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On April 23 2013 08:26 TotalBiscuit wrote: I dunno about you, but I don't watch games to see the winner, I watch to see how it happened. It's the journey, not the destination.
I love stories in tournaments, but knowing the results of them for me kind of defeats the storyline.
On April 23 2013 08:26 TotalBiscuit wrote: I dunno about you, but I don't watch games to see the winner, I watch to see how it happened. It's the journey, not the destination.
also for the gameplay, can't wait to watch jaedong vs demuslim!
On April 23 2013 08:26 TotalBiscuit wrote: I dunno about you, but I don't watch games to see the winner, I watch to see how it happened. It's the journey, not the destination.
So when NASL and TLS are doing it for years its fine, but when it's MLG, the witchhunt must go on? + Show Spoiler +
On April 23 2013 08:29 ROOTAxeltoss wrote: Fionn can you put that in spoiler tags please?
On April 23 2013 08:26 TotalBiscuit wrote: I dunno about you, but I don't watch games to see the winner, I watch to see how it happened. It's the journey, not the destination.
So when NASL and TLS are doing it for years its fine, but when it's MLG, the witchhunt must go on? + Show Spoiler +
On April 23 2013 08:29 ROOTAxeltoss wrote: Fionn can you put that in spoiler tags please?
oh you
Dont see any pitchfork in TB's comment, or am I blind?
On April 23 2013 08:26 TotalBiscuit wrote: I dunno about you, but I don't watch games to see the winner, I watch to see how it happened. It's the journey, not the destination.
I agree 50/50. Having found out the results by accident takes away from the games since you know already if the front runner will win or if a crazy come back happens which isn't really exciting when you know its coming.
On April 23 2013 09:55 SKaysc wrote: agreed fionn needs to spoiler the results
pretty sure that is his guesses, dont see why a TL mod would openly spoil results
On April 23 2013 10:01 openbox1 wrote: jaedong control... is terrible.
it's fine. I dunno what you're smoking. Did you see him separate that one ling to take that widow mine hit at the nat?
Saw that and it was nice. But holding position his lings next to a bunch of marines, giving up his mutas for no reason, never pulling lings against mass hellbats/rines twice or thrice at 3rd base...
I understand he was trying to do lots of things at the same time, but where's the crisp control he shows in bw? This was really disappointing.
On April 23 2013 10:01 openbox1 wrote: jaedong control... is terrible.
it's fine. I dunno what you're smoking. Did you see him separate that one ling to take that widow mine hit at the nat?
Saw that and it was nice. But holding position his lings next to a bunch of marines, giving up his mutas for no reason, never pulling lings against mass hellbats/rines twice or thrice at 3rd base...
I understand he was trying to do lots of things at the same time, but where's the crisp control he shows in bw? This was really disappointing.
yes, the holding position next to the marines looked really bad. I think they were probably hotkeyed to his other army, thats why they were holding position. The muta thing looked really bad, I'll agree. Maybe latency or just him being tired? I honestly dunno. I just don't think you can jump to conclusions and say his control is terrible based of one series. Jaedong is known for his mechanics after all.
On April 23 2013 10:01 openbox1 wrote: jaedong control... is terrible.
it's fine. I dunno what you're smoking. Did you see him separate that one ling to take that widow mine hit at the nat?
Saw that and it was nice. But holding position his lings next to a bunch of marines, giving up his mutas for no reason, never pulling lings against mass hellbats/rines twice or thrice at 3rd base...
I understand he was trying to do lots of things at the same time, but where's the crisp control he shows in bw? This was really disappointing.
yes, the holding position next to the marines looked really bad. I think they were probably hotkeyed to his other army, thats why they were holding position. The muta thing looked really bad, I'll agree. Maybe latency or just him being tired? I honestly dunno. I just don't think you can jump to conclusions and say his control is terrible based of one series. Jaedong is known for his mechanics after all.
Yeah, I know he has great control. I mean he's the King of BW after all. Don't know what he's doing here against DeMuslim though. Its probably just really bad bad luck but it practically looks like he's throwing the two games.
On April 23 2013 10:01 openbox1 wrote: jaedong control... is terrible.
it's fine. I dunno what you're smoking. Did you see him separate that one ling to take that widow mine hit at the nat?
Saw that and it was nice. But holding position his lings next to a bunch of marines, giving up his mutas for no reason, never pulling lings against mass hellbats/rines twice or thrice at 3rd base...
I understand he was trying to do lots of things at the same time, but where's the crisp control he shows in bw? This was really disappointing.
yes, the holding position next to the marines looked really bad. I think they were probably hotkeyed to his other army, thats why they were holding position. The muta thing looked really bad, I'll agree. Maybe latency or just him being tired? I honestly dunno. I just don't think you can jump to conclusions and say his control is terrible based of one series. Jaedong is known for his mechanics after all.
Yeah, I know he has great control. I mean he's the King of BW after all. Don't know what he's doing here against DeMuslim though. Its probably just really bad bad luck but it practically looks like he's throwing the two games.
isnt he playing cross servers? maybe the lag spikes are bad for him.
On April 23 2013 10:01 openbox1 wrote: jaedong control... is terrible.
it's fine. I dunno what you're smoking. Did you see him separate that one ling to take that widow mine hit at the nat?
Saw that and it was nice. But holding position his lings next to a bunch of marines, giving up his mutas for no reason, never pulling lings against mass hellbats/rines twice or thrice at 3rd base...
I understand he was trying to do lots of things at the same time, but where's the crisp control he shows in bw? This was really disappointing.
yes, the holding position next to the marines looked really bad. I think they were probably hotkeyed to his other army, thats why they were holding position. The muta thing looked really bad, I'll agree. Maybe latency or just him being tired? I honestly dunno. I just don't think you can jump to conclusions and say his control is terrible based of one series. Jaedong is known for his mechanics after all.
Yeah, I know he has great control. I mean he's the King of BW after all. Don't know what he's doing here against DeMuslim though. Its probably just really bad bad luck but it practically looks like he's throwing the two games.
isnt he playing cross servers? maybe the lag spikes are bad for him.
Lag has hardly anything to do with his inability to attack move all banes into the crack between 2 bunkers.
On April 23 2013 10:01 openbox1 wrote: jaedong control... is terrible.
it's fine. I dunno what you're smoking. Did you see him separate that one ling to take that widow mine hit at the nat?
Saw that and it was nice. But holding position his lings next to a bunch of marines, giving up his mutas for no reason, never pulling lings against mass hellbats/rines twice or thrice at 3rd base...
I understand he was trying to do lots of things at the same time, but where's the crisp control he shows in bw? This was really disappointing.
yes, the holding position next to the marines looked really bad. I think they were probably hotkeyed to his other army, thats why they were holding position. The muta thing looked really bad, I'll agree. Maybe latency or just him being tired? I honestly dunno. I just don't think you can jump to conclusions and say his control is terrible based of one series. Jaedong is known for his mechanics after all.
Yeah, I know he has great control. I mean he's the King of BW after all. Don't know what he's doing here against DeMuslim though. Its probably just really bad bad luck but it practically looks like he's throwing the two games.
isnt he playing cross servers? maybe the lag spikes are bad for him.
I believe these games were played last night as well. So JD had been playing way into the early morning. He definitely didn't look as good as against Center.
On April 23 2013 10:01 openbox1 wrote: jaedong control... is terrible.
it's fine. I dunno what you're smoking. Did you see him separate that one ling to take that widow mine hit at the nat?
Saw that and it was nice. But holding position his lings next to a bunch of marines, giving up his mutas for no reason, never pulling lings against mass hellbats/rines twice or thrice at 3rd base...
I understand he was trying to do lots of things at the same time, but where's the crisp control he shows in bw? This was really disappointing.
yes, the holding position next to the marines looked really bad. I think they were probably hotkeyed to his other army, thats why they were holding position. The muta thing looked really bad, I'll agree. Maybe latency or just him being tired? I honestly dunno. I just don't think you can jump to conclusions and say his control is terrible based of one series. Jaedong is known for his mechanics after all.
Yeah, I know he has great control. I mean he's the King of BW after all. Don't know what he's doing here against DeMuslim though. Its probably just really bad bad luck but it practically looks like he's throwing the two games.
isnt he playing cross servers? maybe the lag spikes are bad for him.
Lag has hardly anything to do with his inability to attack move all banes into the crack between 2 bunkers.
If he had to play on the US server, then sure it did. Why doesnt Demuslim play at 6 am his time, into the Korean server instead?
On April 23 2013 10:02 RiceAgainst wrote: Dude, guys, Demuslim's good. One of the best, if not the best, foreigner Terran out there.
i second that. I also don't know any other good terran (don't say something stupid like goody now) that could remotely compete with koreans. Seems the terran race isn't made for foreigners
On April 23 2013 10:01 openbox1 wrote: jaedong control... is terrible.
it's fine. I dunno what you're smoking. Did you see him separate that one ling to take that widow mine hit at the nat?
Saw that and it was nice. But holding position his lings next to a bunch of marines, giving up his mutas for no reason, never pulling lings against mass hellbats/rines twice or thrice at 3rd base...
I understand he was trying to do lots of things at the same time, but where's the crisp control he shows in bw? This was really disappointing.
yes, the holding position next to the marines looked really bad. I think they were probably hotkeyed to his other army, thats why they were holding position. The muta thing looked really bad, I'll agree. Maybe latency or just him being tired? I honestly dunno. I just don't think you can jump to conclusions and say his control is terrible based of one series. Jaedong is known for his mechanics after all.
Yeah, I know he has great control. I mean he's the King of BW after all. Don't know what he's doing here against DeMuslim though. Its probably just really bad bad luck but it practically looks like he's throwing the two games.
isnt he playing cross servers? maybe the lag spikes are bad for him.
Lag has hardly anything to do with his inability to attack move all banes into the crack between 2 bunkers.
If he had to play on the US server, then sure it did. Why doesnt Demuslim play at 6 am his time, into the Korean server instead?
wouldn't this be the same? Sleeping habits and rhythm extremely affects you on a higher level of play
On April 23 2013 10:01 openbox1 wrote: jaedong control... is terrible.
it's fine. I dunno what you're smoking. Did you see him separate that one ling to take that widow mine hit at the nat?
Saw that and it was nice. But holding position his lings next to a bunch of marines, giving up his mutas for no reason, never pulling lings against mass hellbats/rines twice or thrice at 3rd base...
I understand he was trying to do lots of things at the same time, but where's the crisp control he shows in bw? This was really disappointing.
yes, the holding position next to the marines looked really bad. I think they were probably hotkeyed to his other army, thats why they were holding position. The muta thing looked really bad, I'll agree. Maybe latency or just him being tired? I honestly dunno. I just don't think you can jump to conclusions and say his control is terrible based of one series. Jaedong is known for his mechanics after all.
Yeah, I know he has great control. I mean he's the King of BW after all. Don't know what he's doing here against DeMuslim though. Its probably just really bad bad luck but it practically looks like he's throwing the two games.
isnt he playing cross servers? maybe the lag spikes are bad for him.
Lag has hardly anything to do with his inability to attack move all banes into the crack between 2 bunkers.
If he had to play on the US server, then sure it did. Why doesnt Demuslim play at 6 am his time, into the Korean server instead?
wouldn't this be the same? Sleeping habits and rhythm extremely affects you on a higher level of play
I think the argument is that JD seemed to perform significantly below par for him. Demuslim gets routinely clowned in tournaments by much lesser Zergs, so lag and poor time for the game might have affected JD significantly. Or maybe not.
On April 23 2013 10:01 openbox1 wrote: jaedong control... is terrible.
it's fine. I dunno what you're smoking. Did you see him separate that one ling to take that widow mine hit at the nat?
Saw that and it was nice. But holding position his lings next to a bunch of marines, giving up his mutas for no reason, never pulling lings against mass hellbats/rines twice or thrice at 3rd base...
I understand he was trying to do lots of things at the same time, but where's the crisp control he shows in bw? This was really disappointing.
yes, the holding position next to the marines looked really bad. I think they were probably hotkeyed to his other army, thats why they were holding position. The muta thing looked really bad, I'll agree. Maybe latency or just him being tired? I honestly dunno. I just don't think you can jump to conclusions and say his control is terrible based of one series. Jaedong is known for his mechanics after all.
Yeah, I know he has great control. I mean he's the King of BW after all. Don't know what he's doing here against DeMuslim though. Its probably just really bad bad luck but it practically looks like he's throwing the two games.
isnt he playing cross servers? maybe the lag spikes are bad for him.
Lag has hardly anything to do with his inability to attack move all banes into the crack between 2 bunkers.
If he had to play on the US server, then sure it did. Why doesnt Demuslim play at 6 am his time, into the Korean server instead?
wouldn't this be the same? Sleeping habits and rhythm extremely affects you on a higher level of play
I think the argument is that JD seemed to perform significantly below par for him. Demuslim gets routinely clowned in tournaments by much lesser Zergs, so lag and poor time for the game might have affected JD significantly. Or maybe not.
Jaedong has never been impressive apart from his zvz. Yeah, he beat Flash in Proleague, but was it a long straight up macro game ? It was just a baneling bust to punish Flash's greed which any pro level player is capable of doing.
On April 23 2013 10:01 openbox1 wrote: jaedong control... is terrible.
it's fine. I dunno what you're smoking. Did you see him separate that one ling to take that widow mine hit at the nat?
Saw that and it was nice. But holding position his lings next to a bunch of marines, giving up his mutas for no reason, never pulling lings against mass hellbats/rines twice or thrice at 3rd base...
I understand he was trying to do lots of things at the same time, but where's the crisp control he shows in bw? This was really disappointing.
yes, the holding position next to the marines looked really bad. I think they were probably hotkeyed to his other army, thats why they were holding position. The muta thing looked really bad, I'll agree. Maybe latency or just him being tired? I honestly dunno. I just don't think you can jump to conclusions and say his control is terrible based of one series. Jaedong is known for his mechanics after all.
Yeah, I know he has great control. I mean he's the King of BW after all. Don't know what he's doing here against DeMuslim though. Its probably just really bad bad luck but it practically looks like he's throwing the two games.
isnt he playing cross servers? maybe the lag spikes are bad for him.
Lag has hardly anything to do with his inability to attack move all banes into the crack between 2 bunkers.
If he had to play on the US server, then sure it did. Why doesnt Demuslim play at 6 am his time, into the Korean server instead?
On April 23 2013 10:02 RiceAgainst wrote: Dude, guys, Demuslim's good. One of the best, if not the best, foreigner Terran out there.
i second that. I also don't know any other good terran (don't say something stupid like goody now) that could remotely compete with koreans. Seems the terran race isn't made for foreigners
lucifron, kas, MajOr and thorzain are all very good terrans. I wouldn't call Demuslim the best since I would put Thorzain, MajOr or lucifron above him in any matchup any day. Also fun fact, if you dig through demuslim's vods, you can see at one point major was giving him advice on TvT in WoL.