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It's disappointing to basically see only complaining in this thread. That was an incredible series and an incredible comeback. Not every series is going to be filled with 30+ min macro games. That doesn't mean that the series wasn't incredible.
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Soulkey showed tremendous talent back in the BW days, I'm very happy for him. 
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On June 02 2013 05:48 1raxexpand wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2013 04:55 Zealously wrote:On June 02 2013 04:49 Emzeeshady wrote:On June 02 2013 04:36 Zealously wrote:On June 02 2013 04:33 BlazeFury01 wrote:On June 02 2013 03:36 NKexquisite wrote:
Really a disappointing finals. I assumed we would see some all-ins, but all-ins and cheeses every game of the series really was disappointing to see in a match-up that was so hyped and had the potential to be one of the greatest finals of all time. Having recently seen some of the pro-league games, and seeing the series split 1-1 in those two pro-league games it seemed like we would get to see some epic macro games, but it really was the opposite.
You can't really blame Soulkey for all-inning vs such greedy builds, especially seeing how innovation refused to change his playstyle to deal with Soulkey's play.
Just me, or does innovation need to take some lessons from Mvp on how to construct a variety of build orders for an extended 7 game series? Seems like it. No, it's just you. If you watched the Innovation vs Symbol series - Then you would have saw that Innovation has a variety of different builds in a BO series. Unfortunately, he didn't choose to play against Soulkey in the same way. I don't think you can argue against Mvp being unparallelled when it comes to best of 7s Edit: Don't get me wrong, obviously Innovation has a repertoir of builds to use in a longer series. The thing Mvp does better than anyone else (aside from Flash, I'd guess) is deciding when and how to use a certain build. He doesn't just have the right build, he uses it in a specific way to give the build an extra advantage. Innovation doesn't have that. What about Life? I don't believe I have ever seen him lose a series larger then a BO3 since Creator beat him in the TSL4 finals. I am probably wrong but can anyone verify that? He hasn't lost a televised Bo5+ since TSL4, that's correct. Me and stuchiu were actually discussing this earlier and I don't think Life is actually that good when it comes to preparation. Obviously he's smart enough to bring a clever build or an anti-meta build on a certain map, but that's not what defines him in longer series. What he has that no one else, aside from possibly Stephano who is known for giving zero fucks, is his almost unbreakable attitude. Life's been down 0-3 to DRG, 0-2 to Flash, 0-2 to Parting, 2-3 to Mvp and 1-3 to Leenock, yet he keeps coming back to win. He might be superior in skill, but he doesn't necessarily play better (when in a finals), he just doesn't care if he's down. He could probably be down 0-11 and still come back to win the series. No other player has that - we saw Innovation tilt today as Soulkey gradually clawed his way back into the series back, we've seen other players choke and play far below their abilities when down in a series; Life doesn't let that get to him, he plays without choking in tough spots and that's what I consider his greatest asset. In some cases, his ability to remain clutch in tight spots might make his opponents choke instead - imagine playing against a guy, you're on the verge of beating him and yet he sits back, chugs a Red Bull and looks silly while waiting for the next game to start. If you're a player with a weaker mentality, something like that might actually get to you despite being in the lead. On June 02 2013 04:55 BlazeFury01 wrote:On June 02 2013 04:49 Emzeeshady wrote:On June 02 2013 04:36 Zealously wrote:On June 02 2013 04:33 BlazeFury01 wrote:On June 02 2013 03:36 NKexquisite wrote:
Really a disappointing finals. I assumed we would see some all-ins, but all-ins and cheeses every game of the series really was disappointing to see in a match-up that was so hyped and had the potential to be one of the greatest finals of all time. Having recently seen some of the pro-league games, and seeing the series split 1-1 in those two pro-league games it seemed like we would get to see some epic macro games, but it really was the opposite.
You can't really blame Soulkey for all-inning vs such greedy builds, especially seeing how innovation refused to change his playstyle to deal with Soulkey's play.
Just me, or does innovation need to take some lessons from Mvp on how to construct a variety of build orders for an extended 7 game series? Seems like it. No, it's just you. If you watched the Innovation vs Symbol series - Then you would have saw that Innovation has a variety of different builds in a BO series. Unfortunately, he didn't choose to play against Soulkey in the same way. I don't think you can argue against Mvp being unparallelled when it comes to best of 7s Edit: Don't get me wrong, obviously Innovation has a repertoir of builds to use in a longer series. The thing Mvp does better than anyone else (aside from Flash, I'd guess) is deciding when and how to use a certain build. He doesn't just have the right build, he uses it in a specific way to give the build an extra advantage. Innovation doesn't have that. What about Life? I don't believe I have ever seen him lose a series larger then a BO3 since Creator beat him in the TSL4 finals. I am probably wrong but can anyone verify that? It was Life who beat MVP in a BO7 series which counter argues that MVP is unparalleled in BO7. If anyone should know that, it would be Zealously -- check out his sig. You don't understand what I'm saying. I'm not saying Mvp is unbeatable in a Bo7, I'm saying his ability to prepare is unparallelled. Obviously Life shits all over Mvp, but that doesn't mean he's better when it comes to preparation; not even close. 4-3 is harldly shits all over, esp when he got bl/infestor
Right now, Life would destroy Mvp easily.
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On June 02 2013 05:58 Radicalness wrote:
It's disappointing to basically see only complaining in this thread. That was an incredible series and an incredible comeback. Not every series is going to be filled with 30+ min macro games. That doesn't mean that the series wasn't incredible.
Games were fucking awesome. All-ins, but still well executed all-ins, or well-executed defenses. Like Soulkkey using roaches to zone out hellions from killing slow-banes. Or the way Innovation held after all those lings made into his base and took out the reactor on his factory.
Oh and the way Innovation pulled SCVs to repair bunker at the natural was beautiful. Completely denied Soulkey from getting a base-trade. It's impressive given the fact that he was also controlling an army towards Soulkey's side of the map. It was a beautiful prediction and an astute map-awareness.
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On June 02 2013 06:05 FakeDeath wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2013 05:48 1raxexpand wrote:On June 02 2013 04:55 Zealously wrote:On June 02 2013 04:49 Emzeeshady wrote:On June 02 2013 04:36 Zealously wrote:On June 02 2013 04:33 BlazeFury01 wrote:On June 02 2013 03:36 NKexquisite wrote:
Really a disappointing finals. I assumed we would see some all-ins, but all-ins and cheeses every game of the series really was disappointing to see in a match-up that was so hyped and had the potential to be one of the greatest finals of all time. Having recently seen some of the pro-league games, and seeing the series split 1-1 in those two pro-league games it seemed like we would get to see some epic macro games, but it really was the opposite.
You can't really blame Soulkey for all-inning vs such greedy builds, especially seeing how innovation refused to change his playstyle to deal with Soulkey's play.
Just me, or does innovation need to take some lessons from Mvp on how to construct a variety of build orders for an extended 7 game series? Seems like it. No, it's just you. If you watched the Innovation vs Symbol series - Then you would have saw that Innovation has a variety of different builds in a BO series. Unfortunately, he didn't choose to play against Soulkey in the same way. I don't think you can argue against Mvp being unparallelled when it comes to best of 7s Edit: Don't get me wrong, obviously Innovation has a repertoir of builds to use in a longer series. The thing Mvp does better than anyone else (aside from Flash, I'd guess) is deciding when and how to use a certain build. He doesn't just have the right build, he uses it in a specific way to give the build an extra advantage. Innovation doesn't have that. What about Life? I don't believe I have ever seen him lose a series larger then a BO3 since Creator beat him in the TSL4 finals. I am probably wrong but can anyone verify that? He hasn't lost a televised Bo5+ since TSL4, that's correct. Me and stuchiu were actually discussing this earlier and I don't think Life is actually that good when it comes to preparation. Obviously he's smart enough to bring a clever build or an anti-meta build on a certain map, but that's not what defines him in longer series. What he has that no one else, aside from possibly Stephano who is known for giving zero fucks, is his almost unbreakable attitude. Life's been down 0-3 to DRG, 0-2 to Flash, 0-2 to Parting, 2-3 to Mvp and 1-3 to Leenock, yet he keeps coming back to win. He might be superior in skill, but he doesn't necessarily play better (when in a finals), he just doesn't care if he's down. He could probably be down 0-11 and still come back to win the series. No other player has that - we saw Innovation tilt today as Soulkey gradually clawed his way back into the series back, we've seen other players choke and play far below their abilities when down in a series; Life doesn't let that get to him, he plays without choking in tough spots and that's what I consider his greatest asset. In some cases, his ability to remain clutch in tight spots might make his opponents choke instead - imagine playing against a guy, you're on the verge of beating him and yet he sits back, chugs a Red Bull and looks silly while waiting for the next game to start. If you're a player with a weaker mentality, something like that might actually get to you despite being in the lead. On June 02 2013 04:55 BlazeFury01 wrote:On June 02 2013 04:49 Emzeeshady wrote:On June 02 2013 04:36 Zealously wrote:On June 02 2013 04:33 BlazeFury01 wrote:On June 02 2013 03:36 NKexquisite wrote:
Really a disappointing finals. I assumed we would see some all-ins, but all-ins and cheeses every game of the series really was disappointing to see in a match-up that was so hyped and had the potential to be one of the greatest finals of all time. Having recently seen some of the pro-league games, and seeing the series split 1-1 in those two pro-league games it seemed like we would get to see some epic macro games, but it really was the opposite.
You can't really blame Soulkey for all-inning vs such greedy builds, especially seeing how innovation refused to change his playstyle to deal with Soulkey's play.
Just me, or does innovation need to take some lessons from Mvp on how to construct a variety of build orders for an extended 7 game series? Seems like it. No, it's just you. If you watched the Innovation vs Symbol series - Then you would have saw that Innovation has a variety of different builds in a BO series. Unfortunately, he didn't choose to play against Soulkey in the same way. I don't think you can argue against Mvp being unparallelled when it comes to best of 7s Edit: Don't get me wrong, obviously Innovation has a repertoir of builds to use in a longer series. The thing Mvp does better than anyone else (aside from Flash, I'd guess) is deciding when and how to use a certain build. He doesn't just have the right build, he uses it in a specific way to give the build an extra advantage. Innovation doesn't have that. What about Life? I don't believe I have ever seen him lose a series larger then a BO3 since Creator beat him in the TSL4 finals. I am probably wrong but can anyone verify that? It was Life who beat MVP in a BO7 series which counter argues that MVP is unparalleled in BO7. If anyone should know that, it would be Zealously -- check out his sig. You don't understand what I'm saying. I'm not saying Mvp is unbeatable in a Bo7, I'm saying his ability to prepare is unparallelled. Obviously Life shits all over Mvp, but that doesn't mean he's better when it comes to preparation; not even close. 4-3 is harldly shits all over, esp when he got bl/infestor Right now, Life would destroy Mvp easily.
We'll see that at the season finals, oh wait.
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On June 02 2013 06:12 1raxexpand wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2013 06:05 FakeDeath wrote:On June 02 2013 05:48 1raxexpand wrote:On June 02 2013 04:55 Zealously wrote:On June 02 2013 04:49 Emzeeshady wrote:On June 02 2013 04:36 Zealously wrote:On June 02 2013 04:33 BlazeFury01 wrote:On June 02 2013 03:36 NKexquisite wrote:
Really a disappointing finals. I assumed we would see some all-ins, but all-ins and cheeses every game of the series really was disappointing to see in a match-up that was so hyped and had the potential to be one of the greatest finals of all time. Having recently seen some of the pro-league games, and seeing the series split 1-1 in those two pro-league games it seemed like we would get to see some epic macro games, but it really was the opposite.
You can't really blame Soulkey for all-inning vs such greedy builds, especially seeing how innovation refused to change his playstyle to deal with Soulkey's play.
Just me, or does innovation need to take some lessons from Mvp on how to construct a variety of build orders for an extended 7 game series? Seems like it. No, it's just you. If you watched the Innovation vs Symbol series - Then you would have saw that Innovation has a variety of different builds in a BO series. Unfortunately, he didn't choose to play against Soulkey in the same way. I don't think you can argue against Mvp being unparallelled when it comes to best of 7s Edit: Don't get me wrong, obviously Innovation has a repertoir of builds to use in a longer series. The thing Mvp does better than anyone else (aside from Flash, I'd guess) is deciding when and how to use a certain build. He doesn't just have the right build, he uses it in a specific way to give the build an extra advantage. Innovation doesn't have that. What about Life? I don't believe I have ever seen him lose a series larger then a BO3 since Creator beat him in the TSL4 finals. I am probably wrong but can anyone verify that? He hasn't lost a televised Bo5+ since TSL4, that's correct. Me and stuchiu were actually discussing this earlier and I don't think Life is actually that good when it comes to preparation. Obviously he's smart enough to bring a clever build or an anti-meta build on a certain map, but that's not what defines him in longer series. What he has that no one else, aside from possibly Stephano who is known for giving zero fucks, is his almost unbreakable attitude. Life's been down 0-3 to DRG, 0-2 to Flash, 0-2 to Parting, 2-3 to Mvp and 1-3 to Leenock, yet he keeps coming back to win. He might be superior in skill, but he doesn't necessarily play better (when in a finals), he just doesn't care if he's down. He could probably be down 0-11 and still come back to win the series. No other player has that - we saw Innovation tilt today as Soulkey gradually clawed his way back into the series back, we've seen other players choke and play far below their abilities when down in a series; Life doesn't let that get to him, he plays without choking in tough spots and that's what I consider his greatest asset. In some cases, his ability to remain clutch in tight spots might make his opponents choke instead - imagine playing against a guy, you're on the verge of beating him and yet he sits back, chugs a Red Bull and looks silly while waiting for the next game to start. If you're a player with a weaker mentality, something like that might actually get to you despite being in the lead. On June 02 2013 04:55 BlazeFury01 wrote:On June 02 2013 04:49 Emzeeshady wrote:On June 02 2013 04:36 Zealously wrote:On June 02 2013 04:33 BlazeFury01 wrote:On June 02 2013 03:36 NKexquisite wrote:
Really a disappointing finals. I assumed we would see some all-ins, but all-ins and cheeses every game of the series really was disappointing to see in a match-up that was so hyped and had the potential to be one of the greatest finals of all time. Having recently seen some of the pro-league games, and seeing the series split 1-1 in those two pro-league games it seemed like we would get to see some epic macro games, but it really was the opposite.
You can't really blame Soulkey for all-inning vs such greedy builds, especially seeing how innovation refused to change his playstyle to deal with Soulkey's play.
Just me, or does innovation need to take some lessons from Mvp on how to construct a variety of build orders for an extended 7 game series? Seems like it. No, it's just you. If you watched the Innovation vs Symbol series - Then you would have saw that Innovation has a variety of different builds in a BO series. Unfortunately, he didn't choose to play against Soulkey in the same way. I don't think you can argue against Mvp being unparallelled when it comes to best of 7s Edit: Don't get me wrong, obviously Innovation has a repertoir of builds to use in a longer series. The thing Mvp does better than anyone else (aside from Flash, I'd guess) is deciding when and how to use a certain build. He doesn't just have the right build, he uses it in a specific way to give the build an extra advantage. Innovation doesn't have that. What about Life? I don't believe I have ever seen him lose a series larger then a BO3 since Creator beat him in the TSL4 finals. I am probably wrong but can anyone verify that? It was Life who beat MVP in a BO7 series which counter argues that MVP is unparalleled in BO7. If anyone should know that, it would be Zealously -- check out his sig. You don't understand what I'm saying. I'm not saying Mvp is unbeatable in a Bo7, I'm saying his ability to prepare is unparallelled. Obviously Life shits all over Mvp, but that doesn't mean he's better when it comes to preparation; not even close. 4-3 is harldly shits all over, esp when he got bl/infestor Right now, Life would destroy Mvp easily. We'll see that at the season finals, oh wait.
MVP wouldn't be able to last 5 seconds in the group of death of WCS Korea brah ;p
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It's disappointing how often multi-map KvK matches are often cheesefests and/or metagamey and boring.
I'm really not looking forward to the complete fall of the ESF players.
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On June 02 2013 06:05 FakeDeath wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2013 05:48 1raxexpand wrote:On June 02 2013 04:55 Zealously wrote:On June 02 2013 04:49 Emzeeshady wrote:On June 02 2013 04:36 Zealously wrote:On June 02 2013 04:33 BlazeFury01 wrote:On June 02 2013 03:36 NKexquisite wrote:
Really a disappointing finals. I assumed we would see some all-ins, but all-ins and cheeses every game of the series really was disappointing to see in a match-up that was so hyped and had the potential to be one of the greatest finals of all time. Having recently seen some of the pro-league games, and seeing the series split 1-1 in those two pro-league games it seemed like we would get to see some epic macro games, but it really was the opposite.
You can't really blame Soulkey for all-inning vs such greedy builds, especially seeing how innovation refused to change his playstyle to deal with Soulkey's play.
Just me, or does innovation need to take some lessons from Mvp on how to construct a variety of build orders for an extended 7 game series? Seems like it. No, it's just you. If you watched the Innovation vs Symbol series - Then you would have saw that Innovation has a variety of different builds in a BO series. Unfortunately, he didn't choose to play against Soulkey in the same way. I don't think you can argue against Mvp being unparallelled when it comes to best of 7s Edit: Don't get me wrong, obviously Innovation has a repertoir of builds to use in a longer series. The thing Mvp does better than anyone else (aside from Flash, I'd guess) is deciding when and how to use a certain build. He doesn't just have the right build, he uses it in a specific way to give the build an extra advantage. Innovation doesn't have that. What about Life? I don't believe I have ever seen him lose a series larger then a BO3 since Creator beat him in the TSL4 finals. I am probably wrong but can anyone verify that? He hasn't lost a televised Bo5+ since TSL4, that's correct. Me and stuchiu were actually discussing this earlier and I don't think Life is actually that good when it comes to preparation. Obviously he's smart enough to bring a clever build or an anti-meta build on a certain map, but that's not what defines him in longer series. What he has that no one else, aside from possibly Stephano who is known for giving zero fucks, is his almost unbreakable attitude. Life's been down 0-3 to DRG, 0-2 to Flash, 0-2 to Parting, 2-3 to Mvp and 1-3 to Leenock, yet he keeps coming back to win. He might be superior in skill, but he doesn't necessarily play better (when in a finals), he just doesn't care if he's down. He could probably be down 0-11 and still come back to win the series. No other player has that - we saw Innovation tilt today as Soulkey gradually clawed his way back into the series back, we've seen other players choke and play far below their abilities when down in a series; Life doesn't let that get to him, he plays without choking in tough spots and that's what I consider his greatest asset. In some cases, his ability to remain clutch in tight spots might make his opponents choke instead - imagine playing against a guy, you're on the verge of beating him and yet he sits back, chugs a Red Bull and looks silly while waiting for the next game to start. If you're a player with a weaker mentality, something like that might actually get to you despite being in the lead. On June 02 2013 04:55 BlazeFury01 wrote:On June 02 2013 04:49 Emzeeshady wrote:On June 02 2013 04:36 Zealously wrote:On June 02 2013 04:33 BlazeFury01 wrote:On June 02 2013 03:36 NKexquisite wrote:
Really a disappointing finals. I assumed we would see some all-ins, but all-ins and cheeses every game of the series really was disappointing to see in a match-up that was so hyped and had the potential to be one of the greatest finals of all time. Having recently seen some of the pro-league games, and seeing the series split 1-1 in those two pro-league games it seemed like we would get to see some epic macro games, but it really was the opposite.
You can't really blame Soulkey for all-inning vs such greedy builds, especially seeing how innovation refused to change his playstyle to deal with Soulkey's play.
Just me, or does innovation need to take some lessons from Mvp on how to construct a variety of build orders for an extended 7 game series? Seems like it. No, it's just you. If you watched the Innovation vs Symbol series - Then you would have saw that Innovation has a variety of different builds in a BO series. Unfortunately, he didn't choose to play against Soulkey in the same way. I don't think you can argue against Mvp being unparallelled when it comes to best of 7s Edit: Don't get me wrong, obviously Innovation has a repertoir of builds to use in a longer series. The thing Mvp does better than anyone else (aside from Flash, I'd guess) is deciding when and how to use a certain build. He doesn't just have the right build, he uses it in a specific way to give the build an extra advantage. Innovation doesn't have that. What about Life? I don't believe I have ever seen him lose a series larger then a BO3 since Creator beat him in the TSL4 finals. I am probably wrong but can anyone verify that? It was Life who beat MVP in a BO7 series which counter argues that MVP is unparalleled in BO7. If anyone should know that, it would be Zealously -- check out his sig. You don't understand what I'm saying. I'm not saying Mvp is unbeatable in a Bo7, I'm saying his ability to prepare is unparallelled. Obviously Life shits all over Mvp, but that doesn't mean he's better when it comes to preparation; not even close. 4-3 is harldly shits all over, esp when he got bl/infestor Right now, Life would destroy Mvp easily.
I would agree with you if MKP didn't almost beat Life in a set in the GSL. But after seeing that, anything's possible.
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On June 02 2013 06:22 MCXD wrote:
It's disappointing how often multi-map KvK matches are often cheesefests and/or metagamey and boring.
I'm really not looking forward to the complete fall of the ESF players.
Evidently, someone doesn't watch pro league. K players also add cheese to their arsenal to add unpredictability to their play because they know that their K opponent has extensively studied their play-style.
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On June 02 2013 06:24 BlazeFury01 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2013 06:22 MCXD wrote:
It's disappointing how often multi-map KvK matches are often cheesefests and/or metagamey and boring.
I'm really not looking forward to the complete fall of the ESF players. Someone obviously doesn't watch pro league. K players also add cheese to their arsenal to add unpredictability to their play because they know that their K opponent has extensively studied their play-style.
That's why I said multi-map.
And not all are anyway. Just a much higher proportion than in EvE or EvK.
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On June 02 2013 06:23 BlazeFury01 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2013 06:05 FakeDeath wrote:On June 02 2013 05:48 1raxexpand wrote:On June 02 2013 04:55 Zealously wrote:On June 02 2013 04:49 Emzeeshady wrote:On June 02 2013 04:36 Zealously wrote:On June 02 2013 04:33 BlazeFury01 wrote:On June 02 2013 03:36 NKexquisite wrote:
Really a disappointing finals. I assumed we would see some all-ins, but all-ins and cheeses every game of the series really was disappointing to see in a match-up that was so hyped and had the potential to be one of the greatest finals of all time. Having recently seen some of the pro-league games, and seeing the series split 1-1 in those two pro-league games it seemed like we would get to see some epic macro games, but it really was the opposite.
You can't really blame Soulkey for all-inning vs such greedy builds, especially seeing how innovation refused to change his playstyle to deal with Soulkey's play.
Just me, or does innovation need to take some lessons from Mvp on how to construct a variety of build orders for an extended 7 game series? Seems like it. No, it's just you. If you watched the Innovation vs Symbol series - Then you would have saw that Innovation has a variety of different builds in a BO series. Unfortunately, he didn't choose to play against Soulkey in the same way. I don't think you can argue against Mvp being unparallelled when it comes to best of 7s Edit: Don't get me wrong, obviously Innovation has a repertoir of builds to use in a longer series. The thing Mvp does better than anyone else (aside from Flash, I'd guess) is deciding when and how to use a certain build. He doesn't just have the right build, he uses it in a specific way to give the build an extra advantage. Innovation doesn't have that. What about Life? I don't believe I have ever seen him lose a series larger then a BO3 since Creator beat him in the TSL4 finals. I am probably wrong but can anyone verify that? He hasn't lost a televised Bo5+ since TSL4, that's correct. Me and stuchiu were actually discussing this earlier and I don't think Life is actually that good when it comes to preparation. Obviously he's smart enough to bring a clever build or an anti-meta build on a certain map, but that's not what defines him in longer series. What he has that no one else, aside from possibly Stephano who is known for giving zero fucks, is his almost unbreakable attitude. Life's been down 0-3 to DRG, 0-2 to Flash, 0-2 to Parting, 2-3 to Mvp and 1-3 to Leenock, yet he keeps coming back to win. He might be superior in skill, but he doesn't necessarily play better (when in a finals), he just doesn't care if he's down. He could probably be down 0-11 and still come back to win the series. No other player has that - we saw Innovation tilt today as Soulkey gradually clawed his way back into the series back, we've seen other players choke and play far below their abilities when down in a series; Life doesn't let that get to him, he plays without choking in tough spots and that's what I consider his greatest asset. In some cases, his ability to remain clutch in tight spots might make his opponents choke instead - imagine playing against a guy, you're on the verge of beating him and yet he sits back, chugs a Red Bull and looks silly while waiting for the next game to start. If you're a player with a weaker mentality, something like that might actually get to you despite being in the lead. On June 02 2013 04:55 BlazeFury01 wrote:On June 02 2013 04:49 Emzeeshady wrote:On June 02 2013 04:36 Zealously wrote:On June 02 2013 04:33 BlazeFury01 wrote:On June 02 2013 03:36 NKexquisite wrote:
Really a disappointing finals. I assumed we would see some all-ins, but all-ins and cheeses every game of the series really was disappointing to see in a match-up that was so hyped and had the potential to be one of the greatest finals of all time. Having recently seen some of the pro-league games, and seeing the series split 1-1 in those two pro-league games it seemed like we would get to see some epic macro games, but it really was the opposite.
You can't really blame Soulkey for all-inning vs such greedy builds, especially seeing how innovation refused to change his playstyle to deal with Soulkey's play.
Just me, or does innovation need to take some lessons from Mvp on how to construct a variety of build orders for an extended 7 game series? Seems like it. No, it's just you. If you watched the Innovation vs Symbol series - Then you would have saw that Innovation has a variety of different builds in a BO series. Unfortunately, he didn't choose to play against Soulkey in the same way. I don't think you can argue against Mvp being unparallelled when it comes to best of 7s Edit: Don't get me wrong, obviously Innovation has a repertoir of builds to use in a longer series. The thing Mvp does better than anyone else (aside from Flash, I'd guess) is deciding when and how to use a certain build. He doesn't just have the right build, he uses it in a specific way to give the build an extra advantage. Innovation doesn't have that. What about Life? I don't believe I have ever seen him lose a series larger then a BO3 since Creator beat him in the TSL4 finals. I am probably wrong but can anyone verify that? It was Life who beat MVP in a BO7 series which counter argues that MVP is unparalleled in BO7. If anyone should know that, it would be Zealously -- check out his sig. You don't understand what I'm saying. I'm not saying Mvp is unbeatable in a Bo7, I'm saying his ability to prepare is unparallelled. Obviously Life shits all over Mvp, but that doesn't mean he's better when it comes to preparation; not even close. 4-3 is harldly shits all over, esp when he got bl/infestor Right now, Life would destroy Mvp easily. I would agree with you if MKP didn't almost beat Life in a set in the GSL. But after seeing that, anything's possible.
Life still 2-0 MKP.
People forget but Life TvZ is still arguably the best.
He was undefeated in TvZ set(be it Bo3,Bo5,Bo7) back in July 2012-April 2013 to the day Bogus gave him his first defeat.
Go look up his TvZ history.
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On June 02 2013 06:29 MCXD wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2013 06:24 BlazeFury01 wrote:On June 02 2013 06:22 MCXD wrote:
It's disappointing how often multi-map KvK matches are often cheesefests and/or metagamey and boring.
I'm really not looking forward to the complete fall of the ESF players. Someone obviously doesn't watch pro league. K players also add cheese to their arsenal to add unpredictability to their play because they know that their K opponent has extensively studied their play-style. That's why I said multi-map.
You didn't specify "GSL multi-map" which is an ambiguous statement. Pro League is KvK multi-map in both Team and All Kill format.
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On June 02 2013 06:30 FakeDeath wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2013 06:23 BlazeFury01 wrote:On June 02 2013 06:05 FakeDeath wrote:On June 02 2013 05:48 1raxexpand wrote:On June 02 2013 04:55 Zealously wrote:On June 02 2013 04:49 Emzeeshady wrote:On June 02 2013 04:36 Zealously wrote:On June 02 2013 04:33 BlazeFury01 wrote:On June 02 2013 03:36 NKexquisite wrote:
Really a disappointing finals. I assumed we would see some all-ins, but all-ins and cheeses every game of the series really was disappointing to see in a match-up that was so hyped and had the potential to be one of the greatest finals of all time. Having recently seen some of the pro-league games, and seeing the series split 1-1 in those two pro-league games it seemed like we would get to see some epic macro games, but it really was the opposite.
You can't really blame Soulkey for all-inning vs such greedy builds, especially seeing how innovation refused to change his playstyle to deal with Soulkey's play.
Just me, or does innovation need to take some lessons from Mvp on how to construct a variety of build orders for an extended 7 game series? Seems like it. No, it's just you. If you watched the Innovation vs Symbol series - Then you would have saw that Innovation has a variety of different builds in a BO series. Unfortunately, he didn't choose to play against Soulkey in the same way. I don't think you can argue against Mvp being unparallelled when it comes to best of 7s Edit: Don't get me wrong, obviously Innovation has a repertoir of builds to use in a longer series. The thing Mvp does better than anyone else (aside from Flash, I'd guess) is deciding when and how to use a certain build. He doesn't just have the right build, he uses it in a specific way to give the build an extra advantage. Innovation doesn't have that. What about Life? I don't believe I have ever seen him lose a series larger then a BO3 since Creator beat him in the TSL4 finals. I am probably wrong but can anyone verify that? He hasn't lost a televised Bo5+ since TSL4, that's correct. Me and stuchiu were actually discussing this earlier and I don't think Life is actually that good when it comes to preparation. Obviously he's smart enough to bring a clever build or an anti-meta build on a certain map, but that's not what defines him in longer series. What he has that no one else, aside from possibly Stephano who is known for giving zero fucks, is his almost unbreakable attitude. Life's been down 0-3 to DRG, 0-2 to Flash, 0-2 to Parting, 2-3 to Mvp and 1-3 to Leenock, yet he keeps coming back to win. He might be superior in skill, but he doesn't necessarily play better (when in a finals), he just doesn't care if he's down. He could probably be down 0-11 and still come back to win the series. No other player has that - we saw Innovation tilt today as Soulkey gradually clawed his way back into the series back, we've seen other players choke and play far below their abilities when down in a series; Life doesn't let that get to him, he plays without choking in tough spots and that's what I consider his greatest asset. In some cases, his ability to remain clutch in tight spots might make his opponents choke instead - imagine playing against a guy, you're on the verge of beating him and yet he sits back, chugs a Red Bull and looks silly while waiting for the next game to start. If you're a player with a weaker mentality, something like that might actually get to you despite being in the lead. On June 02 2013 04:55 BlazeFury01 wrote:On June 02 2013 04:49 Emzeeshady wrote:On June 02 2013 04:36 Zealously wrote:On June 02 2013 04:33 BlazeFury01 wrote:On June 02 2013 03:36 NKexquisite wrote:
Really a disappointing finals. I assumed we would see some all-ins, but all-ins and cheeses every game of the series really was disappointing to see in a match-up that was so hyped and had the potential to be one of the greatest finals of all time. Having recently seen some of the pro-league games, and seeing the series split 1-1 in those two pro-league games it seemed like we would get to see some epic macro games, but it really was the opposite.
You can't really blame Soulkey for all-inning vs such greedy builds, especially seeing how innovation refused to change his playstyle to deal with Soulkey's play.
Just me, or does innovation need to take some lessons from Mvp on how to construct a variety of build orders for an extended 7 game series? Seems like it. No, it's just you. If you watched the Innovation vs Symbol series - Then you would have saw that Innovation has a variety of different builds in a BO series. Unfortunately, he didn't choose to play against Soulkey in the same way. I don't think you can argue against Mvp being unparallelled when it comes to best of 7s Edit: Don't get me wrong, obviously Innovation has a repertoir of builds to use in a longer series. The thing Mvp does better than anyone else (aside from Flash, I'd guess) is deciding when and how to use a certain build. He doesn't just have the right build, he uses it in a specific way to give the build an extra advantage. Innovation doesn't have that. What about Life? I don't believe I have ever seen him lose a series larger then a BO3 since Creator beat him in the TSL4 finals. I am probably wrong but can anyone verify that? It was Life who beat MVP in a BO7 series which counter argues that MVP is unparalleled in BO7. If anyone should know that, it would be Zealously -- check out his sig. You don't understand what I'm saying. I'm not saying Mvp is unbeatable in a Bo7, I'm saying his ability to prepare is unparallelled. Obviously Life shits all over Mvp, but that doesn't mean he's better when it comes to preparation; not even close. 4-3 is harldly shits all over, esp when he got bl/infestor Right now, Life would destroy Mvp easily. I would agree with you if MKP didn't almost beat Life in a set in the GSL. But after seeing that, anything's possible. Life still 2-0 MKP. People forget but Life TvZ is still arguably the best. He was undefeated in TvZ set(be it Bo3,Bo5,Bo7) back in July 2012-April 2013 to the day Bogus gave him his first defeat. Go look up his TvZ history.
Soulkey #1 ZvT. He just beat the #1 RTS player in the history of ever!
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On June 02 2013 06:32 BlazeFury01 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2013 06:29 MCXD wrote:On June 02 2013 06:24 BlazeFury01 wrote:On June 02 2013 06:22 MCXD wrote:
It's disappointing how often multi-map KvK matches are often cheesefests and/or metagamey and boring.
I'm really not looking forward to the complete fall of the ESF players. Someone obviously doesn't watch pro league. K players also add cheese to their arsenal to add unpredictability to their play because they know that their K opponent has extensively studied their play-style. That's why I said multi-map. You didn't specify "GSL multi-map" which is an ambiguous statement. Pro League is KvK multi-map in both Team and All Kill format.
Well I meant 1v1 bo3s/bo5s/bo7s, yeah.
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On June 02 2013 06:30 FakeDeath wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2013 06:23 BlazeFury01 wrote:On June 02 2013 06:05 FakeDeath wrote:On June 02 2013 05:48 1raxexpand wrote:On June 02 2013 04:55 Zealously wrote:On June 02 2013 04:49 Emzeeshady wrote:On June 02 2013 04:36 Zealously wrote:On June 02 2013 04:33 BlazeFury01 wrote:On June 02 2013 03:36 NKexquisite wrote:
Really a disappointing finals. I assumed we would see some all-ins, but all-ins and cheeses every game of the series really was disappointing to see in a match-up that was so hyped and had the potential to be one of the greatest finals of all time. Having recently seen some of the pro-league games, and seeing the series split 1-1 in those two pro-league games it seemed like we would get to see some epic macro games, but it really was the opposite.
You can't really blame Soulkey for all-inning vs such greedy builds, especially seeing how innovation refused to change his playstyle to deal with Soulkey's play.
Just me, or does innovation need to take some lessons from Mvp on how to construct a variety of build orders for an extended 7 game series? Seems like it. No, it's just you. If you watched the Innovation vs Symbol series - Then you would have saw that Innovation has a variety of different builds in a BO series. Unfortunately, he didn't choose to play against Soulkey in the same way. I don't think you can argue against Mvp being unparallelled when it comes to best of 7s Edit: Don't get me wrong, obviously Innovation has a repertoir of builds to use in a longer series. The thing Mvp does better than anyone else (aside from Flash, I'd guess) is deciding when and how to use a certain build. He doesn't just have the right build, he uses it in a specific way to give the build an extra advantage. Innovation doesn't have that. What about Life? I don't believe I have ever seen him lose a series larger then a BO3 since Creator beat him in the TSL4 finals. I am probably wrong but can anyone verify that? He hasn't lost a televised Bo5+ since TSL4, that's correct. Me and stuchiu were actually discussing this earlier and I don't think Life is actually that good when it comes to preparation. Obviously he's smart enough to bring a clever build or an anti-meta build on a certain map, but that's not what defines him in longer series. What he has that no one else, aside from possibly Stephano who is known for giving zero fucks, is his almost unbreakable attitude. Life's been down 0-3 to DRG, 0-2 to Flash, 0-2 to Parting, 2-3 to Mvp and 1-3 to Leenock, yet he keeps coming back to win. He might be superior in skill, but he doesn't necessarily play better (when in a finals), he just doesn't care if he's down. He could probably be down 0-11 and still come back to win the series. No other player has that - we saw Innovation tilt today as Soulkey gradually clawed his way back into the series back, we've seen other players choke and play far below their abilities when down in a series; Life doesn't let that get to him, he plays without choking in tough spots and that's what I consider his greatest asset. In some cases, his ability to remain clutch in tight spots might make his opponents choke instead - imagine playing against a guy, you're on the verge of beating him and yet he sits back, chugs a Red Bull and looks silly while waiting for the next game to start. If you're a player with a weaker mentality, something like that might actually get to you despite being in the lead. On June 02 2013 04:55 BlazeFury01 wrote:On June 02 2013 04:49 Emzeeshady wrote:On June 02 2013 04:36 Zealously wrote:On June 02 2013 04:33 BlazeFury01 wrote:On June 02 2013 03:36 NKexquisite wrote:
Really a disappointing finals. I assumed we would see some all-ins, but all-ins and cheeses every game of the series really was disappointing to see in a match-up that was so hyped and had the potential to be one of the greatest finals of all time. Having recently seen some of the pro-league games, and seeing the series split 1-1 in those two pro-league games it seemed like we would get to see some epic macro games, but it really was the opposite.
You can't really blame Soulkey for all-inning vs such greedy builds, especially seeing how innovation refused to change his playstyle to deal with Soulkey's play.
Just me, or does innovation need to take some lessons from Mvp on how to construct a variety of build orders for an extended 7 game series? Seems like it. No, it's just you. If you watched the Innovation vs Symbol series - Then you would have saw that Innovation has a variety of different builds in a BO series. Unfortunately, he didn't choose to play against Soulkey in the same way. I don't think you can argue against Mvp being unparallelled when it comes to best of 7s Edit: Don't get me wrong, obviously Innovation has a repertoir of builds to use in a longer series. The thing Mvp does better than anyone else (aside from Flash, I'd guess) is deciding when and how to use a certain build. He doesn't just have the right build, he uses it in a specific way to give the build an extra advantage. Innovation doesn't have that. What about Life? I don't believe I have ever seen him lose a series larger then a BO3 since Creator beat him in the TSL4 finals. I am probably wrong but can anyone verify that? It was Life who beat MVP in a BO7 series which counter argues that MVP is unparalleled in BO7. If anyone should know that, it would be Zealously -- check out his sig. You don't understand what I'm saying. I'm not saying Mvp is unbeatable in a Bo7, I'm saying his ability to prepare is unparallelled. Obviously Life shits all over Mvp, but that doesn't mean he's better when it comes to preparation; not even close. 4-3 is harldly shits all over, esp when he got bl/infestor Right now, Life would destroy Mvp easily. I would agree with you if MKP didn't almost beat Life in a set in the GSL. But after seeing that, anything's possible. Life still 2-0 MKP. People forget but Life TvZ is still arguably the best. He was undefeated in TvZ set(be it Bo3,Bo5,Bo7) back in July 2012-April 2013 to the day Bogus gave him his first defeat. Go look up his TvZ history.
Yes, Life still 2-0ed but the game was down to the wire with one of the most gimmicky players to ever touch SC (I say SC because MKP was also very very gimmicky in BW). You also need to take in consideration that most of Lifes dominance was in WOL where Zerg was overpowered against Terran until the release of HotS. Now that we have a much better balance then before we can see who truly dominates the ZvT match up.
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On June 02 2013 06:17 fartosis77 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2013 06:12 1raxexpand wrote:On June 02 2013 06:05 FakeDeath wrote:On June 02 2013 05:48 1raxexpand wrote:On June 02 2013 04:55 Zealously wrote:On June 02 2013 04:49 Emzeeshady wrote:On June 02 2013 04:36 Zealously wrote:On June 02 2013 04:33 BlazeFury01 wrote:On June 02 2013 03:36 NKexquisite wrote:
Really a disappointing finals. I assumed we would see some all-ins, but all-ins and cheeses every game of the series really was disappointing to see in a match-up that was so hyped and had the potential to be one of the greatest finals of all time. Having recently seen some of the pro-league games, and seeing the series split 1-1 in those two pro-league games it seemed like we would get to see some epic macro games, but it really was the opposite.
You can't really blame Soulkey for all-inning vs such greedy builds, especially seeing how innovation refused to change his playstyle to deal with Soulkey's play.
Just me, or does innovation need to take some lessons from Mvp on how to construct a variety of build orders for an extended 7 game series? Seems like it. No, it's just you. If you watched the Innovation vs Symbol series - Then you would have saw that Innovation has a variety of different builds in a BO series. Unfortunately, he didn't choose to play against Soulkey in the same way. I don't think you can argue against Mvp being unparallelled when it comes to best of 7s Edit: Don't get me wrong, obviously Innovation has a repertoir of builds to use in a longer series. The thing Mvp does better than anyone else (aside from Flash, I'd guess) is deciding when and how to use a certain build. He doesn't just have the right build, he uses it in a specific way to give the build an extra advantage. Innovation doesn't have that. What about Life? I don't believe I have ever seen him lose a series larger then a BO3 since Creator beat him in the TSL4 finals. I am probably wrong but can anyone verify that? He hasn't lost a televised Bo5+ since TSL4, that's correct. Me and stuchiu were actually discussing this earlier and I don't think Life is actually that good when it comes to preparation. Obviously he's smart enough to bring a clever build or an anti-meta build on a certain map, but that's not what defines him in longer series. What he has that no one else, aside from possibly Stephano who is known for giving zero fucks, is his almost unbreakable attitude. Life's been down 0-3 to DRG, 0-2 to Flash, 0-2 to Parting, 2-3 to Mvp and 1-3 to Leenock, yet he keeps coming back to win. He might be superior in skill, but he doesn't necessarily play better (when in a finals), he just doesn't care if he's down. He could probably be down 0-11 and still come back to win the series. No other player has that - we saw Innovation tilt today as Soulkey gradually clawed his way back into the series back, we've seen other players choke and play far below their abilities when down in a series; Life doesn't let that get to him, he plays without choking in tough spots and that's what I consider his greatest asset. In some cases, his ability to remain clutch in tight spots might make his opponents choke instead - imagine playing against a guy, you're on the verge of beating him and yet he sits back, chugs a Red Bull and looks silly while waiting for the next game to start. If you're a player with a weaker mentality, something like that might actually get to you despite being in the lead. On June 02 2013 04:55 BlazeFury01 wrote:On June 02 2013 04:49 Emzeeshady wrote:On June 02 2013 04:36 Zealously wrote:On June 02 2013 04:33 BlazeFury01 wrote:On June 02 2013 03:36 NKexquisite wrote:
Really a disappointing finals. I assumed we would see some all-ins, but all-ins and cheeses every game of the series really was disappointing to see in a match-up that was so hyped and had the potential to be one of the greatest finals of all time. Having recently seen some of the pro-league games, and seeing the series split 1-1 in those two pro-league games it seemed like we would get to see some epic macro games, but it really was the opposite.
You can't really blame Soulkey for all-inning vs such greedy builds, especially seeing how innovation refused to change his playstyle to deal with Soulkey's play.
Just me, or does innovation need to take some lessons from Mvp on how to construct a variety of build orders for an extended 7 game series? Seems like it. No, it's just you. If you watched the Innovation vs Symbol series - Then you would have saw that Innovation has a variety of different builds in a BO series. Unfortunately, he didn't choose to play against Soulkey in the same way. I don't think you can argue against Mvp being unparallelled when it comes to best of 7s Edit: Don't get me wrong, obviously Innovation has a repertoir of builds to use in a longer series. The thing Mvp does better than anyone else (aside from Flash, I'd guess) is deciding when and how to use a certain build. He doesn't just have the right build, he uses it in a specific way to give the build an extra advantage. Innovation doesn't have that. What about Life? I don't believe I have ever seen him lose a series larger then a BO3 since Creator beat him in the TSL4 finals. I am probably wrong but can anyone verify that? It was Life who beat MVP in a BO7 series which counter argues that MVP is unparalleled in BO7. If anyone should know that, it would be Zealously -- check out his sig. You don't understand what I'm saying. I'm not saying Mvp is unbeatable in a Bo7, I'm saying his ability to prepare is unparallelled. Obviously Life shits all over Mvp, but that doesn't mean he's better when it comes to preparation; not even close. 4-3 is harldly shits all over, esp when he got bl/infestor Right now, Life would destroy Mvp easily. We'll see that at the season finals, oh wait. MVP wouldn't be able to last 5 seconds in the group of death of WCS Korea brah ;p
Arguing over hypothetical situation is silly, that's what I meant. The only way for them to meet is both get to the season finals, which Life didn't
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holy fucking shit i looked at the results and my nipples became hard
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On June 02 2013 06:32 Shellshock1122 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2013 06:30 FakeDeath wrote:On June 02 2013 06:23 BlazeFury01 wrote:On June 02 2013 06:05 FakeDeath wrote:On June 02 2013 05:48 1raxexpand wrote:On June 02 2013 04:55 Zealously wrote:On June 02 2013 04:49 Emzeeshady wrote:On June 02 2013 04:36 Zealously wrote:On June 02 2013 04:33 BlazeFury01 wrote:On June 02 2013 03:36 NKexquisite wrote:
Really a disappointing finals. I assumed we would see some all-ins, but all-ins and cheeses every game of the series really was disappointing to see in a match-up that was so hyped and had the potential to be one of the greatest finals of all time. Having recently seen some of the pro-league games, and seeing the series split 1-1 in those two pro-league games it seemed like we would get to see some epic macro games, but it really was the opposite.
You can't really blame Soulkey for all-inning vs such greedy builds, especially seeing how innovation refused to change his playstyle to deal with Soulkey's play.
Just me, or does innovation need to take some lessons from Mvp on how to construct a variety of build orders for an extended 7 game series? Seems like it. No, it's just you. If you watched the Innovation vs Symbol series - Then you would have saw that Innovation has a variety of different builds in a BO series. Unfortunately, he didn't choose to play against Soulkey in the same way. I don't think you can argue against Mvp being unparallelled when it comes to best of 7s Edit: Don't get me wrong, obviously Innovation has a repertoir of builds to use in a longer series. The thing Mvp does better than anyone else (aside from Flash, I'd guess) is deciding when and how to use a certain build. He doesn't just have the right build, he uses it in a specific way to give the build an extra advantage. Innovation doesn't have that. What about Life? I don't believe I have ever seen him lose a series larger then a BO3 since Creator beat him in the TSL4 finals. I am probably wrong but can anyone verify that? He hasn't lost a televised Bo5+ since TSL4, that's correct. Me and stuchiu were actually discussing this earlier and I don't think Life is actually that good when it comes to preparation. Obviously he's smart enough to bring a clever build or an anti-meta build on a certain map, but that's not what defines him in longer series. What he has that no one else, aside from possibly Stephano who is known for giving zero fucks, is his almost unbreakable attitude. Life's been down 0-3 to DRG, 0-2 to Flash, 0-2 to Parting, 2-3 to Mvp and 1-3 to Leenock, yet he keeps coming back to win. He might be superior in skill, but he doesn't necessarily play better (when in a finals), he just doesn't care if he's down. He could probably be down 0-11 and still come back to win the series. No other player has that - we saw Innovation tilt today as Soulkey gradually clawed his way back into the series back, we've seen other players choke and play far below their abilities when down in a series; Life doesn't let that get to him, he plays without choking in tough spots and that's what I consider his greatest asset. In some cases, his ability to remain clutch in tight spots might make his opponents choke instead - imagine playing against a guy, you're on the verge of beating him and yet he sits back, chugs a Red Bull and looks silly while waiting for the next game to start. If you're a player with a weaker mentality, something like that might actually get to you despite being in the lead. On June 02 2013 04:55 BlazeFury01 wrote:On June 02 2013 04:49 Emzeeshady wrote:On June 02 2013 04:36 Zealously wrote:On June 02 2013 04:33 BlazeFury01 wrote:
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No, it's just you. If you watched the Innovation vs Symbol series - Then you would have saw that Innovation has a variety of different builds in a BO series. Unfortunately, he didn't choose to play against Soulkey in the same way. I don't think you can argue against Mvp being unparallelled when it comes to best of 7s Edit: Don't get me wrong, obviously Innovation has a repertoir of builds to use in a longer series. The thing Mvp does better than anyone else (aside from Flash, I'd guess) is deciding when and how to use a certain build. He doesn't just have the right build, he uses it in a specific way to give the build an extra advantage. Innovation doesn't have that. What about Life? I don't believe I have ever seen him lose a series larger then a BO3 since Creator beat him in the TSL4 finals. I am probably wrong but can anyone verify that? It was Life who beat MVP in a BO7 series which counter argues that MVP is unparalleled in BO7. If anyone should know that, it would be Zealously -- check out his sig. You don't understand what I'm saying. I'm not saying Mvp is unbeatable in a Bo7, I'm saying his ability to prepare is unparallelled. Obviously Life shits all over Mvp, but that doesn't mean he's better when it comes to preparation; not even close. 4-3 is harldly shits all over, esp when he got bl/infestor Right now, Life would destroy Mvp easily. I would agree with you if MKP didn't almost beat Life in a set in the GSL. But after seeing that, anything's possible. Life still 2-0 MKP. People forget but Life TvZ is still arguably the best. He was undefeated in TvZ set(be it Bo3,Bo5,Bo7) back in July 2012-April 2013 to the day Bogus gave him his first defeat. Go look up his TvZ history. Soulkey #1 ZvT. He just beat the #1 RTS player in the history of ever!
after being 3-0 ed. Life did not have that chance to comeback.
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