The usual: Don't flame casters or players. Don't discuss balance in this or any LR thread. Don't call your fellow posters idiots. Be excited, happy and entertained.
To those interested, I left out anything but the last players, please remember that this is mostly based on WoL and Kespa pros are a lot more "hidden" from the general population.
Innovation 2%?
This is completely useless. Statistical methods are supposed to help when quantifying stuff is to complicated to do subjectively. If you can't improve the methodology, aligulac is just a waste of time.
Based on what?
I agree that innovation is underrated in this, but we can't just magically up his rating. It will rise as his results improves. He loses to too many randoms in SPL. Plus we are still waiting for points to "transfer" to kespa players, but since they are very isolated (most only play proleague) it takes time. Please untwist your panties and chill, nobody forces anyone to use it.
And no that is not what statistical methods are used for, plus this is "raw" stats, the interpretation is up to you, plus I already stated that currently the system is very shaky (due to the change from WoL to HotS).
Plus this Terran surge is based a lot on HotS, of which we have very few matches.
Don't publish ratings untill you improve this methodology. LIke what is the point of publishing heavily flawed statistics? This just making aligulac looks foolish, which is unfortunate.
On March 17 2013 19:52 Lysanias wrote: Seems like they fully base this of WoL GSL results and perhaps pref MLG's. As you said Last has been doing well for a while now it's just that he's not in the foreign spotlight. (well after this MLG that's going to change rapitly ofc)
We have been looking at ways to smoothly transition our DB to HotS. Yes most of the rankings stems from WoL but until more games are played, there is little we can do. If you have a proposition as to how better correlate the current skill of players with their ratings we are always willing to listen.
On March 17 2013 20:07 Hider wrote: Don't publish ratings untill you improve this methodology. LIke what is the point of publishing heavily flawed statistics? This just making aligulac looks foolish, which is unfortunate.
As I said above, we are willing to listen to anyone with suggestions. The problem has been identified for a long time but the methods we thought about to transition from WoL to HotS were flawed.
Aside from that, there is nothing wrong with our current methodology as every time a game is played, the players are nearing their ideal rating. Just because you don't like the predicted outcome doesn't mean it's stupid or flawed.
To those interested, I left out anything but the last players, please remember that this is mostly based on WoL and Kespa pros are a lot more "hidden" from the general population.
Innovation 2%?
This is completely useless. Statistical methods are supposed to help when quantifying stuff is to complicated to do subjectively. If you can't improve the methodology, aligulac is just a waste of time.
Based on what?
I agree that innovation is underrated in this, but we can't just magically up his rating. It will rise as his results improves. He loses to too many randoms in SPL. Plus we are still waiting for points to "transfer" to kespa players, but since they are very isolated (most only play proleague) it takes time. Please untwist your panties and chill, nobody forces anyone to use it.
And no that is not what statistical methods are used for, plus this is "raw" stats, the interpretation is up to you, plus I already stated that currently the system is very shaky (due to the change from WoL to HotS).
Plus this Terran surge is based a lot on HotS, of which we have very few matches.
Don't publish ratings untill you improve this methodology. LIke what is the point of publishing heavily flawed statistics? This just making aligulac looks foolish, which is unfortunate.
We have discussed this, if we should just "shut down" for 6 months untill we have more data, but then again, HotS is just a big patch to the game. When is it okay to publish ratings then? How much data is enough? How should we account for players we "know" are really good but haven't proven it (lots of Kespa players falls in this category)? What if they actually aren't and peoples bias shines through.
Say what you will about the method, it is really strong in predicting matches, but strength lies in numbers, not in single brackets. But that being said, we are always trying to improve.
On March 17 2013 19:29 skatblast wrote: That stephano interview on slashers page is kind of disappointing. Saying he lost passion for the game. Hopefully he regains it.
Isn't that surprising tbh he was always in it for the money and would leave to get his doctors degree when things got sour for him. His stay in Korea was really hard on him and to add on it Zerg is in a dark hole.
he was never studying for a doctor, he was going for a business degree if I remember it correctly.
Oh never heard about that, everyone have always talked about the doctor thing.
Yeah, it's all I've seen people mention as well, casters as well as people here on the forum. :o Aside from that, not sure how much passion Stephano had to lose to begin with, haha, or at least if you believe what he says it's not a lot.
Well I remember he said it himself in one of the interviews but I can't remember which one. I really think that he should retire when EG releases him, he is probably the top earning player in their team so even if he doesn't well in a tournament he would still earn lots of $$$ compared to study but it's up to him lol
he would earn more money now but he would potentially screw up his future. he's still young enough to go study and have it look somewhat decent on a CV, but if he stays fulltime pro for much longer he's gonna have a hard time finding a job imo, if he even has the motivation to get through his studies. what are you really gonna tell an employer? i spent those years where i should have been studying on playing computer games all day every day? i doubt most employers will give much of a shit that you made a lot of money doing so, and rightfully so.
On March 17 2013 19:29 skatblast wrote: That stephano interview on slashers page is kind of disappointing. Saying he lost passion for the game. Hopefully he regains it.
Isn't that surprising tbh he was always in it for the money and would leave to get his doctors degree when things got sour for him. His stay in Korea was really hard on him and to add on it Zerg is in a dark hole.
he was never studying for a doctor, he was going for a business degree if I remember it correctly.
Oh never heard about that, everyone have always talked about the doctor thing.
Yeah, it's all I've seen people mention as well, casters as well as people here on the forum. :o Aside from that, not sure how much passion Stephano had to lose to begin with, haha, or at least if you believe what he says it's not a lot.
Well I remember he said it himself in one of the interviews but I can't remember which one. I really think that he should retire when EG releases him, he is probably the top earning player in their team so even if he doesn't well in a tournament he would still earn lots of $$$ compared to study but it's up to him lol
he would earn more money now but he would potentially screw up his future. he's still young enough to go study and have it look somewhat decent on a CV, but if he stays fulltime pro for much longer he's gonna have a hard time finding a job imo, if he even has the motivation to get through his studies. what are you really gonna tell an employer? i spent those years where i should have been studying on playing computer games all day every day? i doubt most employers will give much of a shit that you made a lot of money doing so, and rightfully so.
I think you can spin being a pro-gamer much better than that, haha.
On March 17 2013 19:29 skatblast wrote: That stephano interview on slashers page is kind of disappointing. Saying he lost passion for the game. Hopefully he regains it.
Isn't that surprising tbh he was always in it for the money and would leave to get his doctors degree when things got sour for him. His stay in Korea was really hard on him and to add on it Zerg is in a dark hole.
he was never studying for a doctor, he was going for a business degree if I remember it correctly.
Oh never heard about that, everyone have always talked about the doctor thing.
Yeah, it's all I've seen people mention as well, casters as well as people here on the forum. :o Aside from that, not sure how much passion Stephano had to lose to begin with, haha, or at least if you believe what he says it's not a lot.
Well I remember he said it himself in one of the interviews but I can't remember which one. I really think that he should retire when EG releases him, he is probably the top earning player in their team so even if he doesn't well in a tournament he would still earn lots of $$$ compared to study but it's up to him lol
he would earn more money now but he would potentially screw up his future. he's still young enough to go study and have it look somewhat decent on a CV, but if he stays fulltime pro for much longer he's gonna have a hard time finding a job imo, if he even has the motivation to get through his studies. what are you really gonna tell an employer? i spent those years where i should have been studying on playing computer games all day every day? i doubt most employers will give much of a shit that you made a lot of money doing so, and rightfully so.
I think you can spin being a pro-gamer much better than that, haha.
outside of Korea? i don't really think so. i guess you can talk about the experiences you've made in dealing with teams, fans, sponsors, etc and travelling around the world, which depending on the job you're trying to pursue could be helpful. but they'll still have that mental picture of the lazy, anti social nerd that sits in front of the computer all day.
On March 17 2013 19:29 skatblast wrote: That stephano interview on slashers page is kind of disappointing. Saying he lost passion for the game. Hopefully he regains it.
Isn't that surprising tbh he was always in it for the money and would leave to get his doctors degree when things got sour for him. His stay in Korea was really hard on him and to add on it Zerg is in a dark hole.
he was never studying for a doctor, he was going for a business degree if I remember it correctly.
Oh never heard about that, everyone have always talked about the doctor thing.
Yeah, it's all I've seen people mention as well, casters as well as people here on the forum. :o Aside from that, not sure how much passion Stephano had to lose to begin with, haha, or at least if you believe what he says it's not a lot.
Well I remember he said it himself in one of the interviews but I can't remember which one. I really think that he should retire when EG releases him, he is probably the top earning player in their team so even if he doesn't well in a tournament he would still earn lots of $$$ compared to study but it's up to him lol
he would earn more money now but he would potentially screw up his future. he's still young enough to go study and have it look somewhat decent on a CV, but if he stays fulltime pro for much longer he's gonna have a hard time finding a job imo, if he even has the motivation to get through his studies. what are you really gonna tell an employer? i spent those years where i should have been studying on playing computer games all day every day? i doubt most employers will give much of a shit that you made a lot of money doing so, and rightfully so.
beg to differ sir. At least in germany those 2-3 years Stephano invested wouldn't be so hard on you in terms of C.V. if you would study after those years. And to say that an emoployeer wouldn't care for someone who (when most youngsters ONLY party and drink) would travel to foreign countrys, earn cash by playing an econimc based strategy game, and get wasted afterwards. There is so much potential for a business to have someone with such expierence AND a degree in some sort of form.
Business tend to introduce more and more so called "Planning Games" to their employees. Those are nothing more than a simulation of certain econimc problems/process/etc. Guess what RTS are
On March 17 2013 19:29 skatblast wrote: That stephano interview on slashers page is kind of disappointing. Saying he lost passion for the game. Hopefully he regains it.
Isn't that surprising tbh he was always in it for the money and would leave to get his doctors degree when things got sour for him. His stay in Korea was really hard on him and to add on it Zerg is in a dark hole.
he was never studying for a doctor, he was going for a business degree if I remember it correctly.
Oh never heard about that, everyone have always talked about the doctor thing.
Yeah, it's all I've seen people mention as well, casters as well as people here on the forum. :o Aside from that, not sure how much passion Stephano had to lose to begin with, haha, or at least if you believe what he says it's not a lot.
Well I remember he said it himself in one of the interviews but I can't remember which one. I really think that he should retire when EG releases him, he is probably the top earning player in their team so even if he doesn't well in a tournament he would still earn lots of $$$ compared to study but it's up to him lol
he would earn more money now but he would potentially screw up his future. he's still young enough to go study and have it look somewhat decent on a CV, but if he stays fulltime pro for much longer he's gonna have a hard time finding a job imo, if he even has the motivation to get through his studies. what are you really gonna tell an employer? i spent those years where i should have been studying on playing computer games all day every day? i doubt most employers will give much of a shit that you made a lot of money doing so, and rightfully so.
I think you can spin being a pro-gamer much better than that, haha.
outside of Korea? i don't really think so. i guess you can talk about the experiences you've made in dealing with teams, fans, sponsors, etc and travelling around the world, which depending on the job you're trying to pursue could be helpful. but they'll still have that mental picture of the lazy, anti social nerd that sits in front of the computer all day.
Umm ... to earn 100k$ a year as a 19 yrs old is comparable to being pretty successful at some sort of business-idea at that age... to reinvest that into appartments makes you even smarter. Besides that if you can't promote what you did good, then you will have hard times to get a job never-the-less what you did
On March 17 2013 19:29 skatblast wrote: That stephano interview on slashers page is kind of disappointing. Saying he lost passion for the game. Hopefully he regains it.
Isn't that surprising tbh he was always in it for the money and would leave to get his doctors degree when things got sour for him. His stay in Korea was really hard on him and to add on it Zerg is in a dark hole.
he was never studying for a doctor, he was going for a business degree if I remember it correctly.
Oh never heard about that, everyone have always talked about the doctor thing.
Yeah, it's all I've seen people mention as well, casters as well as people here on the forum. :o Aside from that, not sure how much passion Stephano had to lose to begin with, haha, or at least if you believe what he says it's not a lot.
Well I remember he said it himself in one of the interviews but I can't remember which one. I really think that he should retire when EG releases him, he is probably the top earning player in their team so even if he doesn't well in a tournament he would still earn lots of $$$ compared to study but it's up to him lol
he would earn more money now but he would potentially screw up his future. he's still young enough to go study and have it look somewhat decent on a CV, but if he stays fulltime pro for much longer he's gonna have a hard time finding a job imo, if he even has the motivation to get through his studies. what are you really gonna tell an employer? i spent those years where i should have been studying on playing computer games all day every day? i doubt most employers will give much of a shit that you made a lot of money doing so, and rightfully so.
I think you can spin being a pro-gamer much better than that, haha.
outside of Korea? i don't really think so. i guess you can talk about the experiences you've made in dealing with teams, fans, sponsors, etc and travelling around the world, which depending on the job you're trying to pursue could be helpful. but they'll still have that mental picture of the lazy, anti social nerd that sits in front of the computer all day.
I don't know if it's different in other countries but here in Sweden at least the employers don't really give a fuck about what you have done in your free time. If they are interested about the subject it actually helps out. And yes I've had personal experience with this, that TBC WoW raiding sure helped out
The ultimate weapon grows and grows, his dominance cant be avoided, the kid will duke it out with eSF`s own ultimate weapon Life though, resembling the good ole days of Flash vs JD
To those interested, I left out anything but the last players, please remember that this is mostly based on WoL and Kespa pros are a lot more "hidden" from the general population.
Innovation 2%?
This is completely useless. Statistical methods are supposed to help when quantifying stuff is to complicated to do subjectively. If you can't improve the methodology, aligulac is just a waste of time.
Based on what?
I agree that innovation is underrated in this, but we can't just magically up his rating. It will rise as his results improves. He loses to too many randoms in SPL. Plus we are still waiting for points to "transfer" to kespa players, but since they are very isolated (most only play proleague) it takes time. Please untwist your panties and chill, nobody forces anyone to use it.
And no that is not what statistical methods are used for, plus this is "raw" stats, the interpretation is up to you, plus I already stated that currently the system is very shaky (due to the change from WoL to HotS).
Plus this Terran surge is based a lot on HotS, of which we have very few matches.
Don't publish ratings untill you improve this methodology. LIke what is the point of publishing heavily flawed statistics? This just making aligulac looks foolish, which is unfortunate.
We have discussed this, if we should just "shut down" for 6 months untill we have more data, but then again, HotS is just a big patch to the game. When is it okay to publish ratings then? How much data is enough? How should we account for players we "know" are really good but haven't proven it (lots of Kespa players falls in this category)? What if they actually aren't and peoples bias shines through.
Say what you will about the method, it is really strong in predicting matches, but strength lies in numbers, not in single brackets. But that being said, we are always trying to improve.
Your percentage calculation is really messed up. Last doesn't have a 89% chance to lose the next Bo5. Even if he is a huge underdog.
Also, I don't really care who wins and who loses. I just would prefer for both the semis and the finals to be non-mirrors.
To those interested, I left out anything but the last players, please remember that this is mostly based on WoL and Kespa pros are a lot more "hidden" from the general population.
Innovation 2%?
This is completely useless. Statistical methods are supposed to help when quantifying stuff is to complicated to do subjectively. If you can't improve the methodology, aligulac is just a waste of time.
Based on what?
I agree that innovation is underrated in this, but we can't just magically up his rating. It will rise as his results improves. He loses to too many randoms in SPL. Plus we are still waiting for points to "transfer" to kespa players, but since they are very isolated (most only play proleague) it takes time. Please untwist your panties and chill, nobody forces anyone to use it.
And no that is not what statistical methods are used for, plus this is "raw" stats, the interpretation is up to you, plus I already stated that currently the system is very shaky (due to the change from WoL to HotS).
Plus this Terran surge is based a lot on HotS, of which we have very few matches.
Don't publish ratings untill you improve this methodology. LIke what is the point of publishing heavily flawed statistics? This just making aligulac looks foolish, which is unfortunate.
We have discussed this, if we should just "shut down" for 6 months untill we have more data, but then again, HotS is just a big patch to the game. When is it okay to publish ratings then? How much data is enough? How should we account for players we "know" are really good but haven't proven it (lots of Kespa players falls in this category)? What if they actually aren't and peoples bias shines through.
Say what you will about the method, it is really strong in predicting matches, but strength lies in numbers, not in single brackets. But that being said, we are always trying to improve.
Your percentage calculation is really messed up. Last doesn't have a 89% chance to lose the next Bo5. Even if he is a huge underdog.
Also, I don't really care who wins and who loses. I just would prefer for both the semis and the finals to be non-mirrors.
Please remember this is based mostly on WoL results still. Would you favor last over life in WoL ?
To those interested, I left out anything but the last players, please remember that this is mostly based on WoL and Kespa pros are a lot more "hidden" from the general population.
Innovation 2%?
This is completely useless. Statistical methods are supposed to help when quantifying stuff is to complicated to do subjectively. If you can't improve the methodology, aligulac is just a waste of time.
Based on what?
I agree that innovation is underrated in this, but we can't just magically up his rating. It will rise as his results improves. He loses to too many randoms in SPL. Plus we are still waiting for points to "transfer" to kespa players, but since they are very isolated (most only play proleague) it takes time. Please untwist your panties and chill, nobody forces anyone to use it.
And no that is not what statistical methods are used for, plus this is "raw" stats, the interpretation is up to you, plus I already stated that currently the system is very shaky (due to the change from WoL to HotS).
Plus this Terran surge is based a lot on HotS, of which we have very few matches.
Don't publish ratings untill you improve this methodology. LIke what is the point of publishing heavily flawed statistics? This just making aligulac looks foolish, which is unfortunate.
We have discussed this, if we should just "shut down" for 6 months untill we have more data, but then again, HotS is just a big patch to the game. When is it okay to publish ratings then? How much data is enough? How should we account for players we "know" are really good but haven't proven it (lots of Kespa players falls in this category)? What if they actually aren't and peoples bias shines through.
Say what you will about the method, it is really strong in predicting matches, but strength lies in numbers, not in single brackets. But that being said, we are always trying to improve.
Your percentage calculation is really messed up. Last doesn't have a 89% chance to lose the next Bo5. Even if he is a huge underdog.
Also, I don't really care who wins and who loses. I just would prefer for both the semis and the finals to be non-mirrors.
Please remember this is based mostly on WoL results still. Would you favor last over life in WoL ?
I have to give it to MLG. Really good job with the VODs. Really easy to access, and you also avoid downtimes. It's great from an european standpoint since i missed half the matches. Thank you for making this happen !
On March 17 2013 20:59 kafkaesque wrote: So EG sent 4 players whose combined efforts were enough to net them one map win?
Call me Debbie Downer or Negative Nancy, but foreign SC2 seems rather dire...
The best player won every single match in Ro32. (More or less) Seems like a succes to me. Foreigners are worse than koreans, as they should be all things considered. Edit: 2K post... What a waste
To those interested, I left out anything but the last players, please remember that this is mostly based on WoL and Kespa pros are a lot more "hidden" from the general population.
Innovation 2%?
This is completely useless. Statistical methods are supposed to help when quantifying stuff is to complicated to do subjectively. If you can't improve the methodology, aligulac is just a waste of time.
Based on what?
I agree that innovation is underrated in this, but we can't just magically up his rating. It will rise as his results improves. He loses to too many randoms in SPL. Plus we are still waiting for points to "transfer" to kespa players, but since they are very isolated (most only play proleague) it takes time. Please untwist your panties and chill, nobody forces anyone to use it.
And no that is not what statistical methods are used for, plus this is "raw" stats, the interpretation is up to you, plus I already stated that currently the system is very shaky (due to the change from WoL to HotS).
Plus this Terran surge is based a lot on HotS, of which we have very few matches.
Don't publish ratings untill you improve this methodology. LIke what is the point of publishing heavily flawed statistics? This just making aligulac looks foolish, which is unfortunate.
useless? this rating is a better predictor of results than any human on TL (liquibets)
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