At least mirror matches got a little better with expansion. Hopefully, NASL sound guy fixes the other issues and we should have at the very least, a mildly entertaining matchup.
On April 13 2013 12:18 jinorazi wrote: only one reason why i love proleague and not gstl: KOREAN STREAMUUUUUUU
The main reason I watch the Proleague English stream is because I'm at work, and my secretaries will look at me funny if Koreans keep screaming through my speakers.
On April 13 2013 12:18 jinorazi wrote: only one reason why i love proleague and not gstl: KOREAN STREAMUUUUUUU
The main reason I watch the Proleague English stream is because I'm at work, and my secretaries will look at me funny if Koreans keep screaming through my speakers.
On April 13 2013 12:18 jinorazi wrote: only one reason why i love proleague and not gstl: KOREAN STREAMUUUUUUU
The main reason I watch the Proleague English stream is because I'm at work, and my secretaries will look at me funny if Koreans keep screaming through my speakers.
On April 13 2013 12:18 jinorazi wrote: only one reason why i love proleague and not gstl: KOREAN STREAMUUUUUUU
The main reason I watch the Proleague English stream is because I'm at work, and my secretaries will look at me funny if Koreans keep screaming through my speakers.
how many of them do you have?
Two in the same office as me and three outside. Why
On April 13 2013 12:18 jinorazi wrote: only one reason why i love proleague and not gstl: KOREAN STREAMUUUUUUU
The main reason I watch the Proleague English stream is because I'm at work, and my secretaries will look at me funny if Koreans keep screaming through my speakers.
how many of them do you have?
Two in the same office as me and three outside. Why
On April 13 2013 12:18 jinorazi wrote: only one reason why i love proleague and not gstl: KOREAN STREAMUUUUUUU
The main reason I watch the Proleague English stream is because I'm at work, and my secretaries will look at me funny if Koreans keep screaming through my speakers.
how many of them do you have?
Two in the same office as me and three outside. Why
On April 13 2013 12:18 jinorazi wrote: only one reason why i love proleague and not gstl: KOREAN STREAMUUUUUUU
The main reason I watch the Proleague English stream is because I'm at work, and my secretaries will look at me funny if Koreans keep screaming through my speakers.
how many of them do you have?
Two in the same office as me and three outside. Why
On April 13 2013 12:23 Empirimancer wrote: The prevalence of mirror matchups is the worst thing about SPL. Even worse than the casters, and that's saying something.
If you find mirror boring or bad, the problem isn´t SPL. Maybe you should ask blizzard.
On April 13 2013 12:18 jinorazi wrote: only one reason why i love proleague and not gstl: KOREAN STREAMUUUUUUU
The main reason I watch the Proleague English stream is because I'm at work, and my secretaries will look at me funny if Koreans keep screaming through my speakers.
how many of them do you have?
Two in the same office as me and three outside. Why
only 5? what a chump.
Not enough for PL format
You do. Include yourself.
But I wanna be like Coach Park
Is Zest going to Immortal Sentry all in? This is all I do on ladder because I suck as Protoss. I really want to learn Stargate play but for some reason I've never won with it
On April 13 2013 12:23 Empirimancer wrote: The prevalence of mirror matchups is the worst thing about SPL. Even worse than the casters, and that's saying something.
If you find mirror boring or bad, the problem isn´t SPL. Maybe you should ask blizzard.
It's mostly because of the imba maps they use in PL.
The quality of the Proleague has been super shoddy. Sound is horrible and most of the time Korean casters are heard over the English ones. You can barely hear these guys speak over the game sounds and the crackling as it is. For such a high profile league I expected a lot more.
On April 13 2013 12:23 Empirimancer wrote: The prevalence of mirror matchups is the worst thing about SPL. Even worse than the casters, and that's saying something.
If you find mirror boring or bad, the problem isn´t SPL. Maybe you should ask blizzard.
It's mostly because of the imba maps they use in PL.
Yeah, i know why theres so many mirror in SPL. But i just enjoy the games, if zvz or pvp is bad and not like tvt, shame on blizzard.
On April 13 2013 12:34 lichter wrote: I feel like that was closer than it should have been
Yeah, I thought it would be a streamroll, but the last fight went really well for hope. Unfortunately roaches aren't going to cut it against immortal sentry.
On April 13 2013 12:23 Empirimancer wrote: The prevalence of mirror matchups is the worst thing about SPL. Even worse than the casters, and that's saying something.
If you find mirror boring or bad, the problem isn´t SPL. Maybe you should ask blizzard.
It's mostly because of the imba maps they use in PL.
Yeah, i know why theres so many mirror in SPL. But i just enjoy the games, if zvz or pvp is bad and not like tvt, shame on blizzard.
The crazy maps are one of the reasons I find it interesting though. For a round or two at least.
On April 13 2013 12:23 Empirimancer wrote: The prevalence of mirror matchups is the worst thing about SPL. Even worse than the casters, and that's saying something.
If you find mirror boring or bad, the problem isn´t SPL. Maybe you should ask blizzard.
It's mostly because of the imba maps they use in PL.
Yeah, i know why theres so many mirror in SPL. But i just enjoy the games, if zvz or pvp is bad and not like tvt, shame on blizzard.
zvz right now is basically sc:bw zvz which is...a sleep fest. PvP is still "i have 1 more unit so i win" wars
On April 13 2013 12:23 Empirimancer wrote: The prevalence of mirror matchups is the worst thing about SPL. Even worse than the casters, and that's saying something.
If you find mirror boring or bad, the problem isn´t SPL. Maybe you should ask blizzard.
It's mostly because of the imba maps they use in PL.
Yeah, i know why theres so many mirror in SPL. But i just enjoy the games, if zvz or pvp is bad and not like tvt, shame on blizzard.
The crazy maps are one of the reasons I find it interesting though. For a round or two at least.
Sure. Like arkanoid, after 2 rounds it becomes weird.
On April 13 2013 12:34 lichter wrote: I feel like that was closer than it should have been
Yeah, I thought it would be a streamroll, but the last fight went really well for hope. Unfortunately roaches aren't going to cut it against immortal sentry.
Wooki waited for so long that hOpe was able to build his roach count after over-droning. The over-droning before the push actually gave hOpe a chance because Wooki took so long to push into the third, and the economic boost and larva accumulation gave him a stronger army than he otherwise would have had. Wooki should have hallucinated a phoenix to scout the drone count so he would have known he could have pushed earlier.
On April 13 2013 12:34 lichter wrote: I feel like that was closer than it should have been
Yeah, I thought it would be a streamroll, but the last fight went really well for hope. Unfortunately roaches aren't going to cut it against immortal sentry.
Wooki waited for so long that hOpe was able to build his roach count after over-droning. The over-droning before the push actually gave hOpe a chance because Wooki took so long to push into the third, and the economic boost and larva accumulation gave him a stronger army than he otherwise would have had. Wooki should have hallucinated a phoenix to scout the drone count so he would have known he could have pushed earlier.
So i have a question. If hope had done like Life and said f* my 3rd, lets hold on natural. ????
tbh wooki's execution was horrible with almost no prism-micro whatsoever + his trademark offensive cannon which I simply don't get, the push is about hitting timings, cannon doesn't help much.
On April 13 2013 12:34 lichter wrote: I feel like that was closer than it should have been
Yeah, I thought it would be a streamroll, but the last fight went really well for hope. Unfortunately roaches aren't going to cut it against immortal sentry.
Wooki waited for so long that hOpe was able to build his roach count after over-droning. The over-droning before the push actually gave hOpe a chance because Wooki took so long to push into the third, and the economic boost and larva accumulation gave him a stronger army than he otherwise would have had. Wooki should have hallucinated a phoenix to scout the drone count so he would have known he could have pushed earlier.
So i have a question. If hope had done like Life and said f* my 3rd, lets hold on natural. ????
It's hard to hold immortal sentry when you let it get to your front door with the max amount of forcefields available. If hOpe had known earlier he would have made a round of speedlings to bait out forcefields and made more spines. Holding on to your natural is only ok if none of your drones die.
On April 13 2013 12:34 lichter wrote: I feel like that was closer than it should have been
Yeah, I thought it would be a streamroll, but the last fight went really well for hope. Unfortunately roaches aren't going to cut it against immortal sentry.
Wooki waited for so long that hOpe was able to build his roach count after over-droning. The over-droning before the push actually gave hOpe a chance because Wooki took so long to push into the third, and the economic boost and larva accumulation gave him a stronger army than he otherwise would have had. Wooki should have hallucinated a phoenix to scout the drone count so he would have known he could have pushed earlier.
So i have a question. If hope had done like Life and said f* my 3rd, lets hold on natural. ????
It's hard to hold immortal sentry when you let it get to your front door with the max amount of forcefields available. If hOpe had known earlier he would have made a round of speedlings to bait out forcefields and made more spines. Holding on to your natural is only ok if none of your drones die.
And wow, this is bad production
Ah ok. Btw, i find it funny when someone say the production is bad, because the korean one is really good. Idk why they don´t use the same proguction on both streams.
On April 13 2013 12:45 larse wrote: Oh god, when can this boring strategy just disappear. It hurts the viewer experience.
If it disappeared I'd probably never win any PvZs
shouldnt rely on the soultrain to win you pvzs all the time. its like how I used bunker rushes on close spawn meta and 1-1-1 in TvP to get to masters league. You do get lots of wins but you dont learn anything.
On April 13 2013 12:34 lichter wrote: I feel like that was closer than it should have been
Yeah, I thought it would be a streamroll, but the last fight went really well for hope. Unfortunately roaches aren't going to cut it against immortal sentry.
Wooki waited for so long that hOpe was able to build his roach count after over-droning. The over-droning before the push actually gave hOpe a chance because Wooki took so long to push into the third, and the economic boost and larva accumulation gave him a stronger army than he otherwise would have had. Wooki should have hallucinated a phoenix to scout the drone count so he would have known he could have pushed earlier.
So i have a question. If hope had done like Life and said f* my 3rd, lets hold on natural. ????
It's hard to hold immortal sentry when you let it get to your front door with the max amount of forcefields available. If hOpe had known earlier he would have made a round of speedlings to bait out forcefields and made more spines. Holding on to your natural is only ok if none of your drones die.
And wow, this is bad production
Ah ok. Btw, i find it funny when someone say the production is bad, because the korean one is really good. Idk why they don´t use the same proguction on both streams.
A mystery to me too. They usually do though. English stream usually also gets to see the recaps but for some reason all we got this time was the score screen.
On April 13 2013 12:34 lichter wrote: I feel like that was closer than it should have been
Yeah, I thought it would be a streamroll, but the last fight went really well for hope. Unfortunately roaches aren't going to cut it against immortal sentry.
Wooki waited for so long that hOpe was able to build his roach count after over-droning. The over-droning before the push actually gave hOpe a chance because Wooki took so long to push into the third, and the economic boost and larva accumulation gave him a stronger army than he otherwise would have had. Wooki should have hallucinated a phoenix to scout the drone count so he would have known he could have pushed earlier.
So i have a question. If hope had done like Life and said f* my 3rd, lets hold on natural. ????
It's hard to hold immortal sentry when you let it get to your front door with the max amount of forcefields available. If hOpe had known earlier he would have made a round of speedlings to bait out forcefields and made more spines. Holding on to your natural is only ok if none of your drones die.
And wow, this is bad production
Ah ok. Btw, i find it funny when someone say the production is bad, because the korean one is really good. Idk why they don´t use the same proguction on both streams.
A mystery to me too. They usually do though. English stream usually also gets to see the recaps but for some reason all we got this time was the score screen.
On April 13 2013 12:45 larse wrote: Oh god, when can this boring strategy just disappear. It hurts the viewer experience.
If it disappeared I'd probably never win any PvZs
shouldnt rely on the soultrain to win you pvzs all the time. its like how I used bunker rushes on close spawn meta and 1-1-1 in TvP to get to masters league. You do get lots of wins but you dont learn anything.
I used to do other strategies in WOL, but I haven't figured out P in Hots yet (I play random). I'd rather immortal sentry all in than turtle into colossus-VR deathball though. That shit's even more boring.
On April 13 2013 12:34 lichter wrote: I feel like that was closer than it should have been
Yeah, I thought it would be a streamroll, but the last fight went really well for hope. Unfortunately roaches aren't going to cut it against immortal sentry.
Wooki waited for so long that hOpe was able to build his roach count after over-droning. The over-droning before the push actually gave hOpe a chance because Wooki took so long to push into the third, and the economic boost and larva accumulation gave him a stronger army than he otherwise would have had. Wooki should have hallucinated a phoenix to scout the drone count so he would have known he could have pushed earlier.
So i have a question. If hope had done like Life and said f* my 3rd, lets hold on natural. ????
It's hard to hold immortal sentry when you let it get to your front door with the max amount of forcefields available. If hOpe had known earlier he would have made a round of speedlings to bait out forcefields and made more spines. Holding on to your natural is only ok if none of your drones die.
And wow, this is bad production
Ah ok. Btw, i find it funny when someone say the production is bad, because the korean one is really good. Idk why they don´t use the same proguction on both streams.
A mystery to me too. They usually do though. English stream usually also gets to see the recaps but for some reason all we got this time was the score screen.
The Korean Stream is really good It goes.. "player comments before game" "player introductions" "game" "player ceremonies if any" "replay analysis" "interview" "next game"
but I'm guessing the eng casters arent able to do the analysis that well since they dont even have the obs on their side and the interviews would be awkward.
On April 13 2013 12:34 lichter wrote: I feel like that was closer than it should have been
Yeah, I thought it would be a streamroll, but the last fight went really well for hope. Unfortunately roaches aren't going to cut it against immortal sentry.
Wooki waited for so long that hOpe was able to build his roach count after over-droning. The over-droning before the push actually gave hOpe a chance because Wooki took so long to push into the third, and the economic boost and larva accumulation gave him a stronger army than he otherwise would have had. Wooki should have hallucinated a phoenix to scout the drone count so he would have known he could have pushed earlier.
So i have a question. If hope had done like Life and said f* my 3rd, lets hold on natural. ????
It's hard to hold immortal sentry when you let it get to your front door with the max amount of forcefields available. If hOpe had known earlier he would have made a round of speedlings to bait out forcefields and made more spines. Holding on to your natural is only ok if none of your drones die.
And wow, this is bad production
Ah ok. Btw, i find it funny when someone say the production is bad, because the korean one is really good. Idk why they don´t use the same proguction on both streams.
A mystery to me too. They usually do though. English stream usually also gets to see the recaps but for some reason all we got this time was the score screen.
The Korean Stream is really good It goes.. "player comments before game" "player introductions" "game" "player ceremonies if any" "replay analysis" "interview" "next game"
but I'm guessing the eng casters arent able to do the analysis that well since they dont even have the obs on their side and the interviews would be awkward.
It's a little bit shocking when pros don't know the upgrade priority for mutas. I guess they don't have people doing math over on the KR forums like we do here ;o
On April 13 2013 13:02 LighT. wrote: Not enough terrans right now in SPL Recently: - no Canata - no Piano - Sea retired - Leta switched - snOw switched - no Hiya
Terrans playing this week: 9 Zergs playing this week: 16 Protoss playing this week: 21
Well Piano joined Stars recently so maybe we will see more of him in the future.
On April 13 2013 13:06 EleanorRIgby wrote: muta vs muta in sc2 is sooooo bad compared to muta/scourge vs muta/scourge in bw
Scourge would be so good in sc2. It would make ZvZ more interesting and micro-intensive, you could use them against skytoss and colossus and get rid of the silly abduct ability from the viper. TvT might be a problem though; using scourge to take out vikings would make infestor broodlord pretty effective.
On April 13 2013 13:07 LighT. wrote: You know what would be really cool for these muta wars? A zerg unit that does splash air damage and explodes on impact..
On April 13 2013 13:06 EleanorRIgby wrote: muta vs muta in sc2 is sooooo bad compared to muta/scourge vs muta/scourge in bw
Scourge would be so good in sc2. It would make ZvZ more interesting and micro-intensive, you could use them against skytoss and colossus and get rid of the silly abduct ability from the viper. TvT might be a problem though; using scourge to take out vikings would make infestor broodlord pretty effective.
On April 13 2013 13:03 Taipoka wrote: lol. 100000000 muthas. no micro.
No point Microing mutas would probably make you lose >.>
there is some "micro", e.g. you can prevent some mutas from hitting opponent's reinforcement - they appear from the flank and often attacking them results in no splash damage dealt because they're too far from the main mutaball.
On April 13 2013 13:06 EleanorRIgby wrote: muta vs muta in sc2 is sooooo bad compared to muta/scourge vs muta/scourge in bw
Scourge would be so good in sc2. It would make ZvZ more interesting and micro-intensive, you could use them against skytoss and colossus and get rid of the silly abduct ability from the viper. TvT might be a problem though; using scourge to take out vikings would make infestor broodlord pretty effective.
I'd be happy if they just used the idea that the unit was coded to be locked to the ZvZ matchup. I'd actually look forward to ZvZ then.
On April 13 2013 13:06 EleanorRIgby wrote: muta vs muta in sc2 is sooooo bad compared to muta/scourge vs muta/scourge in bw
Scourge would be so good in sc2. It would make ZvZ more interesting and micro-intensive, you could use them against skytoss and colossus and get rid of the silly abduct ability from the viper. TvT might be a problem though; using scourge to take out vikings would make infestor broodlord pretty effective.
You got marines to take em out though
Scourge vs Medivacs would be pretty sad. Just place them on the edges of the map.
On April 13 2013 13:06 EleanorRIgby wrote: muta vs muta in sc2 is sooooo bad compared to muta/scourge vs muta/scourge in bw
Scourge would be so good in sc2. It would make ZvZ more interesting and micro-intensive, you could use them against skytoss and colossus and get rid of the silly abduct ability from the viper. TvT might be a problem though; using scourge to take out vikings would make infestor broodlord pretty effective.
I'd be happy if they just used the idea that the unit was coded to be locked to the ZvZ matchup. I'd actually look forward to ZvZ then.
that would be lame lol, a better and similar solution is to give it low damage with a good +bonus to biological
On April 13 2013 13:03 Taipoka wrote: lol. 100000000 muthas. no micro.
No point Microing mutas would probably make you lose >.>
Isn't this kind of why infestors would still help, even though fungals are dodged? Just by forcing mutas to move? Even Infested Terrans would press a player away from a position.
You know you're a little behind your opponent, so why throw into a muta engagement and just hope by some miracle you're ahead and don't lose half your flock? With an infestor, you can defend with some spores, so that even if they can dodge the fungal, the enemy mutas are still going to take punishment just for moving, which buys you some time ands avoid an engagement that you're going to lose.
I just don't understand seeing these completely predictable and game-ending muta battles. The KHAN player knew he was probably behind due to the early game, why just roll with the bad odds? At least try a fungal.
On April 13 2013 13:07 LighT. wrote: You know what would be really cool for these muta wars? A zerg unit that does splash air damage and explodes on impact..
like flying banelings?
Widow mines.
EDIT: Where's MINDMINDMIND during the ad break? It feels wrong.
On April 13 2013 13:03 Taipoka wrote: lol. 100000000 muthas. no micro.
No point Microing mutas would probably make you lose >.>
Isn't this kind of why infestors would still help?
You know you're a little behind your opponent, so why throw into a muta engagement and just hope by some miracle you're ahead and don't lose half your flock? With an infestor, you can defend with some spores, so that even if they can dodge the fungal, the enemy mutas are still going to take punishment just for moving, which buys you some time ands avoid an engagement that you're going to lose.
I just don't understand seeing these completely predictable and game-ending muta battles
the "i automatically lose" timing window is too big if switching to infestors.
I hope Prime disbands and all the terrans join up into Kespa teams (byun/maru/MKP) It makes me one sad panda to know EG-TL has 1 terran available KT has 1 decent terran Samsung has 1 decent terran SKT has 1 decent terran with 0 back up.
Then you look at their protoss/zerg line ups.. EG-TL: 3 zergs 3 protoss KT: 2 zergs 3 protoss Samsung: 3 zerg 3 protoss SKT: 3 zerg 5 protoss
On April 13 2013 13:16 LighT. wrote: I hope Prime disbands and all the terrans join up into Kespa teams (byun/maru/MKP) It makes me one sad panda to know EG-TL has 1 terran available KT has 1 decent terran Samsung has 1 decent terran SKT has 1 decent terran with 0 back up.
Then you look at their protoss/zerg line ups.. EG-TL: 3 zergs 3 protoss KT: 2 zergs 3 protoss Samsung: 3 zerg 3 protoss SKT: 3 zerg 5 protoss
On April 13 2013 13:07 LighT. wrote: You know what would be really cool for these muta wars? A zerg unit that does splash air damage and explodes on impact..
like flying banelings?
Widow mines.
EDIT: Where's MINDMINDMIND during the ad break? It feels wrong.
On April 13 2013 13:16 LighT. wrote: I hope Prime disbands and all the terrans join up into Kespa teams (byun/maru/MKP) It makes me one sad panda to know EG-TL has 1 terran available KT has 1 decent terran Samsung has 1 decent terran SKT has 1 decent terran with 0 back up.
Then you look at their protoss/zerg line ups.. EG-TL: 3 zergs 3 protoss KT: 2 zergs 3 protoss Samsung: 3 zerg 3 protoss SKT: 3 zerg 5 protoss
Which is weird because terran is supposed to need more APM and better mouse control for army.
On April 13 2013 13:03 Taipoka wrote: lol. 100000000 muthas. no micro.
No point Microing mutas would probably make you lose >.>
Isn't this kind of why infestors would still help?
You know you're a little behind your opponent, so why throw into a muta engagement and just hope by some miracle you're ahead and don't lose half your flock? With an infestor, you can defend with some spores, so that even if they can dodge the fungal, the enemy mutas are still going to take punishment just for moving, which buys you some time ands avoid an engagement that you're going to lose.
I just don't understand seeing these completely predictable and game-ending muta battles
the "i automatically lose" timing window is too big if switching to infestors.
I think if you defend with spores it's definitely do-able.
On April 13 2013 13:16 LighT. wrote: I hope Prime disbands and all the terrans join up into Kespa teams (byun/maru/MKP) It makes me one sad panda to know EG-TL has 1 terran available KT has 1 decent terran Samsung has 1 decent terran SKT has 1 decent terran with 0 back up.
Then you look at their protoss/zerg line ups.. EG-TL: 3 zergs 3 protoss KT: 2 zergs 3 protoss Samsung: 3 zerg 3 protoss SKT: 3 zerg 5 protoss
If it was PvZ it'd be good.
But all those mirrors fucking hell WHY.
I've never seen the studio that dead god damn.
EG-TL would have 2 if Taeja didn't have the injuries...
On April 13 2013 13:16 LighT. wrote: I hope Prime disbands and all the terrans join up into Kespa teams (byun/maru/MKP) It makes me one sad panda to know EG-TL has 1 terran available KT has 1 decent terran Samsung has 1 decent terran SKT has 1 decent terran with 0 back up.
Then you look at their protoss/zerg line ups.. EG-TL: 3 zergs 3 protoss KT: 2 zergs 3 protoss Samsung: 3 zerg 3 protoss SKT: 3 zerg 5 protoss
If it was PvZ it'd be good.
But all those mirrors fucking hell WHY.
I've never seen the studio that dead god damn.
EG-TL would have 2 if Taeja didn't have the injuries...
the other 4 teams have 2 terrans. There's not a single team that can competitively field 3 terrans in SPL. How pitiful is that??
On April 13 2013 13:16 LighT. wrote: I hope Prime disbands and all the terrans join up into Kespa teams (byun/maru/MKP) It makes me one sad panda to know EG-TL has 1 terran available KT has 1 decent terran Samsung has 1 decent terran SKT has 1 decent terran with 0 back up.
Then you look at their protoss/zerg line ups.. EG-TL: 3 zergs 3 protoss KT: 2 zergs 3 protoss Samsung: 3 zerg 3 protoss SKT: 3 zerg 5 protoss
If it was PvZ it'd be good.
But all those mirrors fucking hell WHY.
I've never seen the studio that dead god damn.
EG-TL would have 2 if Taeja didn't have the injuries...
the other 4 teams have 2 terrans. There's not a single team that can field 3 terrans in SPL. How pitiful is that??
1. Solve the mech problem 2. Hope that oov comes back to esports after military
On April 13 2013 13:16 LighT. wrote: I hope Prime disbands and all the terrans join up into Kespa teams (byun/maru/MKP) It makes me one sad panda to know EG-TL has 1 terran available KT has 1 decent terran Samsung has 1 decent terran SKT has 1 decent terran with 0 back up.
Then you look at their protoss/zerg line ups.. EG-TL: 3 zergs 3 protoss KT: 2 zergs 3 protoss Samsung: 3 zerg 3 protoss SKT: 3 zerg 5 protoss
If it was PvZ it'd be good.
But all those mirrors fucking hell WHY.
I've never seen the studio that dead god damn.
EG-TL would have 2 if Taeja didn't have the injuries...
the other 4 teams have 2 terrans. There's not a single team that can field 3 terrans in SPL. How pitiful is that??
1. Solve the mech problem 2. Hope that oov comes back to esports after military
They had the solution to the mech. Warhounds. Except they made them too strong.
On April 13 2013 13:16 LighT. wrote: I hope Prime disbands and all the terrans join up into Kespa teams (byun/maru/MKP) It makes me one sad panda to know EG-TL has 1 terran available KT has 1 decent terran Samsung has 1 decent terran SKT has 1 decent terran with 0 back up.
Then you look at their protoss/zerg line ups.. EG-TL: 3 zergs 3 protoss KT: 2 zergs 3 protoss Samsung: 3 zerg 3 protoss SKT: 3 zerg 5 protoss
If it was PvZ it'd be good.
But all those mirrors fucking hell WHY.
I've never seen the studio that dead god damn.
EG-TL would have 2 if Taeja didn't have the injuries...
the other 4 teams have 2 terrans. There's not a single team that can field 3 terrans in SPL. How pitiful is that??
1. Solve the mech problem 2. Hope that oov comes back to esports after military
They had the solution to the mech. Warhounds. Except they made them too strong.
i had this dream where every race got 2 new units after a patch and terran got this neo-warhound that looked like a gundam and was as fast as hellions but couldn't be dropped. it was OP.
On April 13 2013 13:03 Taipoka wrote: lol. 100000000 muthas. no micro.
No point Microing mutas would probably make you lose >.>
Isn't this kind of why infestors would still help?
You know you're a little behind your opponent, so why throw into a muta engagement and just hope by some miracle you're ahead and don't lose half your flock? With an infestor, you can defend with some spores, so that even if they can dodge the fungal, the enemy mutas are still going to take punishment just for moving, which buys you some time ands avoid an engagement that you're going to lose.
I just don't understand seeing these completely predictable and game-ending muta battles
the "i automatically lose" timing window is too big if switching to infestors.
I think if you defend with spores it's definitely do-able.
soo vs curious on daybreak is a good example, soo went infestors and curious had like double the amount of soo's mutas for a five minutes, spores wouldn't have helped.
On April 13 2013 13:30 larse wrote: SPL and GSTL need to be combined. Two team leagues happen and broadcast at the same time. Both studios are empty as hell.
But last week we had a half house (thats like a full house in sc2) on the same timeslot. But yeah, I agree generally.
On April 13 2013 13:33 LighT. wrote: to be quite frank.. Its Azubu vs NsHso.. NsHso has like..4 fans in total. Azubu is little known players outside of Supernova and Violet
I have no idkea why nobody is watching Samsung/KT though.. Jangbi/Stork/Flash you'd think would draw ratings
On April 13 2013 13:34 Kieofire wrote: Honestly tonight just feels like one of those dead nights in general, even the LR threads are moving super slow tonight.
I wouldnt expect much from a saturday @ 06.30AM in most european countries atm rofl
On April 13 2013 13:03 Taipoka wrote: lol. 100000000 muthas. no micro.
No point Microing mutas would probably make you lose >.>
Isn't this kind of why infestors would still help?
You know you're a little behind your opponent, so why throw into a muta engagement and just hope by some miracle you're ahead and don't lose half your flock? With an infestor, you can defend with some spores, so that even if they can dodge the fungal, the enemy mutas are still going to take punishment just for moving, which buys you some time ands avoid an engagement that you're going to lose.
I just don't understand seeing these completely predictable and game-ending muta battles
the "i automatically lose" timing window is too big if switching to infestors.
I think if you defend with spores it's definitely do-able.
soo vs curious on daybreak is a good example, soo went infestors and curious had like double the amount of soo's mutas for a five minutes, spores wouldn't have helped.
To make two infestors would cost about 600 gas, yeah?
On April 13 2013 13:34 Kieofire wrote: Honestly tonight just feels like one of those dead nights in general, even the LR threads are moving super slow tonight.
I wouldnt expect much from a saturday @ 06.30AM in most european countries atm rofl
Euros not willing to get up early are killing esports.
On April 13 2013 13:34 Kieofire wrote: Honestly tonight just feels like one of those dead nights in general, even the LR threads are moving super slow tonight.
I wouldnt expect much from a saturday @ 06.30AM in most european countries atm rofl
Good point. Even for me here in Brasil its late 1:38. This time is just for ASIA/NA
On April 13 2013 13:34 Kieofire wrote: Honestly tonight just feels like one of those dead nights in general, even the LR threads are moving super slow tonight.
I wouldnt expect much from a saturday @ 06.30AM in most european countries atm rofl
Euros not willing to get up early are killing esports.
Them people from african nations never watch/support esports. I blame those guys.
On April 13 2013 13:34 Kieofire wrote: Honestly tonight just feels like one of those dead nights in general, even the LR threads are moving super slow tonight.
I wouldnt expect much from a saturday @ 06.30AM in most european countries atm rofl
Euros not willing to get up early are killing esports.
Them people from african nations never watch/support esports. I blame those guys.
On April 13 2013 13:03 Taipoka wrote: lol. 100000000 muthas. no micro.
No point Microing mutas would probably make you lose >.>
Isn't this kind of why infestors would still help?
You know you're a little behind your opponent, so why throw into a muta engagement and just hope by some miracle you're ahead and don't lose half your flock? With an infestor, you can defend with some spores, so that even if they can dodge the fungal, the enemy mutas are still going to take punishment just for moving, which buys you some time ands avoid an engagement that you're going to lose.
I just don't understand seeing these completely predictable and game-ending muta battles
the "i automatically lose" timing window is too big if switching to infestors.
I think if you defend with spores it's definitely do-able.
soo vs curious on daybreak is a good example, soo went infestors and curious had like double the amount of soo's mutas for a five minutes, spores wouldn't have helped.
To make two infestors would cost about 600 gas, yeah?
could you just watch the game so we don't have this stupid argument?
Why does it always happen to Flash? Even in MLG he's the only one who suffered Bnet issues. It happened 3 FREAKIN TIMES. And now a 4th. He must be ****ed
On April 13 2013 13:56 LighT. wrote: Why does it always happen to Flash? Even in MLG he's the only one who suffered Bnet issues. It happened 3 FREAKIN TIMES. And now a 4th. He must be ****ed
On April 13 2013 13:56 LighT. wrote: Why does it always happen to Flash? Even in MLG he's the only one who suffered Bnet issues. It happened 3 FREAKIN TIMES. And now a 4th. He must be ****ed
most be annoying to have this happen, wouldnt u lose like concentration, like when you get really into the game and ur like "in sync with the game pace" poor flash and reality (more so flash, causes hes winning)
On April 13 2013 13:58 trifecta wrote: when will blizz (and other gaming companies) realize that always-on DRM is retarded.
According to Artosis Blizzard actually loses money on Starcraft 2 so I understand them wanting to make sure everyone at least pays for their game at all costs.
On April 13 2013 13:58 trifecta wrote: when will blizz (and other gaming companies) realize that always-on DRM is retarded.
According to Artosis Blizzard actually loses money on Starcraft 2 so I understand them wanting to make sure everyone at least pays for their game at all costs.
Artosis also said that more people watch sc2 than NHL, so who knows.
On April 13 2013 13:59 LighT. wrote: theres actually a bit of a crowd.. like 1/4 full... still something I guess..
Actually according to people there, apparently they are at the back standing, avoiding cameras.
Whats your source? So theres alot of people there?
That's always the case, unless it's totally dead.
They usually dont try to sit on the weekdays because it indicates theyre skipping. No reasons not to sit on the weekends though.... Meh....I saw that old tie-game between Flash/Jangbi..made me one sad panda seeing the crowds we have now.
On April 13 2013 13:58 trifecta wrote: when will blizz (and other gaming companies) realize that always-on DRM is retarded.
According to Artosis Blizzard actually loses money on Starcraft 2 so I understand them wanting to make sure everyone at least pays for their game at all costs.
I think they can trust a few tournaments with a LAN client at least.
On April 13 2013 13:58 trifecta wrote: when will blizz (and other gaming companies) realize that always-on DRM is retarded.
According to Artosis Blizzard actually loses money on Starcraft 2 so I understand them wanting to make sure everyone at least pays for their game at all costs.
I think they can trust a few tournaments with a LAN client at least.
On April 13 2013 14:05 AgentW wrote: I just tuned in. What's happening here? Dropped game?
flash destroyed most of reality's main army in the middle of the map. He then gets disconnected from the game. Refs are discussing what to do. They're strongly considering a rematch
On April 13 2013 13:58 trifecta wrote: when will blizz (and other gaming companies) realize that always-on DRM is retarded.
According to Artosis Blizzard actually loses money on Starcraft 2 so I understand them wanting to make sure everyone at least pays for their game at all costs.
Artosis also said that more people watch sc2 than NHL, so who knows.
The situation according to KR commentators. Monitors are off so the players dont see the replays. Once the monitors are turned on. The game will resume.
On April 13 2013 13:58 trifecta wrote: when will blizz (and other gaming companies) realize that always-on DRM is retarded.
According to Artosis Blizzard actually loses money on Starcraft 2 so I understand them wanting to make sure everyone at least pays for their game at all costs.
I think they can trust a few tournaments with a LAN client at least.
Like they trusted LAN with Kespa for SC:BW Lol...
Bring temporary LAN from a Blizzard employee with a full on guard.
On April 13 2013 13:58 trifecta wrote: when will blizz (and other gaming companies) realize that always-on DRM is retarded.
According to Artosis Blizzard actually loses money on Starcraft 2 so I understand them wanting to make sure everyone at least pays for their game at all costs.
Artosis also said that more people watch sc2 than NHL, so who knows.
do you really believe that crap?
No - the point I was making is that Artosis is a less reliable source (because NHL is obviously far more popular than sc2), so it's worth being sceptical of his claim that Blizzard loses money on SC2.
Take command really fucked Flash hard. The situation they were in, the extra time was infinitely more beneficial to Reality. With the bio force, what he had to do next was much more open to options, he had time to figure out what the best one was. Flashes mech force doesn't have many choices, it's pretty much barrel forward and power through. Really shitty this happened, but I guess it's mildly better than a regame.
On April 13 2013 14:11 MinzySC2 wrote: Take command really fucked Flash hard. The situation they were in, the extra time was infinitely more beneficial to Reality. With the bio force, what he had to do next was much more open to options, he had time to figure out what the best one was. Flashes mech force doesn't have many choices, it's pretty much barrel forward and power through. Really shitty this happened, but I guess it's mildly better than a regame.
I don't understand why they didnt just take the players out of booths, insta-reload from replay and go? It could have been up in what, 90 seconds? Not like more than 10 minutes
On April 13 2013 13:58 trifecta wrote: when will blizz (and other gaming companies) realize that always-on DRM is retarded.
According to Artosis Blizzard actually loses money on Starcraft 2 so I understand them wanting to make sure everyone at least pays for their game at all costs.
Artosis also said that more people watch sc2 than NHL, so who knows.
do you really believe that crap?
No - the point I was making is that Artosis is a less reliable source (because NHL is obviously far more popular than sc2)
That actually comes from Executive VP of Global Publishing, Itzik Ben-Bassa:
i know that was from a computer issue, but i don't know why blizzard can't at least have LAN clients for competitions.it can't be that bad or hard to do- even riot games has a tournament realm for all of their offline competitions and LCS.
On April 13 2013 14:11 MinzySC2 wrote: Take command really fucked Flash hard. The situation they were in, the extra time was infinitely more beneficial to Reality. With the bio force, what he had to do next was much more open to options, he had time to figure out what the best one was. Flashes mech force doesn't have many choices, it's pretty much barrel forward and power through. Really shitty this happened, but I guess it's mildly better than a regame.
I don't understand why they didnt just take the players out of booths, insta-reload from replay and go? It could have been up in what, 90 seconds? Not like more than 10 minutes
Yeah no kidding. That should not have taken so much time. What a terrible ending to a pretty good game.
On April 13 2013 14:13 HolyArrow wrote: Yay! I wanna see Jangbi play
I wonder how many people would be claiming that Flash deserved the win right now if resume from replay didn't exist.
Read some of the posts people already are saying that resume from replay is why flash lost LOL.
Look, maybe Flash was going to lose anyway (he was way behind in economy), but you have to admit that resume from replay greatly disadvantaged him. His greatest asset bar none is his impeccable game sense and improvisation, but if you give another player a good 10 minutes to reflect upon what to do, it evens the field out.
I do not understand why they did not recover game instead of doing the resume from replay. And what made it unfair? Did they resume sometime earlier than when the DC happened?
On April 13 2013 14:13 suicideyear wrote: i know that was from a computer issue, but i don't know why blizzard can't at least have LAN clients for competitions.it can't be that bad or hard to do- even riot games has a tournament realm for all of their offline competitions and LCS.
On April 13 2013 14:13 HolyArrow wrote: Yay! I wanna see Jangbi play
I wonder how many people would be claiming that Flash deserved the win right now if resume from replay didn't exist.
Read some of the posts people already are saying that resume from replay is why flash lost LOL.
Look, maybe Flash was going to lose anyway (he was way behind in economy), but you have to admit that resume from replay greatly disadvantaged him. His greatest asset bar none is his impeccable game sense and improvisation, but if you give another player a good 10 minutes to reflect upon what to do, it evens the field out.
Yeah your point is valid. I still think it's better than not being able to resume from replay at all, though.
On April 13 2013 14:13 larse wrote: I guess the whole goal of making mech viable in HOTS during the entire period of beta is turning out very well.
yeah right
Mech in SC2 will always have a question mark as long as tanks are weaker than they were in BW and as long as there are units such as the marauder.
I felt when they nerfed them in the start of WoL that it was good, but now with all the other changes they should maybe buff them back to make mech more viable--unless someone comes up with some good mech strategy.
On April 13 2013 14:16 The Devastator wrote: I do not understand why they did not recover game instead of doing the resume from replay. And what made it unfair? Did they resume sometime earlier than when the DC happened?
That is what I am unsure of to. They must not realize that right clicking replay - recover from game - put in time and resume from there and you don't have to turn off monitors and stuff.
On April 13 2013 14:13 HolyArrow wrote: Yay! I wanna see Jangbi play
I wonder how many people would be claiming that Flash deserved the win right now if resume from replay didn't exist.
Read some of the posts people already are saying that resume from replay is why flash lost LOL.
Look, maybe Flash was going to lose anyway (he was way behind in economy), but you have to admit that resume from replay greatly disadvantaged him. His greatest asset bar none is his impeccable game sense and improvisation, but if you give another player a good 10 minutes to reflect upon what to do, it evens the field out.
Not to sound like a fanboy, but I agree with LightSpectra here.
On April 13 2013 14:13 HolyArrow wrote: Yay! I wanna see Jangbi play
I wonder how many people would be claiming that Flash deserved the win right now if resume from replay didn't exist.
Read some of the posts people already are saying that resume from replay is why flash lost LOL.
Look, maybe Flash was going to lose anyway (he was way behind in economy), but you have to admit that resume from replay greatly disadvantaged him. His greatest asset bar none is his impeccable game sense and improvisation, but if you give another player a good 10 minutes to reflect upon what to do, it evens the field out.
Yeah your point is valid. I still think it's better than not being able to resume from replay at all, though.
On April 13 2013 14:11 Lysanias wrote: And that's why Reallity is on my fantasy team whoho.
lol, he lost both his matches last week. u shouldnt be proud of it^^
True that was vs innovation wich is also in my fantasy team and well Rain any one can lose to, he's very solid in general, and i am sure he's going to worth my team in the coming weeks.
On April 13 2013 14:14 Brobe wrote: Flash was down 20+ supply right before the disconnect. So what happened is exactly what I expected.
Thats fine coz he was mech-ing and most of those supply is from the scv's he pulled from his nat when reality tried a runby. What lost flash the game was when he tried to split the map when he was outside reality's fourth. He tried to bring 3-4 tanks to the upperside so he can box reality to his side of the map but unfortunately reality had a small bio army going there and flash 3-4 tanks were killed for nothing, spreading him too thin.
On April 13 2013 14:13 HolyArrow wrote: Yay! I wanna see Jangbi play
I wonder how many people would be claiming that Flash deserved the win right now if resume from replay didn't exist.
Read some of the posts people already are saying that resume from replay is why flash lost LOL.
Look, maybe Flash was going to lose anyway (he was way behind in economy), but you have to admit that resume from replay greatly disadvantaged him. His greatest asset bar none is his impeccable game sense and improvisation, but if you give another player a good 10 minutes to reflect upon what to do, it evens the field out.
Yeah your point is valid. I still think it's better than not being able to resume from replay at all, though.
Why can't there just be fucking LAN
Just wondering, how exactly would LAN save you from crashing computer?
btw, most of the disconnects that happened to SC2 were not afflicted by LAN at all. Problem with not having LAN is lagging in games, not disconnects...
I would say that at this point, it seems like Blizzard doesn't actually want Tank-focused strategies to be competitively powerful. That is really the only reason I can think of that they would keep "looking at mech" without actually attempting to make the Siege Tank stronger (and actually making it worse with other additions, like the Viper).
I actually put Flash on my anti team, so far it's perfect choice. I felt some kind of temp slump incoming and I was right about it. I think it's not over yet.
On April 13 2013 14:13 HolyArrow wrote: Yay! I wanna see Jangbi play
I wonder how many people would be claiming that Flash deserved the win right now if resume from replay didn't exist.
Read some of the posts people already are saying that resume from replay is why flash lost LOL.
Look, maybe Flash was going to lose anyway (he was way behind in economy), but you have to admit that resume from replay greatly disadvantaged him. His greatest asset bar none is his impeccable game sense and improvisation, but if you give another player a good 10 minutes to reflect upon what to do, it evens the field out.
Yeah your point is valid. I still think it's better than not being able to resume from replay at all, though.
Why can't there just be fucking LAN
Having LAN would be great but I am not sure if this situation is really BNET or hardware prblem. If it's the latter then LAN won't help.
On April 13 2013 14:13 HolyArrow wrote: Yay! I wanna see Jangbi play
I wonder how many people would be claiming that Flash deserved the win right now if resume from replay didn't exist.
Read some of the posts people already are saying that resume from replay is why flash lost LOL.
Look, maybe Flash was going to lose anyway (he was way behind in economy), but you have to admit that resume from replay greatly disadvantaged him. His greatest asset bar none is his impeccable game sense and improvisation, but if you give another player a good 10 minutes to reflect upon what to do, it evens the field out.
Yeah your point is valid. I still think it's better than not being able to resume from replay at all, though.
Why can't there just be fucking LAN
Just wondering, how exactly would LAN save you from crashing computer?
btw, most of the disconnects that happened to SC2 were not afflicted by LAN at all. Problem with not having LAN is lagging in games, not disconnects...
Well that's interesting, the only BW game interruption that I can recall was the power surge that crashed Jaedong vs. Flash, but I can think of half a dozen disconnects in pro SC2.
On April 13 2013 14:20 M.R. McThundercrotch wrote: I would say that at this point, it seems like Blizzard doesn't actually want Tank-focused strategies to be competitively powerful. That is really the only reason I can think of that they would keep "looking at mech" without actually attempting to make the Siege Tank stronger (and actually making it worse with other additions, like the Viper).
Mech would be much more viable with a goliath/warhound type of unit. feel lie thats whats its missing. Thor doesnt cut it...actually the thor is a joke.
On April 13 2013 14:13 HolyArrow wrote: Yay! I wanna see Jangbi play
I wonder how many people would be claiming that Flash deserved the win right now if resume from replay didn't exist.
Read some of the posts people already are saying that resume from replay is why flash lost LOL.
Look, maybe Flash was going to lose anyway (he was way behind in economy), but you have to admit that resume from replay greatly disadvantaged him. His greatest asset bar none is his impeccable game sense and improvisation, but if you give another player a good 10 minutes to reflect upon what to do, it evens the field out.
Yeah your point is valid. I still think it's better than not being able to resume from replay at all, though.
Why can't there just be fucking LAN
Having LAN would be great but I am not sure if this situation is really BNET or hardware prblem. If it's the latter then LAN won't help.
lan also helps with latency, better feel of the game
On April 13 2013 14:13 HolyArrow wrote: Yay! I wanna see Jangbi play
I wonder how many people would be claiming that Flash deserved the win right now if resume from replay didn't exist.
Read some of the posts people already are saying that resume from replay is why flash lost LOL.
Look, maybe Flash was going to lose anyway (he was way behind in economy), but you have to admit that resume from replay greatly disadvantaged him. His greatest asset bar none is his impeccable game sense and improvisation, but if you give another player a good 10 minutes to reflect upon what to do, it evens the field out.
Not to sound like a fanboy, but I agree with LightSpectra here.
Something else to note is that Flash was the one pushing and Reality is defending. You interrupt the guy attacking mid-push, you obviously break whatever momentum he had. A pause for the guy defending is actually advantageous because whatever disorienting panic he had while defending goes away and he regains composure.
On April 13 2013 14:13 HolyArrow wrote: Yay! I wanna see Jangbi play
I wonder how many people would be claiming that Flash deserved the win right now if resume from replay didn't exist.
Read some of the posts people already are saying that resume from replay is why flash lost LOL.
Look, maybe Flash was going to lose anyway (he was way behind in economy), but you have to admit that resume from replay greatly disadvantaged him. His greatest asset bar none is his impeccable game sense and improvisation, but if you give another player a good 10 minutes to reflect upon what to do, it evens the field out.
Yeah your point is valid. I still think it's better than not being able to resume from replay at all, though.
Why can't there just be fucking LAN
Having LAN would be great but I am not sure if this situation is really BNET or hardware prblem. If it's the latter then LAN won't help.
They changed the whole computer. Clearly a HW problem. Also, if it would be internet problem, you would have noticed lagging in game AND there would not be immediate disconnect, it would go into countdown screen, worked for few secs, countdown again etc etc... People always screaming "LAN" but none of them actually think about that...
On April 13 2013 14:13 HolyArrow wrote: Yay! I wanna see Jangbi play
I wonder how many people would be claiming that Flash deserved the win right now if resume from replay didn't exist.
Read some of the posts people already are saying that resume from replay is why flash lost LOL.
Look, maybe Flash was going to lose anyway (he was way behind in economy), but you have to admit that resume from replay greatly disadvantaged him. His greatest asset bar none is his impeccable game sense and improvisation, but if you give another player a good 10 minutes to reflect upon what to do, it evens the field out.
Yeah your point is valid. I still think it's better than not being able to resume from replay at all, though.
Why can't there just be fucking LAN
Just wondering, how exactly would LAN save you from crashing computer?
btw, most of the disconnects that happened to SC2 were not afflicted by LAN at all. Problem with not having LAN is lagging in games, not disconnects...
Well that's interesting, the only BW game interruption that I can recall was the power surge that crashed Jaedong vs. Flash, but I can think of half a dozen disconnects in pro SC2.
I actually have disconnected only once since I started playing SC2. Don't know what's wrong with tournament's internet lol.
On April 13 2013 14:13 HolyArrow wrote: Yay! I wanna see Jangbi play
I wonder how many people would be claiming that Flash deserved the win right now if resume from replay didn't exist.
Read some of the posts people already are saying that resume from replay is why flash lost LOL.
Look, maybe Flash was going to lose anyway (he was way behind in economy), but you have to admit that resume from replay greatly disadvantaged him. His greatest asset bar none is his impeccable game sense and improvisation, but if you give another player a good 10 minutes to reflect upon what to do, it evens the field out.
Yeah your point is valid. I still think it's better than not being able to resume from replay at all, though.
Why can't there just be fucking LAN
Just wondering, how exactly would LAN save you from crashing computer?
btw, most of the disconnects that happened to SC2 were not afflicted by LAN at all. Problem with not having LAN is lagging in games, not disconnects...
Well that's interesting, the only BW game interruption that I can recall was the power surge that crashed Jaedong vs. Flash, but I can think of half a dozen disconnects in pro SC2.
Could it be because SC2 requires a lot more computer resources so it is a lot easier for computer issues to pop up and cause disconnects? No, that doesn't make sense. Clearly its because evil blizzard won't give us the LAN.
mech is the biggest thing I miss from BW. Yea people complained that mech tvt was slow and boring, but it was one of my favorite matchups b/c it really highlighted who was the better/grittier player.
On April 13 2013 14:13 HolyArrow wrote: Yay! I wanna see Jangbi play
I wonder how many people would be claiming that Flash deserved the win right now if resume from replay didn't exist.
Read some of the posts people already are saying that resume from replay is why flash lost LOL.
Look, maybe Flash was going to lose anyway (he was way behind in economy), but you have to admit that resume from replay greatly disadvantaged him. His greatest asset bar none is his impeccable game sense and improvisation, but if you give another player a good 10 minutes to reflect upon what to do, it evens the field out.
Yeah your point is valid. I still think it's better than not being able to resume from replay at all, though.
Why can't there just be fucking LAN
Just wondering, how exactly would LAN save you from crashing computer?
btw, most of the disconnects that happened to SC2 were not afflicted by LAN at all. Problem with not having LAN is lagging in games, not disconnects...
Well that's interesting, the only BW game interruption that I can recall was the power surge that crashed Jaedong vs. Flash, but I can think of half a dozen disconnects in pro SC2.
Maybe because they were not using the operating system that crashes your game every time it decides it needs an update? Or thousands of other reasons that came with modern OS and HW?
I am not defending Blizzard for not including LAN (to be honest, I don't really care but whatever). What pisses me off is people, who have no clue about how technology works screaming "LAN" while it would not help anything. Just basic human ignorancy, that's what pisses me off.
Does anyone know the BW game SNM and WL talked about when the DC happened, something about flash waiting over an hour in the booth then getting told he could not play?
On April 13 2013 14:13 HolyArrow wrote: Yay! I wanna see Jangbi play
I wonder how many people would be claiming that Flash deserved the win right now if resume from replay didn't exist.
Read some of the posts people already are saying that resume from replay is why flash lost LOL.
Look, maybe Flash was going to lose anyway (he was way behind in economy), but you have to admit that resume from replay greatly disadvantaged him. His greatest asset bar none is his impeccable game sense and improvisation, but if you give another player a good 10 minutes to reflect upon what to do, it evens the field out.
Not to sound like a fanboy, but I agree with LightSpectra here.
Something else to note is that Flash was the one pushing and Reality is defending. You interrupt the guy attacking mid-push, you obviously break whatever momentum he had. A pause for the guy defending is actually advantageous because whatever disorienting panic he had while defending goes away and he regains composure.
This makes sense. That is a very unfortunate situation indeed. Let's just hope that the tournament organizers will try and learn from that incident.
On April 13 2013 14:13 HolyArrow wrote: Yay! I wanna see Jangbi play
I wonder how many people would be claiming that Flash deserved the win right now if resume from replay didn't exist.
Read some of the posts people already are saying that resume from replay is why flash lost LOL.
Look, maybe Flash was going to lose anyway (he was way behind in economy), but you have to admit that resume from replay greatly disadvantaged him. His greatest asset bar none is his impeccable game sense and improvisation, but if you give another player a good 10 minutes to reflect upon what to do, it evens the field out.
Yeah your point is valid. I still think it's better than not being able to resume from replay at all, though.
Why can't there just be fucking LAN
Just wondering, how exactly would LAN save you from crashing computer?
btw, most of the disconnects that happened to SC2 were not afflicted by LAN at all. Problem with not having LAN is lagging in games, not disconnects...
Well that's interesting, the only BW game interruption that I can recall was the power surge that crashed Jaedong vs. Flash, but I can think of half a dozen disconnects in pro SC2.
Maybe because they were not using the operating system that crashes your game every time it decides it needs an update? Or thousands of other reasons that came with modern OS and HW?
I am not defending Blizzard for not including LAN (to be honest, I don't really care but whatever). What pisses me off is people, who have no clue about how technology works screaming "LAN" while it would not help anything. Just basic human ignorancy, that's what pisses me off.
lan will rid of one whole portion of possible problems: internet connection and b.net instability. also, if you noticed the game feels better on single player because of latency and it'll be the same with lan
On April 13 2013 14:13 HolyArrow wrote: Yay! I wanna see Jangbi play
I wonder how many people would be claiming that Flash deserved the win right now if resume from replay didn't exist.
Read some of the posts people already are saying that resume from replay is why flash lost LOL.
Look, maybe Flash was going to lose anyway (he was way behind in economy), but you have to admit that resume from replay greatly disadvantaged him. His greatest asset bar none is his impeccable game sense and improvisation, but if you give another player a good 10 minutes to reflect upon what to do, it evens the field out.
Not to sound like a fanboy, but I agree with LightSpectra here.
Something else to note is that Flash was the one pushing and Reality is defending. You interrupt the guy attacking mid-push, you obviously break whatever momentum he had. A pause for the guy defending is actually advantageous because whatever disorienting panic he had while defending goes away and he regains composure.
This makes sense. That is a very unfortunate situation indeed. Let's just hope that the tournament organizers will try and learn from that incident.
Learn what exactly ? How should they have solved this according to you ?
On April 13 2013 14:13 HolyArrow wrote: Yay! I wanna see Jangbi play
I wonder how many people would be claiming that Flash deserved the win right now if resume from replay didn't exist.
Read some of the posts people already are saying that resume from replay is why flash lost LOL.
Look, maybe Flash was going to lose anyway (he was way behind in economy), but you have to admit that resume from replay greatly disadvantaged him. His greatest asset bar none is his impeccable game sense and improvisation, but if you give another player a good 10 minutes to reflect upon what to do, it evens the field out.
Yeah your point is valid. I still think it's better than not being able to resume from replay at all, though.
Why can't there just be fucking LAN
Just wondering, how exactly would LAN save you from crashing computer?
btw, most of the disconnects that happened to SC2 were not afflicted by LAN at all. Problem with not having LAN is lagging in games, not disconnects...
Well that's interesting, the only BW game interruption that I can recall was the power surge that crashed Jaedong vs. Flash, but I can think of half a dozen disconnects in pro SC2.
Maybe because they were not using the operating system that crashes your game every time it decides it needs an update? Or thousands of other reasons that came with modern OS and HW?
I am not defending Blizzard for not including LAN (to be honest, I don't really care but whatever). What pisses me off is people, who have no clue about how technology works screaming "LAN" while it would not help anything. Just basic human ignorancy, that's what pisses me off.
lan will rid of one whole portion of possible problems: internet connection and b.net instability. also, if you noticed the game feels better on single player because of latency and it'll be the same with lan
Yes I agree. I just wanted to point out, that this (and for example also the famous MKP-Parting) disconnect would have happened regardless of having/not having LAN.
On April 13 2013 14:13 HolyArrow wrote: Yay! I wanna see Jangbi play
I wonder how many people would be claiming that Flash deserved the win right now if resume from replay didn't exist.
Read some of the posts people already are saying that resume from replay is why flash lost LOL.
Look, maybe Flash was going to lose anyway (he was way behind in economy), but you have to admit that resume from replay greatly disadvantaged him. His greatest asset bar none is his impeccable game sense and improvisation, but if you give another player a good 10 minutes to reflect upon what to do, it evens the field out.
Not to sound like a fanboy, but I agree with LightSpectra here.
Something else to note is that Flash was the one pushing and Reality is defending. You interrupt the guy attacking mid-push, you obviously break whatever momentum he had. A pause for the guy defending is actually advantageous because whatever disorienting panic he had while defending goes away and he regains composure.
This makes sense. That is a very unfortunate situation indeed. Let's just hope that the tournament organizers will try and learn from that incident.
Learn what exactly ? How should they have solved this according to you ?
Hmm that's a good question. I guess that if it's a hardware issue then I think they need to get better hardware. If it's not a hardware issue, then I imagine they would need to change the rules so that the matches don't take 10 minutes to restart. I don't really have a lot of knowledge about tournament hosting, so the solutions I suggested may be totally off. Anyway I'm sure that something could have been done to prevent, or at least reduce the scale of the issue.
On April 13 2013 14:29 The Devastator wrote: Does anyone know the BW game SNM and WL talked about when the DC happened, something about flash waiting over an hour in the booth then getting told he could not play?
I didn't watch he was talking about that game but I assume he means the game against Jaedong in the 2009 Nate MSL finals. The game looked very even but the win was given to JD. Many are still of the opinion that a regame would have been the only right call.
On April 13 2013 14:13 HolyArrow wrote: Yay! I wanna see Jangbi play
I wonder how many people would be claiming that Flash deserved the win right now if resume from replay didn't exist.
Read some of the posts people already are saying that resume from replay is why flash lost LOL.
Look, maybe Flash was going to lose anyway (he was way behind in economy), but you have to admit that resume from replay greatly disadvantaged him. His greatest asset bar none is his impeccable game sense and improvisation, but if you give another player a good 10 minutes to reflect upon what to do, it evens the field out.
Not to sound like a fanboy, but I agree with LightSpectra here.
Something else to note is that Flash was the one pushing and Reality is defending. You interrupt the guy attacking mid-push, you obviously break whatever momentum he had. A pause for the guy defending is actually advantageous because whatever disorienting panic he had while defending goes away and he regains composure.
This makes sense. That is a very unfortunate situation indeed. Let's just hope that the tournament organizers will try and learn from that incident.
Learn what exactly ? How should they have solved this according to you ?
Hmm that's a good question. I guess that if it's a hardware issue then I think they need to get better hardware. If it's not a hardware issue, then I imagine they would need to change the rules so that the matches don't take 10 minutes to restart. I don't really have a lot of knowledge about tournament hosting, so the solutions I suggested may be totally off. Anyway I'm sure that something could have been done to prevent, or at least reduce the scale of the issue.
I have never had hardware or disconnect problems since release that wasn't directly my fault.
On April 13 2013 14:43 dAPhREAk wrote: can anyone tell me why flash chose the name flash?
He started his career by cheesing A-teamers a lot, so it was commented that he'd "disappear like a flash" once his reputation for cheesing was renowned.
Ironically he became the greatest macro monster ever
On April 13 2013 14:43 dAPhREAk wrote: can anyone tell me why flash chose the name flash?
He started his career by cheesing A-teamers a lot, so it was commented that he'd "disappear like a flash" once his reputation for cheesing was renowned.
Ironically he became the greatest macro monster ever
But didn't he already call himself "Flash" when he cheesed those A-Teamers?
On April 13 2013 14:13 HolyArrow wrote: Yay! I wanna see Jangbi play
I wonder how many people would be claiming that Flash deserved the win right now if resume from replay didn't exist.
Read some of the posts people already are saying that resume from replay is why flash lost LOL.
Look, maybe Flash was going to lose anyway (he was way behind in economy), but you have to admit that resume from replay greatly disadvantaged him. His greatest asset bar none is his impeccable game sense and improvisation, but if you give another player a good 10 minutes to reflect upon what to do, it evens the field out.
Not to sound like a fanboy, but I agree with LightSpectra here.
Something else to note is that Flash was the one pushing and Reality is defending. You interrupt the guy attacking mid-push, you obviously break whatever momentum he had. A pause for the guy defending is actually advantageous because whatever disorienting panic he had while defending goes away and he regains composure.
This makes sense. That is a very unfortunate situation indeed. Let's just hope that the tournament organizers will try and learn from that incident.
Learn what exactly ? How should they have solved this according to you ?
Hmm that's a good question. I guess that if it's a hardware issue then I think they need to get better hardware. If it's not a hardware issue, then I imagine they would need to change the rules so that the matches don't take 10 minutes to restart. I don't really have a lot of knowledge about tournament hosting, so the solutions I proposed may be totally off. Anyway I'm sure that something could have been done to prevent, or at least reduce the scale of the issue.
Fair points and i would agree.. I just believe this is more unlucky circumstances instead of bad preperation or bad hardware. It's unfortunate that Flash and Reality had to wait to long, if proleague backstage can learn anything i am sure they will from this, it's just that there will always be things you can't prepare for and you have to do the best you can. I fully believe they did the most fair thing possible in the fastest speed.
On April 13 2013 14:29 The Devastator wrote: Does anyone know the BW game SNM and WL talked about when the DC happened, something about flash waiting over an hour in the booth then getting told he could not play?
I didn't watch he was talking about that game but I assume he means the game against Jaedong in the 2009 Nate MSL finals. The game looked very even but the win was given to JD. Many are still of the opinion that a regame would have been the only right call.
The game wasn't even at all. Jaedong had 4 bases ultra/defiler and flash had just gotten his third base with jaedong about to push. It was a fair decision for jaedong to get the win there lol can't believe people are still so angry about that...
On April 13 2013 14:13 HolyArrow wrote: Yay! I wanna see Jangbi play
I wonder how many people would be claiming that Flash deserved the win right now if resume from replay didn't exist.
Read some of the posts people already are saying that resume from replay is why flash lost LOL.
Look, maybe Flash was going to lose anyway (he was way behind in economy), but you have to admit that resume from replay greatly disadvantaged him. His greatest asset bar none is his impeccable game sense and improvisation, but if you give another player a good 10 minutes to reflect upon what to do, it evens the field out.
Not to sound like a fanboy, but I agree with LightSpectra here.
Something else to note is that Flash was the one pushing and Reality is defending. You interrupt the guy attacking mid-push, you obviously break whatever momentum he had. A pause for the guy defending is actually advantageous because whatever disorienting panic he had while defending goes away and he regains composure.
This makes sense. That is a very unfortunate situation indeed. Let's just hope that the tournament organizers will try and learn from that incident.
Learn what exactly ? How should they have solved this according to you ?
Hmm that's a good question. I guess that if it's a hardware issue then I think they need to get better hardware. If it's not a hardware issue, then I imagine they would need to change the rules so that the matches don't take 10 minutes to restart. I don't really have a lot of knowledge about tournament hosting, so the solutions I proposed may be totally off. Anyway I'm sure that something could have been done to prevent, or at least reduce the scale of the issue.
Fair points and i would agree.. I just believe this is more unlucky circumstances instead of bad preperation or bad hardware. It's unfortunate that Flash and Reality had to wait to long, if proleague backstage can learn anything i am sure they will from this, it's just that there will always be things you can't prepare for and you have to do the best you can. I fully believe they did the most fair thing possible in the fastest speed.
Fair enough, this is quite a reasonable point of view.
On April 13 2013 14:43 dAPhREAk wrote: can anyone tell me why flash chose the name flash?
He started his career by cheesing A-teamers a lot, so it was commented that he'd "disappear like a flash" once his reputation for cheesing was renowned.
Ironically he became the greatest macro monster ever
But didn't he already call himself "Flash" when he cheesed those A-Teamers?
iirc he had a different handle when he was in the by. clan but before he was recruited by KTF. I think it was like by.limit or something like that.
On April 13 2013 14:43 dAPhREAk wrote: can anyone tell me why flash chose the name flash?
He started his career by cheesing A-teamers a lot, so it was commented that he'd "disappear like a flash" once his reputation for cheesing was renowned.
Ironically he became the greatest macro monster ever
But didn't he already call himself "Flash" when he cheesed those A-Teamers?
iirc he had a different handle when he was in the by. clan but before he was recruited by KTF. I think it was like by.limit or something like that.
On April 13 2013 14:43 dAPhREAk wrote: can anyone tell me why flash chose the name flash?
He started his career by cheesing A-teamers a lot, so it was commented that he'd "disappear like a flash" once his reputation for cheesing was renowned.
Ironically he became the greatest macro monster ever
But didn't he already call himself "Flash" when he cheesed those A-Teamers?
iirc he had a different handle when he was in the by. clan but before he was recruited by KTF. I think it was like by.limit or something like that.
tlpd says by.flash and no other names
this would be before he became a progamer or had any televised matches, so TLPD wouldn't have recorded it. but I'm going by memory so I could be completely wrong.
On April 13 2013 14:43 dAPhREAk wrote: can anyone tell me why flash chose the name flash?
He started his career by cheesing A-teamers a lot, so it was commented that he'd "disappear like a flash" once his reputation for cheesing was renowned.
Ironically he became the greatest macro monster ever
But didn't he already call himself "Flash" when he cheesed those A-Teamers?
iirc he had a different handle when he was in the by. clan but before he was recruited by KTF. I think it was like by.limit or something like that.
If his name was based on what people said about him, it would've been in korean, like Bisu = dagger.
On April 13 2013 14:29 The Devastator wrote: Does anyone know the BW game SNM and WL talked about when the DC happened, something about flash waiting over an hour in the booth then getting told he could not play?
I didn't watch he was talking about that game but I assume he means the game against Jaedong in the 2009 Nate MSL finals. The game looked very even but the win was given to JD. Many are still of the opinion that a regame would have been the only right call.
The game wasn't even at all. Jaedong had 4 bases ultra/defiler and flash was on 3 bases with jaedong about to push. It was a fair decision for jaedong to get the win there lol can't believe people are still so angry about that...
This has already been discussed to death. Some people think JD had the game won, others say he has not. Let's keep it at that.
On April 13 2013 14:43 dAPhREAk wrote: can anyone tell me why flash chose the name flash?
He started his career by cheesing A-teamers a lot, so it was commented that he'd "disappear like a flash" once his reputation for cheesing was renowned.
Ironically he became the greatest macro monster ever
But didn't he already call himself "Flash" when he cheesed those A-Teamers?
iirc he had a different handle when he was in the by. clan but before he was recruited by KTF. I think it was like by.limit or something like that.
If his name was based on what people said about him, it would've been in korean, like Bisu = dagger.
On April 13 2013 14:43 dAPhREAk wrote: can anyone tell me why flash chose the name flash?
He started his career by cheesing A-teamers a lot, so it was commented that he'd "disappear like a flash" once his reputation for cheesing was renowned.
Ironically he became the greatest macro monster ever
But didn't he already call himself "Flash" when he cheesed those A-Teamers?
iirc he had a different handle when he was in the by. clan but before he was recruited by KTF. I think it was like by.limit or something like that.
If his name was based on what people said about him, it would've been in korean, like Bisu = dagger.
On April 13 2013 14:57 LighT. wrote: The only way Jangbi has beaten Flash in the past 2 years is through weird meta-game/cheese. Expect more of that here.
and the game will stabilize and continue on as action packed game
On April 13 2013 14:57 LighT. wrote: The only way Jangbi has beaten Flash in the past 2 years is through weird meta-game/cheese. Expect more of that here.
No shame in that, and I speak as a Flash fanboy. Really, what else are you going to do against the guy with an 80% TvP.
On April 13 2013 14:43 dAPhREAk wrote: can anyone tell me why flash chose the name flash?
He started his career by cheesing A-teamers a lot, so it was commented that he'd "disappear like a flash" once his reputation for cheesing was renowned.
Ironically he became the greatest macro monster ever
But didn't he already call himself "Flash" when he cheesed those A-Teamers?
iirc he had a different handle when he was in the by. clan but before he was recruited by KTF. I think it was like by.limit or something like that.
If his name was based on what people said about him, it would've been in korean, like Bisu = dagger.
not necessarily?
Well where would he read/hear/get the 'he'd "disappear like a flash"' comment? I'm pretty sure he just named himself Flash just because that's what he wants. You might be just remembering some flash joke/pun back when he was still a nobody.
On April 13 2013 14:43 dAPhREAk wrote: can anyone tell me why flash chose the name flash?
He started his career by cheesing A-teamers a lot, so it was commented that he'd "disappear like a flash" once his reputation for cheesing was renowned.
Ironically he became the greatest macro monster ever
But didn't he already call himself "Flash" when he cheesed those A-Teamers?
iirc he had a different handle when he was in the by. clan but before he was recruited by KTF. I think it was like by.limit or something like that.
If his name was based on what people said about him, it would've been in korean, like Bisu = dagger.
not necessarily?
Well where would he hear the 'he'd "disappear like a flash"' comment? I'm pretty sure he just named himself Flash just because that's what he wants. You might be just remembering some flash joke/pun back when he was still a nobody.
Yeah, I already said I'm not sure and I'm going by memory. But wanton English translations are considered cool in Korean culture, it's why there's players named Stork and Fantasy.
On April 13 2013 14:57 LighT. wrote: The only way Jangbi has beaten Flash in the past 2 years is through weird meta-game/cheese. Expect more of that here.
On April 13 2013 14:57 LighT. wrote: Oh...One of the best kespa players is going to be sent out.. lets NOT send out our Code S champion
except that JangBi might have trained to snipe Flash 24/7
Why do Khan fans complain about who gets sent out when their coach is January? At least they didn't send out BeSt to take on Flash in the PL finals. Now that's something to bitch about.
On April 13 2013 14:57 LighT. wrote: The only way Jangbi has beaten Flash in the past 2 years is through weird meta-game/cheese. Expect more of that here.
On April 13 2013 14:57 LighT. wrote: Oh...One of the best kespa players is going to be sent out.. lets NOT send out our Code S champion
except that JangBi might have trained to snipe Flash 24/7
Why do Khan fans complain about who gets sent out when their coach is January? At least they didn't send out BeSt to take on Flash in the PL finals. Now that's something to bitch about.
On April 13 2013 14:57 LighT. wrote: The only way Jangbi has beaten Flash in the past 2 years is through weird meta-game/cheese. Expect more of that here.
Then JangBi learned it was much easier to let Fantasy do the heavy lifting and take out Flash.
On April 13 2013 14:57 LighT. wrote: Oh...One of the best kespa players is going to be sent out.. lets NOT send out our Code S champion
except that JangBi might have trained to snipe Flash 24/7
Why do Khan fans complain about who gets sent out when their coach is January? At least they didn't send out BeSt to take on Flash in the PL finals. Now that's something to bitch about.
On April 13 2013 14:57 LighT. wrote: The only way Jangbi has beaten Flash in the past 2 years is through weird meta-game/cheese. Expect more of that here.
On April 13 2013 14:57 LighT. wrote: The only way Jangbi has beaten Flash in the past 2 years is through weird meta-game/cheese. Expect more of that here.
On April 13 2013 14:57 LighT. wrote: Oh...One of the best kespa players is going to be sent out.. lets NOT send out our Code S champion
except that JangBi might have trained to snipe Flash 24/7
Why do Khan fans complain about who gets sent out when their coach is January? At least they didn't send out BeSt to take on Flash in the PL finals. Now that's something to bitch about.
at least your team learnt and sent out Bisu the next year xD
On April 13 2013 15:01 jesteRp wrote: yeah guys.... lets send out the guy who qualified for code A over the guy who won code S. classic january.
Flash's HotS TvZ is much, much better than his TvP. Also, RorO recently lost to Flash in the Special PL. So it makes sense to me.
Roro's performance in his code s group definitely shows he can take on flash.
True, could also be that JangBi's been training to snipe Flash, that Flash's TvP is his worst MU, or it could be January metagaming against Flash since he was probably preparing to play RorO.
On April 13 2013 15:20 EpiK wrote: that two immortal push is so strong. I don't even think more bunkers would've saved flash
I don't think you're supposed to try to hold that at your nat. Even with like 4+ bunkers you can still easily die unless you have some brilliant staggered placement. I could be wrong, idk.
KT morale must be all-time low.. Think about it... Their team is 1-9 in their past 10 games. They are 1-35 in getting through to Code A (sans Flash) Their most reliable player lost 2 Ace matches in a row, and 3 games in a row. Holy shit... Bad time to be a KT Fan
Proleague is the only place where you can click for a couple of series' at 4am and it'll still be running at 11am when you wake up from falling asleep during ace match
On April 13 2013 15:24 LighT. wrote: KT morale must be all-time low.. Think about it... Their team is 1-9 in their past 10 games. They are 1-35 in getting through to Code A (sans Flash) Their most reliable player lost 2 Ace matches in a row, and 3 games in a row. Holy shit... Bad time to be a KT Fan
On April 13 2013 15:24 LighT. wrote: KT morale must be all-time low.. Think about it... Their team is 1-9 in their past 10 games. They are 1-35 in getting through to Code A (sans Flash) Their most reliable player lost 2 Ace matches in a row, and 3 games in a row. Holy shit... Bad time to be a KT Fan
08-09 was way way way worse. Then KT and Flash went god mode the next season.
On April 13 2013 14:20 kimchikid wrote: I actually put Flash on my anti team, so far it's perfect choice. I felt some kind of temp slump incoming and I was right about it. I think it's not over yet.
You got to be right sometime. I bet it will hold a few weeks.
On April 13 2013 15:16 Emzeeshady wrote: Does Flash not know how to scout. His games vs Life plus this is making me believe so.
the problem is he said he watched MKP replays when he first started sc2. skipped that step
MKP is even worse. He will literally play blind for like 10 minutes then die to a massive ling/bane bust over and over.
Oh, and blind 15 CC vs Zerg after getting early pooled the game before -_-.
Brains > Balls
MKP is weird because he also takes advantage of players who don't scout. He once double proxy raxed Sjow at essentially the bottom of his ramp. All Sjow had to do was send an scv down his own ramp and he would have spotted it but no * sighs* How can MKP abuse someone else's refusal to scout while at the same time refusing to scout himself?
On April 13 2013 15:16 Emzeeshady wrote: Does Flash not know how to scout. His games vs Life plus this is making me believe so.
the problem is he said he watched MKP replays when he first started sc2. skipped that step
MKP is even worse. He will literally play blind for like 10 minutes then die to a massive ling/bane bust over and over.
Oh, and blind 15 CC vs Zerg after getting early pooled the game before -_-.
Brains > Balls
He did hold a 6pool after going cc first so I dunno
(vs SuHosin on Ohana, iirc)
It was a 10 pool I believe and although that was impressive SuHo kind of fucked it up too.
Point is it is fine for Flash to throw away his games in GSL or whatever by not scouting and playing greedy. If he wants to be sent out for ace though he should learn to be a little safer as his whole team his depending on him.
It was hilarious either way
But yeah, not scouting properly in an ace match is just criminal. He knows he can outmacro anyone, even from slightly behind, so I don't know why he didn't bother to scout.
On April 13 2013 15:29 scrubtastic wrote: 3-4 isn't that bad, right? Flash can't have 100% awesome days; at least we know his teammates can pick up the slack, like they did here.
Yeah, but losing 9 out of the last 10 matches is, even some 0-4/1-4s in there.
On April 13 2013 15:24 LighT. wrote: KT morale must be all-time low.. Think about it... Their team is 1-9 in their past 10 games. They are 1-35 in getting through to Code A (sans Flash) Their most reliable player lost 2 Ace matches in a row, and 3 games in a row. Holy shit... Bad time to be a KT Fan
08-09 was way way way worse. Then KT and Flash went god mode the next season.
No it wasnt. I've been a fan since 08-09 :/ They were still winning games. They have never EVER have gone on a slump this big as a team before. And they always had adequate performance in the individual leagues.. not going 1-35 in qualifiers.
On April 13 2013 15:24 LighT. wrote: KT morale must be all-time low.. Think about it... Their team is 1-9 in their past 10 games. They are 1-35 in getting through to Code A (sans Flash) Their most reliable player lost 2 Ace matches in a row, and 3 games in a row. Holy shit... Bad time to be a KT Fan
08-09 was way way way worse. Then KT and Flash went god mode the next season.
No it wasnt. I've been a fan since 08-09 :/ They were still winning games. They have never EVER have gone on a slump this big as a team before. And they always had adequate performance in the individual leagues.. not going 1-35 in qualifiers.
Well non-Flash KT players generally sucks in individual leagues, and their usual R1 performance is just as bad as this. They're lucky they actually did well R1 this season or else they would be at the bottom with EG-TL right now.
No man, 08-09 was more heart breaking as a fan. They never had a chance in proleague and SIX teams qualify for the playoffs back then, thats saying alot. Then theres flash constantly losing stupidly in individual leagues. No turrets against fake yellow, 14cc against kwanro, stupid game on that map with eggs on it against ggplay, 14cc every game against forgg. I remember it like it was yesterday, It was heart breaking and it also what makes 09-10 so sweet.
I mean, sure they are on a slump but they're still 5th place. They have a huge chance, unlike 08-09.
Also KT were ranked lower than motherfucking AIR FORCE ACE in 2010 once. Can't get any worse. lol.
On April 13 2013 15:24 LighT. wrote: KT morale must be all-time low.. Think about it... Their team is 1-9 in their past 10 games. They are 1-35 in getting through to Code A (sans Flash) Their most reliable player lost 2 Ace matches in a row, and 3 games in a row. Holy shit... Bad time to be a KT Fan
08-09 was way way way worse. Then KT and Flash went god mode the next season.
No it wasnt. I've been a fan since 08-09 :/ They were still winning games. They have never EVER have gone on a slump this big as a team before. And they always had adequate performance in the individual leagues.. not going 1-35 in qualifiers.
Well non-Flash KT players generally sucks in individual leagues, and their usual R1 performance is just as bad as this. They're lucky they actually did well R1 this season or else they would be at the bottom with EG-TL right now.
They killed it r1 and r2. r3 and r4 have been terrible. 08-09...Idk.. Violet was tearing it up then, they just signed a MSL champion in forGG and luxury had his moments too in the past. KT players usually at least make the ro32 and lose in the dual tournament... not getting into Code A at a 1-35 record is the equivalent of..not getting through the qualifying rounds vs amateurs into either tournament by being knocked out in round 1. KT needs another terran.... They're like Prime such that..every damn team knows who they're going to send out every week. They have only 5 reliable players and they always have to throw one player like Myungsik or Motive to the wolves and pray they pull out a win.
On April 13 2013 15:45 iLoveKT wrote: No man, 08-09 was more heart breaking as a fan. They never had a chance in proleague and SIX teams qualify for the playoffs back then, thats saying alot. Then theres flash constantly losing stupidly in individual leagues. No turrets against fake yellow, 14cc against kwanro, stupid game on that map with eggs on it against ggplay, 14cc every game against forgg. I remember it like it was yesterday, It was heart breaking and it also what makes 09-10 so sweet.
I mean, sure they are on a slump but they're still 5th place. They have a huge chance, unlike 08-09.
Also KT were ranked lower than motherfucking AIR FORCE ACE in 2010 once. Can't get any worse. lol.
Heart-breaking sure....but it still doesnt prove my point that this it the first time KT faced this much adversity. Find me a stretch where KT couldnt pull out more 1 game in a 10 game stretch. Also the most heart-breaking moment as a KT fan is not even 08-09 season...IMO its 1) Violet 2) Losing to SKT T1 4-3 3) 08-09 7th place
On April 13 2013 15:14 negativedge wrote: today I learned you can't put a mule in a medivac
I learned that today too... but I learned it from watching GSL vods, Tastosis talked about it and they didn't know either and got fed that info. Pretty ironic timing.
Poor Flash... I think he is more affected by those disconnects and lag spikes than other players, you can just see him cursing blizzard for himself whenever it happens. It was the same in MLG.
On April 13 2013 15:20 EpiK wrote: that two immortal push is so strong. I don't even think more bunkers would've saved flash
3 bunkers + pull scvs. It's not that hard to hold actually.
You are wrong. If the toss plays correctly 3 bunkers with scvs in front and behind them will not hold, as shown last week in proleague. I think the terran needs 5 bunkers + stim to hold, unless he can get a seige tank out in time.
On April 13 2013 17:33 sc2superfan101 wrote: Last few games have proven it:
Proleague camera work is the absolute, bottom-of-the-barrel WORST in all of Starcraft.
Almost unwatchable at this point. Ugh.
It's really bad, I'm surprised no one is complaining about it. In the Flying vs EffOrt match, the observer decided to star at a viper consuming a spine crawler for 15 seconds while a battle was occuring a screen away.
I knew it, KT sucks. One good player isnt enough for PL, maybe next round in allkill.
Their mediocre players perform really well in high pressure situations for whatever reason but generally the team isn't very impressive. I'll always cherish the Stats vs. Hydra where Stats was accidentally storming his own buildings and stuff.
*sigh* and I considered getting JangBi on my main for so long, but decided PvP is too risky and that RorO would probably get picked for ace matches...but nope.
On April 14 2013 06:59 SamsungStar wrote: ^ lolwat? That doesn't make any sense, bro. But man times done changed when KTF fans start complaining about sending Flash out for ace.
It's one of those things.. Ace player wins: FUCK YEAH, BEASTMODE GO FLASH SO GOOD LOL NO ONE CAN BEAT HIM Ace player losses: WHY WOULD YOU SEND HIM OUT WTF COACH YOU SUCK
It's either a brillant or a train wreck idea for most people.
On April 14 2013 07:14 Zenbrez wrote: It's one of those things.. Ace player wins: FUCK YEAH, BEASTMODE GO FLASH SO GOOD LOL NO ONE CAN BEAT HIM Ace player losses: WHY WOULD YOU SEND HIM OUT WTF COACH YOU SUCK
It's either a brillant or a train wreck idea for most people.
true, but the thing is KT is too predictable with their ace player. They should have predicted that Jangbi is the best player on Khan and a PvP would have been a better choice against Jangbi than Flash.
On April 14 2013 07:14 Zenbrez wrote: It's one of those things.. Ace player wins: FUCK YEAH, BEASTMODE GO FLASH SO GOOD LOL NO ONE CAN BEAT HIM Ace player losses: WHY WOULD YOU SEND HIM OUT WTF COACH YOU SUCK
It's either a brillant or a train wreck idea for most people.
true, but the thing is KT is too predictable with their ace player. They should have predicted that Jangbi is the best player on Khan and a PvP would have been a better choice against Jangbi than Flash.
yeah, but its true Back then during the KTFlash days they had no one close to Flash's skills to step in for him but since they got Stats they really have a PL ace worthy player. But KT uses him so rarely.
On April 14 2013 06:59 SamsungStar wrote: ^ lolwat? That doesn't make any sense, bro. But man times done changed when KTF fans start complaining about sending Flash out for ace.
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