On May 01 2013 00:23 vultdylan wrote: it was fun doing last nights LR thread, but i had NO idea how complicated it was :x at least for me being dumb with HTML elements and such.
Hoping for Minigun to advance, because I love Chad Jones, but in a group with NesTea and Apocalypse, I doubt it will happen.
You did a good job. Don't worry! It's nice to see more people helping out making these. The learning curve isn't that bad either. I remember being a little flustered doing the first one or two being like oh shit i hope i dont mess up but then after that everything just becomes second nature and really easy to do.
Apocalypse went from mediocre to really strong in the last few weeks. I think he is the favorite to make it through. Minigun has a shot against Nestea, but I still think the Koreans make it.
On May 01 2013 07:12 SoFrOsTy wrote: Has Fenix been practicing? I used to be a fan of his. I hope he is playing hardcore lately. I want to see him do well.
Yeah he's been practicing. He made a post about his return some time ago and keeps going on about how he's training hard with IM.
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Haven't seen NesTea barely at all in HotS. He's probably going to 4-0 the group, but who knows. Most we've got is an 0-3 against Creator way back in the beta, his ladder account (which he may be sharing with the other IM zergs), a 2-1 against DRG that wasn't broadcasted and an 0-2 to Bogus (pretty much every zerg dies to this guy).
I actually ran an Aligulac for Minigun and I sensed a upset, Minigun > Fenix and may upset Apocalypse it was like 55-45 favoring Apoc so we maaaaaay have a miracle.
On May 01 2013 09:04 DeathProfessor wrote: I actually ran an Aligulac for Minigun and I sensed a upset, Minigun > Fenix and may upset Apocalypse it was like 55-45 favoring Apoc so we maaaaaay have a miracle.
On May 01 2013 09:14 Undead1993 wrote: GG ahahah such a fail by nestea
Fail? hardly. Things are back to even now
hmm i am not quite sure but losing 450 minerals for nothing is quite harsh in the early game, if he gets the tumor down it is a completely different story
On May 01 2013 09:14 Undead1993 wrote: GG ahahah such a fail by nestea
Fail? hardly. Things are back to even now
hmm i am not quite sure but losing 450 minerals for nothing is quite harsh in the early game, if he gets the tumor down it is a completely different story
For nothing? Nestea had his third hatch down + speed the same time Minigun was expoing.
On May 01 2013 09:14 Undead1993 wrote: GG ahahah such a fail by nestea
Fail? hardly. Things are back to even now
hmm i am not quite sure but losing 450 minerals for nothing is quite harsh in the early game, if he gets the tumor down it is a completely different story
For nothing? Nestea had his third hatch down + speed the same time Minigun was expoing.
man as i said i don't think minigun was behind after this, i think the try to delay the expansion enough failed, that's my opinion.
On May 01 2013 09:26 F1rstAssau1t wrote: Watching a Korean vs Foreigner game is so damn sad.
I had a lot of fun watching KR vs foreigner during DH.
Kind of wonder if its insulting to Europeans to be labeled with foreigner at this point lol NA only true foreigners =/
Uh considering EU events never have as many koreans as NA events (online or offline) it's not surprising EU players do well in their EU tournaments. You don't see many koreans it's always just a few. Then to flip that there aren't many EU players that go to NA events so yeah... Dunno how people don't see this xD.
On May 01 2013 09:26 F1rstAssau1t wrote: Watching a Korean vs Foreigner game is so damn sad.
I had a lot of fun watching KR vs foreigner during DH.
Kind of wonder if its insulting to Europeans to be labeled with foreigner at this point lol NA only true foreigners =/
Lol, European players are definitely still foreigners. Don't get your hopes up. For every solid EU player, there is probably 50 Korean progamers that are just as good or better.
On May 01 2013 09:26 F1rstAssau1t wrote: Watching a Korean vs Foreigner game is so damn sad.
I had a lot of fun watching KR vs foreigner during DH.
Kind of wonder if its insulting to Europeans to be labeled with foreigner at this point lol NA only true foreigners =/
Uh considering EU events never have as many koreans as NA events (online or offline) it's not surprising EU players do well in their EU tournaments. You don't see many koreans it's always just a few. Then to flip that there aren't many EU players that go to NA events so yeah... Dunno how people don't see this xD.
Hey don't mock naniwa. He beat 1 entire korean :p.
only hope to beat nestea is to take him to hive and wait for him to either move command all his brood lords over your army or build 5 ultralisk caverns for no reason. (this is not impossible as it has happened on more than 1 occasion)
On May 01 2013 09:26 F1rstAssau1t wrote: Watching a Korean vs Foreigner game is so damn sad.
I had a lot of fun watching KR vs foreigner during DH.
Kind of wonder if its insulting to Europeans to be labeled with foreigner at this point lol NA only true foreigners =/
Uh considering EU events never have as many koreans as NA events (online or offline) it's not surprising EU players do well in their EU tournaments. You don't see many koreans it's always just a few. Then to flip that there aren't many EU players that go to NA events so yeah... Dunno how people don't see this xD.
EU just has better players than NA, or at least the top rung of the EU players are a good bit better than their NA counterparts. Looking forward to seeing the next NA breakout player though, the scene really needs it especially with Scarlett on hiatus
omg I can't belief this, when I was seeing the gateway at the 3rd I was hoping for seeing this. and then the Rocks and the Gateway removed each other even. When Nestea rushed into there. (seemed planned even) And the other rocks killed 1 Zerling too ^.^. Great day for Rocks.
Looked like Nestea didn't try very hard, rather sloppy play by him. This is probably enough to get through Ro32, but he will have to show more skill later on.
On May 01 2013 09:51 trudodyr wrote: Looked like Nestea didn't try very hard, rather sloppy play by him. This is probably enough to get through Ro32, but he will have to show more skill later on.
it's early in the morning in SK and he's playing with significant lag KR->NA
don't forget he lost to goody in his prime because of cross-server lag
Storms may have been his only hope.. but still at that many mutas with the new regen and acceleration if NesTea played well he wins regardless. Things went way worse for nestea than last game, so instead of making any roaches/army he knew Minigun would camp on 3 bases until near max so he took advantage of that, had a TON of gas for the 55+ mutas, and with 115 drones, he could make legit 50 spines and be ok.
On May 01 2013 09:46 Nebuchad wrote: that's BM from Nestea honestly
How come? He used a similar style in WOL too, against KR opponents.
not like this :p
This is honestly so fun to watch :p
It actually looked so naturally Nestea like ... getting a ton of drones and then slam banelings into the opponent. I always hated this because it was so risky in my eyes.
Mutas are just as bad IMO, I kinda feel like the old style allowed for more freedom to react to it, Mutas seem more hard to stop and great Zerg can just make like 30 NP on 30 eggs, BL had to morph from Corrupter which at least slowed it down... a bit. They are too fast and too much potential to ruin bases or pick off key units with ease. Just don't like Mutas.
On May 01 2013 09:50 Derez wrote: Lose overlord, mess up your proxy hatch, fuck up a bling bust, win anyway.
That's how big the skill difference is between these two..
Exactly. That's why it's bm. Just make a composition that's good vs him and kill him already, you don't have to make cost inefficient trades on purpose just to make a point that you're so much better that you can even beat him with mutas vs double stargate...
On May 01 2013 09:50 Derez wrote: Lose overlord, mess up your proxy hatch, fuck up a bling bust, win anyway.
That's how big the skill difference is between these two..
Exactly. That's why it's bm. Just make a composition that's good vs him and kill him already, you don't have to make cost inefficient trades on purpose just to make a point that you're so much better that you can even beat him with mutas vs double stargate...
On May 01 2013 09:50 Derez wrote: Lose overlord, mess up your proxy hatch, fuck up a bling bust, win anyway.
That's how big the skill difference is between these two..
Exactly. That's why it's bm. Just make a composition that's good vs him and kill him already, you don't have to make cost inefficient trades on purpose just to make a point that you're so much better that you can even beat him with mutas vs double stargate...
Lol Nestea makes inefficient trades all the time it has nothing to do with him being BM. That is the only reason he slumped. Early mid game he has never stopped being one of the absolute best zergs in the game but after that he just throws away gigantic leads with inefficient engagements.
On May 01 2013 09:50 Derez wrote: Lose overlord, mess up your proxy hatch, fuck up a bling bust, win anyway.
I don't think you are understanding what was happening. He made banelings so he could cost effectively free up supply, so he killed econ instead of saccing roaches for nothing to forcefields. Yea the proxy hatch stuff went worse than last game but it still delayed Mini and clearly NesTea is more comfortable playing from those positions/timings. The toss feels like he needs to go do damage because he made units early to kill the Hatchery, NesTea knows this, produces units to trade cost effectively and then knows the toss can no longer move out for a while so he drones like a mad man. Pretty genius if your opponent is predictable enough.
On May 01 2013 09:50 Derez wrote: Lose overlord, mess up your proxy hatch, fuck up a bling bust, win anyway.
That's how big the skill difference is between these two..
Exactly. That's why it's bm. Just make a composition that's good vs him and kill him already, you don't have to make cost inefficient trades on purpose just to make a point that you're so much better that you can even beat him with mutas vs double stargate...
On May 01 2013 09:50 Derez wrote: Lose overlord, mess up your proxy hatch, fuck up a bling bust, win anyway.
That's how big the skill difference is between these two..
Exactly. That's why it's bm. Just make a composition that's good vs him and kill him already, you don't have to make cost inefficient trades on purpose just to make a point that you're so much better that you can even beat him with mutas vs double stargate...
Lol Nestea makes inefficient trades all the time it has nothing to do with him being BM. That is the only reason he slumped. Early mid game he has never stopped being one of the absolute best zergs in the game but after that he just throws away gigantic leads with inefficient engagements.
So you're saying it's standard Nestea gameplay for Nestea to waste what, 7-8000 ressources, just so he could win with mutas despite the hard counter?
I mean, I know he did similar in the famous HuK game (where it was obviously BM too), but I never saw him do it any other time.
On May 01 2013 09:50 Derez wrote: Lose overlord, mess up your proxy hatch, fuck up a bling bust, win anyway.
That's how big the skill difference is between these two..
Exactly. That's why it's bm. Just make a composition that's good vs him and kill him already, you don't have to make cost inefficient trades on purpose just to make a point that you're so much better that you can even beat him with mutas vs double stargate...
I don't think he did it on purpose,he is playing in the American "Code S," I very highly doubt he is screwing around when playing online with lag with that much money on the line. He just felt this was more cheese proof, so he couldn't loose to something wonky, which would be the only way minigun could win.
On May 01 2013 09:50 Derez wrote: Lose overlord, mess up your proxy hatch, fuck up a bling bust, win anyway.
That's how big the skill difference is between these two..
Exactly. That's why it's bm. Just make a composition that's good vs him and kill him already, you don't have to make cost inefficient trades on purpose just to make a point that you're so much better that you can even beat him with mutas vs double stargate...
Lol Nestea makes inefficient trades all the time it has nothing to do with him being BM. That is the only reason he slumped. Early mid game he has never stopped being one of the absolute best zergs in the game but after that he just throws away gigantic leads with inefficient engagements.
So you're saying it's standard Nestea gameplay for Nestea to waste what, 7-8000 ressources, just so he could win with mutas despite the hard counter?
I mean, I know he did similar in the famous HuK game (where it was obviously BM too), but I never saw him do it any other time.
Does Nestea even know Minigun personally? Nestea isn't out to BM every opponent he plays.
On May 01 2013 09:50 Derez wrote: Lose overlord, mess up your proxy hatch, fuck up a bling bust, win anyway.
That's how big the skill difference is between these two..
Exactly. That's why it's bm. Just make a composition that's good vs him and kill him already, you don't have to make cost inefficient trades on purpose just to make a point that you're so much better that you can even beat him with mutas vs double stargate...
Is EVERYTHING BM in SC these days?
i come from fighting games and i don't know how half the people on TL can live life without getting offended.
On May 01 2013 09:50 Derez wrote: Lose overlord, mess up your proxy hatch, fuck up a bling bust, win anyway.
That's how big the skill difference is between these two..
Exactly. That's why it's bm. Just make a composition that's good vs him and kill him already, you don't have to make cost inefficient trades on purpose just to make a point that you're so much better that you can even beat him with mutas vs double stargate...
Lol Nestea makes inefficient trades all the time it has nothing to do with him being BM. That is the only reason he slumped. Early mid game he has never stopped being one of the absolute best zergs in the game but after that he just throws away gigantic leads with inefficient engagements.
So you're saying it's standard Nestea gameplay for Nestea to waste what, 7-8000 ressources, just so he could win with mutas despite the hard counter?
I mean, I know he did similar in the famous HuK game (where it was obviously BM too), but I never saw him do it any other time.
He's freeing supply to remax on muta. It's pretty standard if it gets to that point of the game yes. You don't just keep a bunch of lings and corrupters if they're going to die.
On May 01 2013 09:50 Derez wrote: Lose overlord, mess up your proxy hatch, fuck up a bling bust, win anyway.
That's how big the skill difference is between these two..
Exactly. That's why it's bm. Just make a composition that's good vs him and kill him already, you don't have to make cost inefficient trades on purpose just to make a point that you're so much better that you can even beat him with mutas vs double stargate...
Lol Nestea makes inefficient trades all the time it has nothing to do with him being BM. That is the only reason he slumped. Early mid game he has never stopped being one of the absolute best zergs in the game but after that he just throws away gigantic leads with inefficient engagements.
So you're saying it's standard Nestea gameplay for Nestea to waste what, 7-8000 ressources, just so he could win with mutas despite the hard counter?
I mean, I know he did similar in the famous HuK game (where it was obviously BM too), but I never saw him do it any other time.
Believe it or not...it actually is standard Nestea ZvP. He's not really quick for fancy mico-management and mulitask like DRG, Life, or Leenock. So he plays to his strenght, macro and decision-making. If you followed Nestea, in ZvP he loves mutas more than any Zerg in that matchup and he wins quite often with them. See his epic game vs PartinG on Whirlwind in Iron Squid. Very similar.
On May 01 2013 09:50 Derez wrote: Lose overlord, mess up your proxy hatch, fuck up a bling bust, win anyway.
That's how big the skill difference is between these two..
Exactly. That's why it's bm. Just make a composition that's good vs him and kill him already, you don't have to make cost inefficient trades on purpose just to make a point that you're so much better that you can even beat him with mutas vs double stargate...
Okay that's enough. Nestea's strategy is actually really intelligent all around and I think it shows a lot of preparation on his part. Excluding the obvious small mistakes he made here and there, the proxy hatch is a legitimate strategy against someone he may know often goes nexus first. It also gets the added bonus of putting the Protoss player on the wrong foot as PvZ tempo advantage is usually given to Protoss early game letting them do pressure with fast zealot stalker msc, but Nestea's open lets him throw them off that rhythm.
He then went to spire, but didn't commit to mutas because he thought and confirmed there were double stargates, so he went corruptors. Minigun wasn't sure if it was one or the other and had to get phoenixes, then go double void rays/collossi as it was the fastest tech he could transition to that could actually hit the ground. So the tech to corruptors buys Nestea a huge amount of time to get hundreds of drones and he went to mass ling bane because they are expendable, fast and do well to stop any kind of harassment Minigun may have tried during that time. He banked up money and then went for a bust to trade in his ling/bling corruptors. Money wasn't a problem at that point and all he was doing was trading that army to go mass mutas. At that point the game was over, there was no cannons, not enough phoenixes left and he had neglected blink stalkers. He could either go for a base trade and lose 100% or recall and try to defend Nestea's muta ball, but mutas once they do the initial hit of damage generally snowball out of control and win the game.
On May 01 2013 09:50 Derez wrote: Lose overlord, mess up your proxy hatch, fuck up a bling bust, win anyway.
That's how big the skill difference is between these two..
Exactly. That's why it's bm. Just make a composition that's good vs him and kill him already, you don't have to make cost inefficient trades on purpose just to make a point that you're so much better that you can even beat him with mutas vs double stargate...
It wasn't bm. zergs do this on a very frequent basis. Tech switching late game is very good.
It wasn't a fuck up bling bust, it went pretty much as much as he could have hoped.
Check out a few of the naniwa vs leenock games, and I think leenock did something similar at least one, if not twice.
I seriously doubt he would fool around in a tournament of this caliber.
On May 01 2013 10:03 stuchiu wrote: Okay that's enough. Nestea's strategy is actually really intelligent all around and I think it shows a lot of preparation on his part. Excluding the obvious small mistakes he made here and there, the proxy hatch is a legitimate strategy against someone he may know often goes nexus first. It also gets the added bonus of putting the Protoss player on the wrong foot as PvZ tempo advantage is usually given to Protoss early game letting them do pressure with fast zealot stalker msc, but Nestea's open lets him throw them off that rhythm.
He then went to spire, but didn't commit to mutas because he thought and confirmed there were double stargates, so he went corruptors. Minigun wasn't sure if it was one or the other and had to get phoenixes, then go double void rays/collossi as it was the fastest tech he could transition to that could actually hit the ground. So the tech to corruptors buys Nestea a huge amount of time to get hundreds of drones and he went to mass ling bane because they are expendable, fast and do well to stop any kind of harassment Minigun may have tried during that time. He banked up money and then went for a bust to trade in his ling/bling corruptors. Money wasn't a problem at that point and all he was doing was trading that army to go mass mutas. At that point the game was over, there was no cannons, not enough phoenixes left and he had neglected blink stalkers. He could either go for a base trade and lose 100% or recall and try to defend Nestea's muta ball, but mutas once they do the initial hit of damage generally snowball out of control and win the game.
Well said, that is what I was trying to say, just less eloquently lol:
On May 01 2013 09:56 onPHYRE wrote:
I don't think you are understanding what was happening. He made banelings so he could cost effectively free up supply, so he killed econ instead of saccing roaches for nothing to forcefields. Yea the proxy hatch stuff went worse than last game but it still delayed Mini and clearly NesTea is more comfortable playing from those positions/timings. The toss feels like he needs to go do damage because he made units early to kill the Hatchery, NesTea knows this, produces units to trade cost effectively and then knows the toss can no longer move out for a while so he drones like a mad man. Pretty genius if your opponent is predictable enough.
On May 01 2013 09:49 GTPGlitch wrote: "Nestea so good"
He made mutas.... talent?
You are joking right?
Is this some sort of stupid balance whine against Mutas?
I'm just saying even a friggin diamond could do what nestea did if a protoss didn't attack for 20 minutes and let the zerg get up to 115 drones and even after that wasn't the one to attack and only built like 6 phoenixes
On May 01 2013 09:50 Derez wrote: Lose overlord, mess up your proxy hatch, fuck up a bling bust, win anyway.
That's how big the skill difference is between these two..
Exactly. That's why it's bm. Just make a composition that's good vs him and kill him already, you don't have to make cost inefficient trades on purpose just to make a point that you're so much better that you can even beat him with mutas vs double stargate...
I seriously doubt he would fool around in a tournament of this caliber.
He did it in GSL vs Huk, so your doubt is invalid =)
I mean I'm against everyone so obv I'm wrong and it's just his way to do his stuff. Still don't think that's the best way he could go about it, especially after the great advantage he took from perfect early game, just like stuchiu pointed out, but then again I don't play zerg.
On May 01 2013 09:49 GTPGlitch wrote: "Nestea so good"
He made mutas.... talent?
You are joking right?
Is this some sort of stupid balance whine against Mutas?
I'm just saying even a friggin diamond could do what nestea did if a protoss didn't attack for 20 minutes and let the zerg get up to 115 drones and even after that wasn't the one to attack and only built like 6 phoenixes
haha no, definitely not. even masters players are terrible compared to what nestea displayed there.
On May 01 2013 09:50 Derez wrote: Lose overlord, mess up your proxy hatch, fuck up a bling bust, win anyway.
That's how big the skill difference is between these two..
Exactly. That's why it's bm. Just make a composition that's good vs him and kill him already, you don't have to make cost inefficient trades on purpose just to make a point that you're so much better that you can even beat him with mutas vs double stargate...
It wasn't bm. zergs do this on a very frequent basis. Tech switching late game is very good.
It wasn't a fuck up bling bust, it went pretty much as much as he could have hoped.
Check out a few of the naniwa vs leenock games, and I think leenock did something similar at least one, if not twice.
I seriously doubt he would fool around in a tournament of this caliber.
On May 01 2013 09:50 Derez wrote: Lose overlord, mess up your proxy hatch, fuck up a bling bust, win anyway.
That's how big the skill difference is between these two..
Exactly. That's why it's bm. Just make a composition that's good vs him and kill him already, you don't have to make cost inefficient trades on purpose just to make a point that you're so much better that you can even beat him with mutas vs double stargate...
It wasn't bm. zergs do this on a very frequent basis. Tech switching late game is very good.
It wasn't a fuck up bling bust, it went pretty much as much as he could have hoped.
Check out a few of the naniwa vs leenock games, and I think leenock did something similar at least one, if not twice.
I seriously doubt he would fool around in a tournament of this caliber.
On May 01 2013 09:50 Derez wrote: Lose overlord, mess up your proxy hatch, fuck up a bling bust, win anyway.
That's how big the skill difference is between these two..
Exactly. That's why it's bm. Just make a composition that's good vs him and kill him already, you don't have to make cost inefficient trades on purpose just to make a point that you're so much better that you can even beat him with mutas vs double stargate...
It wasn't bm. zergs do this on a very frequent basis. Tech switching late game is very good.
It wasn't a fuck up bling bust, it went pretty much as much as he could have hoped.
Check out a few of the naniwa vs leenock games, and I think leenock did something similar at least one, if not twice.
I seriously doubt he would fool around in a tournament of this caliber.
On May 01 2013 09:50 Derez wrote: Lose overlord, mess up your proxy hatch, fuck up a bling bust, win anyway.
That's how big the skill difference is between these two..
Exactly. That's why it's bm. Just make a composition that's good vs him and kill him already, you don't have to make cost inefficient trades on purpose just to make a point that you're so much better that you can even beat him with mutas vs double stargate...
It wasn't bm. zergs do this on a very frequent basis. Tech switching late game is very good.
It wasn't a fuck up bling bust, it went pretty much as much as he could have hoped.
Check out a few of the naniwa vs leenock games, and I think leenock did something similar at least one, if not twice.
I seriously doubt he would fool around in a tournament of this caliber.
So are they casting replays?
No it is live. Minigun is just chatting between games. And yea I posted pretty much that exact thing earlier minigun, no way NesTea would fool around in USA Code S...
On May 01 2013 10:17 Shellshock1122 wrote: What country do we want Apocalypse to represent? USA also? or should we share the talent?
If Polt's American, then so is Apoc. If he's not then he's not. We don't go halfsies.
I mean we gave Canada Snute. Was thinking maybe we could be nice and give Apocalypse to another NA/SA country so they could have someone :D but making him from the USA as well is fine. USA going to have a lot of representatives in the Ro16
I think Goswser can possibly do it. Polt is gonna body him, but with how much he keeps owning Idra and Revival having some real derp moments perhaps he can pull through.
I think he's the best player in the states
edit: oh and Illusion is pretty good too. Can't forget him
I think Goswser can possibly do it. Polt is gonna body him, but with how much he keeps owning Idra and Revival having some real derp moments perhaps he can pull through.
I think he's the best player in the states
edit: oh and Illusion is pretty good too. Can't forget him
On May 01 2013 09:49 GTPGlitch wrote: "Nestea so good"
He made mutas.... talent?
You are joking right?
Is this some sort of stupid balance whine against Mutas?
I'm just saying even a friggin diamond could do what nestea did if a protoss didn't attack for 20 minutes and let the zerg get up to 115 drones and even after that wasn't the one to attack and only built like 6 phoenixes
haha no, definitely not. even masters players are terrible compared to what nestea displayed there.
Making mutas and attacking with them isn't hard
Making half a million drones when there's no threat of an attack isn't hard
Attacking with ling/baneling once you're maxed and have a huge bank isn't hard
Sure nestea is good, but what he did in game 2 isn't a godly display of skill. It's a basic understanding of how the game works and a very simple idea of "lack of aa->mass muta attack'...
Illusion could make it. He's better than Maker, and he just has to beat Moonglade. Alicia is definitely favored against him, but Illusion has beaten Code S Koreans before in Bo3 series, so an upset may be possible, albeit unlikely.
I must be taking crazy pills, but what the hell happened to Sheth? He was, like, the top NA zerg for a while and now I haven't seen him in ages. I never saw his retirement announce...
I must be taking crazy pills, but what the hell happened to Sheth? He was, like, the top NA zerg for a while and now I haven't seen him in ages. I never saw his retirement announce...
Wrist pain I think. He's also been trying to get healthier overall, which is nice to see
I must be taking crazy pills, but what the hell happened to Sheth? He was, like, the top NA zerg for a while and now I haven't seen him in ages. I never saw his retirement announce...
I must be taking crazy pills, but what the hell happened to Sheth? He was, like, the top NA zerg for a while and now I haven't seen him in ages. I never saw his retirement announce...
Wrist pain I think. He's also been trying to get healthier overall, which is nice to see
Nothing wrong with getting healthier. Still, I miss that guy. Great player, great attitude, awesome in team leagues. Hopefully we'll see him again!
This whole WCS NA has just been full of cringe since the start. First the whole wualifier fiasco. Next, I have to listen to these casters. Now I can't decide whether it is a good idea to have a residency requirement or not, because every game from an American has just been awful to watch. I'm not sure if I would watch if there wasn't any non NA players in the tournament.
I must be taking crazy pills, but what the hell happened to Sheth? He was, like, the top NA zerg for a while and now I haven't seen him in ages. I never saw his retirement announce...
He's been inactive for quite a while now, due to health issues I think.
I must be taking crazy pills, but what the hell happened to Sheth? He was, like, the top NA zerg for a while and now I haven't seen him in ages. I never saw his retirement announce...
He's been inactive for quite a while now, due to health issues I think.
On May 01 2013 10:25 408xParadox wrote: This whole WCS NA has just been full of cringe since the start. First the whole wualifier fiasco. Next, I have to listen to these casters. Now I can't decide whether it is a good idea to have a residency requirement or not, because every game from an American has just been awful to watch. I'm not sure if I would watch if there wasn't any non NA players in the tournament.
There is a reason why EG has demuslim, stephano, huk and thorzain on there team
On May 01 2013 10:25 408xParadox wrote: This whole WCS NA has just been full of cringe since the start. First the whole wualifier fiasco. Next, I have to listen to these casters. Now I can't decide whether it is a good idea to have a residency requirement or not, because every game from an American has just been awful to watch. I'm not sure if I would watch if there wasn't any non NA players in the tournament.
There is a reason why EG has demuslim, stephano, huk and thorzain on there team
On May 01 2013 10:25 408xParadox wrote: This whole WCS NA has just been full of cringe since the start. First the whole wualifier fiasco. Next, I have to listen to these casters. Now I can't decide whether it is a good idea to have a residency requirement or not, because every game from an American has just been awful to watch. I'm not sure if I would watch if there wasn't any non NA players in the tournament.
There is a reason why EG has demuslim, stephano, huk and thorzain on there team
Huk is NA, what's your point?
If there were alot of good NA players.. they would not have EU players on there roster.
On May 01 2013 10:25 408xParadox wrote: This whole WCS NA has just been full of cringe since the start. First the whole wualifier fiasco. Next, I have to listen to these casters. Now I can't decide whether it is a good idea to have a residency requirement or not, because every game from an American has just been awful to watch. I'm not sure if I would watch if there wasn't any non NA players in the tournament.
There is a reason why EG has demuslim, stephano, huk and thorzain on there team
Huk is NA, what's your point?
If there were alot of good NA players.. they would not have EU players on there roster.
I think EG would pick up popular players regardless of which region they come from, even if NA was as good as EU
On May 01 2013 10:33 Ace Frehley wrote: Player bashing here is getting out of hand (wcs europe same thing) This is nasty
I generally try not to rag on foreigners much, but I am pretty disappointed in the play of americans in WCS. Many of them don't seem to have put any special preparation or put together any special builds for it. This is freaking WCS america! Why didn't you at least come out with your best to defend the home turf?
On May 01 2013 10:25 408xParadox wrote: This whole WCS NA has just been full of cringe since the start. First the whole wualifier fiasco. Next, I have to listen to these casters. Now I can't decide whether it is a good idea to have a residency requirement or not, because every game from an American has just been awful to watch. I'm not sure if I would watch if there wasn't any non NA players in the tournament.
There is a reason why EG has demuslim, stephano, huk and thorzain on there team
Huk is NA, what's your point?
If there were alot of good NA players.. they would not have EU players on there roster.
I think EG would pick up popular players regardless of which region they come from, even if NA was as good as EU
Agreed, which means NA has less talent that is signable a.t.m. compared to other regions. U wont get better if u cant play against better players. Therefore I am happy that foreign players (EU/Russia/Africa/Korea) would play on WCS-NA to try to raise the NA skilllevel.
You have to give it to Stephano, he was the pioneer of dodging difficult tournaments to maximize his winnings, now all these Koreans are following in his footsteps.
On May 01 2013 10:33 Ace Frehley wrote: Player bashing here is getting out of hand (wcs europe same thing) This is nasty
I generally try not to rag on foreigners much, but I am pretty disappointed in the play of americans in WCS. Many of them don't seem to have put any special preparation or put together any special builds for it. This is freaking WCS america! Why didn't you at least come out with your best to defend the home turf?
Idk, I expected more.
Its not player bashing as much as it is the fact that most of us have become used to the extremely high level play of GSL. The players their dont make completely idiotic moves. I mean there are so many extremely noticeble mistakes by both Fenix and Minigun that it makes me cringe. I wish they could put up a less disappointing display of their skill but all I see is them getting smashed completely in WCS NA. Hopefully Moonglade, Huk, and Scarlett put up a good show.
This is what the NA scene needs, a baptism by fire. Get matched up against superior opponents, and while many will fall and never get back up, maybe some can rise up to the occasion.
On the plus side, it also helps give Korean progamers who don't get many opportunities otherwise a chance for results, money and fame.
On May 01 2013 10:44 Bagration wrote: This is what the NA scene needs, a baptism by fire. Get matched up against superior opponents, and while many will fall and never get back up, maybe some can rise up to the occasion.
On the plus side, it also helps give Korean progamers who don't get many opportunities otherwise a chance for results, money and fame.
Yeah agreed. The NA scene (and part of the EU scene) has been way too stale, if anything WCS will make playing SC2 profesionally viable for people that were never able to break into the scene before. It's going to mean that a lot of the 'popular' faces in SC2 are going to wash out and take the destiny route, but that's great for the game overall.
WCS is going to develop the scene tremendously, having to beat code B koreans creates an excellent barrier to entry. Two seasons from now we'll have NA/EU talent breaking into the scene.
On May 01 2013 10:44 Bagration wrote: This is what the NA scene needs, a baptism by fire. Get matched up against superior opponents, and while many will fall and never get back up, maybe some can rise up to the occasion.
On the plus side, it also helps give Korean progamers who don't get many opportunities otherwise a chance for results, money and fame.
Yeah agreed. The NA scene (and part of the EU scene) has been way too stale, if anything WCS will make playing SC2 profesionally viable for people that were never able to break into the scene before. It's going to mean that a lot of the 'popular' faces in SC2 are going to wash out and take the destiny route, but that's great for the game overall.
WCS is going to develop the scene tremendously, having to beat code B koreans creates an excellent barrier to entry.
I feel like this would be much more the case if like in EU it was a handful of Koreans instead of the wall it currently is.
Did they change the observer UI throughout the cast? I assume they didn't and I'm just being oblivious, but I like this setting. Yesterday I complained in the LR thread that using the standard interface looked very displeasing after having seen GSL. Props MLG!
Ah, so I see we're player bashing Koreans now. Where will the axe fall next? He may be a fan favorite but Nestea's not in Code S for a reason. I don't think anyone is actually surprised by him taking out Minigun, but Apoc is a very skilled player, he showed that in his run through the qualifiers.
Yeah he didn't have to face Comm, that doesn't mean he sucks and should be treated like shit.
On May 01 2013 11:04 redviper wrote: Nestea is just having fun at this point. WCS NA champion. Calling it.
idk ro16 is going to be like a completely different tournament in terms of difficulty
Honestly if anyone but Polt or Violet wins WCS America then I will be REALLY surprised.
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On May 01 2013 11:06 Badfatpanda wrote: Ah, so I see we're player bashing Koreans now. Where will the axe fall next? He may be a fan favorite but Nestea's not in Code S for a reason. I don't think anyone is actually surprised by him taking out Minigun, but Apoc is a very skilled player, he showed that in his run through the qualifiers.
Yeah he didn't have to face Comm, that doesn't mean he sucks and should be treated like shit.
I too have terrible macro and only 22 workers at the 9 minute mark.... oh wait NO I DONT. Seriously that was just terrible by him. Not his best game by a long shot. The kid is definitely better than what he is showing but he played pretty bad that game.
I swear Axeltoss is the dumbest dude alive acting like Apocalypse did anything right. NesTea outplayed him from the very beginning, and Axeltoss was acting like it was a close game, even though there was a 70 supply difference
On May 01 2013 11:06 RParks42 wrote: I swear Axeltoss is the dumbest dude alive acting like Apocalypse did anything right. NesTea outplayed him from the very beginning, and Axeltoss was acting like it was a close game, even though there was a 70 supply difference
Regardless if the game's good or not, it's his job to put up the illusion that it is so. The caster and player hate is, overall, appalling.
On May 01 2013 11:04 redviper wrote: Nestea is just having fun at this point. WCS NA champion. Calling it.
As much as the code S guys arent participating this time around. There's still: Ryung, HerO, Violet and Polt have a really good chance to knock out Nestea in the ro8 forward
On May 01 2013 11:02 Bagi wrote: Typical Nestea army control...
he controlled it decently
I just hate seeing zergs get indecisive with their banes, moving back and forth yet never actually connecting.
The a-move in the middle of the map ended being much more effective.
From what I could tell he was going back and forth with that group of mutas/banes to buy time while the rest of his army killed every SCV in the natural and a bunch of buildings
On May 01 2013 11:04 redviper wrote: Nestea is just having fun at this point. WCS NA champion. Calling it.
I really can't see it, would be good to see him have a run though
I agree. Nestea is superior to lower level Korean pros and most players outside of Korea. He is a smart player who prepares for his opponents well. However, he reverts back to ZergBong whenever he plays against someone who really forces him to multitask.
On May 01 2013 11:04 redviper wrote: Nestea is just having fun at this point. WCS NA champion. Calling it.
I really can't see it, would be good to see him have a run though
I agree. Nestea is superior to lower level Korean pros and most players outside of Korea. He is a smart player who prepares for his opponents well. However, he reverts back to ZergBong whenever he plays against someone who really forces him to multitask.
Nestea'll cruise through most of the non-KRs, but he'll likely die to Ryung, Polt, and the KR protosses
On May 01 2013 11:04 redviper wrote: Nestea is just having fun at this point. WCS NA champion. Calling it.
I really can't see it, would be good to see him have a run though
I agree. Nestea is superior to lower level Korean pros and most players outside of Korea. He is a smart player who prepares for his opponents well. However, he reverts back to ZergBong whenever he plays against someone who really forces him to multitask.
Exactly, I do love the 'Tea of course, but I feel people are really overrating him here, and underrating the likes of HerO, Ryung and Alive
On May 01 2013 11:14 Popkiller wrote: arent those two reapers meant to scout stuff like that... he poked and then ran them home to put them in the bunker...
If you saw gas first, you usually send them home to retain them after queens pop (in case zerg makes a round of speedlings) until you have hellions out.
On May 01 2013 11:04 redviper wrote: Nestea is just having fun at this point. WCS NA champion. Calling it.
I really can't see it, would be good to see him have a run though
I agree. Nestea is superior to lower level Korean pros and most players outside of Korea. He is a smart player who prepares for his opponents well. However, he reverts back to ZergBong whenever he plays against someone who really forces him to multitask.
Exactly, I do love the 'Tea of course, but I feel people are really overrating him here, and underrating the likes of HerO, Ryung and Alive
Nestea will crush the Korean protosses I'd say. It's only the terrans.
Even during his darkest days towards the end of WoL he was still 9-1 in his last 10 ZvPs and maintained a 76% win percentage. Even took out PartinG when everyone was raving over his PvZ.
On May 01 2013 11:28 Shellshock1122 wrote: Hopefully one of these guys wins quick. I dont want to have to do 2 threads at the same time and Code A starts in about 1 hr 40 min
On May 01 2013 11:28 Shellshock1122 wrote: Hopefully one of these guys wins quick. I dont want to have to do 2 threads at the same time and Code A starts in about 1 hr 40 min
Pssh, Opter would.
I went there.
I've done it multiple times. It's just annoying :/
On May 01 2013 11:04 redviper wrote: Nestea is just having fun at this point. WCS NA champion. Calling it.
I really can't see it, would be good to see him have a run though
I agree. Nestea is superior to lower level Korean pros and most players outside of Korea. He is a smart player who prepares for his opponents well. However, he reverts back to ZergBong whenever he plays against someone who really forces him to multitask.
Exactly, I do love the 'Tea of course, but I feel people are really overrating him here, and underrating the likes of HerO, Ryung and Alive
Nestea will crush the Korean protosses I'd say. It's only the terrans.
Even during his darkest days towards the end of WoL he was still 9-1 in ZvP and maintained a 76% win percentage. Even took out PartinG when everyone was raving over his PvZ.
He also derped and lost to HuK ages ago when he was still considered one of the best zergs
So strange. An SCV mines the mineral patch with its right-hand drill, but the minerals appear on its left-hand grip without any visible hand-to-hand transfer.
On May 01 2013 11:04 redviper wrote: Nestea is just having fun at this point. WCS NA champion. Calling it.
I really can't see it, would be good to see him have a run though
I agree. Nestea is superior to lower level Korean pros and most players outside of Korea. He is a smart player who prepares for his opponents well. However, he reverts back to ZergBong whenever he plays against someone who really forces him to multitask.
Exactly, I do love the 'Tea of course, but I feel people are really overrating him here, and underrating the likes of HerO, Ryung and Alive
Nestea will crush the Korean protosses I'd say. It's only the terrans.
Even during his darkest days towards the end of WoL he was still 9-1 in ZvP and maintained a 76% win percentage. Even took out PartinG when everyone was raving over his PvZ.
He also derped and lost to HuK ages ago when he was still considered one of the best zergs
On May 01 2013 11:04 redviper wrote: Nestea is just having fun at this point. WCS NA champion. Calling it.
I really can't see it, would be good to see him have a run though
I agree. Nestea is superior to lower level Korean pros and most players outside of Korea. He is a smart player who prepares for his opponents well. However, he reverts back to ZergBong whenever he plays against someone who really forces him to multitask.
Exactly, I do love the 'Tea of course, but I feel people are really overrating him here, and underrating the likes of HerO, Ryung and Alive
Nestea will crush the Korean protosses I'd say. It's only the terrans.
Even during his darkest days towards the end of WoL he was still 9-1 in ZvP and maintained a 76% win percentage. Even took out PartinG when everyone was raving over his PvZ.
He also derped and lost to HuK ages ago when he was still considered one of the best zergs
Yeah we'll have to look out for that. A single game from almost 2 years ago is quite telling.
On May 01 2013 11:04 redviper wrote: Nestea is just having fun at this point. WCS NA champion. Calling it.
I really can't see it, would be good to see him have a run though
I agree. Nestea is superior to lower level Korean pros and most players outside of Korea. He is a smart player who prepares for his opponents well. However, he reverts back to ZergBong whenever he plays against someone who really forces him to multitask.
Exactly, I do love the 'Tea of course, but I feel people are really overrating him here, and underrating the likes of HerO, Ryung and Alive
Nestea will crush the Korean protosses I'd say. It's only the terrans.
Even during his darkest days towards the end of WoL he was still 9-1 in ZvP and maintained a 76% win percentage. Even took out PartinG when everyone was raving over his PvZ.
He also derped and lost to HuK ages ago when he was still considered one of the best zergs
On May 01 2013 11:04 redviper wrote: Nestea is just having fun at this point. WCS NA champion. Calling it.
I really can't see it, would be good to see him have a run though
I agree. Nestea is superior to lower level Korean pros and most players outside of Korea. He is a smart player who prepares for his opponents well. However, he reverts back to ZergBong whenever he plays against someone who really forces him to multitask.
Exactly, I do love the 'Tea of course, but I feel people are really overrating him here, and underrating the likes of HerO, Ryung and Alive
Nestea will crush the Korean protosses I'd say. It's only the terrans.
Even during his darkest days towards the end of WoL he was still 9-1 in ZvP and maintained a 76% win percentage. Even took out PartinG when everyone was raving over his PvZ.
He also derped and lost to HuK ages ago when he was still considered one of the best zergs
Yeah we'll have to look out for that. A single game from almost 2 years ago is quite telling.
Yup, any-time anywhere Nestea can derp and fall apart like that.
On May 01 2013 11:04 redviper wrote: Nestea is just having fun at this point. WCS NA champion. Calling it.
I really can't see it, would be good to see him have a run though
I agree. Nestea is superior to lower level Korean pros and most players outside of Korea. He is a smart player who prepares for his opponents well. However, he reverts back to ZergBong whenever he plays against someone who really forces him to multitask.
Exactly, I do love the 'Tea of course, but I feel people are really overrating him here, and underrating the likes of HerO, Ryung and Alive
Nestea will crush the Korean protosses I'd say. It's only the terrans.
Even during his darkest days towards the end of WoL he was still 9-1 in ZvP and maintained a 76% win percentage. Even took out PartinG when everyone was raving over his PvZ.
He also derped and lost to HuK ages ago when he was still considered one of the best zergs
Yeah we'll have to look out for that. A single game from almost 2 years ago is quite telling.
I get you're an IM fan but we haven't seen anything from the guy for quite a while at this point, even less in HotS. People in the thread are going hog wild when he hasn't met a real contender yet, ro16 will be different and there are many people in this tournament capable of besting him.
On May 01 2013 11:04 redviper wrote: Nestea is just having fun at this point. WCS NA champion. Calling it.
I really can't see it, would be good to see him have a run though
I agree. Nestea is superior to lower level Korean pros and most players outside of Korea. He is a smart player who prepares for his opponents well. However, he reverts back to ZergBong whenever he plays against someone who really forces him to multitask.
Exactly, I do love the 'Tea of course, but I feel people are really overrating him here, and underrating the likes of HerO, Ryung and Alive
Nestea will crush the Korean protosses I'd say. It's only the terrans.
Even during his darkest days towards the end of WoL he was still 9-1 in ZvP and maintained a 76% win percentage. Even took out PartinG when everyone was raving over his PvZ.
He also derped and lost to HuK ages ago when he was still considered one of the best zergs
Yeah we'll have to look out for that. A single game from almost 2 years ago is quite telling.
I get you're an IM fan but we haven't seen anything from the guy for quite a while at this point, even less in HotS. People in the thread are going hog wild when he hasn't met a real contender yet, ro16 will be different and there are many people in this tournament capable of besting him.
It's just fun to hype nestea, we already have all the necessary gifs!
On May 01 2013 11:04 redviper wrote: Nestea is just having fun at this point. WCS NA champion. Calling it.
I really can't see it, would be good to see him have a run though
I agree. Nestea is superior to lower level Korean pros and most players outside of Korea. He is a smart player who prepares for his opponents well. However, he reverts back to ZergBong whenever he plays against someone who really forces him to multitask.
Exactly, I do love the 'Tea of course, but I feel people are really overrating him here, and underrating the likes of HerO, Ryung and Alive
Nestea will crush the Korean protosses I'd say. It's only the terrans.
Even during his darkest days towards the end of WoL he was still 9-1 in ZvP and maintained a 76% win percentage. Even took out PartinG when everyone was raving over his PvZ.
He also derped and lost to HuK ages ago when he was still considered one of the best zergs
Yeah we'll have to look out for that. A single game from almost 2 years ago is quite telling.
I get you're an IM fan but we haven't seen anything from the guy for quite a while at this point, even less in HotS. People in the thread are going hog wild when he hasn't met a real contender yet, ro16 will be different and there are many people in this tournament capable of besting him.
It's just fun to hype nestea, we already have all the necessary gifs!
including last game Minigun is now on a 8 game losing streak in competitive matches 0-1 Trimaster ATC qualifiers 0-3 Creator MLG Winter Exhibition 0-1 Dayshi ATC 0-2 Nestea 0-1 Fenix
On May 01 2013 11:48 Shellshock1122 wrote: including last game Minigun is now on a 8 game losing streak in competitive matches 0-1 Trimaster ATC qualifiers 0-3 Creator MLG Winter Exhibition 0-1 Dayshi ATC 0-2 Nestea 0-1 Fenix
Wait, who did he play for consolations in MLG, didn't he lose those matches as well?
On May 01 2013 11:49 stuchiu wrote: Keen used to be so happy, but then Nada retired and ever since then he hasn't had the heart to perform another ceremony.
that's what made Keen one of my favorite Terrans a long time ago.
On May 01 2013 11:48 Shellshock1122 wrote: including last game Minigun is now on a 8 game losing streak in competitive matches 0-1 Trimaster ATC qualifiers 0-3 Creator MLG Winter Exhibition 0-1 Dayshi ATC 0-2 Nestea 0-1 Fenix
Rather awful play from Fenix. You could tell that he wasn't paying enough attention to his units (Medivacs, marines, etc.) during several points of that game. I'm not even sure what he was thinking in the last moment. Minigun could have killed him earlier, but for some reason backed off. Fenix then throws his luck by attacking into a maxed deathball with a much lower supply bio army + some scvs..
On May 01 2013 12:08 Sein wrote: Rather awful play from Fenix. You could tell that he wasn't paying enough attention to his units (Medivacs, marines, etc.) during several points of that game. I'm not even sure what he was thinking in the last moment. Minigun could have killed him earlier, but for some reason backed off. Fenix then throws his luck by attacking into a maxed deathball with a much lower supply bio army + some scvs..
On May 01 2013 11:28 Shellshock1122 wrote: Hopefully one of these guys wins quick. I dont want to have to do 2 threads at the same time and Code A starts in about 1 hr 40 min
Pssh, Opter would.
I went there.
I've done it multiple times. It's just annoying :/
On May 01 2013 11:28 Shellshock1122 wrote: Hopefully one of these guys wins quick. I dont want to have to do 2 threads at the same time and Code A starts in about 1 hr 40 min
Pssh, Opter would.
I went there.
I've done it multiple times. It's just annoying :/
have you done three at once
I've done two at once while live reporting one but not three at once I don't have nearly as much passion as you
On May 01 2013 11:28 Shellshock1122 wrote: Hopefully one of these guys wins quick. I dont want to have to do 2 threads at the same time and Code A starts in about 1 hr 40 min
Pssh, Opter would.
I went there.
I've done it multiple times. It's just annoying :/
have you done three at once
I've done two at once while live reporting one but not three at once I don't have nearly as much passion as you
to be fair when i did three at once, one was pretty slow (WCG KR i think) but SPL and something else was on at the time too. LRing is pretty big task though
Maybe my prediction of Minigun top 16 can come true if he can keep up that defensive awareness, he will sure need it, Korean cheese is going down I bet.
On May 01 2013 13:04 Carefree wrote: Can someone explain what happened? I missed it..
Apocolype fell behind after his early attack failed pretty badly, and then Minigun moved out to Apocolype's base with no energy for recall and Apocolype just walked around minigun's army and killed everything in minigun's base.
Apoc playing SC2 feels the same as me doing classes at university. It's never brilliant, and I kind of know I'm not convincing anyone with it, but I still qualify when it's needed.
Yo WCS is bullshit man don't worry we aren't hating almost everybody in chat was rooting for you, you should not be playing Koreans but you did us proud on Game 1 and 3.
I had this whole GIJones thing for you though i am sad I didn't get to post it.
Wow Nestea came first without losing a game, and he also started first game with a proxy hatch. I haven't been keeping up with Nestea lately but it seemed he was really falling off in general (glad to see he's still doing well enough).
Reminds me of the good old days when Nestea always tried risky things (and it all paid off) in the GSLs he won (spine crawler rush for example, going fast hatch on rich minerals into a roach rush, etc).
EPT
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minigun's screwed, can't move out, can't expand&defend either.
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