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arkedos
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany1426 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-06 16:23:55
April 06 2013 16:23 GMT
#121
Well everyone has to admit, whether hellbats are op or not, LucifroN is playing really really good.
love esports - hate homophobia
MasterOfPuppets
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Romania6942 Posts
April 06 2013 16:23 GMT
#122
On April 07 2013 01:22 Emzeeshady wrote:
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On April 07 2013 01:21 Bagi wrote:
On April 07 2013 01:17 SwansGoMoo wrote:
Never thought I'd be rooting for a Korean Zerg over a foreign Terran, but...go Hyun!

Why though?

He is the underdog. People love underdogs


I don't think HyuN gets the new expansion very well yet... :/
"my shaft scares me too" - strenx 2014
Emzeeshady
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Canada4203 Posts
April 06 2013 16:24 GMT
#123
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a3den
Profile Joined April 2012
704 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-06 16:24:33
April 06 2013 16:24 GMT
#124
So what's the most op guys ? Void rays, hellbats or vipers ?
Emzeeshady
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Canada4203 Posts
April 06 2013 16:24 GMT
#125
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AxionSteel
Profile Joined January 2011
United States7754 Posts
April 06 2013 16:24 GMT
#126
On April 07 2013 01:23 arkedos wrote:
Well everyone has to admit, whether hellbats are op or not, LucifroN is playing really really good.


Indeed, the TvT's were equally lopsided.

PhoenixVoid
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Canada32747 Posts
April 06 2013 16:24 GMT
#127
On April 07 2013 01:23 MasterOfPuppets wrote:
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On April 07 2013 01:22 Emzeeshady wrote:
On April 07 2013 01:21 Bagi wrote:
On April 07 2013 01:17 SwansGoMoo wrote:
Never thought I'd be rooting for a Korean Zerg over a foreign Terran, but...go Hyun!

Why though?

He is the underdog. People love underdogs


I don't think HyuN gets the new expansion very well yet... :/

Nah, HyuN did pretty well in other HotS tournaments, but ZvT seems to be his bane recently.
I'm afraid of demented knife-wielding escaped lunatic libertarian zombie mutants
MasterOfPuppets
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Romania6942 Posts
April 06 2013 16:25 GMT
#128
On April 07 2013 01:24 Emzeeshady wrote:
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On April 07 2013 01:21 MasterOfPuppets wrote:
On April 07 2013 01:21 Emzeeshady wrote:
On April 07 2013 01:18 MasterOfPuppets wrote:
Somehow I don't think roaches with a few swarm hosts are the best composition to go for against mech. ^^

Maybe if he attacked from more angles and on multiple fronts...

It is the best you can hope for at this point.


See my post above. Mutas? ^^

That can be effective but it really has to be a surprise. If Luci has even one thor out then it would be GG. He would also have to save a ton of gas to have enough Mutas out and he would probably be dead by then.


I think muta roach is doable. Instead of making a dozen worthless swarm hosts that don't do much, mutas would give him some map control and harass possibility. And yeah, Luci toned down the drop aggression as the game went on, so I think the surprise factor would be there.
"my shaft scares me too" - strenx 2014
mec
Profile Joined December 2010
Sweden192 Posts
April 06 2013 16:25 GMT
#129
On April 07 2013 01:23 sitromit wrote:
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On April 07 2013 01:20 mec wrote:
On April 07 2013 01:19 sitromit wrote:
Swarm hosts are so bad, the locusts die before they get in range to do any damage.


Bad vs mech maybe, but the unit by itself is great.

We had people saying in another thread just a couple of days ago that they may be bad vs Bio, but they're good vs mech...

What's funny is since the game came out, we've seen more people lose with them than be successful with them in broadcast games, but some people keep saying how good they are.


The thing with swarm hosts is that they are a siege unit, they need support. Once you have that support they are just amazing..
MasterOfPuppets
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Romania6942 Posts
April 06 2013 16:25 GMT
#130
On April 07 2013 01:24 Emzeeshady wrote:
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On April 07 2013 01:23 MasterOfPuppets wrote:
On April 07 2013 01:22 Emzeeshady wrote:
On April 07 2013 01:21 Bagi wrote:
On April 07 2013 01:17 SwansGoMoo wrote:
Never thought I'd be rooting for a Korean Zerg over a foreign Terran, but...go Hyun!

Why though?

He is the underdog. People love underdogs


I don't think HyuN gets the new expansion very well yet... :/

Yah, a lot of Zergs seem to have that in common...


And then you look at Life and get even more frustrated haha XD
"my shaft scares me too" - strenx 2014
Emzeeshady
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Canada4203 Posts
April 06 2013 16:26 GMT
#131
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sitromit
Profile Joined June 2011
7051 Posts
April 06 2013 16:26 GMT
#132
On April 07 2013 01:22 Treetime wrote:
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On April 07 2013 01:19 sitromit wrote:
Swarm hosts are so bad, the locusts die before they get in range to do any damage.

Nope they do fine. They just dont work if the terran has double the tanks.


The reason the tank count got so big eventually in the first place is because Hyun kept losing units while Lucifron did not.

He could have had a 100 swarmhosts, would have made no difference. 200 locusts die the same as 10 locusts to tank fire. They all die before they get in range to do damage.
Emzeeshady
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Canada4203 Posts
April 06 2013 16:26 GMT
#133
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s3rp
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany3192 Posts
April 06 2013 16:27 GMT
#134
On April 07 2013 01:23 sitromit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2013 01:20 mec wrote:
On April 07 2013 01:19 sitromit wrote:
Swarm hosts are so bad, the locusts die before they get in range to do any damage.


Bad vs mech maybe, but the unit by itself is great.

We had people saying in another thread just a couple of days ago that they may be bad vs Bio, but they're good vs mech...

What's funny is since the game came out, we've seen more people lose with them than be successful with them in broadcast games, but some people keep saying how good they are.


They have their use but those are limited. They're great when you siege an opponent and he constantly loses stuff while defending locus. They're useless when the locust die before actually doing anything .
Novacute
Profile Joined September 2011
Australia313 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-06 16:33:16
April 06 2013 16:29 GMT
#135
On April 07 2013 01:26 Emzeeshady wrote:
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On April 07 2013 01:25 MasterOfPuppets wrote:
On April 07 2013 01:24 Emzeeshady wrote:
On April 07 2013 01:23 MasterOfPuppets wrote:
On April 07 2013 01:22 Emzeeshady wrote:
On April 07 2013 01:21 Bagi wrote:
On April 07 2013 01:17 SwansGoMoo wrote:
Never thought I'd be rooting for a Korean Zerg over a foreign Terran, but...go Hyun!

Why though?

He is the underdog. People love underdogs


I don't think HyuN gets the new expansion very well yet... :/

Yah, a lot of Zergs seem to have that in common...


And then you look at Life and get even more frustrated haha XD

Well Life was already playing mostly aggressive in WOL so he had the least adapting to do. Also Life is simply the best there is :p.


Life is on a completely different level, not sure Hyun comes close when it comes to aggressive and extreme multi-tasking and control with ling/bling/muta. He's the only Z player brave enough to effectively run past mines and almost always take minimal damage.
Boucot
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
France15997 Posts
April 06 2013 16:30 GMT
#136
On April 07 2013 01:25 mec wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2013 01:23 sitromit wrote:
On April 07 2013 01:20 mec wrote:
On April 07 2013 01:19 sitromit wrote:
Swarm hosts are so bad, the locusts die before they get in range to do any damage.


Bad vs mech maybe, but the unit by itself is great.

We had people saying in another thread just a couple of days ago that they may be bad vs Bio, but they're good vs mech...

What's funny is since the game came out, we've seen more people lose with them than be successful with them in broadcast games, but some people keep saying how good they are.


The thing with swarm hosts is that they are a siege unit, they need support. Once you have that support they are just amazing..

I think they are the opposite of DTs (when behind, Dark Shrine), you have to be ahead to use them.
Former SC2 writer for Millenium - twitter.com/Boucot
PhoenixVoid
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Canada32747 Posts
April 06 2013 16:31 GMT
#137
Not sure what this Infestor rush build is exactly designed to accomplish. Maybe some weird Infested Terran assault or something, but it won't work well.
I'm afraid of demented knife-wielding escaped lunatic libertarian zombie mutants
Emzeeshady
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Canada4203 Posts
April 06 2013 16:31 GMT
#138
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PhoenixVoid
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Canada32747 Posts
April 06 2013 16:33 GMT
#139
On April 07 2013 01:31 Emzeeshady wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2013 01:29 Novacute wrote:
On April 07 2013 01:26 Emzeeshady wrote:
On April 07 2013 01:25 MasterOfPuppets wrote:
On April 07 2013 01:24 Emzeeshady wrote:
On April 07 2013 01:23 MasterOfPuppets wrote:
On April 07 2013 01:22 Emzeeshady wrote:
On April 07 2013 01:21 Bagi wrote:
On April 07 2013 01:17 SwansGoMoo wrote:
Never thought I'd be rooting for a Korean Zerg over a foreign Terran, but...go Hyun!

Why though?

He is the underdog. People love underdogs


I don't think HyuN gets the new expansion very well yet... :/

Yah, a lot of Zergs seem to have that in common...


And then you look at Life and get even more frustrated haha XD

Well Life was already playing mostly aggressive in WOL so he had the least adapting to do. Also Life is simply the best there is :p.


Life is on a completely different level, not sure Hyun comes close when it comes to aggressive and extreme multi-tasking and control with ling/bling/muta. He's the only Z player brave enough to effectively run past mines and almost always take minimal damage.

Hyun is a macro beast though. I don't know if you saw his ZvZs vs Life in IPL fight club but Hyun won mostly because he has superior macro (to almost anyone). The sheer amount of units he always seems to have is unbelievable. Hyun is capable of doing great. Once he adapts and Zerg gets buffed a bit he should be Code S level again.

I think HotS is more of HyuN's game than WoL because of the buffed Zerg units in the mid-game where HyuN really excels at.
I'm afraid of demented knife-wielding escaped lunatic libertarian zombie mutants
MasterOfPuppets
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Romania6942 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-06 16:34:21
April 06 2013 16:33 GMT
#140
On April 07 2013 01:31 Emzeeshady wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2013 01:29 Novacute wrote:
On April 07 2013 01:26 Emzeeshady wrote:
On April 07 2013 01:25 MasterOfPuppets wrote:
On April 07 2013 01:24 Emzeeshady wrote:
On April 07 2013 01:23 MasterOfPuppets wrote:
On April 07 2013 01:22 Emzeeshady wrote:
On April 07 2013 01:21 Bagi wrote:
On April 07 2013 01:17 SwansGoMoo wrote:
Never thought I'd be rooting for a Korean Zerg over a foreign Terran, but...go Hyun!

Why though?

He is the underdog. People love underdogs


I don't think HyuN gets the new expansion very well yet... :/

Yah, a lot of Zergs seem to have that in common...


And then you look at Life and get even more frustrated haha XD

Well Life was already playing mostly aggressive in WOL so he had the least adapting to do. Also Life is simply the best there is :p.


Life is on a completely different level, not sure Hyun comes close when it comes to aggressive and extreme multi-tasking and control with ling/bling/muta. He's the only Z player brave enough to effectively run past mines and almost always take minimal damage.

Hyun is a macro beast though. I don't know if you saw his ZvZs vs Life in IPL fight club but Hyun won mostly because he has superior macro (to almost anyone). The sheer amount of units he always seems to have is unbelievable. Hyun is capable of doing great. Once he adapts and Zerg gets buffed a bit he should be Code S level again.


I don't think it's a matter of getting buffed... Zerg just kinda forgot how to play properly because of that long, grueling period of ZvT in WoL. ^^ (grueling for Terrans haha)
"my shaft scares me too" - strenx 2014
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