[WCS AM] RO32 Group A Premier Season 1 2013 - Page 20

On May 04 2013 02:44 Fries wrote:
But as far as I know they're not actually coming to the region. Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't the majority playing online then flying over to NA to play the offline matches and then flying back to their usual practice environments with some easy money in their pockets. I do agree with you Tobon that it could get better if it did keep these players within the scene and hopefully if nothing else that happens.

Like DarkLord said, I'm speaking exclusively about raising the level of play outside of Korea. If one of the goals of Blizzard is to help grow E-sports in other regions, I don't see how this does it.

I applaud Blizzard for trying to pump money into the different regions, but in my mind I think it would work best like this:
Blizzard throws in their contribution to the prize-pool evenly distributed like it currently is. That way each region has a sort of "minimum wage" if you will. But don't cut off players in other regions from possibly making even more money. Set that up as a base and allow the prize-pools to grow from there. The region with the most viewers, sponsorships, etc will end up with a bigger prize-pool and that's exactly as it should be. A sort of minor league system develops where players that aren't good enough quite yet for the Korean league come here to play and hopefully make a decent living. When they're a little better they go to EU because there might be more money there and slightly higher competition and Korea is the big leagues.

On May 04 2013 02:44 Type|NarutO wrote:
Not even going to bother arguing with idiots anymore. DELICIOUS TEARS. 24 invites - 8 Koreans qualified - blame Blizzard. Will never understand that logic!

On May 04 2013 03:13 Fries wrote:
My bad assuming that was directed towards me. Although I hesitate to say that AM players don't "deserve" to have that much money. In my opinion the market should drive that.

You know who deserves money? PEOPLE WORKING FOR IT. Do you really believe WCS AM as you wish, would gather half as much viewers as WCS with Koreans involved? You have to be kidding me! I will happily cheer for every player from NA and EU in WCS if they can stand their own ground and show good games. I will on the other hand not credit anyone who begs for money pumped into the scene while trying to cut competition.

You really believe NA skill ceiling does raise when you don't need to raise it and still can win 100k? I don't think so. A good horse jumps as high as needed, not a bit higher. Both scenes, Europe and NA did breed players that were capable of taking down good Koreans - why can't other rise to that level? Do you really believe its because there'S a lacking scene? Because I don't.

I for my part don't watch a single WCS NA game, just because I don't want to support MLG after the major fuckup and I don't support that behaviour.

You know who deserves money? PEOPLE WORKING FOR IT. Do you really believe WCS AM as you wish, would gather half as much viewers as WCS with Koreans involved? You have to be kidding me! I will happily cheer for every player from NA and EU in WCS if they can stand their own ground and show good games. I will on the other hand not credit anyone who begs for money pumped into the scene while trying to cut competition.

You really believe NA skill ceiling does raise when you don't need to raise it and still can win 100k? I don't think so. A good horse jumps as high as needed, not a bit higher. Both scenes, Europe and NA did breed players that were capable of taking down good Koreans - why can't other rise to that level? Do you really believe its because there'S a lacking scene? Because I don't.

I for my part don't watch a single WCS NA game, just because I don't want to support MLG after the major fuckup and I don't support that behaviour.

On May 04 2013 04:15 Fries wrote:


You're putting words in my mouth. I never said WCS NA would have better viewership than WCS Korea, all I said was skill won't necessarily always correlate with who gets paid. It's like that in all walks of life and you may not think it's fair but that's how business works.

I believe that monetary reward would help foster growth in American e-sports, yes. As it becomes more lucrative, people are more accepting of it as a profession and more people are willing to to give it a shot. Do you think Koreans are just naturally born being good at Starcraft? I don't believe that for a second just as I don't believe Americans are born being better than other countries at basketball, a sport they dominated for a loooooong time. I think (and I admit this is an assumption on my part) that there are probably far more young Koreans who aspire to be a professional SC2 gamer than there are in NA.

To me this mentality on how NA players should get better is like taking an amateur tennis player and immediately throwing them up against Rafael Nadal and yelling "HOW COME YOU'RE NOT TRYING HARDER! GET BETTER!" at them as they curl into the fetal position and start crying.

Of course there have been a very few players from the scene who have managed to hold their own against Koreans and I have all the respect in the world for them, but I can't imagine how soul-crushingly hopeless it probably seems to a lot of aspiring SC2 players to think that in order to make almost any significant money you have to be able to beat someone like Oz.

On May 04 2013 04:15 Fries wrote:


To me this mentality on how NA players should get better is like taking an amateur tennis player and immediately throwing them up against Rafael Nadal and yelling "HOW COME YOU'RE NOT TRYING HARDER! GET BETTER!" at them as they curl into the fetal position and start crying.

On May 04 2013 02:46 Type|NarutO wrote:


The region with the highest skill ceiling and quality should have the biggest price pool.