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Yello
Germany7411 Posts
On April 08 2013 18:08 m0ck wrote: 70 drones vs 48 scvs. But with 3/4 CCs that is obviously not very much of a difference at all. yeah, after the drops it was 70 drones to 48 SCVs. Before them (and Action droning) Bogus was ahead and Bogus still had the better and bigger army and could damage Action | ||
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eviltomahawk
United States11133 Posts
On April 08 2013 18:09 Ysellian wrote: Seriously hope they don't remove swarm hosts. I"m actually having more fun playing with them online than I did with lurkers. Well, they didn't remove Carriers, so there is hope yet. | ||
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silentsaint
Germany540 Posts
On April 08 2013 18:07 Arceus wrote: in panic mode, Action thought those little mushroom could shoot spikes from underground.... ok I wont brought up this discussion again but it's pretty frustrated to see a band of bio run into zerg's expo with like five SHs worth of resource and kill everything with ease but wouldn't the same thing happen if there were 5 Broodlords in the base "guarding" it? Alone they just aren't that effective. | ||
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Boundz(DarKo)
5311 Posts
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Fuchsteufelswild
Australia2028 Posts
On April 08 2013 18:06 m0ck wrote: I would really like if zerg harassing would be somewhat effective, the reaction time from bogus was pretty appalling - Ts are used to simply being safe. And this game is a pretty good demonstration of why. Yeah, definitely true. Baneling drops can be very potent against terran as well as protoss but fast reactions (and the right reaction) makes a huge difference and Innovation just let Action eat up his SCVs with too little consequence. I think buffed Nydus Worms (more hp probably) and possibly some further increased overlord speed (Maybe??) would help to make harassment including small drops here and there more effective. I don't see either change happening in a hurry, sadly.  EDIT: On April 08 2013 18:09 silentsaint wrote: but wouldn't the same thing happen if there were 5 Broodlords in the base "guarding" it? Alone they just aren't that effective. Yeah, SHs seem far more suited to offence than defence because in defence at least, they seem quite poor in small numbers or without support. | ||
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SayTT
Sweden2158 Posts
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eviltomahawk
United States11133 Posts
I also miss Stats's chin. Dammit, I want my chins back. | ||
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Ysellian
Netherlands9029 Posts
On April 08 2013 18:10 Fuchsteufelswild wrote: Yeah, definitely true. Baneling drops can be very potent against terran as well as protoss but fast reactions (and the right reaction) makes a huge difference and Innovation just let Action eat up his SCVs with too little consequence. I think buffed Nydus Worms (more hp probably) and possibly some further increased overlord speed (Maybe??) would help to make harassment including small drops here and there more effective. I don't see either change happening in a hurry, sadly. Just cut gas cost for both Nydus worms and drop tech. It's just too expensive at the moment. (says the horribly biased Zerg  ) | ||
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centergoliath4
37 Posts
only true solution to this is mutalisks, as life probably figured out. nydus is too expensive to really get the job done in the time needed to defend every area properly. but if you got 20 mutalisks with overlord spread you can prevent all the drops (and vikings cant beat the mutas) then work your way towards ultra/ling/bane with some infestors for fungal swarm hosts are strong units. the problem is the swarm hosts just arent good in doing what zerg NEEDS against terran, and that is defending against drops and dealing with them effectively. Swarmhosts cannot do that, and since terrans will be dropping every game you need mutas every game. swarmhosts are good in a straight up fight but thats not what terran will be doing. swarmhosts do not provide what zerg needs against terran, soon good zergs will be going muta every game against terran until some other option is made to exist. | ||
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Arceus
Vietnam8332 Posts
On April 08 2013 18:11 eviltomahawk wrote: I miss Mind's chin. I also miss Stats's chin. Dammit, I want my chins back. well Classic plays later | ||
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vol_
Australia1608 Posts
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eviltomahawk
United States11133 Posts
Better give Terrans aoe Banshees to compensate. | ||
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ne4aJIb
Russian Federation3209 Posts
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Olli
Austria24417 Posts
On April 08 2013 18:14 eviltomahawk wrote: Swarm Hosts should get the upgrade from campaign where they can instantly teleport around the map. That should solve some defensive woes. Better give Terrans aoe Banshees to compensate. And screw protoss! | ||
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Tobblish
Sweden6404 Posts
You pretty much can't split the map in half without opening for the opponent to have a go at your bases. | ||
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m0ck
4194 Posts
On April 08 2013 18:11 centergoliath4 wrote: zerg is put into a situation where they need to defend every area at once. put army in one area, terran drops other area, your screwed only true solution to this is mutalisks, as life probably figured out. nydus is too expensive to really get the job done in the time needed to defend every area properly. but if you got 20 mutalisks with overlord spread you can prevent all the drops (and vikings cant beat the mutas) then work your way towards ultra/ling/bane with some infestors for fungal swarm hosts are strong units. the problem is the swarm hosts just arent good in doing what zerg NEEDS against terran, and that is defending against drops and dealing with them effectively. Swarmhosts cannot do that, and since terrans will be dropping every game you need mutas every game. swarmhosts are good in a straight up fight but thats not what terran will be doing. swarmhosts do not provide what zerg needs against terran, soon good zergs will be going muta every game against terran until some other option is made to exist. It's pretty much the development stephano has gone through in the last week, now opening bling->muta every game against T. But it's very easy to lose those mutas on the way to infestor-BL and once/if they're gone, the game is close to being over. *due to inability of infestor/BL to handle drops, I mean | ||
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Scarecrow
Korea (South)9172 Posts
On April 08 2013 18:10 SayTT wrote: Mind was a freaking best in TvP in BW, he had amazing map control and zoning with tanks. HE could take games from Flash in TvT too just because he had such damn good tank placement. You're out of your mind...(npi) Mind was absolutely amazing at getting up to 3 bases then dying to arbiters/carriers almost every game. He was an absolute mental cripple in the mu. No clue why you're calling him a TvP beast, he was more of a punching bag. | ||
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Giriath
Sweden2412 Posts
On April 08 2013 18:11 centergoliath4 wrote: zerg is put into a situation where they need to defend every area at once. put army in one area, terran drops other area, your screwed only true solution to this is mutalisks, as life probably figured out. nydus is too expensive to really get the job done in the time needed to defend every area properly. but if you got 20 mutalisks with overlord spread you can prevent all the drops (and vikings cant beat the mutas) then work your way towards ultra/ling/bane with some infestors for fungal swarm hosts are strong units. the problem is the swarm hosts just arent good in doing what zerg NEEDS against terran, and that is defending against drops and dealing with them effectively. Swarmhosts cannot do that, and since terrans will be dropping every game you need mutas every game. swarmhosts are good in a straight up fight but thats not what terran will be doing. swarmhosts do not provide what zerg needs against terran, soon good zergs will be going muta every game against terran until some other option is made to exist. Yes, heavy ling bling muta is still the way to go for zerg mid-game. Life knows this, has always done it and continues to do it. | ||
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eviltomahawk
United States11133 Posts
You can have Zeratul. He'll be a fast, stealthy assassin hero unit that depends on RNG for critical hits. Oh wait... | ||
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sage_francis
France1823 Posts
On April 08 2013 18:14 ne4aJIb wrote: haven't seen mind for a long time last time i saw him he was wearing wemade fox uniform :p | ||
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