Why do my fpl players always have to get the hardest matchups.....fantasy vs jangbang and soo ZvZing roro.....at least I still have bisu, bisu for ace!
Man half of these matchups could've been OSL/MSL finals.
Parting Shine Bisu Rain Fantasy for 4-1 SKT in my opinion, but then again I thought Woongjin would have an easy time vs EGTL so who knows, it's a new Proleague with HoTS.
Really hope for the very big off chance reality will beat rain and fantasy loses. Can't wait to watch, Fantasy pro league makes stuff so much more interesting.
On April 08 2013 12:24 LightAngels wrote: I love how ppl predict Stork will lose to Parting.
Never underestimate the Commander!
God I hope you are right, parting is my captain and stork is on my anti-team. And stork got 4 points last game, hurt me
The best is if Parting gets played as the ace or Bisu. We don't need know of that rain ace here >.<
Jangbi is one of the best player on SS so I'm pretty sure they're gonna use him. Also Rain has sick late game PvP so if they get to ace match, Rain vs Jangbi is most likely going to happen imo. Bisu hasn't proved much and so has Parting. You shouldn't get so excited over 1 win.
IMO the decider here is parting/stork, if stork wins they have a good shot of ace. with bisu's new form and SKT's strong toss lineup i don't see the 4 tosses losing here
IMO the decider here is parting/stork, if stork wins they have a good shot of ace. with bisu's new form and SKT's strong toss lineup i don't see the 4 tosses losing here
We can always rely on Stork, Jangbi and Roro. They have proven from time to time they can take games when it matters.
These look like really tough matchups for khan. I think if shine doesn't win there is a good chance for a 4-0. Stork or reality could maybe pull off wins but I see them at a disadvantage, especially reality. Then Jangbi has to win too against a very good opponent. I have a hard time seeing skt lose here. I just want Bisu to win.
I am so sad... Studying for a test at 2 AM while watching proleague. Going to get my 2 hours of sleep, then study while watching until school starts. SKT fighting!
Grrr Parting now has an anti-fan in me for beating Stork T_T Those aren't even a legit celebrations, he's just finger-wagging and throat-cutting and thumbs-downing >:[
On April 08 2013 15:18 Aerisky wrote: Dammit Stork
Grrr Parting now has an anti-fan in me for beating Stork T_T Those aren't even a legit celebrations, he's just finger-wagging and throat-cutting and thumbs-downing >:[
When it comes to annoying ceremonies, Khan fans are ones to talk. I remember the vuvuzela phase quite well.
On April 08 2013 15:13 iiAreJordan wrote: I am so sad... Studying for a test at 2 AM while watching proleague. Going to get my 2 hours of sleep, then study while watching until school starts. SKT fighting!
Just watch the VODs, man! Then you can skip the breaks, too. Even if subscription is required (I can't remember), that's only $5 for the rest of the season. Studying is important
On April 08 2013 15:18 Aerisky wrote: Dammit Stork
Grrr Parting now has an anti-fan in me for beating Stork T_T Those aren't even a legit celebrations, he's just finger-wagging and throat-cutting and thumbs-downing >:[
When it comes to annoying ceremonies, Khan fans are ones to talk. I remember the vuvuzela phase quite well.
lol I hate it when people lump fans of teams into groups to criticize it's just dishonest and mean-spirited (sometimes it's in good fun, like playful trash-talking, but I've rarely seen any of that kind)
To each his own, I thought vuvuzelas were actually interesting. Parting's ceremonies are all negative and have been done before over and over and over again. Granted vuvuzela ceremonies aren't exactly original (and are pretty lame, let's be real), but I generally don't have an opinion about them unless they're just mean and boring. I thought it was funny that the vuvuzelas ended up getting banned though lol
On April 08 2013 15:18 Aerisky wrote: Dammit Stork
Grrr Parting now has an anti-fan in me for beating Stork T_T Those aren't even a legit celebrations, he's just finger-wagging and throat-cutting and thumbs-downing >:[
On April 08 2013 15:13 iiAreJordan wrote: I am so sad... Studying for a test at 2 AM while watching proleague. Going to get my 2 hours of sleep, then study while watching until school starts. SKT fighting!
Just watch the VODs, man! Then you can skip the breaks, too. Even if subscription is required (I can't remember), that's only $5 for the rest of the season. Studying is important
On April 08 2013 15:18 Aerisky wrote: Dammit Stork
Grrr Parting now has an anti-fan in me for beating Stork T_T Those aren't even a legit celebrations, he's just finger-wagging and throat-cutting and thumbs-downing >:[
When it comes to annoying ceremonies, Khan fans are ones to talk. I remember the vuvuzela phase quite well.
lol I hate it when people lump fans of teams into groups to criticize it's just dishonest and mean-spirited (sometimes it's in good fun, like playful trash-talking, but I've rarely seen any of that kind)
To each his own, I thought vuvuzelas were actually interesting. Parting's ceremonies are all negative and have been done before over and over and over again. Granted vuvuzela ceremonies aren't exactly original (and are pretty lame, let's be real), but I generally don't have an opinion about them unless they're just mean and boring. I thought it was funny that the vuvuzelas ended up getting banned though lol
I love when fans take it personal when the opponent douse a winning ceremony.
On April 08 2013 15:18 Aerisky wrote: Dammit Stork
Grrr Parting now has an anti-fan in me for beating Stork T_T Those aren't even a legit celebrations, he's just finger-wagging and throat-cutting and thumbs-downing >:[
You can't possibly be serious...
Some people man.
For some people, it's not a ceremony if all your clothes are still on.
On April 08 2013 15:13 iiAreJordan wrote: I am so sad... Studying for a test at 2 AM while watching proleague. Going to get my 2 hours of sleep, then study while watching until school starts. SKT fighting!
Just watch the VODs, man! Then you can skip the breaks, too. Even if subscription is required (I can't remember), that's only $5 for the rest of the season. Studying is important
On April 08 2013 15:13 iiAreJordan wrote: I am so sad... Studying for a test at 2 AM while watching proleague. Going to get my 2 hours of sleep, then study while watching until school starts. SKT fighting!
Just watch the VODs, man! Then you can skip the breaks, too. Even if subscription is required (I can't remember), that's only $5 for the rest of the season. Studying is important
Subscription is for HD I think.
Aren't they uploaded on youtube anyway?
The vods that get uploaded to youtube are with korean commentators.
On April 08 2013 15:18 Aerisky wrote: Dammit Stork
Grrr Parting now has an anti-fan in me for beating Stork T_T Those aren't even a legit celebrations, he's just finger-wagging and throat-cutting and thumbs-downing >:[
When it comes to annoying ceremonies, Khan fans are ones to talk. I remember the vuvuzela phase quite well.
lol I hate it when people lump fans of teams into groups to criticize it's just dishonest and mean-spirited (sometimes it's in good fun, like playful trash-talking, but I've rarely seen any of that kind)
To each his own, I thought vuvuzelas were actually interesting. Parting's ceremonies are all negative and have been done before over and over and over again. Granted vuvuzela ceremonies aren't exactly original (and are pretty lame, let's be real), but I generally don't have an opinion about them unless they're just mean and boring. I thought it was funny that the vuvuzelas ended up getting banned though lol
I don't really mind either of the two. But Khan is known better than most for that kind of thing.
On April 08 2013 15:13 iiAreJordan wrote: I am so sad... Studying for a test at 2 AM while watching proleague. Going to get my 2 hours of sleep, then study while watching until school starts. SKT fighting!
Just watch the VODs, man! Then you can skip the breaks, too. Even if subscription is required (I can't remember), that's only $5 for the rest of the season. Studying is important
Subscription is for HD I think.
Aren't they uploaded on youtube anyway?
To be honest, I don't know anything about the twitch VODs. Youtube VODs are always available in Korean.
On April 08 2013 15:18 Aerisky wrote: Dammit Stork
Grrr Parting now has an anti-fan in me for beating Stork T_T Those aren't even a legit celebrations, he's just finger-wagging and throat-cutting and thumbs-downing >:[
When it comes to annoying ceremonies, Khan fans are ones to talk. I remember the vuvuzela phase quite well.
lol I hate it when people lump fans of teams into groups to criticize it's just dishonest and mean-spirited (sometimes it's in good fun, like playful trash-talking, but I've rarely seen any of that kind)
To each his own, I thought vuvuzelas were actually interesting. Parting's ceremonies are all negative and have been done before over and over and over again. Granted vuvuzela ceremonies aren't exactly original (and are pretty lame, let's be real), but I generally don't have an opinion about them unless they're just mean and boring. I thought it was funny that the vuvuzelas ended up getting banned though lol
I love when fans take it personal when the opponent douse a winning ceremony.
Dude I'm a Stork fan!! We take everything personally! Still can't forgive Luxury for WCG 2008! (of all the things, right?)
At least we're not passive-aggressive, and do say what's what we mean though ;o (not talking about you dw)
I think this match is pretty important for khan, shine needs to win or i fear a 4-0. They are pretty rough on shine in their commentary lol he made code s so he can only be so bad :p
oh yes, Best, the macro "god" from BW. I think this is the guy that I've seen routinely use the supply call downs because of supply blocks. I think it's him, anyways because I have this memory of being confused that the guy was supposed to be really amazing at macro in BW...
On April 08 2013 15:18 Aerisky wrote: Dammit Stork
Grrr Parting now has an anti-fan in me for beating Stork T_T Those aren't even a legit celebrations, he's just finger-wagging and throat-cutting and thumbs-downing >:[
When it comes to annoying ceremonies, Khan fans are ones to talk. I remember the vuvuzela phase quite well.
lol I hate it when people lump fans of teams into groups to criticize it's just dishonest and mean-spirited (sometimes it's in good fun, like playful trash-talking, but I've rarely seen any of that kind)
To each his own, I thought vuvuzelas were actually interesting. Parting's ceremonies are all negative and have been done before over and over and over again. Granted vuvuzela ceremonies aren't exactly original (and are pretty lame, let's be real), but I generally don't have an opinion about them unless they're just mean and boring. I thought it was funny that the vuvuzelas ended up getting banned though lol
On April 08 2013 15:30 Jacmert wrote: oh yes, Best, the macro "god" from BW. I think this is the guy that I've seen routinely use the supply call downs because of supply blocks. I think it's him, anyways because I have this memory of being confused that the guy was supposed to be really amazing at macro in BW...
On April 08 2013 15:30 Jacmert wrote: oh yes, Best, the macro "god" from BW. I think this is the guy that I've seen routinely use the supply call downs because of supply blocks. I think it's him, anyways because I have this memory of being confused that the guy was supposed to be really amazing at macro in BW...
On April 08 2013 15:30 Jacmert wrote: oh yes, Best, the macro "god" from BW. I think this is the guy that I've seen routinely use the supply call downs because of supply blocks. I think it's him, anyways because I have this memory of being confused that the guy was supposed to be really amazing at macro in BW...
On April 08 2013 15:18 Aerisky wrote: Dammit Stork
Grrr Parting now has an anti-fan in me for beating Stork T_T Those aren't even a legit celebrations, he's just finger-wagging and throat-cutting and thumbs-downing >:[
When it comes to annoying ceremonies, Khan fans are ones to talk. I remember the vuvuzela phase quite well.
lol I hate it when people lump fans of teams into groups to criticize it's just dishonest and mean-spirited (sometimes it's in good fun, like playful trash-talking, but I've rarely seen any of that kind)
To each his own, I thought vuvuzelas were actually interesting. Parting's ceremonies are all negative and have been done before over and over and over again. Granted vuvuzela ceremonies aren't exactly original (and are pretty lame, let's be real), but I generally don't have an opinion about them unless they're just mean and boring. I thought it was funny that the vuvuzelas ended up getting banned though lol
This isn't TL general or KMD; read my posts as if I were incredulously whining and playfully tossing around hyperbole, I'm not actually being serious lol my beef isn't with his ceremonies, it's with him beating Stork (if you can call it a legitimate beef). Also when I say anti-fan, pretend I'm not actually the kind that goes around shitting on players or perpetually dissing kpop groups, and instead just assume I was kidding! See, fewer negative feelings ^^
I feel like Shine will win but I'd like to see Best do well, haven't been able to seen much of his wins. I think there was a game a while ago in which he got steamrolled by Flash in the very first engagement that was sort of sad ;(
And yeah @below I noticed he looked zombie-ish leading up to the game too lol
On April 08 2013 15:35 DidYuhim wrote: Best's eyes look baggy ~_~
OGN color magics at work he looks like he wears all kinds of makeup on his face and when he moves his head, it leaves traces of color where it was before
On April 08 2013 15:30 Jacmert wrote: oh yes, Best, the macro "god" from BW. I think this is the guy that I've seen routinely use the supply call downs because of supply blocks. I think it's him, anyways because I have this memory of being confused that the guy was supposed to be really amazing at macro in BW...
On April 08 2013 15:30 Jacmert wrote: oh yes, Best, the macro "god" from BW. I think this is the guy that I've seen routinely use the supply call downs because of supply blocks. I think it's him, anyways because I have this memory of being confused that the guy was supposed to be really amazing at macro in BW...
That would be hilarious.
Great. My amazing memory strikes again #embarassed LOL
On April 08 2013 15:46 Mohdoo wrote: Best REALLY impressing me right now
I dunno, credit where credit is due, but fwiw Shine did make some horrible decisions and refuse to harass Best to prevent him from just getting a huge army; also Best made some poor decisions as well D:
On April 08 2013 15:51 slowbacontron wrote: SNM haters are purposefully mishearing him to bash him more >.< He said Bisu WASN'T known for his PvT, guys.
On April 08 2013 15:51 slowbacontron wrote: SNM haters are purposefully mishearing him to bash him more >.< He said Bisu WASN'T known for his PvT, guys.
It's often hard to understand what he says, tho.
Really, so that'll make a person miss an entire word, "not", when listening to him?
I don't get why the have the same length on the commercials when it's only on SPOTV and not OGN. When it's on OGN I get it because it's real TV but isn't SPOTV like GOM and only on internet?
On April 08 2013 15:53 Tobblish wrote: I don't get why the have the same length on the commercials when it's only on SPOTV and not OGN. When it's on OGN I get it because it's real TV but isn't SPOTV like GOM and only on internet?
That Build from best was the most ridiculous build of all time.
Open stargate then take a fast third and rush colossus with 5 sentries? I see this all the time on the ladder and I just fake hydras and then max roach drop on you because guess what...you cant hold 3 bases with like 6 units.
On April 08 2013 15:53 Tobblish wrote: I don't get why the have the same length on the commercials when it's only on SPOTV and not OGN. When it's on OGN I get it because it's real TV but isn't SPOTV like GOM and only on internet?
so that they get paid?
When I watch the Korean feed it's mostly only interviews.. Actually this break was a lot shorter so GG.
Is there a chance Bisu can still win an OSL? Because i know Bisu always wanted to win an OSL. It's like every progamer dream and if he can get through the OSL Qualifier.he can get that monkey off his back.
On April 08 2013 15:58 FakeDeath wrote: Is there a chance Bisu can still win an OSL? Because i know Bisu always wanted to win an OSL. It's like every progamer dream and if he can get through the OSL Qualifier.he can get that monkey off his back.
Is it confirmed there will be an OSL this year?
yes, it'll be after the gsl serving as the 2nd season of WCS Korea
On April 08 2013 15:58 FakeDeath wrote: Is there a chance Bisu can still win an OSL? Because i know Bisu always wanted to win an OSL. It's like every progamer dream and if he can get through the OSL Qualifier.he can get that monkey off his back.
Is it confirmed there will be an OSL this year?
It is but it's only unofficially an OSL now. Technically it's a WCS Korea thing
On April 08 2013 15:58 FakeDeath wrote: Is there a chance Bisu can still win an OSL? Because i know Bisu always wanted to win an OSL. It's like every progamer dream and if he can get through the OSL Qualifier.he can get that monkey off his back.
Is it confirmed there will be an OSL this year?
It is but it's only unofficially an OSL now. Technically it's a WCS Korea thing
Well technically it's OSL and GSL but that exists within the WCS. Kinda like some the F1 stops wasn't part of the championship and didn't count as points. (some years ago) (but in this case these are NASL, DH etc)
On April 08 2013 15:58 FakeDeath wrote: Is there a chance Bisu can still win an OSL? Because i know Bisu always wanted to win an OSL. It's like every progamer dream and if he can get through the OSL Qualifier.he can get that monkey off his back.
Is it confirmed there will be an OSL this year?
It is but it's only unofficially an OSL now. Technically it's a WCS Korea thing
I think it's still officially OSL, only now tied to WCS Korea.
On April 08 2013 15:58 FakeDeath wrote: Is there a chance Bisu can still win an OSL? Because i know Bisu always wanted to win an OSL. It's like every progamer dream and if he can get through the OSL Qualifier.he can get that monkey off his back.
Is it confirmed there will be an OSL this year?
It is but it's only unofficially an OSL now. Technically it's a WCS Korea thing
I think it's still officially OSL, only now tied to WCS Korea.
Hm possible, I was just assuming since the current GSL is called WCS Korea Season 1
Don't fall back into mediocrity Khan, we just emerged from a horrible horrible round irrc with some epic wins, just to get 4-0'd by all protoss line-up from SKT lol
1 widow mine in each mineral line deflects oracles. There wasn't really anything special with bisu's oracle play. The commentators definitely hyped it more than what was warranted. Yes the oracle got 12 kills, but that was because True never had enough units to deflect it.
On April 08 2013 16:18 marvin. wrote: Can someone summarize the Bisu game? PLEASE? THANKS <3
Turn tried to go for a proxy 2 rax but bisu scouted it and deflected it, unfortunately lost quite a few probes. bisu follows up with stargate oracles and kills a lot of turn's workers, game continues normally until turn is forced to all in from the economy deficit. turn pulls all his SCV's bomber style and bisu holds the all in.
On April 08 2013 16:20 Type|NarutO wrote: -_- my FPL says please Rain win, but I don't want to see a 4-0. Also he could be in ace and win it... meh t.t ; No one wants to see a 4 -0, right? ;
I'd like to see more games but 4-0 is good for SKT catching up to WJS.
I dont even need to watch, to conclude Turn probably fucked up. Its what he does in SC2, every match i saw he did some facepalm inducing decision-making/blunder.
On April 08 2013 16:18 marvin. wrote: Can someone summarize the Bisu game? PLEASE? THANKS <3
TurN opened 3 rax, 2 of which were proxied. Bisu beat it with 2 stalkers and the mothership core, losing 11 probes. TurN went home and expanded. Bisu followed up his own expo with stargate and killed 12 probes in return with 2 oracles. TurN went for some attack with only marines and Bisu shut it down easily. GG.
On April 08 2013 16:18 marvin. wrote: Can someone summarize the Bisu game? PLEASE? THANKS <3
Turn goes for a 2rax with one of the barracks being proxied near Bisu's base. 2rax turns into 3rax as Turn does s frightening push into Bisu's main. Bisu deflects it but takes heavy probe losses. Both players expand, but Bisu also puts up a Stargate. Bisu kills a lot of Turn's workers with some nice Oracle harassment that puts Bisu in an economic lead. Turn tries to push into Bisu's natural several times but fails each time, and finally GGs after he failed his last push even with SCVs pulled.
On April 08 2013 16:19 letian wrote: I wonder how long does PL last with that amount of audience?
For some reason GOM events have way more people attend.
The days they play in the mall place always have pretty average crowds, there is also a lot of sc2 to watch live in Korea atm so I could see a lot of fans being pretty picky with what they go and watch.
in hots new, the BADASS, KICKASS terran music that started every match in WoL with terran in it now doesnt start the match anymore
that music seriously was 99% of the energy of WoL matches containing terran. remember the MMA vs Idra days back at MLG... that music... pumping you up at the start of the game...
Man I really wish Terrans would actually use Hellbats TvP. I am very confused why I see so much marauder marine right now, hellbat marine ghost viking or hellbat marauder viking is so much better. I have an insanely easy time vs marine marauder on ladder right now.
This game just illustrates everything that is wrong about Sc2. What the fuck did Rain actually do to win that game? For 90%+ of the viewers are I am sure that it just looked the Rain turtled for 15-20 minutes, and then a-moved raped his opponent. Im sure he probably did something that was difficult to execute, but it should be alot easier to see as a spectator when someone does something that is difficult to execute.
On April 08 2013 16:40 Ender2701 wrote: Man I really wish Terrans would actually use Hellbats TvP. I am very confused why I see so much marauder marine right now, hellbat marine ghost viking or hellbat marauder viking is so much better. I have an insanely easy time vs marine marauder on ladder right now.
It's really good in theory but it actually feels really awkward to mix in hellbat with MMM just like mixing ghosts in mech.
On April 08 2013 16:40 Ender2701 wrote: Man I really wish Terrans would actually use Hellbats TvP. I am very confused why I see so much marauder marine right now, hellbat marine ghost viking or hellbat marauder viking is so much better. I have an insanely easy time vs marine marauder on ladder right now.
It's really good in theory but it actually feels really awkward to mix in hellbat with MMM just like mixing ghosts in mech.
I've hit it on ladder. Every Terran I've seen using it has an insane TvP winrate, and this is high master/low GM. We also saw it in herOmarine vs CranK when heromarine won.
On April 08 2013 16:40 Hider wrote: This game just illustrates everything that is wrong about Sc2. What the fuck did Rain actually do to win that game? For 90%+ of the viewers are I am sure that it just looked the Rain turtled for 15-20 minutes, and then a-moved raped his opponent. Im sure he probably did something that was difficult to execute, but it should be alot easier to see as a spectator when someone does something that is difficult to execute.
Are you joking? He built his economy, tech and army while perfectly defending Reality's pressure.
Reality invested in harassment which failed, so he was at a disadvantage. Not to mention Rain also had excellent control in that final battle, especially when he sniped all those full medivacs that Reality mistakenly loaded and did not boost.
Not what I'm actually using at present. Would've responded sooner but was swapping less dodgy with better solution and watching my FPL points stack up.
On April 08 2013 16:40 Hider wrote: This game just illustrates everything that is wrong about Sc2. What the fuck did Rain actually do to win that game? For 90%+ of the viewers are I am sure that it just looked the Rain turtled for 15-20 minutes, and then a-moved raped his opponent. Im sure he probably did something that was difficult to execute, but it should be alot easier to see as a spectator when someone does something that is difficult to execute.
There are aggressive protoss styles too, Rain just choose to play a solid style of defending until he has a large enough advantage to attack. The way he executed his build was beautiful to watch for me being a protoss player.
On April 08 2013 16:40 Hider wrote: This game just illustrates everything that is wrong about Sc2. What the fuck did Rain actually do to win that game? For 90%+ of the viewers are I am sure that it just looked the Rain turtled for 15-20 minutes, and then a-moved raped his opponent. Im sure he probably did something that was difficult to execute, but it should be alot easier to see as a spectator when someone does something that is difficult to execute.
the game still has problems imo and is still heavily deathballish. But i feel terrans should get hellbats / the new thors (which are immune to feedback) combined with bio/viking/medivacs and if terrans STILL lose horribly against the protoss deathball then maybe there is a bigger problem at hand here. the terran super army should trade "evenly" against the toss army allowing back and forth trades, in that game the protoss army clearly just stomped all over the terran army (but the terran army was just bio, no hellbats, no new thors)
i guess flash will provide the answers soon (hopefully) if he cant find an answer there is no answer imo even he lost to rain but the match looked a bit closer
also as a protoss player i was heavily against the mothership core nexus cannon concept because it just made any good protoss (like rain) garuntee the game is a 3base macro deathball fest since the mothership core should realistically make all early game aggression nonviable against a good toss... but the extreme power of the widow mine (for its relative cheap cost) imo is the new toy terrans need to try to abuse to do early game aggression against toss without the widow mine nothing will work imo
the widow mine is pretty powerful for its 75/25 cost and it comes so early... the insane early power of the widow mine may be why blizzard wanted protoss to get the insane early power of the mamma core
On April 08 2013 16:40 Hider wrote: This game just illustrates everything that is wrong about Sc2. What the fuck did Rain actually do to win that game? For 90%+ of the viewers are I am sure that it just looked the Rain turtled for 15-20 minutes, and then a-moved raped his opponent. Im sure he probably did something that was difficult to execute, but it should be alot easier to see as a spectator when someone does something that is difficult to execute.
Are you joking? He built his economy, tech and army while perfectly defending Reality's pressure.
Reality invested in harassment which failed, so he was at a disadvantage. Not to mention Rain also had excellent control in that final battle, especially when he sniped all those full medivacs that Reality mistakenly loaded and did not boost.
Wait? You dont praise someone for building an economy and teching and building army right? This isn't Starcraft 2 anno 2010 or Sim City. Also I like the fact that you couldn't say one thing Rain did to win that battle (when medivcacs were sniped the battle was already won).
There are aggressive protoss styles too, Rain just choose to play a solid style of defending until he has a large enough advantage to attack. The way he executed his build was beautiful to watch for me being a protoss player.
Maybe - but the problem is that you have to be a "competetive" protoss player to enjoy that type of game. I still have no idea what Rain did that was actually executed better than the average master league player.
It is my understanding that one way for protoss to play is to hold off Terran pressure until he gets a really strong army, then move out, try to play it well positionally, and then hope to crush the Terran army. Reality did not successfully harass Rain at all because Rain's defense was really good+his harass wasn't good enough I suppose, so Reality lost in one fell swoop (plus he made some poor decisions). It wasn't that fun to watch though just imho, but a win's a win.
On April 08 2013 16:40 Hider wrote: This game just illustrates everything that is wrong about Sc2. What the fuck did Rain actually do to win that game? For 90%+ of the viewers are I am sure that it just looked the Rain turtled for 15-20 minutes, and then a-moved raped his opponent. Im sure he probably did something that was difficult to execute, but it should be alot easier to see as a spectator when someone does something that is difficult to execute.
the game still has problems imo and is still heavily deathballish. But i feel terrans should get hellbats / the new thors (which are immune to feedback) combined with bio/viking/medivacs and if terrans STILL lose horribly against the protoss deathball then maybe there is a bigger problem at hand here
I don't think there's any balance issues with Terran vs Protoss army compositions. If you have ghosts to blanket emp the zealots and archons they will melt, leaving all the key units vulnerable.
On April 08 2013 16:40 Hider wrote: This game just illustrates everything that is wrong about Sc2. What the fuck did Rain actually do to win that game? For 90%+ of the viewers are I am sure that it just looked the Rain turtled for 15-20 minutes, and then a-moved raped his opponent. Im sure he probably did something that was difficult to execute, but it should be alot easier to see as a spectator when someone does something that is difficult to execute.
Are you joking? He built his economy, tech and army while perfectly defending Reality's pressure.
Reality invested in harassment which failed, so he was at a disadvantage. Not to mention Rain also had excellent control in that final battle, especially when he sniped all those full medivacs that Reality mistakenly loaded and did not boost.
Wait? You dont praise someone for building an economy and teching and building army right? This isn't Starcraft 2 anno 2010 or Sim City. Also I like the fact that you couldn't say one thing Rain did to win that battle (when medivcacs were sniped the battle was already won).
There are aggressive protoss styles too, Rain just choose to play a solid style of defending until he has a large enough advantage to attack. The way he executed his build was beautiful to watch for me being a protoss player.
Maybe - but the problem is that you have to be a "competetive" protoss player to enjoy that type of game. I still have no idea what Rain did that was actually executed better than the average master league player.
I agree with you, although I would argue the same thing happened in BW TvP with the Terran player defending and then attacking with his near-max army.
Bleh I missed Rain . I don't understand the complaints about Rain's play. Gateway versus any bio after the ultra early game... or even in the early game. Management style ist he smart way to go.
On April 08 2013 16:40 Hider wrote: This game just illustrates everything that is wrong about Sc2. What the fuck did Rain actually do to win that game? For 90%+ of the viewers are I am sure that it just looked the Rain turtled for 15-20 minutes, and then a-moved raped his opponent. Im sure he probably did something that was difficult to execute, but it should be alot easier to see as a spectator when someone does something that is difficult to execute.
Execution wise, this game was very easy actually. There was nothing particularly difficult done by Rain. The only hard/impressive part of this game was knowing when to expand to his third and the other building timings. Other than that, he probably wasn't playing anywhere near his max APM.
If you had a masters player play the game and had Rain tell him what to do, the game probably would have looked the same. Reality was way too marauder heavy and Rain literally just a-moved.
On April 08 2013 16:40 Hider wrote: This game just illustrates everything that is wrong about Sc2. What the fuck did Rain actually do to win that game? For 90%+ of the viewers are I am sure that it just looked the Rain turtled for 15-20 minutes, and then a-moved raped his opponent. Im sure he probably did something that was difficult to execute, but it should be alot easier to see as a spectator when someone does something that is difficult to execute.
Are you joking? He built his economy, tech and army while perfectly defending Reality's pressure.
Reality invested in harassment which failed, so he was at a disadvantage. Not to mention Rain also had excellent control in that final battle, especially when he sniped all those full medivacs that Reality mistakenly loaded and did not boost.
Wait? You dont praise someone for building an economy and teching and building army right? This isn't Starcraft 2 anno 2010 or Sim City. Also I like the fact that you couldn't say one thing Rain did to win that battle (when medivcacs were sniped the battle was already won).
There are aggressive protoss styles too, Rain just choose to play a solid style of defending until he has a large enough advantage to attack. The way he executed his build was beautiful to watch for me being a protoss player.
Maybe - but the problem is that you have to be a "competetive" protoss player to enjoy that type of game. I still have no idea what Rain did that was actually executed better than the average master league player.
Rain won that battle because he already had an advantage in army composition, having fended off Reality's aggression without taking damage.
You don't substantiate your claim that matches like these can't be enjoyed by anyone but competitive players of the races involved—you're an example group of one, and I who barely play SC2 can say I did enjoy it, and we're at a stalemate...
I get your point, that games with more back-and-forth action are more enjoyable, and I agree they are. You make some ridiculous claims though.
I thought Rain's vision coverage around his base was very thoughtful. He had two Observers right outside his main, Pylons watching around his third, and his army straddling in between his bases that was split well enough to be able to react against any of the easily seen drops at a moment's notice. The game might have been different if Rain didn't have as good of a coverage as he did and if Reality actually did damage with his drops.
On April 08 2013 17:05 eviltomahawk wrote: I thought Rain's vision coverage around his base was very thoughtful. He had two Observers right outside his main, Pylons watching around his third, and his army straddling in between his bases that was split well enough to be able to react against any of the easily seen drops at a moment's notice. The game might have been different if Rain didn't have as good of a coverage as he did and if Reality actually did damage with his drops.
Definitely, and that's mostly what it came down to. It was the best drop defense I've seen in HotS so far, with immaculate vision and army composition and splits.
Reality should have cut his losses and returned home with those medivacs when he realized everywhere he tried to drop Rain was ready to meet him. Instead he lost a lot more losing all those units to kill a few zealots.
On April 08 2013 16:40 Hider wrote: This game just illustrates everything that is wrong about Sc2. What the fuck did Rain actually do to win that game? For 90%+ of the viewers are I am sure that it just looked the Rain turtled for 15-20 minutes, and then a-moved raped his opponent. Im sure he probably did something that was difficult to execute, but it should be alot easier to see as a spectator when someone does something that is difficult to execute.
Are you joking? He built his economy, tech and army while perfectly defending Reality's pressure.
Reality invested in harassment which failed, so he was at a disadvantage. Not to mention Rain also had excellent control in that final battle, especially when he sniped all those full medivacs that Reality mistakenly loaded and did not boost.
Wait? You dont praise someone for building an economy and teching and building army right? This isn't Starcraft 2 anno 2010 or Sim City. Also I like the fact that you couldn't say one thing Rain did to win that battle (when medivcacs were sniped the battle was already won).
There are aggressive protoss styles too, Rain just choose to play a solid style of defending until he has a large enough advantage to attack. The way he executed his build was beautiful to watch for me being a protoss player.
Maybe - but the problem is that you have to be a "competetive" protoss player to enjoy that type of game. I still have no idea what Rain did that was actually executed better than the average master league player.
Rain won that battle because he already had an advantage in army composition, having fended off Reality's aggression without taking damage.
You don't substantiate your claim that matches like these can't be enjoyed by anyone but competitive players of the races involved—you're an example group of one, and I who barely play SC2 can say I did enjoy it, and we're at a stalemate...
I get your point, that games with more back-and-forth action are more enjoyable, and I agree they are. You make some ridiculous claims though.
There will always be outliars. Regarding your analysis of the game, I think your wrong as Rain took alot of damage when he tried to engage before that and if you want to defend harass (as prtoss) you can actually do that - Terrans really have no reliable way of dealing direct damage.
Anyway, but this isn't the point, this is actually quite irrelevant and I am not even complaining that we don't get to see a back and fourth multitaskbased game. But given that we have to watch two deathballs clash vs each other after a turtling period, then I want to see a battle of micro vs micro. The fact that one player just attack moves kills the shit out of me.
On April 08 2013 16:53 p14c wrote: It's getting boring to see only tier 1 and 2 terran units...It's even worse than WOL. "Thank you" David Kim for completely killing mech...
Because people went mech vs Protoss loads in WoL amirite?
On April 08 2013 16:39 Dodgin wrote: I have Parting, Rain, Bisu and Best on my team. SKT is my team. here comes those fantasy points :D
I am jealous of your team. Have been since I saw it in the "post your team" thread but I lacked the faith to go down that path (couldn't get further than Rain/Parting/Fantasy).
..and it also felt wrong to copy/be heavily influenced by a fellow netizens team, you know.
On April 08 2013 18:26 Qikz wrote: Just watched Bisu win again. Great start to my morning! :D:D:D
Yup me too. First thing I did in the morning! Bisu!!!!!!!!!!!!! Oh man SPL has been great in round 4. It's almost like what the atmosphere used to feel like.
On April 08 2013 21:32 HeartOfTheSwarm wrote: Lol SKT went from terran pwoerhouse to toss powerhouse (Boxer,Midas, iloveoov --> Bisu, Parting, Rain)
Even the SKT zergs were impressive last round. With Fantasy being the only top-tier Terran that SKT has, SKT's Terran lineup is surprisingly the weakest of the three right now.
On April 08 2013 21:32 HeartOfTheSwarm wrote: Lol SKT went from terran pwoerhouse to toss powerhouse (Boxer,Midas, iloveoov --> Bisu, Parting, Rain)
Even the SKT zergs were impressive last round. With Fantasy being the only top-tier Terran that SKT has, SKT's Terran lineup is surprisingly the weakest of the three right now.
It seems it's been like that for a while. Even during 2010-11, their zergs would sometimes do well. Fantasy's been carrying the terran lineup by himself for a long while now.
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