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United States97274 Posts
On May 01 2013 09:55 AgentW wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 09:53 Shellshock1122 wrote: (1393) Apocalypse 0-0 Fenix (1167) ------------------------------------------------- 35.43% 2-0 0-2 16.38% 28.68% 2-1 1-2 19.50% ------------------------------------------------- 64.11% 35.89%
Median outcome: Apocalypse 2-1 Fenix Estimated by Aligulac. Modify. I'm surprised it's not more one-sided. Those numbers seem very generous. It's because apocalypse's w-l is so bad from the amount of Koreans he has played. below 50%
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On May 01 2013 09:50 Derez wrote: Lose overlord, mess up your proxy hatch, fuck up a bling bust, win anyway.
I don't think you are understanding what was happening. He made banelings so he could cost effectively free up supply, so he killed econ instead of saccing roaches for nothing to forcefields. Yea the proxy hatch stuff went worse than last game but it still delayed Mini and clearly NesTea is more comfortable playing from those positions/timings. The toss feels like he needs to go do damage because he made units early to kill the Hatchery, NesTea knows this, produces units to trade cost effectively and then knows the toss can no longer move out for a while so he drones like a mad man. Pretty genius if your opponent is predictable enough.
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On May 01 2013 09:55 Dodgin wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 09:55 eviltomahawk wrote: Mutas are balanced.
Come at me, bros. Mutas > 7 range Phoenixes 56 mutas > 8 7-range Phoenixes
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Northern Ireland23721 Posts
On May 01 2013 09:54 Nebuchad wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 09:52 BeiHuoJingHua wrote:On May 01 2013 09:50 Derez wrote: Lose overlord, mess up your proxy hatch, fuck up a bling bust, win anyway. That's how big the skill difference is between these two.. Exactly. That's why it's bm. Just make a composition that's good vs him and kill him already, you don't have to make cost inefficient trades on purpose just to make a point that you're so much better that you can even beat him with mutas vs double stargate... Is EVERYTHING BM in SC these days?
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Mutas kill both Protoss and WCS stream-->imba
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On May 01 2013 09:56 Shellshock1122 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 09:55 AgentW wrote:On May 01 2013 09:53 Shellshock1122 wrote: (1393) Apocalypse 0-0 Fenix (1167) ------------------------------------------------- 35.43% 2-0 0-2 16.38% 28.68% 2-1 1-2 19.50% ------------------------------------------------- 64.11% 35.89%
Median outcome: Apocalypse 2-1 Fenix Estimated by Aligulac. Modify. I'm surprised it's not more one-sided. Those numbers seem very generous. It's because apocalypse's w-l is so bad from the amount of Koreans he has played. below 50% I'm not the biggest Apoc fan, in fact I don't think he's very good, but if you gave me 2-1 odds on Fenix I'd laugh in your face.
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Nestea made so many mutas it broke the stream!
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On May 01 2013 09:56 JJH777 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 09:54 Nebuchad wrote:On May 01 2013 09:52 BeiHuoJingHua wrote:On May 01 2013 09:50 Derez wrote: Lose overlord, mess up your proxy hatch, fuck up a bling bust, win anyway. That's how big the skill difference is between these two.. Exactly. That's why it's bm. Just make a composition that's good vs him and kill him already, you don't have to make cost inefficient trades on purpose just to make a point that you're so much better that you can even beat him with mutas vs double stargate... Lol Nestea makes inefficient trades all the time it has nothing to do with him being BM. That is the only reason he slumped. Early mid game he has never stopped being one of the absolute best zergs in the game but after that he just throws away gigantic leads with inefficient engagements.
So you're saying it's standard Nestea gameplay for Nestea to waste what, 7-8000 ressources, just so he could win with mutas despite the hard counter?
I mean, I know he did similar in the famous HuK game (where it was obviously BM too), but I never saw him do it any other time.
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On May 01 2013 09:54 Nebuchad wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 09:52 BeiHuoJingHua wrote:On May 01 2013 09:50 Derez wrote: Lose overlord, mess up your proxy hatch, fuck up a bling bust, win anyway. That's how big the skill difference is between these two.. Exactly. That's why it's bm. Just make a composition that's good vs him and kill him already, you don't have to make cost inefficient trades on purpose just to make a point that you're so much better that you can even beat him with mutas vs double stargate...
I don't think he did it on purpose,he is playing in the American "Code S," I very highly doubt he is screwing around when playing online with lag with that much money on the line. He just felt this was more cheese proof, so he couldn't loose to something wonky, which would be the only way minigun could win.
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Remember when idra lost to minigun and it was a big deal? ;p
On May 01 2013 09:59 Topin wrote: i miss gameheart T.T I think this UI is gameheart. And its quite neat.
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On May 01 2013 09:58 Nebuchad wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 09:56 JJH777 wrote:On May 01 2013 09:54 Nebuchad wrote:On May 01 2013 09:52 BeiHuoJingHua wrote:On May 01 2013 09:50 Derez wrote: Lose overlord, mess up your proxy hatch, fuck up a bling bust, win anyway. That's how big the skill difference is between these two.. Exactly. That's why it's bm. Just make a composition that's good vs him and kill him already, you don't have to make cost inefficient trades on purpose just to make a point that you're so much better that you can even beat him with mutas vs double stargate... Lol Nestea makes inefficient trades all the time it has nothing to do with him being BM. That is the only reason he slumped. Early mid game he has never stopped being one of the absolute best zergs in the game but after that he just throws away gigantic leads with inefficient engagements. So you're saying it's standard Nestea gameplay for Nestea to waste what, 7-8000 ressources, just so he could win with mutas despite the hard counter? I mean, I know he did similar in the famous HuK game (where it was obviously BM too), but I never saw him do it any other time.
Does Nestea even know Minigun personally? Nestea isn't out to BM every opponent he plays.
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On May 01 2013 10:00 Emzeeshady wrote:what is gameheart?
A better UI that GSL uses
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On May 01 2013 09:56 Wombat_NI wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 09:54 Nebuchad wrote:On May 01 2013 09:52 BeiHuoJingHua wrote:On May 01 2013 09:50 Derez wrote: Lose overlord, mess up your proxy hatch, fuck up a bling bust, win anyway. That's how big the skill difference is between these two.. Exactly. That's why it's bm. Just make a composition that's good vs him and kill him already, you don't have to make cost inefficient trades on purpose just to make a point that you're so much better that you can even beat him with mutas vs double stargate... Is EVERYTHING BM in SC these days?
i come from fighting games and i don't know how half the people on TL can live life without getting offended.
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On May 01 2013 09:59 Derez wrote:Remember when idra lost to minigun and it was a big deal? ;p I think this UI is gameheart. And its quite neat.
really i think is different.. like de production tab and the hyper zoom out .. well gogo Fenix
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Farther along in the VOD eh?
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On May 01 2013 09:58 Nebuchad wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 09:56 JJH777 wrote:On May 01 2013 09:54 Nebuchad wrote:On May 01 2013 09:52 BeiHuoJingHua wrote:On May 01 2013 09:50 Derez wrote: Lose overlord, mess up your proxy hatch, fuck up a bling bust, win anyway. That's how big the skill difference is between these two.. Exactly. That's why it's bm. Just make a composition that's good vs him and kill him already, you don't have to make cost inefficient trades on purpose just to make a point that you're so much better that you can even beat him with mutas vs double stargate... Lol Nestea makes inefficient trades all the time it has nothing to do with him being BM. That is the only reason he slumped. Early mid game he has never stopped being one of the absolute best zergs in the game but after that he just throws away gigantic leads with inefficient engagements. So you're saying it's standard Nestea gameplay for Nestea to waste what, 7-8000 ressources, just so he could win with mutas despite the hard counter? I mean, I know he did similar in the famous HuK game (where it was obviously BM too), but I never saw him do it any other time.
He's freeing supply to remax on muta. It's pretty standard if it gets to that point of the game yes. You don't just keep a bunch of lings and corrupters if they're going to die.
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On May 01 2013 10:01 Topin wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 09:59 Derez wrote:Remember when idra lost to minigun and it was a big deal? ;p On May 01 2013 09:59 Topin wrote: i miss gameheart T.T I think this UI is gameheart. And its quite neat. really i think is different.. like de production tab and the hyper zoom out .. well gogo Fenix I thought gameheart offers multiple configurations for everything, like the production tab and that the hyper zoom is present but not used.
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