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Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
May 01 2013 00:56 GMT
#201
On May 01 2013 09:55 AgentW wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 01 2013 09:53 Shellshock1122 wrote:
    (1393) Apocalypse  0-0  Fenix (1167)         
-------------------------------------------------
35.43% 2-0 0-2 16.38%
28.68% 2-1 1-2 19.50%
-------------------------------------------------
64.11% 35.89%

Median outcome: Apocalypse 2-1 Fenix
Estimated by Aligulac. Modify.

I'm surprised it's not more one-sided. Those numbers seem very generous.

It's because apocalypse's w-l is so bad from the amount of Koreans he has played. below 50%
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onPHYRE
Profile Joined October 2010
Bulgaria923 Posts
May 01 2013 00:56 GMT
#202
On May 01 2013 09:50 Derez wrote:
Lose overlord, mess up your proxy hatch, fuck up a bling bust, win anyway.


I don't think you are understanding what was happening. He made banelings so he could cost effectively free up supply, so he killed econ instead of saccing roaches for nothing to forcefields. Yea the proxy hatch stuff went worse than last game but it still delayed Mini and clearly NesTea is more comfortable playing from those positions/timings. The toss feels like he needs to go do damage because he made units early to kill the Hatchery, NesTea knows this, produces units to trade cost effectively and then knows the toss can no longer move out for a while so he drones like a mad man. Pretty genius if your opponent is predictable enough.
Livin' this life like it was written.
Clicker
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1012 Posts
May 01 2013 00:56 GMT
#203
On May 01 2013 09:55 Dodgin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 01 2013 09:55 eviltomahawk wrote:
Mutas are balanced.

Come at me, bros.


Mutas > 7 range Phoenixes

56 mutas > 8 7-range Phoenixes
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland26763 Posts
May 01 2013 00:56 GMT
#204
On May 01 2013 09:54 Nebuchad wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 01 2013 09:52 BeiHuoJingHua wrote:
On May 01 2013 09:50 Derez wrote:
Lose overlord, mess up your proxy hatch, fuck up a bling bust, win anyway.


That's how big the skill difference is between these two..


Exactly. That's why it's bm. Just make a composition that's good vs him and kill him already, you don't have to make cost inefficient trades on purpose just to make a point that you're so much better that you can even beat him with mutas vs double stargate...

Is EVERYTHING BM in SC these days?
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
May 01 2013 00:57 GMT
#205
Mutas kill both Protoss and WCS stream-->imba
AgentW
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United States7725 Posts
May 01 2013 00:57 GMT
#206
On May 01 2013 09:56 Shellshock1122 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 01 2013 09:55 AgentW wrote:
On May 01 2013 09:53 Shellshock1122 wrote:
    (1393) Apocalypse  0-0  Fenix (1167)         
-------------------------------------------------
35.43% 2-0 0-2 16.38%
28.68% 2-1 1-2 19.50%
-------------------------------------------------
64.11% 35.89%

Median outcome: Apocalypse 2-1 Fenix
Estimated by Aligulac. Modify.

I'm surprised it's not more one-sided. Those numbers seem very generous.

It's because apocalypse's w-l is so bad from the amount of Koreans he has played. below 50%

I'm not the biggest Apoc fan, in fact I don't think he's very good, but if you gave me 2-1 odds on Fenix I'd laugh in your face.
Who's the bigger scrub, the scrub, or the scrub who loses to him?
Crownlol
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States3726 Posts
May 01 2013 00:57 GMT
#207
Nestea made so many mutas it broke the stream!
shaGuar :: elemeNt :: XeqtR :: naikon :: method
Goolpsy
Profile Joined November 2010
Denmark301 Posts
May 01 2013 00:58 GMT
#208
stream down?
Nebuchad
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Switzerland12453 Posts
May 01 2013 00:58 GMT
#209
On May 01 2013 09:56 JJH777 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 01 2013 09:54 Nebuchad wrote:
On May 01 2013 09:52 BeiHuoJingHua wrote:
On May 01 2013 09:50 Derez wrote:
Lose overlord, mess up your proxy hatch, fuck up a bling bust, win anyway.


That's how big the skill difference is between these two..


Exactly. That's why it's bm. Just make a composition that's good vs him and kill him already, you don't have to make cost inefficient trades on purpose just to make a point that you're so much better that you can even beat him with mutas vs double stargate...


Lol Nestea makes inefficient trades all the time it has nothing to do with him being BM. That is the only reason he slumped. Early mid game he has never stopped being one of the absolute best zergs in the game but after that he just throws away gigantic leads with inefficient engagements.


So you're saying it's standard Nestea gameplay for Nestea to waste what, 7-8000 ressources, just so he could win with mutas despite the hard counter?

I mean, I know he did similar in the famous HuK game (where it was obviously BM too), but I never saw him do it any other time.
No will to live, no wish to die
onPHYRE
Profile Joined October 2010
Bulgaria923 Posts
May 01 2013 00:59 GMT
#210
On May 01 2013 09:54 Nebuchad wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 01 2013 09:52 BeiHuoJingHua wrote:
On May 01 2013 09:50 Derez wrote:
Lose overlord, mess up your proxy hatch, fuck up a bling bust, win anyway.


That's how big the skill difference is between these two..


Exactly. That's why it's bm. Just make a composition that's good vs him and kill him already, you don't have to make cost inefficient trades on purpose just to make a point that you're so much better that you can even beat him with mutas vs double stargate...


I don't think he did it on purpose,he is playing in the American "Code S," I very highly doubt he is screwing around when playing online with lag with that much money on the line. He just felt this was more cheese proof, so he couldn't loose to something wonky, which would be the only way minigun could win.
Livin' this life like it was written.
Topin
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Peru10113 Posts
May 01 2013 00:59 GMT
#211
i miss gameheart T.T
i would define my style between a mix of ByuN, Maru and MKP
Derez
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Netherlands6068 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-01 01:00:17
May 01 2013 00:59 GMT
#212
Remember when idra lost to minigun and it was a big deal? ;p
On May 01 2013 09:59 Topin wrote:
i miss gameheart T.T

I think this UI is gameheart. And its quite neat.
Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
May 01 2013 01:00 GMT
#213
On May 01 2013 09:58 Nebuchad wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 01 2013 09:56 JJH777 wrote:
On May 01 2013 09:54 Nebuchad wrote:
On May 01 2013 09:52 BeiHuoJingHua wrote:
On May 01 2013 09:50 Derez wrote:
Lose overlord, mess up your proxy hatch, fuck up a bling bust, win anyway.


That's how big the skill difference is between these two..


Exactly. That's why it's bm. Just make a composition that's good vs him and kill him already, you don't have to make cost inefficient trades on purpose just to make a point that you're so much better that you can even beat him with mutas vs double stargate...


Lol Nestea makes inefficient trades all the time it has nothing to do with him being BM. That is the only reason he slumped. Early mid game he has never stopped being one of the absolute best zergs in the game but after that he just throws away gigantic leads with inefficient engagements.


So you're saying it's standard Nestea gameplay for Nestea to waste what, 7-8000 ressources, just so he could win with mutas despite the hard counter?

I mean, I know he did similar in the famous HuK game (where it was obviously BM too), but I never saw him do it any other time.


Does Nestea even know Minigun personally? Nestea isn't out to BM every opponent he plays.
Team Slayers, Axiom-Acer and Vile forever
Emzeeshady
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Canada4203 Posts
May 01 2013 01:00 GMT
#214
--- Nuked ---
Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
May 01 2013 01:00 GMT
#215
On May 01 2013 10:00 Emzeeshady wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 01 2013 09:59 Topin wrote:
i miss gameheart T.T

what is gameheart?


A better UI that GSL uses
Team Slayers, Axiom-Acer and Vile forever
suicideyear
Profile Joined December 2012
Ivory Coast3016 Posts
May 01 2013 01:00 GMT
#216
On May 01 2013 09:56 Wombat_NI wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 01 2013 09:54 Nebuchad wrote:
On May 01 2013 09:52 BeiHuoJingHua wrote:
On May 01 2013 09:50 Derez wrote:
Lose overlord, mess up your proxy hatch, fuck up a bling bust, win anyway.


That's how big the skill difference is between these two..


Exactly. That's why it's bm. Just make a composition that's good vs him and kill him already, you don't have to make cost inefficient trades on purpose just to make a point that you're so much better that you can even beat him with mutas vs double stargate...

Is EVERYTHING BM in SC these days?


i come from fighting games and i don't know how half the people on TL can live life without getting offended.
)))____◎◎◎◎█████
Topin
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Peru10113 Posts
May 01 2013 01:01 GMT
#217
On May 01 2013 09:59 Derez wrote:
Remember when idra lost to minigun and it was a big deal? ;p
Show nested quote +
On May 01 2013 09:59 Topin wrote:
i miss gameheart T.T

I think this UI is gameheart. And its quite neat.


really i think is different.. like de production tab and the hyper zoom out .. well gogo Fenix
i would define my style between a mix of ByuN, Maru and MKP
sparklyresidue
Profile Joined August 2011
United States5524 Posts
May 01 2013 01:01 GMT
#218
Farther along in the VOD eh?
Like Tinkerbelle, I leave behind a sparkly residue.
SeaSmoke
Profile Joined July 2010
United States326 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-01 01:02:09
May 01 2013 01:01 GMT
#219
On May 01 2013 09:58 Nebuchad wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 01 2013 09:56 JJH777 wrote:
On May 01 2013 09:54 Nebuchad wrote:
On May 01 2013 09:52 BeiHuoJingHua wrote:
On May 01 2013 09:50 Derez wrote:
Lose overlord, mess up your proxy hatch, fuck up a bling bust, win anyway.


That's how big the skill difference is between these two..


Exactly. That's why it's bm. Just make a composition that's good vs him and kill him already, you don't have to make cost inefficient trades on purpose just to make a point that you're so much better that you can even beat him with mutas vs double stargate...


Lol Nestea makes inefficient trades all the time it has nothing to do with him being BM. That is the only reason he slumped. Early mid game he has never stopped being one of the absolute best zergs in the game but after that he just throws away gigantic leads with inefficient engagements.


So you're saying it's standard Nestea gameplay for Nestea to waste what, 7-8000 ressources, just so he could win with mutas despite the hard counter?

I mean, I know he did similar in the famous HuK game (where it was obviously BM too), but I never saw him do it any other time.


He's freeing supply to remax on muta. It's pretty standard if it gets to that point of the game yes. You don't just keep a bunch of lings and corrupters if they're going to die.
Derez
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Netherlands6068 Posts
May 01 2013 01:02 GMT
#220
On May 01 2013 10:01 Topin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 01 2013 09:59 Derez wrote:
Remember when idra lost to minigun and it was a big deal? ;p
On May 01 2013 09:59 Topin wrote:
i miss gameheart T.T

I think this UI is gameheart. And its quite neat.


really i think is different.. like de production tab and the hyper zoom out .. well gogo Fenix

I thought gameheart offers multiple configurations for everything, like the production tab and that the hyper zoom is present but not used.
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