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s3rp
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany3192 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-06 16:09:56
April 06 2013 16:07 GMT
#81
I presonally think Hellbats will get a change somewhere down the line .

Those things deal insane damage to just about anything that gets into their range and don't really die against low tech units. Maybe they'll have to be pushed back even further. Early Hellbats is not just strong in TvT . This is pretty strong in TvP as well. In TvZ you can't open with 1 Base Hellbat drop but once you made sure your not too far behind in eco you can start dropping them all around as well.
Emzeeshady
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Canada4203 Posts
April 06 2013 16:07 GMT
#82
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a3den
Profile Joined April 2012
704 Posts
April 06 2013 16:08 GMT
#83
On April 07 2013 01:05 arkedos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2013 01:03 a3den wrote:
On April 07 2013 00:57 sitromit wrote:
So Lucifron's winning strategy in all matchups is to just build a lot of Hellbats and drop them with turbovacs..


Don't blame the players, blame the game (or the game designer).



Well centers initial defense against this was perfect, but I think he did not expect lucifron to be so persistent with his hellbat play. If he defended one more time like the first I think LucifroN would have stopped and wited until Center's attention would be elswhere on the map.


Simply a case of the rewards outweighing the risks when you invested this much into hellbats/1 base play.
SpikeStarcraft
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany2095 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-06 16:10:27
April 06 2013 16:09 GMT
#84
On April 07 2013 01:02 Emzeeshady wrote:
They should send Center again. I think if he prepared better for the hellbats then he would have it. Hyun seems like a poor choice to em but I guess we will have to see.


he was already trying to blind counter lucifrons build. After shutting down the first drops pretty good he didnt expect lucifron to just bang his head against the wall again so he just salvaged the bunker and his defense.

but your gonna be behind if you play too safe because lucifron is on 3 base pretty fast and you cant move out. because the mech player can also build some widow mines and then you cant scan all the way to your opponent.
so at the moment i havent seen anybody who has found a good response to hellbat drops except doing it yourself and hoping you handle it better than your opponent.
PhoenixVoid
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Canada32746 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-06 16:10:25
April 06 2013 16:09 GMT
#85
LucifroN going for the same +1 Hellbat drop timing.

HyuN is prepared with a Roach Warren at least.
I'm afraid of demented knife-wielding escaped lunatic libertarian zombie mutants
Blix
Profile Joined September 2010
Netherlands873 Posts
April 06 2013 16:11 GMT
#86
AbusifroN
Conquer yourself not the world. - Descartes
MasterOfPuppets
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Romania6942 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-06 16:11:59
April 06 2013 16:11 GMT
#87
Bad micro at the natural...
"my shaft scares me too" - strenx 2014
PhoenixVoid
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Canada32746 Posts
April 06 2013 16:12 GMT
#88
LucifroN may be a one-trick pony, but a good one-trick pony. Though HyuN was prepared with Roaches and Queens, he still killed off 13 Drones.
I'm afraid of demented knife-wielding escaped lunatic libertarian zombie mutants
sitromit
Profile Joined June 2011
7051 Posts
April 06 2013 16:12 GMT
#89
Has 4 Queens target firing medivacs, a ton of 1/1 Roaches, loses 13 Drones to Hellbat drops...
MasterOfPuppets
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Romania6942 Posts
April 06 2013 16:12 GMT
#90
On April 07 2013 01:12 PhoenixVoid wrote:
LucifroN may be a one-trick pony, but a good one-trick pony. Though HyuN was prepared with Roaches and Queens, he still killed off 13 Drones.


Have you watched any LucifroN game in WoL?
"my shaft scares me too" - strenx 2014
PhoenixVoid
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Canada32746 Posts
April 06 2013 16:13 GMT
#91
On April 07 2013 01:12 MasterOfPuppets wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2013 01:12 PhoenixVoid wrote:
LucifroN may be a one-trick pony, but a good one-trick pony. Though HyuN was prepared with Roaches and Queens, he still killed off 13 Drones.


Have you watched any LucifroN game in WoL?

Not saying it about LucifroN in general, but about this series.
I'm afraid of demented knife-wielding escaped lunatic libertarian zombie mutants
Sjokola
Profile Joined November 2010
Netherlands800 Posts
April 06 2013 16:13 GMT
#92
At this point Koreans only have two more win in Korean vs foreigners in ATC 19-17 With MaNa scoring 9-2 vs Koreans
SpikeStarcraft
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany2095 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-06 16:16:19
April 06 2013 16:13 GMT
#93
hellbats counter roaches.
hellbtas counter swarm hosts.
Treetime
Profile Joined January 2012
Germany393 Posts
April 06 2013 16:14 GMT
#94
Lucifron with crazy overmins Oo
MasterOfPuppets
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Romania6942 Posts
April 06 2013 16:15 GMT
#95
On April 07 2013 01:14 Treetime wrote:
Lucifron with crazy overmins Oo


Imagine more factories pumping hellbats hahaah.
"my shaft scares me too" - strenx 2014
s3rp
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany3192 Posts
April 06 2013 16:16 GMT
#96
On April 07 2013 01:13 SpikeStarcraft wrote:
hellbats counter roaches.


Anything low tech that gets in range of Hellbats dies to them only weakness the have is that they're slow and have very small range.
Severian
Profile Joined September 2010
Australia2052 Posts
April 06 2013 16:17 GMT
#97
Yeah I don't think Hyun holds that if Lucifron actually builds the 30 more Hellbats he has the money for.
SwansGoMoo
Profile Joined October 2011
United States145 Posts
April 06 2013 16:17 GMT
#98
Never thought I'd be rooting for a Korean Zerg over a foreign Terran, but...go Hyun!
MasterOfPuppets
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Romania6942 Posts
April 06 2013 16:18 GMT
#99
Somehow I don't think roaches with a few swarm hosts are the best composition to go for against mech. ^^

Maybe if he attacked from more angles and on multiple fronts...
"my shaft scares me too" - strenx 2014
sitromit
Profile Joined June 2011
7051 Posts
April 06 2013 16:19 GMT
#100
Swarm hosts are so bad, the locusts die before they get in range to do any damage.
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