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Cayman Islands24199 Posts
creating hype to sell a product is pretty standard. no need to get caught up
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On June 02 2013 08:20 BlazeFury01 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2013 07:55 TheProphet_ wrote:On June 02 2013 07:34 BigFan wrote:On June 02 2013 07:03 MCXD wrote:On June 02 2013 07:02 BigFan wrote:On June 02 2013 06:55 Holgerius wrote:On June 02 2013 06:32 Shellshock1122 wrote:
He just beat the #1 RTS player in the history of ever! That's you being a troll, right?  It was said by Tastosis, must be true! They say that about every GSL runner-up. lol I know. Was meant as a joke thus the at the end On June 02 2013 07:15 TheProphet_ wrote:
This needs to be investigated. Innovation sends 3 full medivacs, an amount he doesnt usually drop with, to a location where he knew there was a huge pack of mutas waiting since he had seen it with a viking less than 30 seconds earlier. even thought afterburners regenerate quickly he doesnt have it since he had used it just before, even thought he knew he was dropping in the most dangerous spot on the map.
I could swallow the first 3 wins by soulkey but on game 7 it looks like they are going in a macro game and the usual scenari of innovation macroing out with window mines vs ling bane muta is going to happen. but instead he throws away 3 full medivacs and loses. he would have lost to anyone after that mistake, even to any random person on the ladder. how anti climatic. no. Please stop claiming that it was set up or something. Facts are Innovation was breaking down at this point and made a mistake. I'm a big fan of Innovation but even I can see he started getting desperate and making a lot of mistakes once SK grabbed those two wins to make a game 6, thus the 2 rax. Mistakes happen, so please stop trying to make it seem like Innovation purposely lost those medivacs to give SK the game. It takes away from SK's accomplishment and tarnishes Innovation's name! Edit: Also, since you watched the game, you would know that Innovation's hellbat drop did some damage but not enough and he was falling behind as time passed. He decided on a doom drop to try and inflict enough damage to get back into the game but he misjudged the mutas position. That's not really what i said. I'll admit its more likely that it wasn't setup than that it was. It definitely could've just been a nervous breakdown. However it just raises a red flag for me that he would do an unusual 3 medivac drop, without afterburner support going in the main base, pathing through a spot where he knew there were about 20 mutas 30 seconds ago. Either way if it really wasn't setup nothing wrong would happen. I'm saying just have a look into it, couldn't hurt right? Not trying to take away from SK. He deserves a lot of credit for going 0-3 and still having the mental fortitude to fight his way back. Like I said its game 7 that bothers me not the others. Show nested quote +On June 01 2013 18:39 BlazeFury01 wrote:On June 01 2013 18:36 Defacer wrote:
Innovation couldn't adapt to the roach baneling-all in, gambled on a practiced cheese, and had a brain fart in game 7.If he hadn't flown those 3 dropships into those mutas the game would have been completely different.
I still think Innovation might be the better player, but I think losing a 3-0 lead rattled him a bit. And you have to give Soulkey credit for hanging in there and not buckling under the pressure. It's easy to say, after the fact. Soulkey mind gamed Innovation hard to bait those 3 Medivac. Soulkeys mutalisk were on the bottom right side of the map and it appeared that he was going straight for Innovations main base. Seeing Soulkeys mutalisk out of position, Innovation went for the 3 Medivac drop and didn't anticipate that Soulkeys mutalisk would be waiting there. It wasn't a brain fart at all, just a misread from being mind game.
May I ask you to please stop reposting misinformation?
Watch the game again if you have to. At 13:43 the pack of mutas comes back from the bottom and aid the 2 mutas that were there to kill the viking. Innovation is aware of this, thus knowing that at that time theres a huge pack of mutas stationed there. He immediately proceeds to pack 3 full medivacs and sending them over pathing through that exact spot. The mutas kill all the medivacs at 14:03.
So there is no way he saw them out of position. because less than 30 seconds ago he knew they weren't at the bottom, they were in his main. And he has no reason to presume they have left since barely any time has passed and since he didn't see them going anywhere (since they obviously didn't go anywhere, they were just sitting there).
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If flash is the one you practice with, you win! Anyway sk was nervous from the start game 2 was his easy, but he threw and game three was just retarded. I would bet a lot on sk beating innovation in most bo7s he is better at defending all ins and his macro is just as good. SK> Innovation/ Flash> Innovation. This will be much clearer as time goes on. Oh and Rain is also a BOSS!!!
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Innovation will win WCS Season 1 finals making up for his colossal failure here.
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On June 02 2013 09:35 affect wrote:
If flash is thew one you practice with you win! !
He never had any doubts.
![[image loading]](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v417/toolmonkey/flun.jpg)
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On June 02 2013 09:28 TheProphet_ wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2013 08:20 BlazeFury01 wrote:On June 02 2013 07:55 TheProphet_ wrote:On June 02 2013 07:34 BigFan wrote:On June 02 2013 07:03 MCXD wrote:On June 02 2013 07:02 BigFan wrote:On June 02 2013 06:55 Holgerius wrote:On June 02 2013 06:32 Shellshock1122 wrote:
He just beat the #1 RTS player in the history of ever! That's you being a troll, right? It was said by Tastosis, must be true! They say that about every GSL runner-up. lol I know. Was meant as a joke thus the at the end On June 02 2013 07:15 TheProphet_ wrote:
This needs to be investigated. Innovation sends 3 full medivacs, an amount he doesnt usually drop with, to a location where he knew there was a huge pack of mutas waiting since he had seen it with a viking less than 30 seconds earlier. even thought afterburners regenerate quickly he doesnt have it since he had used it just before, even thought he knew he was dropping in the most dangerous spot on the map.
I could swallow the first 3 wins by soulkey but on game 7 it looks like they are going in a macro game and the usual scenari of innovation macroing out with window mines vs ling bane muta is going to happen. but instead he throws away 3 full medivacs and loses. he would have lost to anyone after that mistake, even to any random person on the ladder. how anti climatic. no. Please stop claiming that it was set up or something. Facts are Innovation was breaking down at this point and made a mistake. I'm a big fan of Innovation but even I can see he started getting desperate and making a lot of mistakes once SK grabbed those two wins to make a game 6, thus the 2 rax. Mistakes happen, so please stop trying to make it seem like Innovation purposely lost those medivacs to give SK the game. It takes away from SK's accomplishment and tarnishes Innovation's name! Edit: Also, since you watched the game, you would know that Innovation's hellbat drop did some damage but not enough and he was falling behind as time passed. He decided on a doom drop to try and inflict enough damage to get back into the game but he misjudged the mutas position. That's not really what i said. I'll admit its more likely that it wasn't setup than that it was. It definitely could've just been a nervous breakdown. However it just raises a red flag for me that he would do an unusual 3 medivac drop, without afterburner support going in the main base, pathing through a spot where he knew there were about 20 mutas 30 seconds ago. Either way if it really wasn't setup nothing wrong would happen. I'm saying just have a look into it, couldn't hurt right? Not trying to take away from SK. He deserves a lot of credit for going 0-3 and still having the mental fortitude to fight his way back. Like I said its game 7 that bothers me not the others. On June 01 2013 18:39 BlazeFury01 wrote:On June 01 2013 18:36 Defacer wrote:
Innovation couldn't adapt to the roach baneling-all in, gambled on a practiced cheese, and had a brain fart in game 7.If he hadn't flown those 3 dropships into those mutas the game would have been completely different.
I still think Innovation might be the better player, but I think losing a 3-0 lead rattled him a bit. And you have to give Soulkey credit for hanging in there and not buckling under the pressure. It's easy to say, after the fact. Soulkey mind gamed Innovation hard to bait those 3 Medivac. Soulkeys mutalisk were on the bottom right side of the map and it appeared that he was going straight for Innovations main base. Seeing Soulkeys mutalisk out of position, Innovation went for the 3 Medivac drop and didn't anticipate that Soulkeys mutalisk would be waiting there. It wasn't a brain fart at all, just a misread from being mind game. May I ask you to please stop reposting misinformation? Watch the game again if you have to. At 13:43 the pack of mutas comes back from the bottom and aid the 2 mutas that were there to kill the viking. Innovation is aware of this, thus knowing that at that time theres a huge pack of mutas stationed there. He immediately proceeds to pack 3 full medivacs and sending them over pathing through that exact spot. The mutas kill all the medivacs at 14:03. So there is no way he saw them out of position. because less than 30 seconds ago he knew they weren't at the bottom, they were in his main. And he has no reason to presume they have left since barely any time has passed and since he didn't see them going anywhere (since they obviously didn't go anywhere, they were just sitting there).
Yeah, because playing game 7 of your first finals ever is the same thing as sitting at home watching it. He was under extreme pressure which he hadn't encountered before and made a huge blunder. That's it.
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On June 02 2013 05:23 Bagration wrote:
STX Terrans :\
First Last, now Innovation.
OMG thanks for the reminder! MC beating last in the OSL was the last time I remember something like this happening!
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Well... Some players just aren't meant to be champions. Innovation had everything his way, yet he lost... Is this the best Terran around?... This player has no soul.
Credits to Soulkey for winning, but this was Innovation's GSL to lose, what a shame
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On June 02 2013 10:39 Havik_ wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2013 05:23 Bagration wrote:
STX Terrans :\
First Last, now Innovation. OMG thanks for the reminder! MC beating last in the OSL was the last time I remember something like this happening!
Last was the first to get reverse-swept in a Bo7 in SC2 LAN tournaments, going 3-0 then 3-4 against Rain in the OSL semis. He then did it again in the next set he played against MC in the 3rd place match, going 3-0 then 3-4. Unless he does something huge with his career, he'll be forever known as a choker.
DRG got reverse swept from 3-0 to 3-4 by Life at Iron Squid 2 finals, and now Innovation by Soulkey.
STX Terrans man...
Woongjin is really dominating though, winning WCS KR, finishing 1st place in the regular season in PL. Strongest team in the world right now.
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On June 02 2013 10:14 GolemMadness wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2013 09:28 TheProphet_ wrote:On June 02 2013 08:20 BlazeFury01 wrote:On June 02 2013 07:55 TheProphet_ wrote:On June 02 2013 07:34 BigFan wrote:On June 02 2013 07:03 MCXD wrote:On June 02 2013 07:02 BigFan wrote:On June 02 2013 06:55 Holgerius wrote:On June 02 2013 06:32 Shellshock1122 wrote:
He just beat the #1 RTS player in the history of ever! That's you being a troll, right? It was said by Tastosis, must be true! They say that about every GSL runner-up. lol I know. Was meant as a joke thus the at the end On June 02 2013 07:15 TheProphet_ wrote:
This needs to be investigated. Innovation sends 3 full medivacs, an amount he doesnt usually drop with, to a location where he knew there was a huge pack of mutas waiting since he had seen it with a viking less than 30 seconds earlier. even thought afterburners regenerate quickly he doesnt have it since he had used it just before, even thought he knew he was dropping in the most dangerous spot on the map.
I could swallow the first 3 wins by soulkey but on game 7 it looks like they are going in a macro game and the usual scenari of innovation macroing out with window mines vs ling bane muta is going to happen. but instead he throws away 3 full medivacs and loses. he would have lost to anyone after that mistake, even to any random person on the ladder. how anti climatic. no. Please stop claiming that it was set up or something. Facts are Innovation was breaking down at this point and made a mistake. I'm a big fan of Innovation but even I can see he started getting desperate and making a lot of mistakes once SK grabbed those two wins to make a game 6, thus the 2 rax. Mistakes happen, so please stop trying to make it seem like Innovation purposely lost those medivacs to give SK the game. It takes away from SK's accomplishment and tarnishes Innovation's name! Edit: Also, since you watched the game, you would know that Innovation's hellbat drop did some damage but not enough and he was falling behind as time passed. He decided on a doom drop to try and inflict enough damage to get back into the game but he misjudged the mutas position. That's not really what i said. I'll admit its more likely that it wasn't setup than that it was. It definitely could've just been a nervous breakdown. However it just raises a red flag for me that he would do an unusual 3 medivac drop, without afterburner support going in the main base, pathing through a spot where he knew there were about 20 mutas 30 seconds ago. Either way if it really wasn't setup nothing wrong would happen. I'm saying just have a look into it, couldn't hurt right? Not trying to take away from SK. He deserves a lot of credit for going 0-3 and still having the mental fortitude to fight his way back. Like I said its game 7 that bothers me not the others. On June 01 2013 18:39 BlazeFury01 wrote:On June 01 2013 18:36 Defacer wrote:
Innovation couldn't adapt to the roach baneling-all in, gambled on a practiced cheese, and had a brain fart in game 7.If he hadn't flown those 3 dropships into those mutas the game would have been completely different.
I still think Innovation might be the better player, but I think losing a 3-0 lead rattled him a bit. And you have to give Soulkey credit for hanging in there and not buckling under the pressure. It's easy to say, after the fact. Soulkey mind gamed Innovation hard to bait those 3 Medivac. Soulkeys mutalisk were on the bottom right side of the map and it appeared that he was going straight for Innovations main base. Seeing Soulkeys mutalisk out of position, Innovation went for the 3 Medivac drop and didn't anticipate that Soulkeys mutalisk would be waiting there. It wasn't a brain fart at all, just a misread from being mind game. May I ask you to please stop reposting misinformation? Watch the game again if you have to. At 13:43 the pack of mutas comes back from the bottom and aid the 2 mutas that were there to kill the viking. Innovation is aware of this, thus knowing that at that time theres a huge pack of mutas stationed there. He immediately proceeds to pack 3 full medivacs and sending them over pathing through that exact spot. The mutas kill all the medivacs at 14:03. So there is no way he saw them out of position. because less than 30 seconds ago he knew they weren't at the bottom, they were in his main. And he has no reason to presume they have left since barely any time has passed and since he didn't see them going anywhere (since they obviously didn't go anywhere, they were just sitting there). Yeah, because playing game 7 of your first finals ever is the same thing as sitting at home watching it. He was under extreme pressure which he hadn't encountered before and made a huge blunder. That's it.
He is correct that it wasnt really a mindgame from soulkey, just lots of luck and a severe miscalculation from innovation.
I thought innovation wouldve had this series. I predicted a 4-2 with him losing to some baneling all ins, but never would I imagine him losing to it 3 times in a row. Too greedy in skipping tanks every game and that eventually led to him losing focus and dropping the series.
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On June 02 2013 07:15 Emzeeshady wrote:
Ya, I checked
Life is undefeated in BO7 since TSL4
4-3 Mvp
4-0 Taeja (extended series)
4-2 Flash (extended series)
4-3 Leenock
4-2 Parting
4-3 DRG
4-2 Flash
Mvp unparalleled in BO7s my ass :p
Well, Life did that in the famous BL-festor era.
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On June 02 2013 09:28 TheProphet_ wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2013 08:20 BlazeFury01 wrote:On June 02 2013 07:55 TheProphet_ wrote:On June 02 2013 07:34 BigFan wrote:On June 02 2013 07:03 MCXD wrote:On June 02 2013 07:02 BigFan wrote:On June 02 2013 06:55 Holgerius wrote:On June 02 2013 06:32 Shellshock1122 wrote:
He just beat the #1 RTS player in the history of ever! That's you being a troll, right? It was said by Tastosis, must be true! They say that about every GSL runner-up. lol I know. Was meant as a joke thus the at the end On June 02 2013 07:15 TheProphet_ wrote:
This needs to be investigated. Innovation sends 3 full medivacs, an amount he doesnt usually drop with, to a location where he knew there was a huge pack of mutas waiting since he had seen it with a viking less than 30 seconds earlier. even thought afterburners regenerate quickly he doesnt have it since he had used it just before, even thought he knew he was dropping in the most dangerous spot on the map.
I could swallow the first 3 wins by soulkey but on game 7 it looks like they are going in a macro game and the usual scenari of innovation macroing out with window mines vs ling bane muta is going to happen. but instead he throws away 3 full medivacs and loses. he would have lost to anyone after that mistake, even to any random person on the ladder. how anti climatic. no. Please stop claiming that it was set up or something. Facts are Innovation was breaking down at this point and made a mistake. I'm a big fan of Innovation but even I can see he started getting desperate and making a lot of mistakes once SK grabbed those two wins to make a game 6, thus the 2 rax. Mistakes happen, so please stop trying to make it seem like Innovation purposely lost those medivacs to give SK the game. It takes away from SK's accomplishment and tarnishes Innovation's name! Edit: Also, since you watched the game, you would know that Innovation's hellbat drop did some damage but not enough and he was falling behind as time passed. He decided on a doom drop to try and inflict enough damage to get back into the game but he misjudged the mutas position. That's not really what i said. I'll admit its more likely that it wasn't setup than that it was. It definitely could've just been a nervous breakdown. However it just raises a red flag for me that he would do an unusual 3 medivac drop, without afterburner support going in the main base, pathing through a spot where he knew there were about 20 mutas 30 seconds ago. Either way if it really wasn't setup nothing wrong would happen. I'm saying just have a look into it, couldn't hurt right? Not trying to take away from SK. He deserves a lot of credit for going 0-3 and still having the mental fortitude to fight his way back. Like I said its game 7 that bothers me not the others. On June 01 2013 18:39 BlazeFury01 wrote:On June 01 2013 18:36 Defacer wrote:
Innovation couldn't adapt to the roach baneling-all in, gambled on a practiced cheese, and had a brain fart in game 7.If he hadn't flown those 3 dropships into those mutas the game would have been completely different.
I still think Innovation might be the better player, but I think losing a 3-0 lead rattled him a bit. And you have to give Soulkey credit for hanging in there and not buckling under the pressure. It's easy to say, after the fact. Soulkey mind gamed Innovation hard to bait those 3 Medivac. Soulkeys mutalisk were on the bottom right side of the map and it appeared that he was going straight for Innovations main base. Seeing Soulkeys mutalisk out of position, Innovation went for the 3 Medivac drop and didn't anticipate that Soulkeys mutalisk would be waiting there. It wasn't a brain fart at all, just a misread from being mind game. May I ask you to please stop reposting misinformation? Watch the game again if you have to. At 13:43 the pack of mutas comes back from the bottom and aid the 2 mutas that were there to kill the viking. Innovation is aware of this, thus knowing that at that time theres a huge pack of mutas stationed there. He immediately proceeds to pack 3 full medivacs and sending them over pathing through that exact spot. The mutas kill all the medivacs at 14:03. So there is no way he saw them out of position. because less than 30 seconds ago he knew they weren't at the bottom, they were in his main. And he has no reason to presume they have left since barely any time has passed and since he didn't see them going anywhere (since they obviously didn't go anywhere, they were just sitting there).
I re-watched the video. You're right about my original post (I was thinking about two different scenarios in the game) but wrong with your follow up. Innovation didn't see the huge pack of Mutalisk. Otherwise he would have pulled his Viking back when it started attacking two of the Mutalisk. His attention was on the roach at his third base. In other words, Innovation had no idea about Soulkeys mutalisk. Just because Tasteless said Innovation saw it and we as observers saw it, doesn't mean that Innovation did.
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On June 02 2013 09:54 Teeky wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2013 09:35 affect wrote:
If flash is thew one you practice with you win! ! He never had any doubts.
I can see Flash having this exact face as Soulkey was making his comeback.
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Holy shit, i did not expect soulkey to turn that series around after watching the first 3 games.
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On June 02 2013 10:53 Enel wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2013 07:15 Emzeeshady wrote:
Ya, I checked
Life is undefeated in BO7 since TSL4
4-3 Mvp
4-0 Taeja (extended series)
4-2 Flash (extended series)
4-3 Leenock
4-2 Parting
4-3 DRG
4-2 Flash
Mvp unparalleled in BO7s my ass :p Well, Life did that in the famous BL-festor era.
You mean in the era where pretty much every Zerg except Life was playing that style?
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United States97276 Posts
In case anyone hadn't seen it yet
![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/liquibet2/showgraph.php?liquibet=557)
haha
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Innovation will win in the grand slam of WCS. Mark my word
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East Gorteau22261 Posts
On June 02 2013 10:53 Enel wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2013 07:15 Emzeeshady wrote:
Ya, I checked
Life is undefeated in BO7 since TSL4
4-3 Mvp
4-0 Taeja (extended series)
4-2 Flash (extended series)
4-3 Leenock
4-2 Parting
4-3 DRG
4-2 Flash
Mvp unparalleled in BO7s my ass :p Well, Life did that in the famous BL-festor era.
The only series out of those 7 where Life used a lot of BL/Infestor was against Mvp, who tailored a style to counter his ling-heavy aggressive style. Against all the others, he played his preferred, more mobile style.
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1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
On June 02 2013 11:10 Shellshock1122 wrote:In case anyone hadn't seen it yet haha
Koreans > Foreigners, even in liquibets 
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East Gorteau22261 Posts
On June 02 2013 12:20 lichter wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2013 11:10 Shellshock1122 wrote:In case anyone hadn't seen it yet haha Koreans > Foreigners, even in liquibets
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/CVVMkpP.png)
Zerg pride
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