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Evil_Sheep
Canada902 Posts
Overpaid players who've covered themselves in glory elsewhere, but can't work as a team and are far less than the sum of their parts? Ya sounds pretty familiar.  Unlike England however, these guys haven't got carried by foreigners to their trophies, they've earned them on their own, which makes it all the more baffling. | ||
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PVJ
Hungary5214 Posts
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Evil_Sheep
Canada902 Posts
On February 17 2013 01:54 Faranth wrote: Their preparation was simply below the level necessary to win the set. Stephano vs. Effort felt like a standard ladder game - they played safe, normal strategies and Stephano simply outplayed Effort in the engagements and made a smoother transition into Brood Lord/Corruptor. I still think that Effort had some superior decisions and play, like scrapping drones for far more spine crawlers and a bigger army (Stephano had 8k minerals - unnecessary use of supply to collect more), and Effort had over double the larvae count for most of the game, showing better mechanics, but Stephano executed where it counted. I thought Effort could've played better...he didn't press his advantage when he had the higher infestor count, instead he sat back while Stephano teched up into his infestor/BL. I thought it was a mistake for Effort to cut his drones so early, so Stephano just built up a huge bank while Effort had none. Even if they had destroyed each other's armies, Stephano could just remax while Effort had no cushion. As it was, Stephano got the better engagement and Effort had no chance. Stephano has a lot of holes in his zvz but infestor/BL macro is his comfort zone. I'm surprised Effort did not know that... I stopped watching Taeja's game when he started to float the factory back to his base, literally directly across the path of the natural flow of skyHigh's army. Again, a sign of lackluster preparation. He would have been better off floating the factory INTO skyHigh's base for scouting, and it wouldn't have raised his opponent's suspicions nearly as much, as a floated proxy factory has been standardish at some points in the metagame for scouting purposes. How does the team not catch this flaw in the build? I get the distinct feeling he didn't practise that build so much...or at all........ As I wrote in the preview thread: "So you're Taeja. Your team is down 1-2, scraping the bottom of Proleague, and they're really counting on your win because you're probably their best player. You're making your grand comeback from injury against a terran on a 5-match losing streak and 0-4 in TvT's. You probably couldn't ask for a better opponent to ease your return to Proleague. Do you: a) Play a straight-up macro TvT and go for the safe win since you're one of the best terrans in the world right now b) Go for standard hellion/cloaked banshee harass c) Go for a high-risk, cheesy, weird proxy factory/starport for hellion/cloaked banshee harass If you picked c) you are Liquid.Taeja. Unfortunately his opponent chose b), blundered into c), vaporized his hellions/banshee and then wiped out his SCV's with his own hellions/cloaked banshee (literally, there were like 10 SCV's left alive.) Seriously...how are you supposed to make useful predictions about Proleague when this happens?" | ||
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1Dhalism
862 Posts
On February 17 2013 06:48 Evil_Sheep wrote: Overpaid players who've covered themselves in glory elsewhere, but can't work as a team and are far less than the sum of their parts? Ya sounds pretty familiar. Unlike England however, these guys haven't got carried by foreigners to their trophies, they've earned them on their own, which makes it all the more baffling. They sorta have considering the tournaments theyve won :D | ||
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SneX
Sweden377 Posts
On February 16 2013 14:22 RKC wrote: Oh yeah, SC2. I was thinking about BW for a moment. To me, Fantasy is the Andy Murray of BW. So much talent, so much promise, but always fall short at being champion (especially the last OSL with a near perfect run before falling to Jangbi - again). What's that term again? Oh yes, konjwa. So Bisu is the ____ of SC2? Really? cause last time i checked Murray was the champion of the latest US Open and the Olympics  | ||
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edgeOut
United States945 Posts
On February 17 2013 17:48 SneX wrote: Really? cause last time i checked Murray was the champion of the latest US Open and the Olympics Fantasy has OSL and multiple proleague championship also, just always gets dominated by the hottest player atm. Pretty similar to Andy. | ||
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Proseat
Germany5113 Posts
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SneX
Sweden377 Posts
On February 17 2013 17:51 edgeOut wrote: Fantasy has OSL and multiple proleague championship also, just always gets dominated by the hottest player atm. Pretty similar to Andy. Oh ok. I didnt know that, I havent followed BW. Only reacted on the Murray part. | ||
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Telcontar
United Kingdom16710 Posts
On February 17 2013 17:48 SneX wrote: Really? cause last time i checked Murray was the champion of the latest US Open and the Olympics Doesn't matter, because he'll always be a kong at heart. Murray went straight back to being 2nd best in the 2013 Australian Open. He might've overcome his silver-streak twice last year, but his default mode is always 'not quite enough'. | ||
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NicksonReyes
Philippines4431 Posts
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Evil_Sheep
Canada902 Posts
On February 17 2013 17:54 Proseat wrote: EG-TL have now hit rock bottom of the ranking. It can only get better from here on out... hopefully... Next stop, the only consistently good team in Proleague, and mirror matches for HerO and Stephano. Stephano gets paired against the guy who 4-0'd Life out of the last GSL and looks like he could take this one. Oh, and they decided now would be a good time to bust out the PuMa again. Rock bottom? This is just another stop on the way. | ||
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Inzan1ty
1163 Posts
On February 17 2013 18:16 NicksonReyes wrote: LOL, they're now in the Airforce ACE slot. wow dont compare them with..........legends altho JD prolly is one. | ||
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figq
12519 Posts
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MapleLeafSirup
Germany950 Posts
They had their chance at the beginning of the season when the Kespa players were still learning the game But questionable coach decisions made them throw too many series Right now, the premises are different. Anybody who followed BW knows how absurdly good these Kespa players are and as we can see they keep getting better and better. EG-TL finally brought their very best lineup but still lost in a convincing fashion. They can still win series in my opinion, but the chances of winning keep getting lower due to the improvements that Kespa players are making | ||
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elderamy
Portugal17 Posts
On February 17 2013 19:33 MapleLeafSirup wrote: Seems like EG-TL's time is over. They had their chance at the beginning of the season when the Kespa players were still learning the game But questionable coach decisions made them throw too many series Right now, the premises are different. Anybody who followed BW knows how absurdly good these Kespa players are and as we can see they keep getting better and better. EG-TL finally brought their very best lineup but still lost in a convincing fashion. They can still win series in my opinion, but the chances of winning keep getting lower due to the improvements that Kespa players are making All this talk about kespa dudes now learning the game and owning the rest is such a nonsense... both sides have all kind of players at all kinds of levels... how hard is to understand that kespa players give priority to SPL above all and are simple better teams... They are more prepared to deal with the SPL kind of style, more prepared to fight in less orthodox ways and prepare themselves better against their opponents. SPL is not so much about the individual strength of players but more about the study of the opponents and the preparation for these combats... Even a C player can beat an A player if he studies well his opponent and prepares the correct way... EG-TL aren't a real team yet and they are lacking preparation and the focus on this... Hopefully they will pull themselves together and show their real strengths... | ||
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snakeeyez
United States1231 Posts
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Elroi
Sweden5594 Posts
On February 18 2013 04:47 elderamy wrote: All this talk about kespa dudes now learning the game and owning the rest is such a nonsense... both sides have all kind of players at all kinds of levels... how hard is to understand that kespa players give priority to SPL above all and are simple better teams... They are more prepared to deal with the SPL kind of style, more prepared to fight in less orthodox ways and prepare themselves better against their opponents. SPL is not so much about the individual strength of players but more about the study of the opponents and the preparation for these combats... Even a C player can beat an A player if he studies well his opponent and prepares the correct way... EG-TL aren't a real team yet and they are lacking preparation and the focus on this... Hopefully they will pull themselves together and show their real strengths... Bad excuse imo. (Even though there probably is a substantial difference in how much the kespa teams and EG TL value PL.) How do you account for the fact that Jaedong (3 osls, 2 msls), Flash (3 osls, 3 msls) and Bisu (3 msls) are also the best PL players of all time? | ||
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BlazeFury01
United States1460 Posts
On February 17 2013 07:04 Evil_Sheep wrote: I thought Effort could've played better...he didn't press his advantage when he had the higher infestor count, instead he sat back while Stephano teched up into his infestor/BL. I thought it was a mistake for Effort to cut his drones so early, so Stephano just built up a huge bank while Effort had none. Even if they had destroyed each other's armies, Stephano could just remax while Effort had no cushion. As it was, Stephano got the better engagement and Effort had no chance. Stephano has a lot of holes in his zvz but infestor/BL macro is his comfort zone. I'm surprised Effort did not know that... I get the distinct feeling he didn't practise that build so much...or at all........ As I wrote in the preview thread: "So you're Taeja. Your team is down 1-2, scraping the bottom of Proleague, and they're really counting on your win because you're probably their best player. You're making your grand comeback from injury against a terran on a 5-match losing streak and 0-4 in TvT's. You probably couldn't ask for a better opponent to ease your return to Proleague. Do you: a) Play a straight-up macro TvT and go for the safe win since you're one of the best terrans in the world right now b) Go for standard hellion/cloaked banshee harass c) Go for a high-risk, cheesy, weird proxy factory/starport for hellion/cloaked banshee harass If you picked c) you are Liquid.Taeja. Unfortunately his opponent chose b), blundered into c), vaporized his hellions/banshee and then wiped out his SCV's with his own hellions/cloaked banshee (literally, there were like 10 SCV's left alive.) Seriously...how are you supposed to make useful predictions about Proleague when this happens?" The two bolded statements speak for themselves. Taeja knows more then you do, therefore chose a build that he was comfortable with. Unfortunately for him and the EG-TL fans, Taejas build was scouted and he was punished hard for it. Also to the person stating that it was Taejas "lifted moving factory" that caused him to lose. It wasn't Taeja's factory, it was the direction his SCV came from which resulted in SkyHighs decision to search the top. Another thing to keep in mind was the SkyHigh was already preparing for early banshee harass well before he scouted the Starport, and was most likely saving scans because he's familiar with the time the cloaked banshee harass should hit. | ||
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edgeOut
United States945 Posts
On February 18 2013 04:47 elderamy wrote: All this talk about kespa dudes now learning the game and owning the rest is such a nonsense... both sides have all kind of players at all kinds of levels... how hard is to understand that kespa players give priority to SPL above all and are simple better teams... They are more prepared to deal with the SPL kind of style, more prepared to fight in less orthodox ways and prepare themselves better against their opponents. SPL is not so much about the individual strength of players but more about the study of the opponents and the preparation for these combats... Even a C player can beat an A player if he studies well his opponent and prepares the correct way... EG-TL aren't a real team yet and they are lacking preparation and the focus on this... Hopefully they will pull themselves together and show their real strengths... Yeah, that's why there are more KeSPA players in GSL Ro8 than esf players right now, when most of the mid tier players still need time to climb the GSL ladder to show their skills. If they really care about GSL, where do esf guys go? | ||
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Bagration
United States18282 Posts
On February 16 2013 03:46 Azriel wrote: No Puma? WTF is this? They needed Puma as the token Terran when Taeja was out, but now that Taeja is back, Puma isn't necessary anymore. | ||
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