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SpikeStarcraft
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany2095 Posts
April 06 2013 16:34 GMT
#141
On April 07 2013 01:30 Boucot wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2013 01:25 mec wrote:
On April 07 2013 01:23 sitromit wrote:
On April 07 2013 01:20 mec wrote:
On April 07 2013 01:19 sitromit wrote:
Swarm hosts are so bad, the locusts die before they get in range to do any damage.


Bad vs mech maybe, but the unit by itself is great.

We had people saying in another thread just a couple of days ago that they may be bad vs Bio, but they're good vs mech...

What's funny is since the game came out, we've seen more people lose with them than be successful with them in broadcast games, but some people keep saying how good they are.


The thing with swarm hosts is that they are a siege unit, they need support. Once you have that support they are just amazing..

I think they are the opposite of DTs (when behind, Dark Shrine), you have to be ahead to use them.


i think this is very well described :D
as soon as the army dps is high enough to clear locust fast enough swarmhosts look incredibly bad. but if you manage to mass them beyond that point they are invincible and weaken your army more and more.
Novacute
Profile Joined September 2011
Australia313 Posts
April 06 2013 16:34 GMT
#142
Wow Hyun controlled his infestors poorly. A lot of them were running into the bio army head first. He also threw 3 infestors away by not moving them back after casting fungal. Is this really Hyun playing?
MasterOfPuppets
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Romania6942 Posts
April 06 2013 16:36 GMT
#143
Yeah I don't think HyuN has the economy to win this anymore... That bit of denial at the third is good and all but I think he's too far behind at this point. :s
"my shaft scares me too" - strenx 2014
PhoenixVoid
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Canada32747 Posts
April 06 2013 16:36 GMT
#144
Big Zergling run-by somewhat equalizes, but HyuN is still incredibly behind.
I'm afraid of demented knife-wielding escaped lunatic libertarian zombie mutants
mec
Profile Joined December 2010
Sweden192 Posts
April 06 2013 16:36 GMT
#145
On April 07 2013 01:30 Boucot wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2013 01:25 mec wrote:
On April 07 2013 01:23 sitromit wrote:
On April 07 2013 01:20 mec wrote:
On April 07 2013 01:19 sitromit wrote:
Swarm hosts are so bad, the locusts die before they get in range to do any damage.


Bad vs mech maybe, but the unit by itself is great.

We had people saying in another thread just a couple of days ago that they may be bad vs Bio, but they're good vs mech...

What's funny is since the game came out, we've seen more people lose with them than be successful with them in broadcast games, but some people keep saying how good they are.


The thing with swarm hosts is that they are a siege unit, they need support. Once you have that support they are just amazing..

I think they are the opposite of DTs (when behind, Dark Shrine), you have to be ahead to use them.


I cant be disagree with that, when ahead use .... SH. Not really the same sound to it tho
Emzeeshady
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Canada4203 Posts
April 06 2013 16:37 GMT
#146
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Lukeeze[zR]
Profile Joined February 2006
Switzerland6838 Posts
April 06 2013 16:37 GMT
#147
terrans really hate ravens :[
Terran & Potato Salad.
MasterOfPuppets
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Romania6942 Posts
April 06 2013 16:39 GMT
#148
On April 07 2013 01:37 Emzeeshady wrote:
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On April 07 2013 01:33 MasterOfPuppets wrote:
On April 07 2013 01:31 Emzeeshady wrote:
On April 07 2013 01:29 Novacute wrote:
On April 07 2013 01:26 Emzeeshady wrote:
On April 07 2013 01:25 MasterOfPuppets wrote:
On April 07 2013 01:24 Emzeeshady wrote:
On April 07 2013 01:23 MasterOfPuppets wrote:
On April 07 2013 01:22 Emzeeshady wrote:
On April 07 2013 01:21 Bagi wrote:
[quote]
Why though?

He is the underdog. People love underdogs


I don't think HyuN gets the new expansion very well yet... :/

Yah, a lot of Zergs seem to have that in common...


And then you look at Life and get even more frustrated haha XD

Well Life was already playing mostly aggressive in WOL so he had the least adapting to do. Also Life is simply the best there is :p.


Life is on a completely different level, not sure Hyun comes close when it comes to aggressive and extreme multi-tasking and control with ling/bling/muta. He's the only Z player brave enough to effectively run past mines and almost always take minimal damage.

Hyun is a macro beast though. I don't know if you saw his ZvZs vs Life in IPL fight club but Hyun won mostly because he has superior macro (to almost anyone). The sheer amount of units he always seems to have is unbelievable. Hyun is capable of doing great. Once he adapts and Zerg gets buffed a bit he should be Code S level again.


I don't think it's a matter of getting buffed... Zerg just kinda forgot how to play properly because of that long, grueling period of ZvT in WoL. ^^ (grueling for Terrans haha)

What are you talking about? What is properly to you? Anyway if you honestly think that Zerg has a fair chance in HOTS that is your opinion but it just makes no sense to me.


Give them more time to figure out the new units and new timings (and by new units I don't mean only their own units). You can't expect the match-up to get figured out within a couple of months after release, even with this many talented progamers having at it.

Still it's not as bad as TvZ was in the last months of WoL ^^
"my shaft scares me too" - strenx 2014
Lukeeze[zR]
Profile Joined February 2006
Switzerland6838 Posts
April 06 2013 16:40 GMT
#149
Lucifron is playing with fire with so many low HP medivacs
Terran & Potato Salad.
Badfatpanda
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States9719 Posts
April 06 2013 16:40 GMT
#150
On April 07 2013 01:37 Lukeeze[zR] wrote:
terrans really hate ravens :[


What comment is that? He doesn't nearly have the infrastructure or economy to support ravens at this point in the game. He's nowhere near getting a 4th and is trying to kill Hyun before ultras. That would just delay him and make his bio attacks weaker until he gets enough energy.

I agree that ravens aren't as common then they should be but using this game as an example is horrific to make your point.
Music is a higher revelation than all wisdom and philosophy. -Beethoven | Mech isn't a build, it's a way of life. -MajOr | Charlie.Sheen: "What is sarcastic, kids who have no courage to fight?" | #TerranPride #yolo #swag -Naama after 2-0'ing MC at HSC VI
PhoenixVoid
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Canada32747 Posts
April 06 2013 16:42 GMT
#151
This game is super scrappy with both players down on economy badly.
I'm afraid of demented knife-wielding escaped lunatic libertarian zombie mutants
Emzeeshady
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Canada4203 Posts
April 06 2013 16:42 GMT
#152
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a3den
Profile Joined April 2012
704 Posts
April 06 2013 16:42 GMT
#153
Hyun is so dead
Lukeeze[zR]
Profile Joined February 2006
Switzerland6838 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-06 16:43:56
April 06 2013 16:43 GMT
#154
On April 07 2013 01:40 Badfatpanda wrote:
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On April 07 2013 01:37 Lukeeze[zR] wrote:
terrans really hate ravens :[


What comment is that? He doesn't nearly have the infrastructure or economy to support ravens at this point in the game. He's nowhere near getting a 4th and is trying to kill Hyun before ultras. That would just delay him and make his bio attacks weaker until he gets enough energy.

I agree that ravens aren't as common then they should be but using this game as an example is horrific to make your point.


I'm not talking about mass ravens support for pdd/HSM, but one can save you a ton of scans against burrowed infestors, especially when you can't afford to sacrifice mules for scans.
Terran & Potato Salad.
MasterOfPuppets
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Romania6942 Posts
April 06 2013 16:43 GMT
#155
On April 07 2013 01:42 PhoenixVoid wrote:
This game is super scrappy with both players down on economy badly.


But Luci has had the economic and macro edge on HyuN for a while now... Maybe these infestors might save him, if used phenomenally well. :S
"my shaft scares me too" - strenx 2014
Novacute
Profile Joined September 2011
Australia313 Posts
April 06 2013 16:44 GMT
#156
On April 07 2013 01:43 MasterOfPuppets wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2013 01:42 PhoenixVoid wrote:
This game is super scrappy with both players down on economy badly.


But Luci has had the economic and macro edge on HyuN for a while now... Maybe these infestors might save him, if used phenomenally well. :S


Except Hyun keeps move commanding his infestors into marines or marauders,
Lorning *
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgica34432 Posts
April 06 2013 16:44 GMT
#157
wow sick dodge
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PhoenixVoid
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Canada32747 Posts
April 06 2013 16:45 GMT
#158
This game is insaaaanee.
I'm afraid of demented knife-wielding escaped lunatic libertarian zombie mutants
a3den
Profile Joined April 2012
704 Posts
April 06 2013 16:45 GMT
#159
woooooooow Hyunfestors !
Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
April 06 2013 16:45 GMT
#160
im glad i woke up and watched this one
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