EPTI can't find liquibets in this newfangled layout or I would have voted Soulkeyyyy
[Code S] Grand Finals WCS Korea Season 1 2013 - Page 379
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lichter
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
I can't find liquibets in this newfangled layout or I would have voted Soulkeyyyy | ||
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Dodgin
Canada39254 Posts
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=414614¤tpage=3#44 high five | ||
Zealously
East Gorteau22261 Posts
On June 02 2013 12:28 Dodgin wrote: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=414614¤tpage=3#44 high five I had you pinned for a hypetrain-er. Glad to be proven wrong, *High five* | ||
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lichter
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
On June 02 2013 12:28 Dodgin wrote: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=414614¤tpage=3#44 high five ha On October 23 2012 01:09 lichter wrote: Back during the hybrid Proleague season, By.Sun and Soulkey were my early two bets to make it big. Edit: It took me 10 minutes to find this post give me some props bitches | ||
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Dodgin
Canada39254 Posts
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Belha
Italy2850 Posts
On June 02 2013 11:10 Shellshock1122 wrote: In case anyone hadn't seen it yet haha I posted it early: Soulkey 4- 3 Innovation. Still, Bogus remains the best player. | ||
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kwankwan
Denmark22 Posts
Not a troll post..just my opinion. Hope there is room for that on TL  | ||
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Dodgin
Canada39254 Posts
On June 02 2013 13:04 kwankwan wrote: Seemed so staged to me, unfortunately. The reactions of the commentators and the reactions and play of both the players. Don't believe any of what I saw today. Not a troll post..just my opinion. Hope there is room for that on TL Did you not see how emotional Soulkey and especially his family were after the win? I could buy your opinion based on Innovation's reaction but not Soulkey's. | ||
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PesteNoire
151 Posts
On June 02 2013 05:58 Radicalness wrote: It's disappointing to basically see only complaining in this thread. That was an incredible series and an incredible comeback. Not every series is going to be filled with 30+ min macro games. That doesn't mean that the series wasn't incredible. you have to be a soulkey nut hugger to call a series with 6 one sided all ins, and 1 colossal blunder leading to a GG an incredible series. The only good things in the whole series was Soulkey's remarkable hellbat drop defense and innovations great multitasking in game 2. Not much for a 7 game series between the 2 best players in the world. | ||
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Confuse
2238 Posts
:D :D grats Soulkey, I never doubted for a moment. Innovation definitely had nerves or something in that last game, to let 3 medivacs fly in after a viking died to mutas in the same area. None the less, SK kept it together. I hope MVP makes a good showing at the finals next week and we get good times. | ||
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Oboeman
Canada3980 Posts
May I ask you to please stop reposting misinformation? Watch the game again if you have to. At 13:43 the pack of mutas comes back from the bottom and aid the 2 mutas that were there to kill the viking. Innovation is aware of this, thus knowing that at that time theres a huge pack of mutas stationed there. He immediately proceeds to pack 3 full medivacs and sending them over pathing through that exact spot. The mutas kill all the medivacs at 14:03. So there is no way he saw them out of position. because less than 30 seconds ago he knew they weren't at the bottom, they were in his main. And he has no reason to presume they have left since barely any time has passed and since he didn't see them going anywhere (since they obviously didn't go anywhere, they were just sitting there). why would the mutalisks stay in the same spot? they never do that, especially not when just hatching. they beeline for the opponents main. the only reason they did stay in the same spot, is because soulkey probably saw the medivacs load up with the units he was saving by burrowing. yes it was a risk to try to make that drop, but not an unreasonable one. it's probably the last and only drop he'd do against the mutalisks. | ||
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LeeDawg
United States1306 Posts
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1raxexpand
United States165 Posts
On June 02 2013 11:09 mikedebo wrote: You mean in the era where pretty much every Zerg except Life was playing that style? Didn't matter, it benefited him regardless. | ||
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boxerfred
Germany8360 Posts
1 Rax 1 Fax 1 Reactor 1 Techlab By addon-switching, you can quickly switch production lines. So, one tank is 150/125 I think - double mine is 150/50. You can't tell me that investing 75 more gas and an additional half minute of production time gives you a "huge disadvantage" or even a "slight disadvantage" in a standard macro game, not even on korean gsl finalists level. ___ I just think that this series resulted in pretty bad-to-watch play (it wasn't actually "bad" or "crappy" games, srsly. they just weren't nice to watch!) because both players had lots of time to prepare and tried to find out tactics that simply a) worked best (2/3 base roach/bane) and b) caught the opponent off guard (12/12, hellbat drops). Now, add the fact that it was a freaking on-television-final with a ton of people watching. So, those thoughts make it easy: huge, beautiful macro games happen when both players go greedy, like double hatch before pool, 3cc and stuff like that. But both players are well known for simply winning in macro games (especially innovation, all that "the 3base neverending stream of units" talk...), and what is the best answer to that, if you want to win? Go allin, the hardest way you can. A plat zerg will probably beat a GM terran (at least in EU or AM) if it's one base bane bust vs. cc first. So a 12/12 kills hatch first if not scouted, and a huge roach/bane allin kills triple CC. So please, if you want a real competition, stop the whining about the games being "crappy" - they simply weren't, each game's tactic was pretty well executed (an exception for game 7 with the drop loss - but it was a pleasure to watch SK taking apart Innovation after that). We all would rather like to see a soccer player do crazy moves and tricks, but instead, he simply passes the ball to the player that is alone in front of that freakin' goal and who can just tick the ball with 10mph to score. Doesn't look good, but it works. | ||
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scott31337
United States2979 Posts
Both played very well, but I smell corruption | ||
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Sandster
United States4054 Posts
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supersoft
Germany3729 Posts
On June 02 2013 18:50 Sandster wrote: Flash mentioned before this series that he thinks he's better than Innovation when he has time to prepare for a long(er) series. I think that really showed here; Innovation's mechanics are flawless but game plan and decision making for the series were questionable. indeed. Everyone called it, that soulkey would go for all-ins... (korean caster predictions for example.) | ||
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Flonomenalz
Nigeria3519 Posts
On June 02 2013 13:04 kwankwan wrote: Seemed so staged to me, unfortunately. The reactions of the commentators and the reactions and play of both the players. Don't believe any of what I saw today. Not a troll post..just my opinion. Hope there is room for that on TL Seemed perfectly natural to me. 3-0, overconfidence by Innovation. Never adjusting because he has never HAD to, tbh, aside from a few rare matches. Then there's the metagame aspect of it, he's thinking "Would SK really all in me 4-5 games IN A ROW?" So 3-1 wasn't much of a shock to him yet, then 3-2 and he started to lose confidence I think. Once it hit 3-3. he had no momentum, and you could see it in his Game 7 play. All that plus SK's reaction and his family's reaction seeming extremely genuine, I can't think it was staged. Innovation just choked. It's happened many times before. What adds to this is that the Korean casters mostly predicted SK to win. That gives it even more credibility to me. Sure, the fan base was mostly in favour of Innovation, but if the true gosu minds are largely giving SK the edge, there's meaning behind that. | ||
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Algis
Netherlands86 Posts
On June 02 2013 14:55 boxerfred wrote: I still don't get the idea of leaving tanks out of ZvT. Call me stupid, but with the removal of the upgrade of siege mode it should have become even easier and cheaper to play tanks. Let's compare: 1 Rax 1 Fax 1 Reactor 1 Techlab By addon-switching, you can quickly switch production lines. So, one tank is 150/125 I think - double mine is 150/50. You can't tell me that investing 75 more gas and an additional half minute of production time gives you a "huge disadvantage" or even a "slight disadvantage" in a standard macro game, not even on korean gsl finalists level. If you are talking about early game, they do use that first techlab for stim, right? Not that getting a tank early is a bad idea, just saying that u oversimplified it. | ||
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greenknight999
69 Posts
On June 02 2013 16:36 scott31337 wrote: Grats to Soulkey - very nice torrent of the games if you missed them. Both played very well, but I smell corruption I thought the same, something just didn't feel right about the nature of the mistakes innovation was making in the later series. It was almost like he was dangling his balls in front of soulkey and begging to lose. I'm saying this as someone who had innovation desktop backgrounds etc in the run up to the match, but there's just something about this I didn't like and it wasn't coming from Soulkey's side. However one swallow does not make a summer, just something to be attentive to in the future. The real finals is the global season finals so I'm looking forward to that, hopefully the games will be more competitive and I think we're more likely to see soulkey and Innovation playing at their best this time around. | ||
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