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On March 04 2013 10:47 Laekoth wrote:
The posts that talk about not GGing being bad manners are downright ridiculous. Leaving a game when you think it's over without saying GG isn't automatically a rage quit, yet so many of you love to assume things. I really doubt Idra was that angry, but I'm sure he wasn't happy.
Idra: ''lol''
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On March 04 2013 16:21 StarStruck wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2013 10:47 urashimakt wrote:On March 04 2013 09:46 Shellshock1122 wrote:I wonder what it would be like if we had threads like these now There was a Rekrul thread a year or two back. Rekrul eventually made a post saying Nazgul had told him to behave, so I guess the rules are a little more strict now. It's reasonable, there's many more users to police today and if they all thought they could be like Rekrul it'd be a mess. No. You have to earn your right to talk smack. Dan gets a lot and I mean a lot of leeway because he's Dan and it is their house. Dan's a pretty blunt guy like myself and there's a reason why they took away his benevolent hammer. Besides he has better things to do. He wasn't that good at Starcraft either, but you know what it was smart on his decision to say screw it I can take people's money through poker and win the old money match of BW from time to time. Props to him for that.
I'm not sure I understand what your "No." references. I didn't ask a question or posit a notion, just mentioned a more recent Rekrul thread that got reined in. In fact, nothing that I said or that you said appear to be contradictory.
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On March 04 2013 16:31 ALPINA wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2013 16:26 blade55555 wrote:On March 04 2013 11:42 forumtext wrote:On March 04 2013 10:02 jalstar wrote:On March 04 2013 09:46 Shellshock1122 wrote:I wonder what it would be like if we had threads like these now Any of the Destiny threads in 2012 were pretty hate-filled but I see your point. My point was just that I'm sick of people saying that famous SC2 people (mostly IdrA and Day[9]) are putting on some sort of act, since I go through old threads occasionally and know it's not true. I am not sure about Idra, but I swear I saw a mod here confirmed that Day[9] is very different in real life. Just an FYI day 9 himself has said this that in real life he is different then how he acts on the day 9 daily's. He has said this multiple times and has never tried to hide that fact either. To be honest these games were very disappointing I was hoping idra would play... well better or use a better composition . Roach/hydra imo is just garbage verse a protoss who knows what he is doing and yeah. Although idra should have won games 2 and 3, he threw those pretty bad which was also pretty unfortunate, game 2 he just never teched right (stayed roach/hydra so died to a 2-3 colossi push off of 2 base) then game 3 he just left to early he still had that but whatever. I really don't think he had G3. I mean minigun still had 5 voids, 2 archons, immortal and a great economy. He would definitely had storms in place for next battle, as well as collossus. Idra's 3K he had banked would have just melted vs. that combo.
Well with the unit composition idra was going he probably didn't he needed to switch. But you can actually beat that you have to remember minigun lost all his splash, he was broke as fuck (minigun was). While yes toss late game is favored, I still don't think idra was out of it.
Honestly the best way to fight that composition anyway is to go swarmhost/hydra/ultra. It does surprisingly well vs that composition and I have beaten toss players who got max voidray/colossi/templar with it as well. It's a composition zergs need to start using as it's the best chance you have verse late game toss.
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On March 04 2013 19:09 blade55555 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2013 16:31 ALPINA wrote:On March 04 2013 16:26 blade55555 wrote:On March 04 2013 11:42 forumtext wrote:On March 04 2013 10:02 jalstar wrote:On March 04 2013 09:46 Shellshock1122 wrote:I wonder what it would be like if we had threads like these now Any of the Destiny threads in 2012 were pretty hate-filled but I see your point. My point was just that I'm sick of people saying that famous SC2 people (mostly IdrA and Day[9]) are putting on some sort of act, since I go through old threads occasionally and know it's not true. I am not sure about Idra, but I swear I saw a mod here confirmed that Day[9] is very different in real life. Just an FYI day 9 himself has said this that in real life he is different then how he acts on the day 9 daily's. He has said this multiple times and has never tried to hide that fact either. To be honest these games were very disappointing I was hoping idra would play... well better or use a better composition . Roach/hydra imo is just garbage verse a protoss who knows what he is doing and yeah. Although idra should have won games 2 and 3, he threw those pretty bad which was also pretty unfortunate, game 2 he just never teched right (stayed roach/hydra so died to a 2-3 colossi push off of 2 base) then game 3 he just left to early he still had that but whatever. I really don't think he had G3. I mean minigun still had 5 voids, 2 archons, immortal and a great economy. He would definitely had storms in place for next battle, as well as collossus. Idra's 3K he had banked would have just melted vs. that combo. Well with the unit composition idra was going he probably didn't he needed to switch. But you can actually beat that you have to remember minigun lost all his splash, he was broke as fuck (minigun was). While yes toss late game is favored, I still don't think idra was out of it. Honestly the best way to fight that composition anyway is to go swarmhost/hydra/ultra. It does surprisingly well vs that composition and I have beaten toss players who got max voidray/colossi/templar with it as well. It's a composition zergs need to start using as it's the best chance you have verse late game toss.
IMO he was slightly behind that game, but under no means out of it. He shouldn't have left that's for sure.
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On March 04 2013 08:24 ROOTT1 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2013 08:09 JJH777 wrote:On March 04 2013 08:04 integrity wrote:On March 04 2013 08:02 ROOTT1 wrote:
game was over yo --, obv it wasnt completely over but idra had like a 20% chance of winning finally an ACTUAL pro comes in and says the truth Axslav is an actual pro who actually had better results in 2012 than TT1 (he made the MLG championship bracket 3 times) and you guys are immediately discrediting his opinion while accepting TT1s? by that logic 90% of na players would be better than me because i only went to 1 mlg in 2012 : D, could be true tho. anyways u guys can argue about the game all u want, enjoy yourselves
I can't watch AxSlav he just isn't "intense" enough for me.
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I knew Minigun was going to win this series easily the second I saw it posted on the schedule. I couldn't be happier about the result.
Watching Idra tell people they are terrible was funny when I still thought he was legitimately top tier foreign talent, but he lost me when I watched him bm Grubby (Grubby of all people, srsly) by telling him he is horrible, awful, etc after going 0-5 vs him on the ladder. In my mind, Idra's bm has gone from making him look like a gritty talent who doesn't give a **** to just a very frustrated and sad individual realizing he's not as good as he thought he was.
Anywho~ after weeks of watching Minigun stomp Idra on the ladder and Idra bm'ing him for it, this result is so sweet.
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Minigun is playing so good lately. Top 50 in a ladder with al the koreans is a mayor archievement, proof of his current level.
And imo that late game was never in Idra hands (too much Idra hype as usual), was pretty even and with very poor micro from idra in the last engagement.
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On March 04 2013 08:09 JJH777 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2013 08:04 integrity wrote:On March 04 2013 08:02 ROOTT1 wrote:
game was over yo --, obv it wasnt completely over but idra had like a 20% chance of winning finally an ACTUAL pro comes in and says the truth Axslav is an actual pro who actually had better results in 2012 than TT1 (he made the MLG championship bracket 3 times) and you guys are immediately discrediting his opinion while accepting TT1s?
I think its really funny that people regard TT1 as a pro lol
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On March 05 2013 00:31 derpface wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2013 08:09 JJH777 wrote:On March 04 2013 08:04 integrity wrote:On March 04 2013 08:02 ROOTT1 wrote:
game was over yo --, obv it wasnt completely over but idra had like a 20% chance of winning finally an ACTUAL pro comes in and says the truth Axslav is an actual pro who actually had better results in 2012 than TT1 (he made the MLG championship bracket 3 times) and you guys are immediately discrediting his opinion while accepting TT1s? I think its really funny that people regard TT1 as a pro lol
Well, TT1 beat Stephano in a BO3 not too long ago, there are certainly worse players .
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It's pathetic that people drag this kind of stuff out to this many pages just because it's Idra so they have to make sure they shit all over him as much as possible. The same thing would happen if this were anybody in EG, like Huk or Incontrol, but instead of calling them BM while being immature whiny fucks in the same exact same post that you're doing it (irony), you'd call them washed up, shit, and tell them they need to just quit Starcraft.
Fuck you hypocrites.
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On March 05 2013 00:48 Maesy wrote:
It's pathetic that people drag this kind of stuff out to this many pages just because it's Idra so they have to make sure they shit all over him as much as possible. The same thing would happen if this were anybody in EG, like Huk or Incontrol, but instead of calling them BM while being immature whiny fucks in the same exact same post that you're doing it (irony), you'd call them washed up, shit, and tell them they need to just quit Starcraft.
Fuck you hypocrites.
lol~ after watching Idra lose 10 games in a row vs Minigun on the ladder he called him a coin flipping ladder hero who would never have any success in a tournament format.... I guess what I'm saying is that Idra has earned every ounce of criticism thrown his away. If you dish it out, you gotta be able to take it. Its just that simple.
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On March 05 2013 01:00 Joedaddy wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2013 00:48 Maesy wrote:
It's pathetic that people drag this kind of stuff out to this many pages just because it's Idra so they have to make sure they shit all over him as much as possible. The same thing would happen if this were anybody in EG, like Huk or Incontrol, but instead of calling them BM while being immature whiny fucks in the same exact same post that you're doing it (irony), you'd call them washed up, shit, and tell them they need to just quit Starcraft.
Fuck you hypocrites. lol~ after watching Idra lose 10 games in a row vs Minigun on the ladder he called him a coin flipping ladder hero who would never have any success in a tournament format.... I guess what I'm saying is that Idra has earned every ounce of criticism thrown his away. If you dish it out, you gotta be able to take it. Its just that simple.
^ agreed 100%
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On March 05 2013 01:00 Joedaddy wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2013 00:48 Maesy wrote:
It's pathetic that people drag this kind of stuff out to this many pages just because it's Idra so they have to make sure they shit all over him as much as possible. The same thing would happen if this were anybody in EG, like Huk or Incontrol, but instead of calling them BM while being immature whiny fucks in the same exact same post that you're doing it (irony), you'd call them washed up, shit, and tell them they need to just quit Starcraft.
Fuck you hypocrites. lol~ after watching Idra lose 10 games in a row vs Minigun on the ladder he called him a coin flipping ladder hero who would never have any success in a tournament format.... I guess what I'm saying is that Idra has earned every ounce of criticism thrown his away. If you dish it out, you gotta be able to take it. Its just that simple.
There may be some (very little) actual criticism in this thread, but most of it is player bashing, plain and simple. I'm not talking about just Idra. This is happening to a lot of players lately when this is supposed to be a community. It's disgusting to see people like you actually supporting this happening when all it leads to is players feeling even worse and it could push professional players to thinning out and quitting the game entirely. Then your 'community' is gone altogether. Congratulations.
The fact that this is about to touch 30 pages when Calibur vs Goswser has 5 pages proves my point enough.
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On March 05 2013 01:07 Maesy wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2013 01:00 Joedaddy wrote:On March 05 2013 00:48 Maesy wrote:
It's pathetic that people drag this kind of stuff out to this many pages just because it's Idra so they have to make sure they shit all over him as much as possible. The same thing would happen if this were anybody in EG, like Huk or Incontrol, but instead of calling them BM while being immature whiny fucks in the same exact same post that you're doing it (irony), you'd call them washed up, shit, and tell them they need to just quit Starcraft.
Fuck you hypocrites. lol~ after watching Idra lose 10 games in a row vs Minigun on the ladder he called him a coin flipping ladder hero who would never have any success in a tournament format.... I guess what I'm saying is that Idra has earned every ounce of criticism thrown his away. If you dish it out, you gotta be able to take it. Its just that simple. There may be some (very little) actual criticism in this thread, but most of it is player bashing, plain and simple. I'm not talking about just Idra. This is happening to a lot of players lately when this is supposed to be a community. It's disgusting to see people like you actually supporting this happening when all it leads to is players feeling even worse and it could push professional players to thinning out and quitting the game entirely. Then your 'community' is gone altogether. Congratulations. The fact that this is about to touch 30 pages when Calibur vs Goswser has 5 pages proves my point enough.
Speaking specifically about Idra, I don't find any need for criticism concerning him to be constructive. Idra is the king of player bashing. Just watch his stream or ask Minigun lol. Idra has fully embraced his image and in some ways has worked to cultivate his "bad boy" brand. Everything you're saying, Idra basically does the opposite of. There's nothing constructive taking place when Idra says he thinks David Kim should be raped with a tire iron, or when he calls one of the most mannered players Ive ever watched (Grubby) "awful" after going 0-5, or calls minigun a coin flipping ladder hero. His comments like "it will be very satisfying seeing this player disappear completely" aren't meant to encourage community growth. Idra's criticism is meant to make the other guy feel bad. Expecting the community to do anything less when Idra comes up short is nonsensical.
Either way, I'd encourage you to re-evaluate the effect you believe all this may or may not have on Idra as a player. He's doing extremely well for himself, and he has shown no sign of giving any fucks about what the community has to say about him. I seriously doubt the comments in this thread and others would make him think twice about his future in "the community."
The fact that even when he loses threads blow up is a great thing for him and his continued success as a figure in competitive e-sports. I'll worry about the community dying when people don't hop on board the soul train to take a shot at Idra after he loses to a NA Protoss. By the looks of this thread, the community is alive and well.
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On March 04 2013 23:30 Joedaddy wrote:
I knew Minigun was going to win this series easily the second I saw it posted on the schedule. I couldn't be happier about the result.
Watching Idra tell people they are terrible was funny when I still thought he was legitimately top tier foreign talent, but he lost me when I watched him bm Grubby (Grubby of all people, srsly) by telling him he is horrible, awful, etc after going 0-5 vs him on the ladder. In my mind, Idra's bm has gone from making him look like a gritty talent who doesn't give a **** to just a very frustrated and sad individual realizing he's not as good as he thought he was.
Anywho~ after weeks of watching Minigun stomp Idra on the ladder and Idra bm'ing him for it, this result is so sweet.
100% correct!
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IdrA is very good "in theoretical scenarios" - He'd probably make it damn good coach, so a career swap couldn't hurt. 
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On March 04 2013 08:38 ROOTMinigun wrote:
Thanks for the support <3 .
I appreciate MLG giving me Life so I can create a huge upset for my first win.
cough cough
right guys
;_;
Got to love this guy. When Life gives you lemons...
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On March 05 2013 01:36 thewhiskey wrote:IdrA is very good "in theoretical scenarios" - He'd probably make it damn good coach, so a career swap couldn't hurt.
someone in EG has to play the clanwars... they cant all become casters/coaches/etc :p
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On March 04 2013 23:30 Joedaddy wrote:
I knew Minigun was going to win this series easily the second I saw it posted on the schedule. I couldn't be happier about the result.
Watching Idra tell people they are terrible was funny when I still thought he was legitimately top tier foreign talent, but he lost me when I watched him bm Grubby (Grubby of all people, srsly) by telling him he is horrible, awful, etc after going 0-5 vs him on the ladder. In my mind, Idra's bm has gone from making him look like a gritty talent who doesn't give a **** to just a very frustrated and sad individual realizing he's not as good as he thought he was.
Anywho~ after weeks of watching Minigun stomp Idra on the ladder and Idra bm'ing him for it, this result is so sweet.
Sadly, IdrA makes more money by being tragic than most players on the merit of their ability.
He loses a show match, talks badly about his opponent and the internet pays attention.
A curious business strategy, but evidently it works. You might be laughing about him not being able to compete with Koreans or the top 100 foreigners, but he is laughing, too. All the way to the bank.
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