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Chairman Ray
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States11903 Posts
April 08 2013 07:40 GMT
#461
ggz skt
vrok
Profile Joined August 2009
Sweden2541 Posts
April 08 2013 07:40 GMT
#462
Laaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaameeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee.

Not getting to see Fantasy vs Jangbi is a fucking crime.
"Starcraft 2 very easy game" - White-Ra
Ender2701
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United States581 Posts
April 08 2013 07:40 GMT
#463
Man I really wish Terrans would actually use Hellbats TvP. I am very confused why I see so much marauder marine right now, hellbat marine ghost viking or hellbat marauder viking is so much better. I have an insanely easy time vs marine marauder on ladder right now.
Zerg.Zilla
Profile Joined February 2012
Hungary5029 Posts
April 08 2013 07:40 GMT
#464
So no RorO for today well that sucks...
(•_•) ( •_•)>⌐■-■ (⌐■_■) ~Keep calm and inject Larva~
mrtomjones
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada4020 Posts
April 08 2013 07:40 GMT
#465
On April 08 2013 16:38 Ghanburighan wrote:
God damn it. Placing Parting in my anti was a pretty bad idea >_<

Woah you just got me to check mine and I am 81st.. normally my unresearched teams do god awful. I'll probably tank next week.
Hider
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Denmark9447 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-08 07:41:07
April 08 2013 07:40 GMT
#466
This game just illustrates everything that is wrong about Sc2. What the fuck did Rain actually do to win that game? For 90%+ of the viewers are I am sure that it just looked the Rain turtled for 15-20 minutes, and then a-moved raped his opponent. Im sure he probably did something that was difficult to execute, but it should be alot easier to see as a spectator when someone does something that is difficult to execute.
Salteador Neo
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Andorra5591 Posts
April 08 2013 07:40 GMT
#467
On April 08 2013 16:39 ne4aJIb wrote:
protoss too strong :D


Mass doom drop on top of enermy army too stupid :D
Revolutionist fan
Wildmoon
Profile Joined December 2011
Thailand4189 Posts
April 08 2013 07:41 GMT
#468
On April 08 2013 16:40 Ender2701 wrote:
Man I really wish Terrans would actually use Hellbats TvP. I am very confused why I see so much marauder marine right now, hellbat marine ghost viking or hellbat marauder viking is so much better. I have an insanely easy time vs marine marauder on ladder right now.


It's really good in theory but it actually feels really awkward to mix in hellbat with MMM just like mixing ghosts in mech.
eviltomahawk
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States11135 Posts
April 08 2013 07:41 GMT
#469
Bisu as a 2-point Protoss was definitely a great FPL bargain. Good job!
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gobbledydook
Profile Joined October 2012
Australia2605 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-08 07:43:26
April 08 2013 07:42 GMT
#470
On April 08 2013 16:39 Dodgin wrote:
I have Parting, Rain, Bisu and Best on my team. SKT is my team. here comes those fantasy points :D


YOU WIN

+4 PartinG
+5 Rain (3 win streak)
+4 Bisu
+4 Best
+6 SKT

OMG

I only had Bisu and Stork only +4
I am a dirty Protoss bullshit abuser
Ender2701
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United States581 Posts
April 08 2013 07:43 GMT
#471
On April 08 2013 16:41 Wildmoon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2013 16:40 Ender2701 wrote:
Man I really wish Terrans would actually use Hellbats TvP. I am very confused why I see so much marauder marine right now, hellbat marine ghost viking or hellbat marauder viking is so much better. I have an insanely easy time vs marine marauder on ladder right now.


It's really good in theory but it actually feels really awkward to mix in hellbat with MMM just like mixing ghosts in mech.


I've hit it on ladder. Every Terran I've seen using it has an insane TvP winrate, and this is high master/low GM. We also saw it in herOmarine vs CranK when heromarine won.
Giriath
Profile Joined May 2011
Sweden2412 Posts
April 08 2013 07:43 GMT
#472
On April 08 2013 16:40 Hider wrote:
This game just illustrates everything that is wrong about Sc2. What the fuck did Rain actually do to win that game? For 90%+ of the viewers are I am sure that it just looked the Rain turtled for 15-20 minutes, and then a-moved raped his opponent. Im sure he probably did something that was difficult to execute, but it should be alot easier to see as a spectator when someone does something that is difficult to execute.


Are you joking? He built his economy, tech and army while perfectly defending Reality's pressure.

Reality invested in harassment which failed, so he was at a disadvantage. Not to mention Rain also had excellent control in that final battle, especially when he sniped all those full medivacs that Reality mistakenly loaded and did not boost.
Education should be our seniors guiding us to be "who" we want to be, not "what" we want to be.
fuzzylogic44
Profile Joined December 2011
Canada2633 Posts
April 08 2013 07:44 GMT
#473
SKT is too Protoss heavy, vulnerable to meta game shifts
felisconcolori
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States6169 Posts
April 08 2013 07:44 GMT
#474
On April 08 2013 15:51 figq wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2013 15:50 felisconcolori wrote:
Watching on VLC.
How?

edit: ah, good old http://hd.ognp2p.gscdn.com/ognsdlive works


Not what I'm actually using at present. Would've responded sooner but was swapping less dodgy with better solution and watching my FPL points stack up.

Now if KT can just perform as well, I'm set.
Yes, I email sponsors... to thank them. Don't post drunk, kids. My king, what has become of you?
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
April 08 2013 07:44 GMT
#475
On April 08 2013 16:40 Hider wrote:
This game just illustrates everything that is wrong about Sc2. What the fuck did Rain actually do to win that game? For 90%+ of the viewers are I am sure that it just looked the Rain turtled for 15-20 minutes, and then a-moved raped his opponent. Im sure he probably did something that was difficult to execute, but it should be alot easier to see as a spectator when someone does something that is difficult to execute.


There are aggressive protoss styles too, Rain just choose to play a solid style of defending until he has a large enough advantage to attack. The way he executed his build was beautiful to watch for me being a protoss player.
Fearest
Profile Joined September 2011
854 Posts
April 08 2013 07:45 GMT
#476
wow that commercial is so good with 3 players from each team showing off
centergoliath4
Profile Joined March 2013
37 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-08 07:49:12
April 08 2013 07:45 GMT
#477
On April 08 2013 16:40 Hider wrote:
This game just illustrates everything that is wrong about Sc2. What the fuck did Rain actually do to win that game? For 90%+ of the viewers are I am sure that it just looked the Rain turtled for 15-20 minutes, and then a-moved raped his opponent. Im sure he probably did something that was difficult to execute, but it should be alot easier to see as a spectator when someone does something that is difficult to execute.


the game still has problems imo and is still heavily deathballish. But i feel terrans should get hellbats / the new thors (which are immune to feedback) combined with bio/viking/medivacs and if terrans STILL lose horribly against the protoss deathball then maybe there is a bigger problem at hand here. the terran super army should trade "evenly" against the toss army allowing back and forth trades, in that game the protoss army clearly just stomped all over the terran army (but the terran army was just bio, no hellbats, no new thors)


i guess flash will provide the answers soon (hopefully) if he cant find an answer there is no answer imo even he lost to rain but the match looked a bit closer



also as a protoss player i was heavily against the mothership core nexus cannon concept because it just made any good protoss (like rain) garuntee the game is a 3base macro deathball fest since the mothership core should realistically make all early game aggression nonviable against a good toss... but the extreme power of the widow mine (for its relative cheap cost) imo is the new toy terrans need to try to abuse to do early game aggression against toss without the widow mine nothing will work imo

the widow mine is pretty powerful for its 75/25 cost and it comes so early... the insane early power of the widow mine may be why blizzard wanted protoss to get the insane early power of the mamma core
Hider
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Denmark9447 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-08 07:49:30
April 08 2013 07:46 GMT
#478
On April 08 2013 16:43 Giriath wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2013 16:40 Hider wrote:
This game just illustrates everything that is wrong about Sc2. What the fuck did Rain actually do to win that game? For 90%+ of the viewers are I am sure that it just looked the Rain turtled for 15-20 minutes, and then a-moved raped his opponent. Im sure he probably did something that was difficult to execute, but it should be alot easier to see as a spectator when someone does something that is difficult to execute.


Are you joking? He built his economy, tech and army while perfectly defending Reality's pressure.

Reality invested in harassment which failed, so he was at a disadvantage. Not to mention Rain also had excellent control in that final battle, especially when he sniped all those full medivacs that Reality mistakenly loaded and did not boost.


Wait? You dont praise someone for building an economy and teching and building army right? This isn't Starcraft 2 anno 2010 or Sim City.
Also I like the fact that you couldn't say one thing Rain did to win that battle (when medivcacs were sniped the battle was already won).


There are aggressive protoss styles too, Rain just choose to play a solid style of defending until he has a large enough advantage to attack. The way he executed his build was beautiful to watch for me being a protoss player.


Maybe - but the problem is that you have to be a "competetive" protoss player to enjoy that type of game. I still have no idea what Rain did that was actually executed better than the average master league player.
endy
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Switzerland8970 Posts
April 08 2013 07:49 GMT
#479
That's my SKT boys !
ॐ
Aerisky
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States12129 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-08 07:50:21
April 08 2013 07:49 GMT
#480
It is my understanding that one way for protoss to play is to hold off Terran pressure until he gets a really strong army, then move out, try to play it well positionally, and then hope to crush the Terran army. Reality did not successfully harass Rain at all because Rain's defense was really good+his harass wasn't good enough I suppose, so Reality lost in one fell swoop (plus he made some poor decisions). It wasn't that fun to watch though just imho, but a win's a win.
Jim while Johnny had had had had had had had; had had had had the better effect on the teacher.
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