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Steinchen
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria39 Posts
March 07 2013 09:46 GMT
#441
On March 07 2013 18:44 Schelim wrote:
open mouth duel ftw


+1

:D i cant imagine mvp with his mouth closed
:)
MuseMike
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1339 Posts
March 07 2013 09:46 GMT
#442
On March 07 2013 18:45 Exarl25 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 07 2013 18:43 dani` wrote:
Medivac speed seriously. Have 4 Stalkers in place? No problem I'll just speed by and continue to drop T_T


Grubby should have anticipated that and had defense in the main. It was so low that a couple more Stalker shots or a Photon Overcharge would have cleaned it up no problem.

Yes a drop should cost 6 stalkers to stop in different layers of your base? Lol, talk about a good risk v reward for Terran.
BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
March 07 2013 09:46 GMT
#443
wow picked him apart lol
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
Big J
Profile Joined March 2011
Austria16289 Posts
March 07 2013 09:47 GMT
#444
On March 07 2013 18:45 Corrosive wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 07 2013 18:44 Big J wrote:
ok, medivacspeed is imba. Boosting over 4stalkers... how much more resources should a Protoss dedicate blindly?

how was it blind

he saw the medivac



generally speaking. In a gameplan.
Talack
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada2742 Posts
March 07 2013 09:47 GMT
#445
On March 07 2013 18:45 monkybone wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 07 2013 18:44 Big J wrote:
ok, medivacspeed is imba. Boosting over 4stalkers... how much more resources should a Protoss dedicate blindly?


A MS Core.



cannons, units in place, mothership core, warp ins and the nexus cannon

I think medivac speed is fine, give it awhile and im sure we'll go back to drops being almost completely ineffective like WoL towards the end
Insoleet
Profile Joined May 2012
France1806 Posts
March 07 2013 09:47 GMT
#446
What about opening stargate to deny drops ?

Just asking
MuseMike
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1339 Posts
March 07 2013 09:48 GMT
#447
On March 07 2013 18:47 Insoleet wrote:
What about opening stargate to deny drops ?

Just asking

You will get shit on in a straight up engagement.
Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23576 Posts
March 07 2013 09:48 GMT
#448
On March 07 2013 18:45 Ketch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 07 2013 18:45 Musicus wrote:
MVP is playing great but medivac boost is too strong. Grubby saw the drop, put 4 stalkers there and the thing not only doesn't die but gets into the main...


And then he forgets the photon overcharge


Yeah, Grubby made a lot of mistakes and MVP would've won either way and is the better player. But still medivac boost, I don't like it. It's just too strong imo.
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
Insoleet
Profile Joined May 2012
France1806 Posts
March 07 2013 09:49 GMT
#449
On March 07 2013 18:48 MuseMike wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 07 2013 18:47 Insoleet wrote:
What about opening stargate to deny drops ?

Just asking

You will get shit on in a straight up engagement.


Blizzard wanted to have a viable stargate opening in PvT right ?

I'm sad if its still not possible
Geos13
Profile Joined May 2011
437 Posts
March 07 2013 09:49 GMT
#450
While I don't think Grubby lost because of balance reasons, I don't understand how HotS PvT and WoL PvT can both be considered balanced. It's pretty much the same except with massively buffed medivacs... Having one high health photon cannon isn't going to deter a drop.
n0ise
Profile Joined April 2010
3452 Posts
March 07 2013 09:49 GMT
#451
grubby could've completely shut that down by being prepared correctly

dno what forumpeople are talking about
Alexj
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Ukraine440 Posts
March 07 2013 09:49 GMT
#452
People bashing Grubby for not using MSC overcharge forget how slow MSC is. It can't cover more than one base at a time
More GGs, more skill
Bagi
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany6799 Posts
March 07 2013 09:50 GMT
#453
Love how the balance whine force is in full effect after a game where Grubby did an obvious mistake, not using the MSC.

How is terran supposed to harass without the boost since protoss players have planetary nexuses now?
Exarl25
Profile Joined November 2010
1887 Posts
March 07 2013 09:50 GMT
#454
On March 07 2013 18:48 MuseMike wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 07 2013 18:47 Insoleet wrote:
What about opening stargate to deny drops ?

Just asking

You will get shit on in a straight up engagement.


Phoenix also just tickle Medivacs and are not very good at shutting down drops, especially with the new boost, until you have a decent number of them. You can't invest so much into a tech path that contributes so little to your main army.
Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24417 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-07 09:50:32
March 07 2013 09:50 GMT
#455
On March 07 2013 18:47 Insoleet wrote:
What about opening stargate to deny drops ?

Just asking


Only way that's been hinted at working in HotS is phoenix/colossus. But it's not really an opening, more of an overall style. Opening stargate is bad vs terran. Has always been, will always be. Marines are too good vs protoss air.
Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
mrRoflpwn
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States2618 Posts
March 07 2013 09:50 GMT
#456
Harstem was trying to talk about how Grubby had an opening made for a colossus all-in then QXC cuts him off and talks about MVP's multi prong harass =[ The game was already over from the early game because of Grubby's opening as Harstem tried to point out...
Long live the Boss Toss!
dcemuser
Profile Joined August 2010
United States3248 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-07 09:50:55
March 07 2013 09:50 GMT
#457
On March 07 2013 18:46 MuseMike wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 07 2013 18:45 Exarl25 wrote:
On March 07 2013 18:43 dani` wrote:
Medivac speed seriously. Have 4 Stalkers in place? No problem I'll just speed by and continue to drop T_T


Grubby should have anticipated that and had defense in the main. It was so low that a couple more Stalker shots or a Photon Overcharge would have cleaned it up no problem.

Yes a drop should cost 6 stalkers to stop in different layers of your base? Lol, talk about a good risk v reward for Terran.

4 Blink Stalkers
5 Regular Stalkers
4 Regular Stalkers if spread out and you have better vision

It's not that absurd considering the contents of the medievac + the medievac was about the same.
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
March 07 2013 09:50 GMT
#458
On March 07 2013 18:49 Alexj wrote:
People bashing Grubby for not using MSC overcharge forget how slow MSC is. It can't cover more than one base at a time


you can actually cast it on a nexus from pretty far away, if he had it in a good spot between all his bases it would only take 4 or 5 seconds to nexus cannon on any of them.
AxionSteel
Profile Joined January 2011
United States7754 Posts
March 07 2013 09:50 GMT
#459
On March 07 2013 18:49 Geos13 wrote:
While I don't think Grubby lost because of balance reasons, I don't understand how HotS PvT and WoL PvT can both be considered balanced. It's pretty much the same except with massively buffed medivacs... Having one high health photon cannon isn't going to deter a drop.

Would've easily stopped the drop that has generated so much whining in this thread.

Big J
Profile Joined March 2011
Austria16289 Posts
March 07 2013 09:50 GMT
#460
On March 07 2013 18:47 Talack wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 07 2013 18:45 monkybone wrote:
On March 07 2013 18:44 Big J wrote:
ok, medivacspeed is imba. Boosting over 4stalkers... how much more resources should a Protoss dedicate blindly?


A MS Core.



cannons, units in place, mothership core, warp ins and the nexus cannon

I think medivac speed is fine, give it awhile and im sure we'll go back to drops being almost completely ineffective like WoL towards the end


:O
This... just... Standard TvP... Whirlwind TvZ lategame... Any creep clean up moveout... bio TvT... Tankdrops... Doomdrops TvT...
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