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On March 05 2013 02:28 kafkaesque wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2013 23:30 Joedaddy wrote:
I knew Minigun was going to win this series easily the second I saw it posted on the schedule. I couldn't be happier about the result.
Watching Idra tell people they are terrible was funny when I still thought he was legitimately top tier foreign talent, but he lost me when I watched him bm Grubby (Grubby of all people, srsly) by telling him he is horrible, awful, etc after going 0-5 vs him on the ladder. In my mind, Idra's bm has gone from making him look like a gritty talent who doesn't give a **** to just a very frustrated and sad individual realizing he's not as good as he thought he was.
Anywho~ after weeks of watching Minigun stomp Idra on the ladder and Idra bm'ing him for it, this result is so sweet. Sadly, IdrA makes more money by being tragic than most players on the merit of their ability. He loses a show match, talks badly about his opponent and the internet pays attention. A curious business strategy, but evidently it works. You might be laughing about him not being able to compete with Koreans or the top 100 foreigners, but he is laughing, too. All the way to the bank.
Honestly if I was in his situation, I wouldn't care about losing anymore.
Like you said, he can basically lose, talk shit, and still have a TON of fans and support, all while enjoying himself. To me, that sounds like a win-win situation.
No one expects him to actually win major events anymore, so if he miraculously DOES win, awesome, but if he doesn't? Just another day in the life. #yolo #swag #getmoney
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On March 05 2013 02:28 kafkaesque wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2013 23:30 Joedaddy wrote:
I knew Minigun was going to win this series easily the second I saw it posted on the schedule. I couldn't be happier about the result.
Watching Idra tell people they are terrible was funny when I still thought he was legitimately top tier foreign talent, but he lost me when I watched him bm Grubby (Grubby of all people, srsly) by telling him he is horrible, awful, etc after going 0-5 vs him on the ladder. In my mind, Idra's bm has gone from making him look like a gritty talent who doesn't give a **** to just a very frustrated and sad individual realizing he's not as good as he thought he was.
Anywho~ after weeks of watching Minigun stomp Idra on the ladder and Idra bm'ing him for it, this result is so sweet. Sadly, IdrA makes more money by being tragic than most players on the merit of their ability. He loses a show match, talks badly about his opponent and the internet pays attention. A curious business strategy, but evidently it works. You might be laughing about him not being able to compete with Koreans or the top 100 foreigners, but he is laughing, too. All the way to the bank.
Yep, Idra is basically a slightly more successful, better paid version of Destiny. Famous within the community for hype and BM moreso than actual skill level.
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On March 05 2013 02:28 kafkaesque wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2013 23:30 Joedaddy wrote:
I knew Minigun was going to win this series easily the second I saw it posted on the schedule. I couldn't be happier about the result.
Watching Idra tell people they are terrible was funny when I still thought he was legitimately top tier foreign talent, but he lost me when I watched him bm Grubby (Grubby of all people, srsly) by telling him he is horrible, awful, etc after going 0-5 vs him on the ladder. In my mind, Idra's bm has gone from making him look like a gritty talent who doesn't give a **** to just a very frustrated and sad individual realizing he's not as good as he thought he was.
Anywho~ after weeks of watching Minigun stomp Idra on the ladder and Idra bm'ing him for it, this result is so sweet. Sadly, IdrA makes more money by being tragic than most players on the merit of their ability. He loses a show match, talks badly about his opponent and the internet pays attention. A curious business strategy, but evidently it works. You might be laughing about him not being able to compete with Koreans or the top 100 foreigners, but he is laughing, too. All the way to the bank.
This is the first win that Minigun has gotten in the since very early 2011 against anyone who mattered. He left complexity with a with no major titles or finishers. His only special talent is beating Idra for some reason. He has a special ability to get inside Idra's head, but can't seem to do that with other players.
Now if we look at Idra's record, he took 3 place in the 2012 North American Battle.net Championship and in 2011 had ten finishes in the top 5 at major events in 2011. Five first places at events, Including IEM. It should also be pointed out that Minigun competed in a number of these events and never made it very far in the bracket, normally getting knocked out in the first few rounds.
So, Minigun has Idra's number and can beat him often. However, he hasn't be able to do much else beyond that and his only real success came within the first 8 months of the WoL launch. While Idra had a very good year in 2011 and an off year in 2012.
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I don't get how minigun is so good. The breakfast of champions is w/ever CJ is eating. No RTS background and still way better than any former BW toss player (pretend Mana isn't playing)? It's been a while since you had to wonder where exactly a non Korean's ceiling is at. Guy is already in everyone's attic. He's too underrated. If someone knows why he can't be as good as any Korean toss player, let me know. I'm curious. All hail Chad bleeping Jones.
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IdrA didn't play bad. But I don't understand why he always decides to go Ultras. When he on and on keeps complaining they are bad units etc.
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Idra still chases drops with his complete army... normally you just see noobs do that and considering his broodwar background it really is rather surprising...
Oh well, deserved winner, gratz minigun.
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How are pros dealing with MMM + hellbats + 2-3 tanks nowadays ?  baneling flanks or what ?
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On March 05 2013 02:50 playa wrote:
I don't get how minigun is so good. The breakfast of champions is w/ever CJ is eating. No RTS background and still way better than any former BW toss player (pretend Mana isn't playing)? It's been a while since you had to wonder where exactly a non Korean's ceiling is at. Guy is already in everyone's attic. He's too underrated. If someone knows why he can't be as good as any Korean toss player, let me know. I'm curious. All hail Chad bleeping Jones.
MaNa played a bit of bw for ESC and Mouz. Also Socke, Fraer, White-Ra did and all of them are (or maybe were, in Ra´s case, idk much about his current shape) ahead of Minigun.
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On March 05 2013 02:55 Technique wrote:
Idra still chases drops with his complete army... normally you just see noobs do that and considering his broodwar background it really is rather surprising...
Oh well, deserved winner, gratz minigun.
nah man, it's more that a warp prism with 4 zealots can drop those zealots and then warp in off of however many gates. and it doesn't have to be "right over those 4 hydralisks you left behind to snipe the warp prism cause you're super pro awesome". Without having a ton of spines there, there was no way he was going to defend that. better argument would be to say ditch the base, given that composition, and focus on holding the front or something. not that i agree with either.
also, ultras seemed fine. it's just that voidrays kind of shit on everything in HOtS right now, and he retained like 6-7 of them i believe. i can certainly understand the frustration given how well idra engaged in the earlier fights. also that 3rd was unreal quick by minigun.
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On March 05 2013 03:14 Xoronius wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2013 02:50 playa wrote:
I don't get how minigun is so good. The breakfast of champions is w/ever CJ is eating. No RTS background and still way better than any former BW toss player (pretend Mana isn't playing)? It's been a while since you had to wonder where exactly a non Korean's ceiling is at. Guy is already in everyone's attic. He's too underrated. If someone knows why he can't be as good as any Korean toss player, let me know. I'm curious. All hail Chad bleeping Jones. MaNa played a bit of bw for ESC and Mouz. Also Socke, Fraer, White-Ra did and all of them are (or maybe were, in Ra´s case, idk much about his current shape) ahead of Minigun.
You failed at pretending. Mana was one of the best BW toss players, if not the best. I wasn't aware that Socke played BW. German insight at its finest. I'm aware of Fraer from BW, and I was aware of his ELO in SC 2. I haven't seen many of his games, if any, in SC 2. There's always some exceptions, I guess. I was wanting to just say North America, but that's too easy: where's the fun without debate? I went with a tiny stretch. White-ra? He's a fan favorite for good reason, but there's no way you could get me to bet on white-ra over minigun today, let alone in the future.
All things considered, I just don't see a more impressive player. With zerg seemingly being taken down a notch in HotS and minigun gaining even more RTS experience, you'd have to figure if anyone "breaks out" and starts winning a lot of stuff, it should be him. Hardly anyone really seems to be on his level, potential wise. If you're new to a fighting genre and you're already at someone's level in a short amount of time, it doesn't bode well for the other guy, unless it appears you have peaked. To me it just seems like he's more of a player that's still improving in comparison to others.
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Easy win for life seeing idra lost. But GJ MiniGun he always beats idra on ladder and it was no different this time.
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On March 05 2013 04:35 AhOhitzXray wrote:
Easy win for life seeing idra lost. But GJ MiniGun he always beats idra on ladder and it was no different this time.
Uh dude, sorry to burst your bubble but in either scenario it 'should' be an easy win for Life.
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On March 05 2013 04:35 AhOhitzXray wrote:
Easy win for life seeing idra lost. But GJ MiniGun he always beats idra on ladder and it was no different this time.
Even easier win for life if Idra won.....
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On March 05 2013 02:55 Technique wrote:
Idra still chases drops with his complete army... normally you just see noobs do that and considering his broodwar background it really is rather surprising...
Oh well, deserved winner, gratz minigun.
I see Nestea doing that in his games, often enough that I started calling it "ZergBong'ing". I think it's why Nestea's ZvT has always been his weakest match-up by some margin and why he still can't seem to beat decent Terrans even in recent times of Zerg dominance.
So frustrating for people who would like to see older players like him do well.
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Back in my days, you had to win more than one set in order to qualify for a prestigious tournament including travel funding!
Nonetheless good job Minigun, looking forward to see you in MLG. :-)
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Can't believe idra sucked so badly... :d
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On March 05 2013 02:50 playa wrote:
I don't get how minigun is so good. The breakfast of champions is w/ever CJ is eating. No RTS background and still way better than any former BW toss player (pretend Mana isn't playing)? It's been a while since you had to wonder where exactly a non Korean's ceiling is at. Guy is already in everyone's attic. He's too underrated. If someone knows why he can't be as good as any Korean toss player, let me know. I'm curious. All hail Chad bleeping Jones.
That's because minigun primarily focused on macro games, while everyone else is doing dumb all ins, and gimmicky shit.
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On March 05 2013 03:41 playa wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2013 03:14 Xoronius wrote:On March 05 2013 02:50 playa wrote:
I don't get how minigun is so good. The breakfast of champions is w/ever CJ is eating. No RTS background and still way better than any former BW toss player (pretend Mana isn't playing)? It's been a while since you had to wonder where exactly a non Korean's ceiling is at. Guy is already in everyone's attic. He's too underrated. If someone knows why he can't be as good as any Korean toss player, let me know. I'm curious. All hail Chad bleeping Jones. MaNa played a bit of bw for ESC and Mouz. Also Socke, Fraer, White-Ra did and all of them are (or maybe were, in Ra´s case, idk much about his current shape) ahead of Minigun. You failed at pretending. Mana was one of the best BW toss players, if not the best. I wasn't aware that Socke played BW. German insight at its finest. I'm aware of Fraer from BW, and I was aware of his ELO in SC 2. I haven't seen many of his games, if any, in SC 2. There's always some exceptions, I guess. I was wanting to just say North America, but that's too easy: where's the fun without debate? I went with a tiny stretch. White-ra? He's a fan favorite for good reason, but there's no way you could get me to bet on white-ra over minigun today, let alone in the future. All things considered, I just don't see a more impressive player. With zerg seemingly being taken down a notch in HotS and minigun gaining even more RTS experience, you'd have to figure if anyone "breaks out" and starts winning a lot of stuff, it should be him. Hardly anyone really seems to be on his level, potential wise. If you're new to a fighting genre and you're already at someone's level in a short amount of time, it doesn't bode well for the other guy, unless it appears you have peaked. To me it just seems like he's more of a player that's still improving in comparison to others.
I failed at english, I confused pretend with assume for some reason. Fraer may not be that often seen in premier events, but in the more prestigious online events like RSL or EGMC he is taking good wins relatively regularly, for example + Show Spoiler +eliminated aLive last week in RSL
Maybe I´m underestimating Minigun here, but I remember that he got pretty hyped before IEM Cologne as well and we know, what happened there.
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