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On April 08 2013 16:45 centergoliath4 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2013 16:40 Hider wrote:
This game just illustrates everything that is wrong about Sc2. What the fuck did Rain actually do to win that game? For 90%+ of the viewers are I am sure that it just looked the Rain turtled for 15-20 minutes, and then a-moved raped his opponent. Im sure he probably did something that was difficult to execute, but it should be alot easier to see as a spectator when someone does something that is difficult to execute. the game still has problems imo and is still heavily deathballish. But i feel terrans should get hellbats / the new thors (which are immune to feedback) combined with bio/viking/medivacs and if terrans STILL lose horribly against the protoss deathball then maybe there is a bigger problem at hand here
I don't think there's any balance issues with Terran vs Protoss army compositions. If you have ghosts to blanket emp the zealots and archons they will melt, leaving all the key units vulnerable.
Mines also help against the zealots and archons.
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On April 08 2013 16:46 Hider wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2013 16:43 Giriath wrote:On April 08 2013 16:40 Hider wrote:
This game just illustrates everything that is wrong about Sc2. What the fuck did Rain actually do to win that game? For 90%+ of the viewers are I am sure that it just looked the Rain turtled for 15-20 minutes, and then a-moved raped his opponent. Im sure he probably did something that was difficult to execute, but it should be alot easier to see as a spectator when someone does something that is difficult to execute. Are you joking? He built his economy, tech and army while perfectly defending Reality's pressure. Reality invested in harassment which failed, so he was at a disadvantage. Not to mention Rain also had excellent control in that final battle, especially when he sniped all those full medivacs that Reality mistakenly loaded and did not boost. Wait? You dont praise someone for building an economy and teching and building army right? This isn't Starcraft 2 anno 2010 or Sim City. Also I like the fact that you couldn't say one thing Rain did to win that battle (when medivcacs were sniped the battle was already won). Show nested quote +
There are aggressive protoss styles too, Rain just choose to play a solid style of defending until he has a large enough advantage to attack. The way he executed his build was beautiful to watch for me being a protoss player.
Maybe - but the problem is that you have to be a "competetive" protoss player to enjoy that type of game. I still have no idea what Rain did that was actually executed better than the average master league player.
I agree with you, although I would argue the same thing happened in BW TvP with the Terran player defending and then attacking with his near-max army.
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Is there no LR KT vs STX thread?
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Quite bummed there was no Fantasy vs Jangbi, but still, 4-0 from SKT isn't too bad. 
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Bleh I missed Rain  . I don't understand the complaints about Rain's play. Gateway versus any bio after the ultra early game... or even in the early game. Management style ist he smart way to go.
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It's getting boring to see only tier 1 and 2 terran units...It's even worse than WOL. "Thank you" David Kim for completely killing mech...
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On April 08 2013 16:40 Hider wrote:
This game just illustrates everything that is wrong about Sc2. What the fuck did Rain actually do to win that game? For 90%+ of the viewers are I am sure that it just looked the Rain turtled for 15-20 minutes, and then a-moved raped his opponent. Im sure he probably did something that was difficult to execute, but it should be alot easier to see as a spectator when someone does something that is difficult to execute.
Execution wise, this game was very easy actually. There was nothing particularly difficult done by Rain. The only hard/impressive part of this game was knowing when to expand to his third and the other building timings. Other than that, he probably wasn't playing anywhere near his max APM.
If you had a masters player play the game and had Rain tell him what to do, the game probably would have looked the same. Reality was way too marauder heavy and Rain literally just a-moved.
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On April 08 2013 16:46 Hider wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2013 16:43 Giriath wrote:On April 08 2013 16:40 Hider wrote:
This game just illustrates everything that is wrong about Sc2. What the fuck did Rain actually do to win that game? For 90%+ of the viewers are I am sure that it just looked the Rain turtled for 15-20 minutes, and then a-moved raped his opponent. Im sure he probably did something that was difficult to execute, but it should be alot easier to see as a spectator when someone does something that is difficult to execute. Are you joking? He built his economy, tech and army while perfectly defending Reality's pressure. Reality invested in harassment which failed, so he was at a disadvantage. Not to mention Rain also had excellent control in that final battle, especially when he sniped all those full medivacs that Reality mistakenly loaded and did not boost. Wait? You dont praise someone for building an economy and teching and building army right? This isn't Starcraft 2 anno 2010 or Sim City. Also I like the fact that you couldn't say one thing Rain did to win that battle (when medivcacs were sniped the battle was already won). Show nested quote +
There are aggressive protoss styles too, Rain just choose to play a solid style of defending until he has a large enough advantage to attack. The way he executed his build was beautiful to watch for me being a protoss player.
Maybe - but the problem is that you have to be a "competetive" protoss player to enjoy that type of game. I still have no idea what Rain did that was actually executed better than the average master league player.
Rain won that battle because he already had an advantage in army composition, having fended off Reality's aggression without taking damage.
You don't substantiate your claim that matches like these can't be enjoyed by anyone but competitive players of the races involved—you're an example group of one, and I who barely play SC2 can say I did enjoy it, and we're at a stalemate...
I get your point, that games with more back-and-forth action are more enjoyable, and I agree they are. You make some ridiculous claims though.
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Now waiting for SKT vs Woongjin and SKT vs EGTL!
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Where are all the passionate KT fans to make a thread for their team? 
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On April 08 2013 17:01 Dodgin wrote:Where are all the passionate KT fans to make a thread for their team?
This one has to sleep before work or else he'll walk outside half naked waving a cane around yelling at you kids to get off his lawn.
;P
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On April 08 2013 17:03 felisconcolori wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2013 17:01 Dodgin wrote:Where are all the passionate KT fans to make a thread for their team? This one has to sleep before work or else he'll walk outside half naked waving a cane around yelling at you kids to get off his lawn. ;P
I recommend doing that at least once. Why not today?
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On April 08 2013 17:01 Dodgin wrote:Where are all the passionate KT fans to make a thread for their team?
half-ass fans value sleep over watching their team
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I thought Rain's vision coverage around his base was very thoughtful. He had two Observers right outside his main, Pylons watching around his third, and his army straddling in between his bases that was split well enough to be able to react against any of the easily seen drops at a moment's notice. The game might have been different if Rain didn't have as good of a coverage as he did and if Reality actually did damage with his drops.
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On April 08 2013 17:03 DarkLordOlli wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2013 17:03 felisconcolori wrote:On April 08 2013 17:01 Dodgin wrote:Where are all the passionate KT fans to make a thread for their team? This one has to sleep before work or else he'll walk outside half naked waving a cane around yelling at you kids to get off his lawn. ;P I recommend doing that at least once. Why not today?
I can't afford to be arrested. It's not about me. But who will feed my cat if I'm thrown in jail and lose my job?
THINK OF THE KITTY.
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lol
"welcome to proleague"
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Olli
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On April 08 2013 17:07 felisconcolori wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2013 17:03 DarkLordOlli wrote:On April 08 2013 17:03 felisconcolori wrote:On April 08 2013 17:01 Dodgin wrote:Where are all the passionate KT fans to make a thread for their team? This one has to sleep before work or else he'll walk outside half naked waving a cane around yelling at you kids to get off his lawn. ;P I recommend doing that at least once. Why not today? I can't afford to be arrested. It's not about me. But who will feed my cat if I'm thrown in jail and lose my job? THINK OF THE KITTY.
Understood. I had a male cat called Stan as a kid (props if you see what my old man did there). Cats > rest. You're a good man.
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On April 08 2013 17:05 eviltomahawk wrote:
I thought Rain's vision coverage around his base was very thoughtful. He had two Observers right outside his main, Pylons watching around his third, and his army straddling in between his bases that was split well enough to be able to react against any of the easily seen drops at a moment's notice. The game might have been different if Rain didn't have as good of a coverage as he did and if Reality actually did damage with his drops.
Definitely, and that's mostly what it came down to. It was the best drop defense I've seen in HotS so far, with immaculate vision and army composition and splits.
Reality should have cut his losses and returned home with those medivacs when he realized everywhere he tried to drop Rain was ready to meet him. Instead he lost a lot more losing all those units to kill a few zealots.
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wtf still downtime?
I am checking the stream for an hour now?!
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On April 08 2013 17:19 graNite wrote:
wtf still downtime?
I am checking the stream for an hour now?!
Ok it's starting now
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