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DJHelium
Profile Joined December 2010
Sweden13480 Posts
March 07 2013 10:40 GMT
#841
No team for Grubby? Did he leave Team Grubby?
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Lukeeze[zR]
Profile Joined February 2006
Switzerland6838 Posts
March 07 2013 10:40 GMT
#842
Stephano vs Grubby: 23 wins - 1 losses (95.83%)
Terran & Potato Salad.
pepe08
Profile Joined February 2011
Germany566 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-07 10:40:45
March 07 2013 10:40 GMT
#843
On March 07 2013 19:38 AlternativeEgo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 07 2013 19:37 dinosrwar wrote:
On March 07 2013 19:36 AlternativeEgo wrote:
Does anyone know why Targa is there? Representing a personal sponsor, perhaps?


He is the spokesman for a candy company and is handing out free samples to all of his favorite players.


Really? Naaaaaaaaaaahh :p


Show nested quote +
On March 07 2013 19:38 Musicus wrote:
On March 07 2013 19:36 AlternativeEgo wrote:
Does anyone know why Targa is there? Representing a personal sponsor, perhaps?


He is there as a caster with TakeTV and usually at the Acer booth . He is staying at Take's palyce for quite some time now.



Alright. Thanks


He is at Cebit with TakeTv i guess.
He was doing casting with them yesterday.
I think IEM asked him, if he likes to do the job,
because they don't have a zerg at the table
/edit gnnnnnnnnaaahhhh
im slow
Giriath
Profile Joined May 2011
Sweden2412 Posts
March 07 2013 10:40 GMT
#844
On March 07 2013 19:37 Nomzter wrote:
Stephano 2-0


Probably.
Education should be our seniors guiding us to be "who" we want to be, not "what" we want to be.
Sabu113
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States11048 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-07 10:40:52
March 07 2013 10:40 GMT
#845
I can't wait til Stephano figures out a ZvP swarmhost build. They're so strong once there's momentum and Stephano's the guy to figure out how to generate that momentum. What will it be from grubby? How easy is it to get that skytoss doomball with uber voids?
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Thrillz
Profile Joined May 2012
4313 Posts
March 07 2013 10:40 GMT
#846
On March 07 2013 19:37 Assirra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 07 2013 19:35 Thrillz wrote:
4 races: Protoss, Zerg, Terran, and Korean Terran.

Back to good old 2010/2011.
I just hope its a tiny bit more balanced then that.


End of 2011 to Early 2012 was probably the best state of the game.
LimitSEA
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia9580 Posts
March 07 2013 10:40 GMT
#847
YESSS! The King of Wings! How'd he play vs Grubby? Saw a bunch of comments about him making speedvacs look imba.
Long live the King of Wings
n0ise
Profile Joined April 2010
3452 Posts
March 07 2013 10:40 GMT
#848
On March 07 2013 19:36 dainbramage wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 07 2013 19:34 vthree wrote:
On March 07 2013 19:33 dainbramage wrote:
On March 07 2013 19:30 vthree wrote:
On March 07 2013 19:26 Musicus wrote:
On March 07 2013 19:18 Bagi wrote:
On March 07 2013 19:16 Musicus wrote:
On March 07 2013 19:13 Solarist wrote:
On March 07 2013 19:10 Musicus wrote:
On March 07 2013 19:07 dcemuser wrote:
[quote]

Because it requires absolutely stupid amounts of micro to use the way MVP did.

I seriously doubt the imbalance extends beyond the top tier pros.


Well but that's what it is about, the game has to be balanced around Flash, Rain and Roro.

Now Flash with these medivacs is not balanced.


And you know that how? Are you some kind of oracle who just KNOWS that people wont be able to defend these drops once they learn to deal with it? Btw im considering playing the lottery, can you inbox me the winning numbers please?


Well everyone basically agreed on this after the last rain vs flash games in code A. Sorry I never win a thing and don't play the lottery^^.

"Everyone basically agreed", well that's enough to convince me. The amazingly insightful hivemind called something imba, they must be correct.


Okay let me elaborate. Blizzards argument for the new ability is that drops are figured out and are no longer viable. But they want to see drops so they buffed medivacs. Now Flash showcased that terrans can still dismantle their opponents completely with normal medivac drops if timed correctly and executed by one of the best. So if Rain had no chance defending it without speedboost imagine it in hots. That's what "everyone agreed on" but let's just wait and see and enjoy the games as they are right now. Looking forward to players adapting their drop defense as the tournament goes on.


This would make sense if it was a HoTS terran was play a WoL Protoss. Protoss also got some defensive units/spells to work with.


We get two units that can't attack air, one that comes extremely late in the game, and a spell that adds a 13 range photon cannon. That's really not much extra drop defence.


You got recall...

So you either...
recall against a small drop --> pick up and leave in the 5 second recall stun
recall against a doom drop --> lose army in the 5 seconds recall stun


a) you can't deny the 1-minute "13 range photon cannon" is really powerful (which G didn't even use)

b) a korean protoss would've warped the stalker in the main 10 seconds earlier, defended the drop, and everyone would've went 'omg so gosu omg omg' (talking about the entombed game)

dno how the fuck is there so much discussion about something that was clearly a messup (including g2 here)
Qikz
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United Kingdom12022 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-07 10:41:20
March 07 2013 10:40 GMT
#849
On March 07 2013 19:37 Assirra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 07 2013 19:35 Thrillz wrote:
4 races: Protoss, Zerg, Terran, and Korean Terran.

Back to good old 2010/2011.
I just hope its a tiny bit more balanced then that.


It's always been that, apart from as WoL progressed it went:

Korean Terran > Protoss > Zerg >>>>>>>> Foreign Terran

to

Zerg >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Protoss > Korean Terran >>>>>>>>> Foreign Terran.
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Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France12886 Posts
March 07 2013 10:41 GMT
#850
Far away are the days when Grubby was the favorite against Stephano, back in wc3 :D. It's a new game and he isn't 15 years old anymore.
WriterMaru
Integra
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Sweden5626 Posts
March 07 2013 10:41 GMT
#851
On March 07 2013 19:40 Sabu113 wrote:
I can't wait til Stephano figures out a ZvP swarmhost build. They're so strong once there's momentum and Stephano's the guy to figure out how to generate that momentum. What will it be from grubby?

Blade55555 already done this in fact the great swarmhost king is watching IEM, and this thread, right now.
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nomyx
Profile Joined June 2012
United States2205 Posts
March 07 2013 10:41 GMT
#852
    (1851) Stephano  0-0  Grubby (1313)      
---------------------------------------------
51.93% 2-0 0-2 7.81%
29.02% 2-1 1-2 11.25%
---------------------------------------------
80.94% 19.06%

Median outcome: Stephano 2-0 Grubby
Estimated by Aligulac. Twitter.
Assirra
Profile Joined August 2010
Belgium4169 Posts
March 07 2013 10:41 GMT
#853
On March 07 2013 19:40 Thrillz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 07 2013 19:37 Assirra wrote:
On March 07 2013 19:35 Thrillz wrote:
4 races: Protoss, Zerg, Terran, and Korean Terran.

Back to good old 2010/2011.
I just hope its a tiny bit more balanced then that.


End of 2011 to Early 2012 was probably the best state of the game.

Depends what you call end.
GSL october had 20 terrans in code S, not really what i considered balanced
dcemuser
Profile Joined August 2010
United States3248 Posts
March 07 2013 10:41 GMT
#854
On March 07 2013 19:40 LimitSEA wrote:
YESSS! The King of Wings! How'd he play vs Grubby? Saw a bunch of comments about him making speedvacs look imba.


He had extremely slick timings, scouting, and micro (read: drops) and made Grubby look really bad despite Grubby not actually playing that bad.
AxionSteel
Profile Joined January 2011
United States7754 Posts
March 07 2013 10:41 GMT
#855
On March 07 2013 19:40 LimitSEA wrote:
YESSS! The King of Wings! How'd he play vs Grubby? Saw a bunch of comments about him making speedvacs look imba.

He just might get Terran nerfed yet again.

Hylirion
Profile Joined March 2012
Netherlands968 Posts
March 07 2013 10:41 GMT
#856
On March 07 2013 19:40 LimitSEA wrote:
YESSS! The King of Wings! How'd he play vs Grubby? Saw a bunch of comments about him making speedvacs look imba.


First game triple pronged attack, grubby scouted 1 medivac but it still got through due to speed. Second game Grubby went DT and Mvp built a turret, went downhill from there.
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51489 Posts
March 07 2013 10:41 GMT
#857
Lols @ Ohana being in the map pool 0.O
Why not use the GSL Ohana version? ;_; (that new map i forget XD)
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Fragile51
Profile Joined October 2011
Netherlands15767 Posts
March 07 2013 10:41 GMT
#858
On March 07 2013 19:37 vthree wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 07 2013 19:34 Mouzone wrote:
On March 07 2013 19:33 Fragile51 wrote:
On March 07 2013 19:30 vthree wrote:
On March 07 2013 19:26 Musicus wrote:
On March 07 2013 19:18 Bagi wrote:
On March 07 2013 19:16 Musicus wrote:
On March 07 2013 19:13 Solarist wrote:
On March 07 2013 19:10 Musicus wrote:
On March 07 2013 19:07 dcemuser wrote:
[quote]

Because it requires absolutely stupid amounts of micro to use the way MVP did.

I seriously doubt the imbalance extends beyond the top tier pros.


Well but that's what it is about, the game has to be balanced around Flash, Rain and Roro.

Now Flash with these medivacs is not balanced.


And you know that how? Are you some kind of oracle who just KNOWS that people wont be able to defend these drops once they learn to deal with it? Btw im considering playing the lottery, can you inbox me the winning numbers please?


Well everyone basically agreed on this after the last rain vs flash games in code A. Sorry I never win a thing and don't play the lottery^^.

"Everyone basically agreed", well that's enough to convince me. The amazingly insightful hivemind called something imba, they must be correct.


Okay let me elaborate. Blizzards argument for the new ability is that drops are figured out and are no longer viable. But they want to see drops so they buffed medivacs. Now Flash showcased that terrans can still dismantle their opponents completely with normal medivac drops if timed correctly and executed by one of the best. So if Rain had no chance defending it without speedboost imagine it in hots. That's what "everyone agreed on" but let's just wait and see and enjoy the games as they are right now. Looking forward to players adapting their drop defense as the tournament goes on.


This would make sense if it was a HoTS terran was play a WoL Protoss. Protoss also got some defensive units/spells to work with.


I know right, protoss has the ability to transform any nexus they want into a planetary fortress that shoots air and has more range than a siege tank, which they can instantly recall a large chunk of their army on to if they have the energy for it (which they should). Sure drops got stronger, but don't act like drop defense didn't get stronger too..


The difference, though, is that medivac speed requires no investment from the player while spending energy is a sacrifice.


And blink made no sacrifice while stim took HP off. Should blink have costed HP as well?


Shit, burrow even makes your roaches able to heal hp quicker, clearly this must be fixed asap.
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
March 07 2013 10:42 GMT
#859
Ew it's Ohana.
nomyx
Profile Joined June 2012
United States2205 Posts
March 07 2013 10:42 GMT
#860
On March 07 2013 19:41 Pandemona wrote:
Lols @ Ohana being in the map pool 0.O
Why not use the GSL Ohana version? ;_; (that new map i forget XD)


Metropolis, Ohana, Antiga...

A lot of complaints were made about the map pool when they announced it.
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