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packrat386
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States5077 Posts
June 02 2013 12:30 GMT
#7581
On June 02 2013 02:41 opterown wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 02 2013 02:37 Zealously wrote:
I don't understand why anyone would ever go to bed when a Bo7 is at 3-0 when players like Life, Squirtle (and now Soulkey) exist. Do you want to miss comebacks?

yeah but it was 3-0 pretty one-sided bad games


the same is pretty true of mvp vs squirtle in season 2. I didn't think the games were bad either time, but I had a bunch of friends over and was actually starting to think of other shit to do since squirtle looked so shaken.
dreaming of a sunny day
lichter
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
June 02 2013 13:00 GMT
#7582
People think it was a suspicious throw because Innovation played bad

But not when Soulkey played like shit

Yeah.
AdministratorYOU MUST HEED MY INSTRUCTIONS TAKE OFF YOUR THIIIINGS
Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
June 02 2013 13:06 GMT
#7583
On June 02 2013 22:00 lichter wrote:
People think it was a suspicious throw because Innovation played bad

But not when Soulkey played like shit

Yeah.


But Soulkey isn't the BEST PLAYER OF ALL TIME
AdministratorBreak the chains
boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-02 13:12:33
June 02 2013 13:12 GMT
#7584
On June 02 2013 19:24 Algis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 02 2013 14:55 boxerfred wrote:
I still don't get the idea of leaving tanks out of ZvT. Call me stupid, but with the removal of the upgrade of siege mode it should have become even easier and cheaper to play tanks. Let's compare:

1 Rax
1 Fax
1 Reactor
1 Techlab

By addon-switching, you can quickly switch production lines.

So, one tank is 150/125 I think - double mine is 150/50.

You can't tell me that investing 75 more gas and an additional half minute of production time gives you a "huge disadvantage" or even a "slight disadvantage" in a standard macro game, not even on korean gsl finalists level.



If you are talking about early game, they do use that first techlab for stim, right? Not that getting a tank early is a bad idea, just saying that u oversimplified it.



That might be, yep. But the metagame will probably figure out those timing, people were delaying stim for combat shield pushes, so why shouldn't they do it for a tank if they scout 2base play? When it's fully situated roach/bane pressure as in game 4(or 5? not sure), you should have the time to delay stim for a tank (yeah, oversimplifying again ).
boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
June 02 2013 13:14 GMT
#7585
On June 02 2013 22:06 Zealously wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 02 2013 22:00 lichter wrote:
People think it was a suspicious throw because Innovation played bad

But not when Soulkey played like shit

Yeah.


But Soulkey isn't the BEST PLAYER OF ALL TIME




I really thought the Soulkey vs. sOs series was scripted or something because of the teamkill. I have never ever seen so many so bad games from pro gamers. I'm not sure about that, because I'm not really into those theories.
lichter
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
June 02 2013 13:53 GMT
#7586
On June 02 2013 22:14 boxerfred wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 02 2013 22:06 Zealously wrote:
On June 02 2013 22:00 lichter wrote:
People think it was a suspicious throw because Innovation played bad

But not when Soulkey played like shit

Yeah.


But Soulkey isn't the BEST PLAYER OF ALL TIME




I really thought the Soulkey vs. sOs series was scripted or something because of the teamkill. I have never ever seen so many so bad games from pro gamers. I'm not sure about that, because I'm not really into those theories.


Team kills usually end up being stupid games because they know each others' strategies/weaknesses/preferences, practice with each other and prepare builds with each other.
AdministratorYOU MUST HEED MY INSTRUCTIONS TAKE OFF YOUR THIIIINGS
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
June 02 2013 13:54 GMT
#7587
On June 02 2013 22:53 lichter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 02 2013 22:14 boxerfred wrote:
On June 02 2013 22:06 Zealously wrote:
On June 02 2013 22:00 lichter wrote:
People think it was a suspicious throw because Innovation played bad

But not when Soulkey played like shit

Yeah.


But Soulkey isn't the BEST PLAYER OF ALL TIME




I really thought the Soulkey vs. sOs series was scripted or something because of the teamkill. I have never ever seen so many so bad games from pro gamers. I'm not sure about that, because I'm not really into those theories.


Team kills usually end up being stupid games because they know each others' strategies/weaknesses/preferences, practice with each other and prepare builds with each other.

ganzi vs. taeja in code A was pretty cool haha
ModeratorRetired LR Bonjwa
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ObeseHydra
Profile Joined March 2013
Brazil196 Posts
June 02 2013 13:55 GMT
#7588
No one would be saying this staged bullshit if Innovation have won, cause he's Terran (and people are still traumatized by WOL patchzerg dominance), almost everyone on TL was betting on him and he's "the best rts player of all time".

Is that dificult to acept bad decision making and momentum shift? And Soulkey must be a hell of an actor for showing that emotion after taking the finals, don't he? Just give him the Oscar along with the trophy!

It was a good series. Not the best (by far!) skillwise, but very thrilling.
Flonomenalz
Profile Joined May 2011
Nigeria3519 Posts
June 02 2013 13:59 GMT
#7589
On June 02 2013 22:06 Zealously wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 02 2013 22:00 lichter wrote:
People think it was a suspicious throw because Innovation played bad

But not when Soulkey played like shit

Yeah.


But Soulkey isn't the BEST PLAYER OF ALL TIME

Best RTS* PLAYER OF ALL TIME
I love crazymoving
NightOfTheDead
Profile Joined August 2009
Lithuania1711 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-02 14:17:28
June 02 2013 14:13 GMT
#7590
After rewatching the game 7. Status after Innovation lost 3 medivacs:
Innovation 136 supply, 77 SCV, 20 rines, 8 mines, 3 marauders, 4 medivacs
Soulkey 150 supply, 80 drones, 60 zerglings, 11 mutas, 12 banes
3 base vs 4 base.

Innovation lost momentum, lost map control, but not the game. It was very difficult spot to be in, but it still was doable. Also those mines killed all those zerglings very soon after.
Sewi
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Germany1697 Posts
June 02 2013 15:25 GMT
#7591
On June 02 2013 23:13 NightOfTheDead wrote:
After rewatching the game 7. Status after Innovation lost 3 medivacs:
Innovation 136 supply, 77 SCV, 20 rines, 8 mines, 3 marauders, 4 medivacs
Soulkey 150 supply, 80 drones, 60 zerglings, 11 mutas, 12 banes
3 base vs 4 base.

Innovation lost momentum, lost map control, but not the game. It was very difficult spot to be in, but it still was doable. Also those mines killed all those zerglings very soon after.


I think the main problem was that Innovation had nothing in his main to defend the mutas and didnt repair his 3rd.
It seemed he wasn't sure were to defend and therefor lost his main AND his third at the same time.
After that, he had no production and no income left.
The reason why the drop was such a fail (imo), is that he could have had these units defending his 3rd easily while his MM defend the main. Or they could have saved some time for Innovation to build turrets in his main...
"Well, things were going ok until he lost all his stuff" - Tasteless, 17.02.2016
Prince_Stranger
Profile Joined November 2010
Kazakhstan762 Posts
June 02 2013 15:41 GMT
#7592
Soulkey won. He is the champion!
Why everyone is constantly analyzing the same things again and again?
Everyone expected Innovation to be winner and now so sad that trying to find all mistakes in his game.
I expected Soulkey 4 - 0 and was curious that it was only 4 - 3.
He is great, macro monster.
Soulkey is the champion!
"To all eSports fans, I want to be remembered as a progamer who can make something out of nothing, and someone who always does his best. I think that is the right way of living, and I'm always doing my best to follow that." - Jaedong
Zenbrez
Profile Joined June 2012
Canada5973 Posts
June 02 2013 15:44 GMT
#7593
On June 02 2013 23:13 NightOfTheDead wrote:
After rewatching the game 7. Status after Innovation lost 3 medivacs:
Innovation 136 supply, 77 SCV, 20 rines, 8 mines, 3 marauders, 4 medivacs
Soulkey 150 supply, 80 drones, 60 zerglings, 11 mutas, 12 banes
3 base vs 4 base.

Innovation lost momentum, lost map control, but not the game. It was very difficult spot to be in, but it still was doable. Also those mines killed all those zerglings very soon after.

Considering that Soulkey attacked immediately after he took out the medivacs (to capitalize on the opportunity), and that's when he started doing massive amounts of damage that very quickly led to his victory, I would certainly say losing those medivacs lost him the game.
Refer to my post.
Sewi
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Germany1697 Posts
June 02 2013 16:05 GMT
#7594
On June 03 2013 00:41 Prince_Stranger wrote:
Soulkey won. He is the champion!
Why everyone is constantly analyzing the same things again and again?
Everyone expected Innovation to be winner and now so sad that trying to find all mistakes in his game.
I expected Soulkey 4 - 0 and was curious that it was only 4 - 3.
He is great, macro monster.
Soulkey is the champion!


Why do you read and write on a forum based website if you don't like people to write there?
LR threads are there to discuss and analyze the games.
Oh wait, the favourite lost, let's all stop talking about anything and allow only people to say "SK is great, he is the champion, he won, he is the champion" I am sure, people will understand the game and gamechanging situations better from such analysis
"Well, things were going ok until he lost all his stuff" - Tasteless, 17.02.2016
Prince_Stranger
Profile Joined November 2010
Kazakhstan762 Posts
June 02 2013 17:11 GMT
#7595
On June 03 2013 01:05 Sewi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 03 2013 00:41 Prince_Stranger wrote:
Soulkey won. He is the champion!
Why everyone is constantly analyzing the same things again and again?
Everyone expected Innovation to be winner and now so sad that trying to find all mistakes in his game.
I expected Soulkey 4 - 0 and was curious that it was only 4 - 3.
He is great, macro monster.
Soulkey is the champion!


Why do you read and write on a forum based website if you don't like people to write there?
LR threads are there to discuss and analyze the games.
Oh wait, the favourite lost, let's all stop talking about anything and allow only people to say "SK is great, he is the champion, he won, he is the champion" I am sure, people will understand the game and gamechanging situations better from such analysis

I just think that if Innovation had won this, people wouldn't talk about Soulkey's mistake so much.
"To all eSports fans, I want to be remembered as a progamer who can make something out of nothing, and someone who always does his best. I think that is the right way of living, and I'm always doing my best to follow that." - Jaedong
Gorlin
Profile Joined November 2010
United States2753 Posts
June 02 2013 17:56 GMT
#7596
On June 02 2013 22:54 opterown wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 02 2013 22:53 lichter wrote:
On June 02 2013 22:14 boxerfred wrote:
On June 02 2013 22:06 Zealously wrote:
On June 02 2013 22:00 lichter wrote:
People think it was a suspicious throw because Innovation played bad

But not when Soulkey played like shit

Yeah.


But Soulkey isn't the BEST PLAYER OF ALL TIME




I really thought the Soulkey vs. sOs series was scripted or something because of the teamkill. I have never ever seen so many so bad games from pro gamers. I'm not sure about that, because I'm not really into those theories.


Team kills usually end up being stupid games because they know each others' strategies/weaknesses/preferences, practice with each other and prepare builds with each other.

ganzi vs. taeja in code A was pretty cool haha

Wow throwback, yeah that was awesome. Man, Ganzi vs MKP after that was actually a pretty incredible final in my opinion. A ton of crazy games, and that game 7 on Metalopolis was one of the craaaaaaaaaziest games I had ever seen. Insanely back and forth, ~30 minute game where both players were essentially on one base the whole time. I don't think the supply for either player ever got over 100. Was so sik.
Sewi
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Germany1697 Posts
June 02 2013 18:18 GMT
#7597
On June 03 2013 02:11 Prince_Stranger wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 03 2013 01:05 Sewi wrote:
On June 03 2013 00:41 Prince_Stranger wrote:
Soulkey won. He is the champion!
Why everyone is constantly analyzing the same things again and again?
Everyone expected Innovation to be winner and now so sad that trying to find all mistakes in his game.
I expected Soulkey 4 - 0 and was curious that it was only 4 - 3.
He is great, macro monster.
Soulkey is the champion!


Why do you read and write on a forum based website if you don't like people to write there?
LR threads are there to discuss and analyze the games.
Oh wait, the favourite lost, let's all stop talking about anything and allow only people to say "SK is great, he is the champion, he won, he is the champion" I am sure, people will understand the game and gamechanging situations better from such analysis

I just think that if Innovation had won this, people wouldn't talk about Soulkey's mistake so much.


Yes, I actually agree. But I don't think it's a problem. People wonder why the favourite didn't win and try to find out. If the underdog loses people just say that he is the lesser player. Not much to analyze there.
Although a lot of people are QQing in LR threads, I don't think analyzing mistakes is part of any kind of QQ.
"Well, things were going ok until he lost all his stuff" - Tasteless, 17.02.2016
-Kaiser-
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
Canada932 Posts
June 02 2013 18:19 GMT
#7598
On June 02 2013 14:46 1raxexpand wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 02 2013 11:09 mikedebo wrote:
On June 02 2013 10:53 Enel wrote:
On June 02 2013 07:15 Emzeeshady wrote:
Ya, I checked

Life is undefeated in BO7 since TSL4

4-3 Mvp
4-0 Taeja (extended series)
4-2 Flash (extended series)
4-3 Leenock
4-2 Parting
4-3 DRG
4-2 Flash

Mvp unparalleled in BO7s my ass :p


Well, Life did that in the famous BL-festor era.


You mean in the era where pretty much every Zerg except Life was playing that style?

Didn't matter, it benefited him regardless.


Ahahaha, the most brickheadedly determined balance wine.

"BL-Infestor was OP when Life won those games."
"But Life never went BL-Infestor."
"That's what gave him an advantage!"
3 Hatch Before Cool
Account252508
Profile Joined February 2012
3454 Posts
June 02 2013 19:47 GMT
#7599
--- Nuked ---
Sumahi
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Guam5609 Posts
June 02 2013 19:50 GMT
#7600
Way to go Soulkey! I'm really looking forward to the VODs!
Startale <3, ST_July <3, HongUn <3, Savior <3, Gretorp <3, Nada <3, Rainbow <3, Ret <3, Squirtle <3, Bomber <3
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