[SPL] EG-Liquid vs CJ Entus R3 Game 1: 0-0 Stephano vs EffOrt Map: Akilon Flats
0:00 Stephano spawns in the top left EffOrt spawns in the bottom right
1:45 14 pool for Stephano
2:00 Hatch first for EffOrt Hatch for Stephano pool for EffORt gas for EffOrt gas for Stephano
3:00 queens and drones
4:00 ling speed for EffOrt ling speed for Stephano spine in the natural for EffOrt baneling nest for EffOrt
5:00 baneling nest for Stephano lings of EffOrt get a full scout of Stephano's base spine in the natural for Stephano
6:00 Stephano looking to put on some ling baneling pressure against EffOrt but defensive banes and a spine make him back off Lair for Stephano 2 more gas for Stephano
7:00 lings of EffOrt get into Stephano's main and scout the lair timing 4th gas for Stephano air for EffOrt 2 more gas for EffOrt evo chamber for EffOrt EffOrt kills off 3 drones with his few scouting lings evo chamber for Stephano roach warren for EffOrt
8:00 Spire for Stephano +1 range attack started for EffOrt 3rd base for Stephano both players trading their banelings EffOrt scouts the 3rd of Stephano 20 lings coming out for Stephano +1 range attack started for Stephano infestation pit for EffOrt Roach speed for EffOrt
9:00 Stephano pushes back the lings of EffORt 3rd base on the way for EffOrt as well Stephano sending lings to the 3rd of EffORt Stephano kills the building 3rd of EffOrt - no cancel pathogen glands for EffORt lings fighting at the bottom of EffOrt's natural ramp ling runby in the main of Stephano
10:00 muta production started for Stephano infestor production started for EffOrt Roach warren for Stephano infestation pit for Stephano 3rd base restarted for EffOrt
11:00 mutas of Stephano fly in and start attacking the 3rd of EffOrt 4 queens of EffOrt chase the mutas away +2 range attack started for Stephano Roach speed for Stephano ling runby in the natural of Stephano Stephano doesnt lose any drones to it
12:00 pathogen glands for Stephano +2 range attack started for Stephano Hydralisk den for EffOrt macro hatch for Stephano Burrow research started for EffOrt infestor production started for Stephano
13:00 contaminate on Stephano's evo chamber Hydra range started for EffOrt
14:00 4th base for Stephano Hydralisk den for Stephano Stephano is 40 supply ahead atm Hydra production started for EffOrt
15:00 Hydra range started for Stephano 2 burrowed infestors moving towards the 4th of Stephano +1 carapace started for Stephano burrow research started for Stephano mutas are caught by fungals on the right side of the map +1 carapace started for EffOrt Stephano loses all of his mutas ITs thrown out at Stephano's 4th roaches of Stephano saves the 4th base Hydra production started for Stephano
16:00 Engagement in the middle of the map fungals on both armies EffOrt has the better concave Stephano rallying in more units but Stephano is able to push back Stephano's army EffOrt take a 5 supply lead
17:00 4th base for EffOrt burrowed infestors in the main of Stephano are caught and killed Stephano is ahead 6 - 4 in the infestor count EffOrt only has 6 roahces but 30 hydras Hive for Stephano Hive for EffOrt Stephano pushing across the map again as he remaxes 2nd evo chamber for EffOrt 2nd evo chamber for Stephano
18:00 some roaches of Stephano are fungaled and killed as he moves back towards his base ling runby at the 4th of Stephano before his spines finish 4th base of Stephano is killed
19:00 Greater spire for Stephano 4th base restarted for Stephano +2 carapace started for EffOrt EffOrt putting up a bunch of spines at home
20:00 +3 range attack for Stephano +3 range attack for EffOrt Corruptors started for Stephano spire on the way for EffOrt
21:00 roach runby at the 4th of Stephano is cleaned up +1 air attack started for Stephano +2 carapace started for Stephano Brood lords started for Stephano (5) Greater spire started for EffOrt
22:00 Corruptors started for EffOrt EffOrt has 41 hydras vs 17 for Stephano 11 infestors for Stephano vs 9 for EffOrt Brood lords are done for Stephano their creeps are touching
23:00 Effort sending a few roaches to each base for try and harass and free up some supply brood lords started for EffORt +1 flier attack for EffOrt +1 melee for EffOrt +3 carapace for EffOrt more corruptors for Stephano
24:00 ITs thrown out in the main of Stephano Greater spire being targeted Stephano saves it 7 more brood lords morphing for Stephano +2 flier attack started for Stephano 3 more broods on the way for EffOrt 10 corruptors coming out for Stephano 5th base finishes for EffOrt
25:00 Stephano starting to move his spines forward EffOrt's broods come forward to hit the spines but Corruptors make them back up 9 broods for Stephano, 7 for EffOrt armies engage fungals everywhere Corruptors of Stephano kill a ton of EffOrt's broods Stephano takes a 60 supply lead
26:00 corruption on the brood lords Stephano kills all the broods of EffOrt EffOrt being pushed back by Stephano's broods all 9 of Stephano's lived
27:00 EffOrt is 70 supply down now Stephano pushing towards the natural of EffOrt Brood lords sieging up the natural of EffOrt EffOrt has like no ground army though the natural of EffOrt is being destroyed
28:00 Hydras attacking the 3rd of EffOrt greater spire of EffOrt falls spine crawlers of Stephano coming with the army and fighting spines of EffOrt Stephano 100 supply ahead
29:00 more broods morphing for Stephano Corruptors of EffOrt come forward to fight Stephano's but Stephano has too many + hydra support 5th base on the way for Stephano ling runby at the 5th of Stephano
30:00 ling runby at the 3rd of Stephano Brood lords and hydras heading for the 5th of EffOrt EffOrt loses his 5th base EffOrt ggs! Stephano wins game 1 for EG-Liquid!
[SPL] EG-Liquid vs CJ Entus R3 Game 2: 1-0 Revival vs Bong Map: Antiga Shipyard 0:00 Revival spawns in the bottom left Bong spawns in the top right
2:00 pool first for Revival forge first for Bong
3:00 Hatch for Revival Nexus for Bong gateway for Bong Cannon for Bong
4:00 double gas for Bong Cybernetics core for Bong 3rd base for Revival zealot for Bong
5:00 sentry for Bong Stargate for Bong double gas for Revival
6:00 2 more gas for Bong Robo for Bong Phoenix production started for Bong Lair for Revival
7:00 Roach warren for Revival 3rd gas for Revival +1 attack started for Bong 1st phoenix is revealed to kill overlords evo chamber for Revival ling speed for Revival immortal production started for Bong
8:00 4th gas for Revival +1 range attack started for Revival spores started for Revival Raoch speed for Revival infestation pit for Revival 3 more gates for Bong phoenixes harassing the natural
9:00 2 more gas for Revival Revival loses the queen at his 3rd pathogen glands for Revival 4 more gates for Bong
10:00 macro hatch for Revival warp prism for Bong infestor production started for Revival Bong moving out on the map Revival doesnt have many units because he droned up to 70
11:00 fungal on the immortals and sentries phoenixes come in and lift the infestors Bong pushes into the 3rd of Revival phoenixes kill another infestor more and more infestors dying Bong warping in more stalkers with his warp prism
12:00 drones at the 3rd of Revival are pulled 1 immortal left for Bong Bong pushes into the natural of Revival phoenixes kill another infestor forcefield on the main ramp Roach warren is killed
13:00 Revival is 30 supply down Revival ggs! Bong wins and ties the score at 1!
[SPL] EG-Liquid vs CJ Entus R3 Game 3: 1-1 HerO vs Hydra Map: Neo Planet S
0:00 HerO spawns in the top right Hydra spawns in the bottom left
2:00 pool first for Hydra Nexus first for HerO hatch for Hydra forge for HerO inside his main pylon at the natural choke
3:00 cannon for HerO Gateway for HerO
4:00 double gas for HerO 3rd base for Hydra Cybernetics core for HerO zealot for HerO
5:00 +1 attack started for HerO stalker for HerO
6:00 double gas for Hydra 2nd stalker for HerO robo for HerO Roach warren for Hydra evo chamber for Hydra 3rd gas for HerO
7:00 Lair for Hydra 3 more gates for HerO overlord scouts the robo before dying 2 more gas for Hydra ling speed for Hydra warp prism for HerO 4th gas for HerO Twilight council for HerO +1 range attack for Hydra
8:00 a few roaches started for Hydra observer for HerO roach speed started for Hydra immortal production started for HerO 2 more gas for Hydra warp prism flies into the main but zerglings are waiting +2 attack started for HerO
9:00 blink research started for HerO Spire for Hydra HERO FORGOT WARPGATE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 2 more gateways for HerO 4th base for Hydra
10:00 HerO still making immortals overseer gets a full scout of HerO's main hallucination for HerO +1 melee for Hydra
11:00 muta production started for Hydra 11 mutas coming out +1 flier attack for Hydra macro hatch for Hydra mutas kill the warp prism full of stalkers
12:00 mutas fly into the natural of HerO and start killing probes 9 more mutas on the way for Hydra HerO putting up cannons
13:00 mutas and roaches attacking the natural of HerO Hero turns his army around and comes home to defend more mutas for Hydra +2 melee started for Hydra HerO pushing out for an attack with 6 sentries 4 immortals and 16 stalkers HerO is supply blocked lings attacking the natural mutas in the natural theres like 11 spines for Hydra in the natural
14:00 lings break into the main of HerO HerO blinks intot he main of Hydra immortals kill the 4th of Hydra mutas cleaning up the stalkers in the main of HerO HerO trying to evacuate his probes but Hydra chases htem down immortals killing the 3rd of Hydra
15:00 Drones and lings in the main of Hydra are fighting the stalkers mutas come home to help defend all the sentries are taken out by mutas mutas fighting the stalkers now HerO doesnt have enough anti air the last stalker dies HerO ggs! Hydra gives CJ Entus the 2-1 lead!
On February 16 2013 13:43 xmungam wrote: sKyHigh vs TaeJa on Skyfrost
2 player map with a back expansion. but its a TvT so maps don't matter as much lol.
but players scouting, taeja getting a slightly faster gas than skyhigh. nice wall of from taeja, but theres 2 entrances into the main?
and taeja going for a proxy fact in the middle of the map! and skyhigh is going for a proxy expansion :O
hellions moving up to the high ground to take out allllllll of taeja's lined up marines, empty bunker and now skyhigh is running his hellions into the main base, taeja is pulling scvs but they aren't helping too much! he's trying to expand to the back but he is so so down in army supply,omg but wow
wow amazing micro from taeja and he manages to kill all the helions, marines and the landed viking with some hellions.
BUT skyhigh is now gonna come in and he has his OWN cloaked banshee!!! so skyhigh is getting a lot of kills here, taeja has no scansssssssss!!! :O
BUT Taeja's not giving up! he's going for a drop with hellions in to skyhighs main but doesn't do too much damage
but now skyhigh is moving in with a lot of hellions, and they all do some damage to Taeja's economy before dying.
now more hellions moving in lololol.... taeja has vikings which are doing a good job vs hellions, even with some nice micro tries to stay alive but thats GG
This is The fabled no excuses lineup. If they lose here there's really not much left to say (except for Stephano's ZvZ I suppose, but that's a coaching thing and thus, still no excuse
On February 16 2013 08:15 j4vz wrote: Taeja is gonna crush skyhigh really easily, i dont know whats up with these predictions
I am also confused, where does this come from? Why should Taeja lose against Skyhigh...
TvT, Taeja's injury could have affected practise, Skyhigh is a Kespa player and therefore better at preparing for something specifically... there are a lot of factors. I wouldn't expect it to be a straight up game that Taeja would probably win, cause why would they allow Taeja to play in his comfort zone?
On February 16 2013 08:15 j4vz wrote: Taeja is gonna crush skyhigh really easily, i dont know whats up with these predictions
I am also confused, where does this come from? Why should Taeja lose against Skyhigh...
TvT, Taeja's injury could have affected practise, Skyhigh is a Kespa player and therefore better at preparing for something specifically... there are a lot of factors. I wouldn't expect it to be a straight up game that Taeja would probably win, cause why would they allow Taeja to play in his comfort zone?
So the usual "Kespa players are better in the PL format/prepare better" thing, then I think Taeja will do just fine. I thought maybe Skyhigh was some kind of tvt master I did not know about.
Edit: Taeja's injury might be a factor but it didn't seem to affect him in gsl, but Skyhigh lost his last 5 games, 3 of them being tvt.
On February 16 2013 08:15 j4vz wrote: Taeja is gonna crush skyhigh really easily, i dont know whats up with these predictions
I am also confused, where does this come from? Why should Taeja lose against Skyhigh...
TvT, Taeja's injury could have affected practise, Skyhigh is a Kespa player and therefore better at preparing for something specifically... there are a lot of factors. I wouldn't expect it to be a straight up game that Taeja would probably win, cause why would they allow Taeja to play in his comfort zone?
So the usual "Kespa players are better in the PL format/prepare better" thing, then I think Taeja will do just fine. I thought maybe Skyhigh was some kind of tvt master I did not know about.
Edit: Taeja's injury might be a factor but it didn't seem to affect him in gsl, but Skyhigh lost his last 5 games, 3 of them being tvt.
Action on the anti playing herO and Soulkey who are on the main as well as Jaedong, also anti, against herO tonight. Gah PvZ, you're killing me.
On another note, I don't like EG-TL's chances at all tonight. I think Effort's ZvZ is elite and Stephano's is quite frankly poor, and HerO has no easy match against Hydra. Revival probably should win, as well as TaeJa, and I think the two Protosses are favored in the final matches of the night. JYP and HerO are the huge ones for both teams. If either team wins both, I think it's done and dusted, but I think we're seeing the ace come out if those matches split.
On February 16 2013 12:16 niteReloaded wrote: I expected to be the only guy from Europe on this page of the thread at least, but there are some more nutcases here. Go to sleep ffs! ^^
On February 16 2013 12:16 niteReloaded wrote: I expected to be the only guy from Europe on this page of the thread at least, but there are some more nutcases here. Go to sleep ffs! ^^
The night is still young :D
are you in Copenhagen or which city?
(in case you reply expecting my reply, and you don't see it, I probably fell asleep )
[SPL] EG-Liquid vs CJ Entus R3 Game 1: 0-0 Stephano vs EffOrt Map: Akilon Flats
0:00 Stephano spawns in the top left EffOrt spawns in the bottom right
1:45 14 pool for Stephano
2:00 Hatch first for EffOrt Hatch for Stephano pool for EffORt gas for EffOrt gas for Stephano
3:00 queens and drones
4:00 ling speed for EffOrt ling speed for Stephano spine in the natural for EffOrt baneling nest for EffOrt
5:00 baneling nest for Stephano lings of EffOrt get a full scout of Stephano's base spine in the natural for Stephano
6:00 Stephano looking to put on some ling baneling pressure against EffOrt but defensive banes and a spine make him back off Lair for Stephano 2 more gas for Stephano
7:00 lings of EffOrt get into Stephano's main and scout the lair timing 4th gas for Stephano air for EffOrt 2 more gas for EffOrt evo chamber for EffOrt EffOrt kills off 3 drones with his few scouting lings evo chamber for Stephano roach warren for EffOrt
8:00 Spire for Stephano +1 range attack started for EffOrt 3rd base for Stephano both players trading their banelings EffOrt scouts the 3rd of Stephano 20 lings coming out for Stephano +1 range attack started for Stephano infestation pit for EffOrt Roach speed for EffOrt
9:00 Stephano pushes back the lings of EffORt 3rd base on the way for EffOrt as well Stephano sending lings to the 3rd of EffORt Stephano kills the building 3rd of EffOrt - no cancel pathogen glands for EffORt lings fighting at the bottom of EffOrt's natural ramp ling runby in the main of Stephano
10:00 muta production started for Stephano infestor production started for EffOrt Roach warren for Stephano infestation pit for Stephano 3rd base restarted for EffOrt
[SPL] EG-Liquid vs CJ Entus R3 Game 1: 0-0 Stephano vs EffOrt Map: Akilon Flats
0:00 Stephano spawns in the top left EffOrt spawns in the bottom right
1:45 14 pool for Stephano
2:00 Hatch first for EffOrt Hatch for Stephano pool for EffORt gas for EffOrt gas for Stephano
3:00 queens and drones
4:00 ling speed for EffOrt ling speed for Stephano spine in the natural for EffOrt baneling nest for EffOrt
5:00 baneling nest for Stephano lings of EffOrt get a full scout of Stephano's base spine in the natural for Stephano
6:00 Stephano looking to put on some ling baneling pressure against EffOrt but defensive banes and a spine make him back off Lair for Stephano 2 more gas for Stephano
7:00 lings of EffOrt get into Stephano's main and scout the lair timing 4th gas for Stephano air for EffOrt 2 more gas for EffOrt evo chamber for EffOrt EffOrt kills off 3 drones with his few scouting lings evo chamber for Stephano roach warren for EffOrt
8:00 Spire for Stephano +1 range attack started for EffOrt 3rd base for Stephano both players trading their banelings EffOrt scouts the 3rd of Stephano 20 lings coming out for Stephano +1 range attack started for Stephano infestation pit for EffOrt Roach speed for EffOrt
9:00 Stephano pushes back the lings of EffORt 3rd base on the way for EffOrt as well Stephano sending lings to the 3rd of EffORt Stephano kills the building 3rd of EffOrt - no cancel pathogen glands for EffORt lings fighting at the bottom of EffOrt's natural ramp ling runby in the main of Stephano
10:00 muta production started for Stephano infestor production started for EffOrt Roach warren for Stephano infestation pit for Stephano 3rd base restarted for EffOrt
11:00 mutas of Stephano fly in and start attacking the 3rd of EffOrt 4 queens of EffOrt chase the mutas away +2 range attack started for Stephano Roach speed for Stephano ling runby in the natural of Stephano Stephano doesnt lose any drones to it
12:00 pathogen glands for Stephano +2 range attack started for Stephano Hydralisk den for EffOrt macro hatch for Stephano Burrow research started for EffOrt infestor production started for Stephano
13:00 contaminate on Stephano's evo chamber Hydra range started for EffOrt
14:00 4th base for Stephano Hydralisk den for Stephano Stephano is 40 supply ahead atm Hydra production started for EffOrt
15:00 Hydra range started for Stephano 2 burrowed infestors moving towards the 4th of Stephano +1 carapace started for Stephano burrow research started for Stephano mutas are caught by fungals on the right side of the map +1 carapace started for EffOrt Stephano loses all of his mutas ITs thrown out at Stephano's 4th roaches of Stephano saves the 4th base Hydra production started for Stephano
On February 16 2013 12:32 Sabu113 wrote: What were the mutas supposed to do?
Keep effort's infestors in his base so that Stephano could win a fight at the front or get free drones depending on where effort decided to send his infestors
I'm pretty sure the Drones weren't attacking. He was just trying to stop the Lings from getting a full surround on the Hatch, not that there were actually enough to do that.
[SPL] EG-Liquid vs CJ Entus R3 Game 1: 0-0 Stephano vs EffOrt Map: Akilon Flats
0:00 Stephano spawns in the top left EffOrt spawns in the bottom right
1:45 14 pool for Stephano
2:00 Hatch first for EffOrt Hatch for Stephano pool for EffORt gas for EffOrt gas for Stephano
3:00 queens and drones
4:00 ling speed for EffOrt ling speed for Stephano spine in the natural for EffOrt baneling nest for EffOrt
5:00 baneling nest for Stephano lings of EffOrt get a full scout of Stephano's base spine in the natural for Stephano
6:00 Stephano looking to put on some ling baneling pressure against EffOrt but defensive banes and a spine make him back off Lair for Stephano 2 more gas for Stephano
7:00 lings of EffOrt get into Stephano's main and scout the lair timing 4th gas for Stephano air for EffOrt 2 more gas for EffOrt evo chamber for EffOrt EffOrt kills off 3 drones with his few scouting lings evo chamber for Stephano roach warren for EffOrt
8:00 Spire for Stephano +1 range attack started for EffOrt 3rd base for Stephano both players trading their banelings EffOrt scouts the 3rd of Stephano 20 lings coming out for Stephano +1 range attack started for Stephano infestation pit for EffOrt Roach speed for EffOrt
9:00 Stephano pushes back the lings of EffORt 3rd base on the way for EffOrt as well Stephano sending lings to the 3rd of EffORt Stephano kills the building 3rd of EffOrt - no cancel pathogen glands for EffORt lings fighting at the bottom of EffOrt's natural ramp ling runby in the main of Stephano
10:00 muta production started for Stephano infestor production started for EffOrt Roach warren for Stephano infestation pit for Stephano 3rd base restarted for EffOrt
11:00 mutas of Stephano fly in and start attacking the 3rd of EffOrt 4 queens of EffOrt chase the mutas away +2 range attack started for Stephano Roach speed for Stephano ling runby in the natural of Stephano Stephano doesnt lose any drones to it
12:00 pathogen glands for Stephano +2 range attack started for Stephano Hydralisk den for EffOrt macro hatch for Stephano Burrow research started for EffOrt infestor production started for Stephano
13:00 contaminate on Stephano's evo chamber Hydra range started for EffOrt
14:00 4th base for Stephano Hydralisk den for Stephano Stephano is 40 supply ahead atm Hydra production started for EffOrt
15:00 Hydra range started for Stephano 2 burrowed infestors moving towards the 4th of Stephano +1 carapace started for Stephano burrow research started for Stephano mutas are caught by fungals on the right side of the map +1 carapace started for EffOrt Stephano loses all of his mutas ITs thrown out at Stephano's 4th roaches of Stephano saves the 4th base Hydra production started for Stephano
16:00 Engagement in the middle of the map fungals on both armies EffOrt has the better concave Stephano rallying in more units but Stephano is able to push back Stephano's army EffOrt take a 5 supply lead
17:00 4th base for EffOrt burrowed infestors in the main of Stephano are caught and killed Stephano is ahead 6 - 4 in the infestor count EffOrt only has 6 roahces but 30 hydras Hive for Stephano Hive for EffOrt Stephano pushing across the map again as he remaxes 2nd evo chamber for EffOrt 2nd evo chamber for Stephano
18:00 some roaches of Stephano are fungaled and killed as he moves back towards his base ling runby at the 4th of Stephano before his spines finish 4th base of Stephano is killed
19:00 Greater spire for Stephano 4th base restarted for Stephano +2 carapace started for EffOrt EffOrt putting up a bunch of spines at home
20:00 +3 range attack for Stephano +3 range attack for EffOrt Corruptors started for Stephano spire on the way for EffOrt
If EffOrt can maintain his lower Drone count consistently, his army will be larger than Stephano's, thus have better engagements with Roach/Hydra/Infestor. Problem is, Stephano's bank is larger, so his army will have the better remax capability than EffOrt.
couple of Mutas are always nice even if they don't do eco damage, you get almost all the ovis and deny alot of vision. Hope Stephano won't lose, he had a small advantage all game long.
On February 16 2013 12:35 PhoenixVoid wrote: If EffOrt can maintain his lower Drone count consistently, his army will be larger than Stephano's, thus have better engagements with Roach/Hydra/Infestor. Problem is, Stephano's bank is larger, so his army will have the better remax capability than EffOrt.
And drones will turn into free supply combat units once Stephano is maxed with a bank. So being low on drones is pretty bad and you have to attack into an equal army with spine and spore support. Of course having more drones opens you to a timing. But not really if you have them all game long.
Hmm, effort dropping roaches before he really needed to, I think he was trying to mindgame stefano into believing that his broods are coming sooner then they actually are.
I feel like if it's a long drawn out fight Stephano wins because of the bank. If the fight last only 5 seconds the Effort will win because he has less drones.
[SPL] EG-Liquid vs CJ Entus R3 Game 1: 0-0 Stephano vs EffOrt Map: Akilon Flats
0:00 Stephano spawns in the top left EffOrt spawns in the bottom right
1:45 14 pool for Stephano
2:00 Hatch first for EffOrt Hatch for Stephano pool for EffORt gas for EffOrt gas for Stephano
3:00 queens and drones
4:00 ling speed for EffOrt ling speed for Stephano spine in the natural for EffOrt baneling nest for EffOrt
5:00 baneling nest for Stephano lings of EffOrt get a full scout of Stephano's base spine in the natural for Stephano
6:00 Stephano looking to put on some ling baneling pressure against EffOrt but defensive banes and a spine make him back off Lair for Stephano 2 more gas for Stephano
7:00 lings of EffOrt get into Stephano's main and scout the lair timing 4th gas for Stephano air for EffOrt 2 more gas for EffOrt evo chamber for EffOrt EffOrt kills off 3 drones with his few scouting lings evo chamber for Stephano roach warren for EffOrt
8:00 Spire for Stephano +1 range attack started for EffOrt 3rd base for Stephano both players trading their banelings EffOrt scouts the 3rd of Stephano 20 lings coming out for Stephano +1 range attack started for Stephano infestation pit for EffOrt Roach speed for EffOrt
9:00 Stephano pushes back the lings of EffORt 3rd base on the way for EffOrt as well Stephano sending lings to the 3rd of EffORt Stephano kills the building 3rd of EffOrt - no cancel pathogen glands for EffORt lings fighting at the bottom of EffOrt's natural ramp ling runby in the main of Stephano
10:00 muta production started for Stephano infestor production started for EffOrt Roach warren for Stephano infestation pit for Stephano 3rd base restarted for EffOrt
11:00 mutas of Stephano fly in and start attacking the 3rd of EffOrt 4 queens of EffOrt chase the mutas away +2 range attack started for Stephano Roach speed for Stephano ling runby in the natural of Stephano Stephano doesnt lose any drones to it
12:00 pathogen glands for Stephano +2 range attack started for Stephano Hydralisk den for EffOrt macro hatch for Stephano Burrow research started for EffOrt infestor production started for Stephano
13:00 contaminate on Stephano's evo chamber Hydra range started for EffOrt
14:00 4th base for Stephano Hydralisk den for Stephano Stephano is 40 supply ahead atm Hydra production started for EffOrt
15:00 Hydra range started for Stephano 2 burrowed infestors moving towards the 4th of Stephano +1 carapace started for Stephano burrow research started for Stephano mutas are caught by fungals on the right side of the map +1 carapace started for EffOrt Stephano loses all of his mutas ITs thrown out at Stephano's 4th roaches of Stephano saves the 4th base Hydra production started for Stephano
16:00 Engagement in the middle of the map fungals on both armies EffOrt has the better concave Stephano rallying in more units but Stephano is able to push back Stephano's army EffOrt take a 5 supply lead
17:00 4th base for EffOrt burrowed infestors in the main of Stephano are caught and killed Stephano is ahead 6 - 4 in the infestor count EffOrt only has 6 roahces but 30 hydras Hive for Stephano Hive for EffOrt Stephano pushing across the map again as he remaxes 2nd evo chamber for EffOrt 2nd evo chamber for Stephano
18:00 some roaches of Stephano are fungaled and killed as he moves back towards his base ling runby at the 4th of Stephano before his spines finish 4th base of Stephano is killed
19:00 Greater spire for Stephano 4th base restarted for Stephano +2 carapace started for EffOrt EffOrt putting up a bunch of spines at home
20:00 +3 range attack for Stephano +3 range attack for EffOrt Corruptors started for Stephano spire on the way for EffOrt
21:00 roach runby at the 4th of Stephano is cleaned up +1 air attack started for Stephano +2 carapace started for Stephano Brood lords started for Stephano (5) Greater spire started for EffOrt
22:00 Corruptors started for EffOrt EffOrt has 41 hydras vs 17 for Stephano 11 infestors for Stephano vs 9 for EffOrt Brood lords are done for Stephano their creeps are touching
23:00 Effort sending a few roaches to each base for try and harass and free up some supply brood lords started for EffORt +1 flier attack for EffOrt +1 melee for EffOrt +3 carapace for EffOrt more corruptors for Stephano
24:00 ITs thrown out in the main of Stephano Greater spire being targeted Stephano saves it 7 more brood lords morphing for Stephano +2 flier attack started for Stephano 3 more broods on the way for EffOrt 10 corruptors coming out for Stephano 5th base finishes for EffOrt
25:00 Stephano starting to move his spines forward EffOrt's broods come forward to hit the spines but Corruptors make them back up 9 broods for Stephano, 7 for EffOrt armies engage fungals everywhere Corruptors of Stephano kill a ton of EffOrt's broods Stephano takes a 60 supply lead
This is probably the biggest victory for EG-TL, most people probably expected Stephano to lose, but now that he took out EffOrt, a huge roadblock is overcome.
[SPL] EG-Liquid vs CJ Entus R3 Game 1: 0-0 Stephano vs EffOrt Map: Akilon Flats
0:00 Stephano spawns in the top left EffOrt spawns in the bottom right
1:45 14 pool for Stephano
2:00 Hatch first for EffOrt Hatch for Stephano pool for EffORt gas for EffOrt gas for Stephano
3:00 queens and drones
4:00 ling speed for EffOrt ling speed for Stephano spine in the natural for EffOrt baneling nest for EffOrt
5:00 baneling nest for Stephano lings of EffOrt get a full scout of Stephano's base spine in the natural for Stephano
6:00 Stephano looking to put on some ling baneling pressure against EffOrt but defensive banes and a spine make him back off Lair for Stephano 2 more gas for Stephano
7:00 lings of EffOrt get into Stephano's main and scout the lair timing 4th gas for Stephano air for EffOrt 2 more gas for EffOrt evo chamber for EffOrt EffOrt kills off 3 drones with his few scouting lings evo chamber for Stephano roach warren for EffOrt
8:00 Spire for Stephano +1 range attack started for EffOrt 3rd base for Stephano both players trading their banelings EffOrt scouts the 3rd of Stephano 20 lings coming out for Stephano +1 range attack started for Stephano infestation pit for EffOrt Roach speed for EffOrt
9:00 Stephano pushes back the lings of EffORt 3rd base on the way for EffOrt as well Stephano sending lings to the 3rd of EffORt Stephano kills the building 3rd of EffOrt - no cancel pathogen glands for EffORt lings fighting at the bottom of EffOrt's natural ramp ling runby in the main of Stephano
10:00 muta production started for Stephano infestor production started for EffOrt Roach warren for Stephano infestation pit for Stephano 3rd base restarted for EffOrt
11:00 mutas of Stephano fly in and start attacking the 3rd of EffOrt 4 queens of EffOrt chase the mutas away +2 range attack started for Stephano Roach speed for Stephano ling runby in the natural of Stephano Stephano doesnt lose any drones to it
12:00 pathogen glands for Stephano +2 range attack started for Stephano Hydralisk den for EffOrt macro hatch for Stephano Burrow research started for EffOrt infestor production started for Stephano
13:00 contaminate on Stephano's evo chamber Hydra range started for EffOrt
14:00 4th base for Stephano Hydralisk den for Stephano Stephano is 40 supply ahead atm Hydra production started for EffOrt
15:00 Hydra range started for Stephano 2 burrowed infestors moving towards the 4th of Stephano +1 carapace started for Stephano burrow research started for Stephano mutas are caught by fungals on the right side of the map +1 carapace started for EffOrt Stephano loses all of his mutas ITs thrown out at Stephano's 4th roaches of Stephano saves the 4th base Hydra production started for Stephano
16:00 Engagement in the middle of the map fungals on both armies EffOrt has the better concave Stephano rallying in more units but Stephano is able to push back Stephano's army EffOrt take a 5 supply lead
17:00 4th base for EffOrt burrowed infestors in the main of Stephano are caught and killed Stephano is ahead 6 - 4 in the infestor count EffOrt only has 6 roahces but 30 hydras Hive for Stephano Hive for EffOrt Stephano pushing across the map again as he remaxes 2nd evo chamber for EffOrt 2nd evo chamber for Stephano
18:00 some roaches of Stephano are fungaled and killed as he moves back towards his base ling runby at the 4th of Stephano before his spines finish 4th base of Stephano is killed
19:00 Greater spire for Stephano 4th base restarted for Stephano +2 carapace started for EffOrt EffOrt putting up a bunch of spines at home
20:00 +3 range attack for Stephano +3 range attack for EffOrt Corruptors started for Stephano spire on the way for EffOrt
21:00 roach runby at the 4th of Stephano is cleaned up +1 air attack started for Stephano +2 carapace started for Stephano Brood lords started for Stephano (5) Greater spire started for EffOrt
22:00 Corruptors started for EffOrt EffOrt has 41 hydras vs 17 for Stephano 11 infestors for Stephano vs 9 for EffOrt Brood lords are done for Stephano their creeps are touching
23:00 Effort sending a few roaches to each base for try and harass and free up some supply brood lords started for EffORt +1 flier attack for EffOrt +1 melee for EffOrt +3 carapace for EffOrt more corruptors for Stephano
24:00 ITs thrown out in the main of Stephano Greater spire being targeted Stephano saves it 7 more brood lords morphing for Stephano +2 flier attack started for Stephano 3 more broods on the way for EffOrt 10 corruptors coming out for Stephano 5th base finishes for EffOrt
25:00 Stephano starting to move his spines forward EffOrt's broods come forward to hit the spines but Corruptors make them back up 9 broods for Stephano, 7 for EffOrt armies engage fungals everywhere Corruptors of Stephano kill a ton of EffOrt's broods Stephano takes a 60 supply lead
26:00 corruption on the brood lords Stephano kills all the broods of EffOrt EffOrt being pushed back by Stephano's broods all 9 of Stephano's lived
27:00 EffOrt is 70 supply down now Stephano pushing towards the natural of EffOrt Brood lords sieging up the natural of EffOrt EffOrt has like no ground army though the natural of EffOrt is being destroyed
28:00 Hydras attacking the 3rd of EffOrt greater spire of EffOrt falls spine crawlers of Stephano coming with the army and fighting spines of EffOrt Stephano 100 supply ahead
29:00 more broods morphing for Stephano Corruptors of EffOrt come forward to fight Stephano's but Stephano has too many + hydra support 5th base on the way for Stephano ling runby at the 5th of Stephano
30:00 ling runby at the 3rd of Stephano Brood lords and hydras heading for the 5th of EffOrt EffOrt loses his 5th base EffOrt ggs! Stephano wins game 1 for EG-Liquid!
On February 16 2013 12:39 Bommes wrote: Broodlords so op, Effort 40 more army supply and fight in efforts spine crawlers doesn't even matter when he loses his broodlords against corruptors.
thats because stephano got much better fungals and was able to snipe efforts BLs much faster while stephanos were left untouched.
On February 16 2013 12:40 paladin8 wrote: even zvz is infestor broodlord now... how boring...
It isnt. Im a fan of proleague, but after todays gsl, see this f* turtle game to BL/infestor its just a shame. I think it should be a loss for the 2 players
On February 16 2013 12:39 Bommes wrote: Broodlords so op, Effort 40 more army supply and fight in efforts spine crawlers doesn't even matter when he loses his broodlords against corruptors.
thats because stephano got much better fungals and was able to snipe efforts BLs much faster while stephanos were left untouched.
Yeah thats what I said basically. And the better fungals don't r eally matter when Effort has almost double the infestor count (okay to be fair, I'm not 100% sure Effort used all the Infestor energy before they died), the only thing that mattered was that Stephano had much higher Corruptor count and thats why he won even though he fought inside Efforts spines and had 35-40 less army supply.
On February 16 2013 12:44 edgeOut wrote: Seems that Effort didn't realized the big engagement is coming, and moved away his eyes to other places for 2 seconds, then he lost that battle.
no stephano had more bls and more corrupters so he simply won
On February 16 2013 12:44 edgeOut wrote: Seems that Effort didn't realized the big engagement is coming, and moved away his eyes to other places for 2 seconds, then he lost that battle.
no stephano had more bls and more corrupters so he simply won
Effort had way mode hydras, but the fungals prevented them to go under the broodlords.
Comon its funny, Stephano answers question in English, we all can hear what he says. So I dont know what they hear but if they tell us what SStephano said it does not match.
On February 16 2013 12:52 garlicface wrote: I don't think the casters are aware that we can hear Stephano's audio. We couldn't at the very start of the interview.
If they're unsure they should talk (about Stephano's answers, not some random shit like they were) during the korean rambling but not during the English parts. The casters completely ruined that interview.
[SPL] EG-Liquid vs CJ Entus R3 Game 2: 1-0 Revival vs Bong Map: Antiga Shipyard
0:00 Revival spawns in the bottom left Bong spawns in the top right
2:00 pool first for Revival forge first for Bong
3:00 Hatch for Revival Nexus for Bong gateway for Bong Cannon for Bong
4:00 double gas for Bong Cybernetics core for Bong 3rd base for Revival zealot for Bong
5:00 sentry for Bong Stargate for Bong double gas for Revival
6:00 2 more gas for Bong Robo for Bong Phoenix production started for Bong Lair for Revival
7:00 Roach warren for Revival 3rd gas for Revival +1 attack started for Bong 1st phoenix is revealed to kill overlords evo chamber for Revival ling speed for Revival immortal production started for Bong
8:00 4th gas for Revival +1 range attack started for Revival spores started for Revival Raoch speed for Revival infestation pit for Revival 3 more gates for Bong phoenixes harassing the natural
9:00 2 more gas for Revival Revival loses the queen at his 3rd pathogen glands for Revival 4 more gates for Bong
10:00 macro hatch for Revival warp prism for Bong infestor production started for Revival Bong moving out on the map Revival doesnt have many units because he droned up to 70
On February 16 2013 13:00 Proseat wrote: Now that Stephano won his ZvZ, this might end in a 4-0 which is nice as an EG-TL fan, but less so if you have CJ's herO on your FPL team...
[SPL] EG-Liquid vs CJ Entus R3 Game 2: 1-0 Revival vs Bong Map: Antiga Shipyard
0:00 Revival spawns in the bottom left Bong spawns in the top right
2:00 pool first for Revival forge first for Bong
3:00 Hatch for Revival Nexus for Bong gateway for Bong Cannon for Bong
4:00 double gas for Bong Cybernetics core for Bong 3rd base for Revival zealot for Bong
5:00 sentry for Bong Stargate for Bong double gas for Revival
6:00 2 more gas for Bong Robo for Bong Phoenix production started for Bong Lair for Revival
7:00 Roach warren for Revival 3rd gas for Revival +1 attack started for Bong 1st phoenix is revealed to kill overlords evo chamber for Revival ling speed for Revival immortal production started for Bong
8:00 4th gas for Revival +1 range attack started for Revival spores started for Revival Raoch speed for Revival infestation pit for Revival 3 more gates for Bong phoenixes harassing the natural
9:00 2 more gas for Revival Revival loses the queen at his 3rd pathogen glands for Revival 4 more gates for Bong
10:00 macro hatch for Revival warp prism for Bong infestor production started for Revival Bong moving out on the map Revival doesnt have many units because he droned up to 70
11:00 fungal on the immortals and sentries phoenixes come in and lift the infestors Bong pushes into the 3rd of Revival phoenixes kill another infestor more and more infestors dying Bong warping in more stalkers with his warp prism
12:00 drones at the 3rd of Revival are pulled 1 immortal left for Bong Bong pushes into the natural of Revival phoenixes kill another infestor forcefield on the main ramp Roach warren is killed
13:00 Revival is 30 supply down Revival ggs! Bong wins and ties the score at 1!
On February 16 2013 13:05 Zenbrez wrote: Does the korean stream still lag? I cannot bare these casters anymore. I've never felt such strong emotions towards casters before.
On February 16 2013 13:05 Zenbrez wrote: Does the korean stream still lag? I cannot bare these casters anymore. I've never felt such strong emotions towards casters before.
On February 16 2013 13:00 Proseat wrote: Now that Stephano won his ZvZ, this might end in a 4-0 which is nice as an EG-TL fan, but less so if you have CJ's herO on your FPL team...
Well Revival loses a lot in ZvP.
Well, I guess I'm glad I didn't trade Wooki for Revival.
On February 16 2013 13:05 Zenbrez wrote: Does the korean stream still lag? I cannot bare these casters anymore. I've never felt such strong emotions towards casters before.
On February 16 2013 13:05 Zenbrez wrote: Does the korean stream still lag? I cannot bare these casters anymore. I've never felt such strong emotions towards casters before.
no lag on my end.
The funny thing about korean stream is, even not knowing more than 10 words in korean, after this last months it seems like i can just understand the casters. Weird
On February 16 2013 13:05 Zenbrez wrote: Does the korean stream still lag? I cannot bare these casters anymore. I've never felt such strong emotions towards casters before.
no lag on my end.
Could I get a link? Not in OP, check a link in a previous LR but I think something has changed since then
On February 16 2013 13:02 catplanetcatplanet wrote:
On February 16 2013 13:00 Proseat wrote: Now that Stephano won his ZvZ, this might end in a 4-0 which is nice as an EG-TL fan, but less so if you have CJ's herO on your FPL team...
Well Revival loses a lot in ZvP.
Well, I guess I'm glad I didn't trade Wooki for Revival.
On February 16 2013 13:02 catplanetcatplanet wrote:
On February 16 2013 13:00 Proseat wrote: Now that Stephano won his ZvZ, this might end in a 4-0 which is nice as an EG-TL fan, but less so if you have CJ's herO on your FPL team...
Well Revival loses a lot in ZvP.
Well, I guess I'm glad I didn't trade Wooki for Revival.
On February 16 2013 13:09 catplanetcatplanet wrote:
On February 16 2013 13:06 Proseat wrote:
On February 16 2013 13:02 catplanetcatplanet wrote:
On February 16 2013 13:00 Proseat wrote: Now that Stephano won his ZvZ, this might end in a 4-0 which is nice as an EG-TL fan, but less so if you have CJ's herO on your FPL team...
Well Revival loses a lot in ZvP.
Well, I guess I'm glad I didn't trade Wooki for Revival.
On February 16 2013 13:09 catplanetcatplanet wrote:
On February 16 2013 13:06 Proseat wrote:
On February 16 2013 13:02 catplanetcatplanet wrote:
On February 16 2013 13:00 Proseat wrote: Now that Stephano won his ZvZ, this might end in a 4-0 which is nice as an EG-TL fan, but less so if you have CJ's herO on your FPL team...
Well Revival loses a lot in ZvP.
Well, I guess I'm glad I didn't trade Wooki for Revival.
You mean Zest :o
but actually I hope nobody ever calls him that
Zest and Carno going to tear it up!
These name changes have made me so damn lost that I think I have Carno on my FPL team but I'm not even sure anymore.
On February 16 2013 13:14 CCa1ss1e wrote: love that trailer.. would be so scary in real life.. damn.
It seems to imply the Zerg crash the big ass ship or whatever it is into the planet, which seems kinda dumb since they have all those dudes there already.
I like that they got the generic male scream sound effect in there though.
On February 16 2013 13:09 catplanetcatplanet wrote:
On February 16 2013 13:06 Proseat wrote:
On February 16 2013 13:02 catplanetcatplanet wrote:
On February 16 2013 13:00 Proseat wrote: Now that Stephano won his ZvZ, this might end in a 4-0 which is nice as an EG-TL fan, but less so if you have CJ's herO on your FPL team...
Well Revival loses a lot in ZvP.
Well, I guess I'm glad I didn't trade Wooki for Revival.
You mean Zest :o
but actually I hope nobody ever calls him that
Zest and Carno going to tear it up!
These name changes have made me so damn lost that I think I have Carno on my FPL team but I'm not even sure anymore.
Stats should change his ID whenever his win streak ends.
[SPL] EG-Liquid vs CJ Entus R3 Game 3: 1-1 HerO vs Hydra Map: Neo Planet S
0:00 HerO spawns in the top right Hydra spawns in the bottom left
2:00 pool first for Hydra Nexus first for HerO hatch for Hydra forge for HerO inside his main pylon at the natural choke
3:00 cannon for HerO Gateway for HerO
4:00 double gas for HerO 3rd base for Hydra Cybernetics core for HerO zealot for HerO
5:00 +1 attack started for HerO stalker for HerO
6:00 double gas for Hydra 2nd stalker for HerO robo for HerO Roach warren for Hydra evo chamber for Hydra 3rd gas for HerO
7:00 Lair for Hydra 3 more gates for HerO overlord scouts the robo before dying 2 more gas for Hydra ling speed for Hydra warp prism for HerO 4th gas for HerO Twilight council for HerO +1 range attack for Hydra
8:00 a few roaches started for Hydra observer for HerO roach speed started for Hydra immortal production started for HerO 2 more gas for Hydra warp prism flies into the main but zerglings are waiting +2 attack started for HerO
9:00 blink research started for HerO Spire for Hydra HERO FORGOT WARPGATE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 2 more gateways for HerO 4th base for Hydra
10:00 HerO still making immortals overseer gets a full scout of HerO's main hallucination for HerO +1 melee for Hydra
[SPL] EG-Liquid vs CJ Entus R3 Game 3: 1-1 HerO vs Hydra Map: Neo Planet S
0:00 HerO spawns in the top right Hydra spawns in the bottom left
2:00 pool first for Hydra Nexus first for HerO hatch for Hydra forge for HerO inside his main pylon at the natural choke
3:00 cannon for HerO Gateway for HerO
4:00 double gas for HerO 3rd base for Hydra Cybernetics core for HerO zealot for HerO
5:00 +1 attack started for HerO stalker for HerO
6:00 double gas for Hydra 2nd stalker for HerO robo for HerO Roach warren for Hydra evo chamber for Hydra 3rd gas for HerO
7:00 Lair for Hydra 3 more gates for HerO overlord scouts the robo before dying 2 more gas for Hydra ling speed for Hydra warp prism for HerO 4th gas for HerO Twilight council for HerO +1 range attack for Hydra
8:00 a few roaches started for Hydra observer for HerO roach speed started for Hydra immortal production started for HerO 2 more gas for Hydra warp prism flies into the main but zerglings are waiting +2 attack started for HerO
9:00 blink research started for HerO Spire for Hydra HERO FORGOT WARPGATE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 2 more gateways for HerO 4th base for Hydra
10:00 HerO still making immortals overseer gets a full scout of HerO's main hallucination for HerO +1 melee for Hydra
11:00 muta production started for Hydra 11 mutas coming out +1 flier attack for Hydra macro hatch for Hydra mutas kill the warp prism full of stalkers
12:00 mutas fly into the natural of HerO and start killing probes 9 more mutas on the way for Hydra HerO putting up cannons
13:00 mutas and roaches attacking the natural of HerO Hero turns his army around and comes home to defend more mutas for Hydra +2 melee started for Hydra HerO pushing out for an attack with 6 sentries 4 immortals and 16 stalkers HerO is supply blocked lings attacking the natural mutas in the natural theres like 11 spines for Hydra in the natural
14:00 lings break into the main of HerO HerO blinks intot he main of Hydra immortals kill the 4th of Hydra mutas cleaning up the stalkers in the main of HerO HerO trying to evacuate his probes but Hydra chases htem down immortals killing the 3rd of Hydra
15:00 Drones and lings in the main of Hydra are fighting the stalkers mutas come home to help defend all the sentries are taken out by mutas mutas fighting the stalkers now HerO doesnt have enough anti air the last stalker dies HerO ggs! Hydra gives CJ Entus the 2-1 lead!
On February 16 2013 13:30 SgtCoDFish wrote: The casters are going to kick themselves when they realise they missed the most important thing about that game completely...
On February 16 2013 13:30 SgtCoDFish wrote: The casters are going to kick themselves when they realise they missed the most important thing about that game completely...
TT HerO
What's that?
HerO forgot to research warp gate on time
Regardless, once warp prism failed he should have gone for a 3rd while taking out the 4th of Hydra, possibly with a zealot attack while defending. Allinning was clearly not gonna work.
On February 16 2013 13:30 SgtCoDFish wrote: The casters are going to kick themselves when they realise they missed the most important thing about that game completely...
On February 16 2013 13:30 SgtCoDFish wrote: The casters are going to kick themselves when they realise they missed the most important thing about that game completely...
TT HerO
What's that?
It would appear some of the watchers will kick themselves too, because everything else is irrelevant compared to the lack of timely WG research
On February 16 2013 13:30 SgtCoDFish wrote: The casters are going to kick themselves when they realise they missed the most important thing about that game completely...
TT HerO
What's that?
HerO forgot to research warp gate on time
Oh, wow. That's not good. How could that happen, hydra didn't put much pressure on him in early game.
I'd like to mention Hero's done the forgot WG thing before. I can't remember where but he did that against Stephano once on Entombed Valley. He won that game if I'm not wrong
I know it was a big mistake not to upgrade WG earlier, but did it really matter? He had it in time when the mutas attacked his natural, and when he had enough immortals to push.
Hope this map is gone soon. Only chance you have as Protoss is that the Zerg goes for Broodlords. You can of course try to end it early, but not a good idea to forget warp gate in that case. The Map is quiet interesting for TvT and TvZ though.
On February 16 2013 13:34 RKC wrote: I know it was a big mistake not to upgrade WG earlier, but did it really matter? He had it in time when the mutas attacked his natural, and when he had enough immortals to push.
He could have attempted some FF tricks with that WP if he had WG researched, particularly considering he had early blink researched
I'm fucking sick of this league, this put 20 ads in a row !!! ridiculous to wait 40 minutes for a game to start everytime, its more ads and shit than the games. gsl so much better
I don't think I'm going to LR any more games for that match because GSTL is starting soon and I'm probably going to switch over to that to watch the HoTS games. I dont want to leave mid game
On February 16 2013 13:38 RandomPlayer wrote: I'm fucking sick of this league, this put 20 ads in a row !!! ridiculous to wait 40 minutes for a game to start everytime, its more ads and shit than the games. gsl so much better
On February 16 2013 13:38 Shellshock1122 wrote: I don't think I'm going to LR any more games for that match because GSTL is starting soon and I'm probably going to switch over to that to watch the HoTS games. I dont want to leave mid game
On February 16 2013 13:38 RandomPlayer wrote: I'm fucking sick of this league, this put 20 ads in a row !!! ridiculous to wait 40 minutes for a game to start everytime, its more ads and shit than the games. gsl so much better
40 minutes? more like 5, you can just do other stuff while waiting you know
On February 16 2013 13:38 RandomPlayer wrote: I'm fucking sick of this league, this put 20 ads in a row !!! ridiculous to wait 40 minutes for a game to start everytime, its more ads and shit than the games. gsl so much better
Farewell, our friend. We'll miss you. See ya on the GSL side though.
On February 16 2013 13:38 RandomPlayer wrote: I'm fucking sick of this league, this put 20 ads in a row !!! ridiculous to wait 40 minutes for a game to start everytime, its more ads and shit than the games. gsl so much better
Chill bro. This because this format is for TV in Korea. its not like gsl which is only for interwebs. Learn to adapt
On February 16 2013 13:34 RKC wrote: I know it was a big mistake not to upgrade WG earlier, but did it really matter? He had it in time when the mutas attacked his natural, and when he had enough immortals to push.
Warp gate can be a critical part of warp prism harass. Without it it's not very effective, especially when there's no sentry to FF the ramp.
On February 16 2013 13:38 RandomPlayer wrote: I'm fucking sick of this league, this put 20 ads in a row !!! ridiculous to wait 40 minutes for a game to start everytime, its more ads and shit than the games. gsl so much better
1) It's nowhere near 40 minutes way to over exaggerate 2) The main broadcast is for TV so they have longer commercial breaks then most leagues yes. 3) Don't like it then don't watch it, no need to post stupid shit in the LR thread.
On February 16 2013 13:38 Shellshock1122 wrote: I don't think I'm going to LR any more games for that match because GSTL is starting soon and I'm probably going to switch over to that to watch the HoTS games. I dont want to leave mid game
On February 16 2013 13:34 RKC wrote: I know it was a big mistake not to upgrade WG earlier, but did it really matter? He had it in time when the mutas attacked his natural, and when he had enough immortals to push.
He could have attempted some FF tricks with that WP if he had WG researched, particularly considering he had early blink researched
Thanks. Good point.
I've been watching SPL a lot, but not GSL. Hydra's build seems rather fresh. Is it a new meta to counter immortal pushes? Better mobility to force good base trades for th Zerg? Easy for sniping WP or immortals?
Skyhigh's first game of the season looked super strong. He hasn't done so hot but I'm still clinging to the hope that he's gonna become awesome any day now :D
taeja does block the scout from skyhigh but now he's also building a proxy starport! looks like he's going for Cloak banshees!! skyhigh with a reactor barracks and a factory up now, but he's moving his marines to the front of the his base and the banshee is on the way,
skyhigh scouts it though!!!!!!!!! snipes the tech lab before cloack finishes! the banshee is gonna go into the main but skyhigh is still building marines and has a viking so the banshee dies before anything happens.
hellions moving up to the high ground to take out allllllll of taeja's lined up marines, empty bunker and now skyhigh is running his hellions into the main base, taeja is pulling scvs but they aren't helping too much! he's trying to expand to the back but he is so so down in army supply,omg but wow
wow amazing micro from taeja and he manages to kill all the helions, marines and the landed viking with some hellions.
BUT skyhigh is now gonna come in and he has his OWN cloaked banshee!!! so skyhigh is getting a lot of kills here, taeja has no scansssssssss!!! :O
On February 16 2013 13:34 RKC wrote: I know it was a big mistake not to upgrade WG earlier, but did it really matter? He had it in time when the mutas attacked his natural, and when he had enough immortals to push.
He could have attempted some FF tricks with that WP if he had WG researched, particularly considering he had early blink researched
Thanks. Good point.
I've been watching SPL a lot, but not GSL. Hydra's build seems rather fresh. Is it a new meta to counter immortal pushes? Better mobility to force good base trades for th Zerg? Easy for sniping WP or immortals?
MC used this build against MC's immortal pushes 2 nights ago. The SPL game wasn't representative of the usual game as Hero forgot warpgate. Basically you make some mutas and hit their mineral lines and force the soul push to come kill you. At the same time you make 15-20 spines at your natural, sac your third and kill as many probes as you can. If the build is too sharp though (i.e. Parting) it probably won't work though.
BUT Taeja's not giving up! he's going for a drop with hellions in to skyhighs main but doesn't do too much damage
but now skyhigh is moving in with a lot of hellions, and they all do some damage to Taeja's economy before dying.
now more hellions moving in lololol.... taeja has vikings which are doing a good job vs hellions, even with some nice micro tries to stay alive but thats GG
On February 16 2013 13:51 Zzoram wrote: The decision to fly that Factory back across a path that made it super likely to be scouted is mind boggling.
Its truly something when sending marines down a narrow corridor when there are obviously hellions out of the map is not the most mind boggling play in a game
Lack of practice on Bifrost for Taeja? Such a wicked map, though! Imba it may be, it's one my favourite maps in BW, from a spectator's POV. I expect it's hell to practice on, gotta check for all the nooks and crannies for proxies, and weird timings not possible on other maps.
On February 16 2013 13:53 RKC wrote: Lack of practice on Bifrost for Taeja? Such a wicked map, though! Imba it may be, it's one my favourite maps in BW, from a spectator's POV. I expect it's hell to practice on, gotta check for all the nooks and crannies for proxies, and weird timings not possible on other maps.
He has been sent out on Bifrost a lot. I definitely recall some games from Round 1 were Taeja was sent out on Bifrost.
On February 16 2013 13:53 RKC wrote: Lack of practice on Bifrost for Taeja? Such a wicked map, though! Imba it may be, it's one my favourite maps in BW, from a spectator's POV. I expect it's hell to practice on, gotta check for all the nooks and crannies for proxies, and weird timings not possible on other maps.
He has been sent out on Bifrost a lot. I definitely recall some games from Round 1 were Taeja was sent out on Bifrost.
I would love to see MKP play on Bifrost, and the ballsy builds he can come up with.
On February 16 2013 13:53 RKC wrote: Lack of practice on Bifrost for Taeja? Such a wicked map, though! Imba it may be, it's one my favourite maps in BW, from a spectator's POV. I expect it's hell to practice on, gotta check for all the nooks and crannies for proxies, and weird timings not possible on other maps.
On February 16 2013 13:53 RKC wrote: Lack of practice on Bifrost for Taeja? Such a wicked map, though! Imba it may be, it's one my favourite maps in BW, from a spectator's POV. I expect it's hell to practice on, gotta check for all the nooks and crannies for proxies, and weird timings not possible on other maps.
He has been sent out on Bifrost a lot. I definitely recall some games from Round 1 were Taeja was sent out on Bifrost.
I would love to see MKP play on Bifrost, and the ballsy builds he can come up with.
On February 16 2013 13:59 allyourbase3 wrote: Absolutely ridiculous play from EG-TL. Does anyone on this team care anymore? Even Stephano looks like he can't be bothered
To be fair, that's what Stephano always look like.
taeja shouldn't have played such a gambly strat. he's pretty strong, no need to gamble. No need to take such risks. And the execution... that factory float was mind bogglingly stupid
On February 16 2013 13:53 RKC wrote: Lack of practice on Bifrost for Taeja? Such a wicked map, though! Imba it may be, it's one my favourite maps in BW, from a spectator's POV. I expect it's hell to practice on, gotta check for all the nooks and crannies for proxies, and weird timings not possible on other maps.
He has been sent out on Bifrost a lot. I definitely recall some games from Round 1 were Taeja was sent out on Bifrost.
I would love to see MKP play on Bifrost, and the ballsy builds he can come up with.
He seems to like the different maps. Like Icarus
Until everyone inevitably also figures out the maps, and then it becomes much harder for him. Sounds like MKP's TvZ.
On February 16 2013 13:53 RKC wrote: Lack of practice on Bifrost for Taeja? Such a wicked map, though! Imba it may be, it's one my favourite maps in BW, from a spectator's POV. I expect it's hell to practice on, gotta check for all the nooks and crannies for proxies, and weird timings not possible on other maps.
He has been sent out on Bifrost a lot. I definitely recall some games from Round 1 were Taeja was sent out on Bifrost.
I would love to see MKP play on Bifrost, and the ballsy builds he can come up with.
He seems to like the different maps. Like Icarus
Until everyone inevitably also figures out the maps, and then it becomes much harder for him. Sounds like MKP's TvZ.
On February 16 2013 13:59 allyourbase3 wrote: Absolutely ridiculous play from EG-TL. Does anyone on this team care anymore? Even Stephano looks like he can't be bothered
On February 16 2013 13:53 RKC wrote: Lack of practice on Bifrost for Taeja? Such a wicked map, though! Imba it may be, it's one my favourite maps in BW, from a spectator's POV. I expect it's hell to practice on, gotta check for all the nooks and crannies for proxies, and weird timings not possible on other maps.
He has been sent out on Bifrost a lot. I definitely recall some games from Round 1 were Taeja was sent out on Bifrost.
I would love to see MKP play on Bifrost, and the ballsy builds he can come up with.
He seems to like the different maps. Like Icarus
Until everyone inevitably also figures out the maps, and then it becomes much harder for him. Sounds like MKP's TvZ.
He's pretty good at wonky situations.
Has MKP v Fantasy before? Preferably in a BO3 or BO5. That would be epic.
On February 16 2013 13:53 RKC wrote: Lack of practice on Bifrost for Taeja? Such a wicked map, though! Imba it may be, it's one my favourite maps in BW, from a spectator's POV. I expect it's hell to practice on, gotta check for all the nooks and crannies for proxies, and weird timings not possible on other maps.
He has been sent out on Bifrost a lot. I definitely recall some games from Round 1 were Taeja was sent out on Bifrost.
I would love to see MKP play on Bifrost, and the ballsy builds he can come up with.
He seems to like the different maps. Like Icarus
Until everyone inevitably also figures out the maps, and then it becomes much harder for him. Sounds like MKP's TvZ.
He's pretty good at wonky situations.
Has MKP v Fantasy before? Preferably in a BO3 or BO5. That would be epic.
Personally, I think it would be laughably one-sided. In my opinion, Fantasy is the Carmelo Anthony of SC2.
On February 16 2013 13:59 allyourbase3 wrote: Absolutely ridiculous play from EG-TL. Does anyone on this team care anymore? Even Stephano looks like he can't be bothered
Absolutely ridiculous play from Taeja*
The rest of your post is idiotic.
Like hero forgetting warp gate or revival getting not even responding to his opponent not taking a third? Supporting this team week in and week out is just getting pointless.
On February 16 2013 13:59 allyourbase3 wrote: Absolutely ridiculous play from EG-TL. Does anyone on this team care anymore? Even Stephano looks like he can't be bothered
Absolutely ridiculous play from Taeja*
The rest of your post is idiotic.
Like hero forgetting warp gate or revival getting not even responding to his opponent not taking a third? Supporting this team week in and week out is just getting pointless.
Players make mistakes, therefore the team doesn't care?
On February 16 2013 13:53 RKC wrote: Lack of practice on Bifrost for Taeja? Such a wicked map, though! Imba it may be, it's one my favourite maps in BW, from a spectator's POV. I expect it's hell to practice on, gotta check for all the nooks and crannies for proxies, and weird timings not possible on other maps.
He has been sent out on Bifrost a lot. I definitely recall some games from Round 1 were Taeja was sent out on Bifrost.
I would love to see MKP play on Bifrost, and the ballsy builds he can come up with.
He seems to like the different maps. Like Icarus
Until everyone inevitably also figures out the maps, and then it becomes much harder for him. Sounds like MKP's TvZ.
He's pretty good at wonky situations.
Has MKP v Fantasy before? Preferably in a BO3 or BO5. That would be epic.
Personally, I think it would be laughably one-sided. In my opinion, Fantasy is the Carmelo Anthony of SC2.
Don't follow American sports that much to know who Mr. Anthony is. Is it similar to being the Andy Murray of SC2?
On February 16 2013 13:53 RKC wrote: Lack of practice on Bifrost for Taeja? Such a wicked map, though! Imba it may be, it's one my favourite maps in BW, from a spectator's POV. I expect it's hell to practice on, gotta check for all the nooks and crannies for proxies, and weird timings not possible on other maps.
He has been sent out on Bifrost a lot. I definitely recall some games from Round 1 were Taeja was sent out on Bifrost.
I would love to see MKP play on Bifrost, and the ballsy builds he can come up with.
He seems to like the different maps. Like Icarus
Until everyone inevitably also figures out the maps, and then it becomes much harder for him. Sounds like MKP's TvZ.
He's pretty good at wonky situations.
Has MKP v Fantasy before? Preferably in a BO3 or BO5. That would be epic.
Personally, I think it would be laughably one-sided. In my opinion, Fantasy is the Carmelo Anthony of SC2.
Don't follow American sports that much to know who Mr. Anthony is. Is it similar to being the Andy Murray of SC2?
I don't believe so. Murray's good, but just loses. Anthony's massively overrated, and everyone's surprised when he loses.
Screw you EGTL coaches, stop sending those players because yknow where is IDRA, the second he arrives EGTL is #1 blahblah. Not trying to troll, just emphasizing the stupidity of previous coach bashing - it's totally not about it.
JD just made so many mistakes after a decent start.. He overcommitted to mutas, he didn't scout stargate tech properly, he took the longest time in making corruptors which easily rock phoenixes, he was unable to handle the multitasking herO imposed on him.. Really poor play, JD's time is running out, he's simply not keeping up.
On February 16 2013 13:53 RKC wrote: Lack of practice on Bifrost for Taeja? Such a wicked map, though! Imba it may be, it's one my favourite maps in BW, from a spectator's POV. I expect it's hell to practice on, gotta check for all the nooks and crannies for proxies, and weird timings not possible on other maps.
He has been sent out on Bifrost a lot. I definitely recall some games from Round 1 were Taeja was sent out on Bifrost.
I would love to see MKP play on Bifrost, and the ballsy builds he can come up with.
He seems to like the different maps. Like Icarus
Until everyone inevitably also figures out the maps, and then it becomes much harder for him. Sounds like MKP's TvZ.
He's pretty good at wonky situations.
Has MKP v Fantasy before? Preferably in a BO3 or BO5. That would be epic.
Personally, I think it would be laughably one-sided. In my opinion, Fantasy is the Carmelo Anthony of SC2.
Don't follow American sports that much to know who Mr. Anthony is. Is it similar to being the Andy Murray of SC2?
I don't believe so. Murray's good, but just loses. Anthony's massively overrated, and everyone's surprised when he loses.
Oh yeah, SC2. I was thinking about BW for a moment. To me, Fantasy is the Andy Murray of BW. So much talent, so much promise, but always fall short at being champion (especially the last OSL with a near perfect run before falling to Jangbi - again). What's that term again? Oh yes, konjwa.
On February 16 2013 14:19 rasers wrote: WELL WELL. now my friends. who do we blame. since JYP and both Puma didnt play. you can't blame it on these 2 like u always do.
On February 16 2013 13:55 HotGlueGun wrote: [quote]
He has been sent out on Bifrost a lot. I definitely recall some games from Round 1 were Taeja was sent out on Bifrost.
I would love to see MKP play on Bifrost, and the ballsy builds he can come up with.
He seems to like the different maps. Like Icarus
Until everyone inevitably also figures out the maps, and then it becomes much harder for him. Sounds like MKP's TvZ.
He's pretty good at wonky situations.
Has MKP v Fantasy before? Preferably in a BO3 or BO5. That would be epic.
Personally, I think it would be laughably one-sided. In my opinion, Fantasy is the Carmelo Anthony of SC2.
Don't follow American sports that much to know who Mr. Anthony is. Is it similar to being the Andy Murray of SC2?
I don't believe so. Murray's good, but just loses. Anthony's massively overrated, and everyone's surprised when he loses.
Oh yeah, SC2. I was thinking about BW for a moment. To me, Fantasy is the Andy Murray of BW. So much talent, so much promise, but always fall short at being champion (especially the last OSL with a near perfect run before falling to Jangbi - again). What's that term again? Oh yes, konjwa.
On February 16 2013 13:55 HotGlueGun wrote: [quote]
He has been sent out on Bifrost a lot. I definitely recall some games from Round 1 were Taeja was sent out on Bifrost.
I would love to see MKP play on Bifrost, and the ballsy builds he can come up with.
He seems to like the different maps. Like Icarus
Until everyone inevitably also figures out the maps, and then it becomes much harder for him. Sounds like MKP's TvZ.
He's pretty good at wonky situations.
Has MKP v Fantasy before? Preferably in a BO3 or BO5. That would be epic.
Personally, I think it would be laughably one-sided. In my opinion, Fantasy is the Carmelo Anthony of SC2.
Don't follow American sports that much to know who Mr. Anthony is. Is it similar to being the Andy Murray of SC2?
I don't believe so. Murray's good, but just loses. Anthony's massively overrated, and everyone's surprised when he loses.
Oh yeah, SC2. I was thinking about BW for a moment. To me, Fantasy is the Andy Murray of BW. So much talent, so much promise, but always fall short at being champion (especially the last OSL with a near perfect run before falling to Jangbi - again). What's that term again? Oh yes, konjwa.
On February 16 2013 14:16 ThisWillBEz wrote: Build order loss
What? what part of this was a BO loss?
Going mutas after the pheonixs basically made it that way. Once he has upwards of 5 it is time to get the infestors. unless u can hide the mutas for a very large ball which is very hard with pheonixs scouting around. I think JD planned on going mutas and was going to do it regardless of what herO was doing
On February 16 2013 13:55 HotGlueGun wrote: [quote]
He has been sent out on Bifrost a lot. I definitely recall some games from Round 1 were Taeja was sent out on Bifrost.
I would love to see MKP play on Bifrost, and the ballsy builds he can come up with.
He seems to like the different maps. Like Icarus
Until everyone inevitably also figures out the maps, and then it becomes much harder for him. Sounds like MKP's TvZ.
He's pretty good at wonky situations.
Has MKP v Fantasy before? Preferably in a BO3 or BO5. That would be epic.
Personally, I think it would be laughably one-sided. In my opinion, Fantasy is the Carmelo Anthony of SC2.
Don't follow American sports that much to know who Mr. Anthony is. Is it similar to being the Andy Murray of SC2?
I don't believe so. Murray's good, but just loses. Anthony's massively overrated, and everyone's surprised when he loses.
Oh yeah, SC2. I was thinking about BW for a moment. To me, Fantasy is the Andy Murray of BW. So much talent, so much promise, but always fall short at being champion (especially the last OSL with a near perfect run before falling to Jangbi - again). What's that term again? Oh yes, konjwa.
So Bisu is the ____ of SC2?
You want a tennis player? Uh, how about someone who's not very good? I'm not well versed in not very good tennis players.
On February 16 2013 14:16 ThisWillBEz wrote: Build order loss
What? what part of this was a BO loss?
Going mutas after the pheonixs basically made it that way. Once he has upwards of 5 it is time to get the infestors. unless u can hide the mutas for a very large ball which is very hard with pheonixs scouting around. I think JD planned on going mutas and was going to do it regardless of what herO was doing
and how the fuck is that a BO loss.just cause he is doing a stupid decision.
On February 16 2013 14:16 ThisWillBEz wrote: Build order loss
What? what part of this was a BO loss?
Going mutas after the pheonixs basically made it that way. Once he has upwards of 5 it is time to get the infestors. unless u can hide the mutas for a very large ball which is very hard with pheonixs scouting around. I think JD planned on going mutas and was going to do it regardless of what herO was doing
Yes I agree with this. JD looked extremely one-dimensional, he just didn't have a plan B at all.
I would love to see MKP play on Bifrost, and the ballsy builds he can come up with.
He seems to like the different maps. Like Icarus
Until everyone inevitably also figures out the maps, and then it becomes much harder for him. Sounds like MKP's TvZ.
He's pretty good at wonky situations.
Has MKP v Fantasy before? Preferably in a BO3 or BO5. That would be epic.
Personally, I think it would be laughably one-sided. In my opinion, Fantasy is the Carmelo Anthony of SC2.
Don't follow American sports that much to know who Mr. Anthony is. Is it similar to being the Andy Murray of SC2?
I don't believe so. Murray's good, but just loses. Anthony's massively overrated, and everyone's surprised when he loses.
Oh yeah, SC2. I was thinking about BW for a moment. To me, Fantasy is the Andy Murray of BW. So much talent, so much promise, but always fall short at being champion (especially the last OSL with a near perfect run before falling to Jangbi - again). What's that term again? Oh yes, konjwa.
So Bisu is the ____ of SC2?
Kournikova?
My first thought as well, but I though she won a major. Just Wiki'd her, and it turns out she didn't. That combined with her looks makes the perfect analogy.
On February 16 2013 14:22 FeyFey wrote: EG TL is always so unlucky. Wonder if they lack the training for the maps. But Akilon Flats really seemed to be designed for Stephano.
Unlucky? You cant have watched the games today, Revival lost all his overlords due to Phoenixes and his response was to keep droning.. Well played
Hero forgot Warp gate and therefore delayed his all-in way too long
Taeja just made tons of mistakes, the factory move was just wow and moving his marines on the edge thing when he knows there are a ton of hellions on the map was also very WP.
Jaedong just fell apart from the Phoenixes and tried to counter it with Mutas.
Woah CJ must be laughing in their booth right now, not only are all of their encounters with EGTL a onesided stomp, but also how much these lackluster performances of TaeJa and HerO really play in their cards
I would love to see MKP play on Bifrost, and the ballsy builds he can come up with.
He seems to like the different maps. Like Icarus
Until everyone inevitably also figures out the maps, and then it becomes much harder for him. Sounds like MKP's TvZ.
He's pretty good at wonky situations.
Has MKP v Fantasy before? Preferably in a BO3 or BO5. That would be epic.
Personally, I think it would be laughably one-sided. In my opinion, Fantasy is the Carmelo Anthony of SC2.
Don't follow American sports that much to know who Mr. Anthony is. Is it similar to being the Andy Murray of SC2?
I don't believe so. Murray's good, but just loses. Anthony's massively overrated, and everyone's surprised when he loses.
Oh yeah, SC2. I was thinking about BW for a moment. To me, Fantasy is the Andy Murray of BW. So much talent, so much promise, but always fall short at being champion (especially the last OSL with a near perfect run before falling to Jangbi - again). What's that term again? Oh yes, konjwa.
On February 16 2013 14:16 ThisWillBEz wrote: Build order loss
What? what part of this was a BO loss?
Going mutas after the pheonixs basically made it that way. Once he has upwards of 5 it is time to get the infestors. unless u can hide the mutas for a very large ball which is very hard with pheonixs scouting around. I think JD planned on going mutas and was going to do it regardless of what herO was doing
BO loss implies some sort of blind decision in his build that caused him to lose. JD was operating on full information that Hero had gone stargate, and had plenty of time to alter his build. It was a decision error, not a BO loss.
I would love to see MKP play on Bifrost, and the ballsy builds he can come up with.
He seems to like the different maps. Like Icarus
Until everyone inevitably also figures out the maps, and then it becomes much harder for him. Sounds like MKP's TvZ.
He's pretty good at wonky situations.
Has MKP v Fantasy before? Preferably in a BO3 or BO5. That would be epic.
Personally, I think it would be laughably one-sided. In my opinion, Fantasy is the Carmelo Anthony of SC2.
Don't follow American sports that much to know who Mr. Anthony is. Is it similar to being the Andy Murray of SC2?
I don't believe so. Murray's good, but just loses. Anthony's massively overrated, and everyone's surprised when he loses.
Oh yeah, SC2. I was thinking about BW for a moment. To me, Fantasy is the Andy Murray of BW. So much talent, so much promise, but always fall short at being champion (especially the last OSL with a near perfect run before falling to Jangbi - again). What's that term again? Oh yes, konjwa.
So Bisu is the ____ of SC2?
Safin?
nah I believe Safin is one of, if not, the most skilled players in the world, definitely on par with RF. He just had his ego get the best out of him, 98% of the time
I've been super hard on EZ-TL's coach for some of his bad calls in the past, but when you send out Stephano, Taeja, HerO, Revival, and Jaedong and they get 1-4'd, as a coach you just throw up your hands.
EZ-TL will fall to dead last if STX Soul win their next match. This from a team with at least 6 members who've won major championships, and well over half a million in tournament prize winnings. It actually boggles the mind they could perform so abysmally.
PS: with his lonely win, Stephano is now tied for 2nd highest win rate in Proleague, 66.7% (for players that have played more than 1 game)
On February 16 2013 14:16 ThisWillBEz wrote: Build order loss
What? what part of this was a BO loss?
Going mutas after the pheonixs basically made it that way. Once he has upwards of 5 it is time to get the infestors. unless u can hide the mutas for a very large ball which is very hard with pheonixs scouting around. I think JD planned on going mutas and was going to do it regardless of what herO was doing
BO loss implies some sort of blind decision in his build that caused him to lose. JD was operating on full information that Hero had gone stargate, and had plenty of time to alter his build. It was a decision error, not a BO loss.
He is right, even I knew at that point that making more mutas was a bad idea. I don't know why JD decided to go with this units composition.
On February 16 2013 13:58 Shellshock1122 wrote: [quote] He seems to like the different maps. Like Icarus
Until everyone inevitably also figures out the maps, and then it becomes much harder for him. Sounds like MKP's TvZ.
He's pretty good at wonky situations.
Has MKP v Fantasy before? Preferably in a BO3 or BO5. That would be epic.
Personally, I think it would be laughably one-sided. In my opinion, Fantasy is the Carmelo Anthony of SC2.
Don't follow American sports that much to know who Mr. Anthony is. Is it similar to being the Andy Murray of SC2?
I don't believe so. Murray's good, but just loses. Anthony's massively overrated, and everyone's surprised when he loses.
Oh yeah, SC2. I was thinking about BW for a moment. To me, Fantasy is the Andy Murray of BW. So much talent, so much promise, but always fall short at being champion (especially the last OSL with a near perfect run before falling to Jangbi - again). What's that term again? Oh yes, konjwa.
So Bisu is the ____ of SC2?
Safin?
nah I believe Safin is one of, if not, the most skilled players in the world, definitely on par with RF. He just had his ego get the best out of him, 98% of the time
lol. The EGTL Koreans went full foreigner today. lmao. Stephano was the only one to take a game. I know I can't be the only one to find that hilarious.
On February 16 2013 14:30 Havik_ wrote: lol. The EGTL Koreans went full USA today. lmao. Stephano from Europe was the only one to take a game. I know I'am the only one to find that hilarious.
On January 13 2013 04:32 T.O.P wrote: EG-Tl overrated man. Well gl hf gg.
Darn it haha you got me. I am truly sorry. I said that EG-TL is overrated because i'm a fan of them and going in to the PL I thought EG-TL will be number one. They have been playing Starcraft 2 longer then the Kespa players/teams. I am manly enough to say that I am sorry. It won't happen again. Muhahahahah Hi Boxer,Nada,Flash.
Darn it haha you got me. I am truly sorry. I said that EG-TL is overrated because i'm a fan of them and going in to the PL I thought EG-TL will be number one. They have been playing Starcraft 2 longer then the Kespa players/teams. I am manly enough to say that I am sorry. It won't happen again. Muhahahahah Hi Boxer,Nada,Flash.
Its only going to get worse once foreign tournaments start kicking up again, and Taeja, Hero start flying across the globe in between proleague matches.
On February 16 2013 14:50 HotGlueGun wrote: Its only going to get worse once foreign tournaments start kicking up again, and Taeja, Hero start flying across the globe in between proleague matches.
Ace players from other teams will probably fly all over the world also. Such as Parting, herO, Flash, etc.
Now, with Taeja back in Proleague and back in form, there are no more excuses. The best of EG-TL has assembled and with a lineup of TaeJa/HerO/Stephano/Jaedong/JYP/(Revival/Puma), we can no longer blame the coach if they lose.
On February 16 2013 14:50 HotGlueGun wrote: Its only going to get worse once foreign tournaments start kicking up again, and Taeja, Hero start flying across the globe in between proleague matches.
Ace players from other teams will probably fly all over the world also. Such as Parting, herO, Flash, etc.
I don't think they will fly as much as the EG TL players. Kespa teams have PL as their prime focus. They will likely only go to MLGs (PartinG will go to IEM WC since he qualified already).
EGTL - Sad but ok, its still a foreigner Team "lol". Lets hope they can get their shit together, but a poor performance still.
Casters - I dont believe anymore what they are talking. If their "I heared what stephano says and I will tell the audiance" is that...they just talk bullshit too if they translate Korean questions & answer. Will just keep muting them now after the Games too. Just no reason to listen to their fantasy.
On February 16 2013 14:50 HotGlueGun wrote: Its only going to get worse once foreign tournaments start kicking up again, and Taeja, Hero start flying across the globe in between proleague matches.
Ace players from other teams will probably fly all over the world also. Such as Parting, herO, Flash, etc.
I don't think they will fly as much as the EG TL players. Kespa teams have PL as their prime focus. They will likely only go to MLGs (PartinG will go to IEM WC since he qualified already).
Uh... In parting's contract, it states that parting is free to fly in foreign tournaments.
On February 16 2013 17:21 Lasbike wrote: How the hell can Stephano be the only one to win a game... In a ZvZ..
Other teams field 4 foreigners and 1 korean and the korean is the only one to win. EG-TL fields 4 koreans and 1 foreigner and the foreigner is the only one to win.
On February 16 2013 14:29 Evil_Sheep wrote: I've been super hard on EZ-TL's coach for some of his bad calls in the past, but when you send out Stephano, Taeja, HerO, Revival, and Jaedong and they get 1-4'd, as a coach you just throw up your hands.
EZ-TL will fall to dead last if STX Soul win their next match. This from a team with at least 6 members who've won major championships, and well over half a million in tournament prize winnings. It actually boggles the mind they could perform so abysmally.
PS: with his lonely win, Stephano is now tied for 2nd highest win rate in Proleague, 66.7% (for players that have played more than 1 game)
On February 16 2013 14:29 Evil_Sheep wrote: I've been super hard on EZ-TL's coach for some of his bad calls in the past, but when you send out Stephano, Taeja, HerO, Revival, and Jaedong and they get 1-4'd, as a coach you just throw up your hands.
EZ-TL will fall to dead last if STX Soul win their next match. This from a team with at least 6 members who've won major championships, and well over half a million in tournament prize winnings. It actually boggles the mind they could perform so abysmally.
PS: with his lonely win, Stephano is now tied for 2nd highest win rate in Proleague, 66.7% (for players that have played more than 1 game)
They are like england's football team
They're like IM in GSTL to be honest.
Great players, but I don't think they're having a good time with the team format. :S
On February 16 2013 14:29 Evil_Sheep wrote: I've been super hard on EZ-TL's coach for some of his bad calls in the past, but when you send out Stephano, Taeja, HerO, Revival, and Jaedong and they get 1-4'd, as a coach you just throw up your hands.
EZ-TL will fall to dead last if STX Soul win their next match. This from a team with at least 6 members who've won major championships, and well over half a million in tournament prize winnings. It actually boggles the mind they could perform so abysmally.
PS: with his lonely win, Stephano is now tied for 2nd highest win rate in Proleague, 66.7% (for players that have played more than 1 game)
They are like england's football team
They're like IM in GSTL to be honest.
Great players, but I don't think they're having a good time with the team format. :S
Nah, the EGTL players are well known, but they aren't better at this point.
Happy that stephano won his game, but the games I saw (taeja and jd) were just sad. Taeja got a bit unlucky but floating the factory home like that where it easily could be spotted felt really... Meh.
On February 16 2013 14:50 HotGlueGun wrote: Its only going to get worse once foreign tournaments start kicking up again, and Taeja, Hero start flying across the globe in between proleague matches.
Ace players from other teams will probably fly all over the world also. Such as Parting, herO, Flash, etc.
I don't think they will fly as much as the EG TL players. Kespa teams have PL as their prime focus. They will likely only go to MLGs (PartinG will go to IEM WC since he qualified already).
Uh... In parting's contract, it states that parting is free to fly in foreign tournaments.
yes so? free to play in foreign tournaments doesnt mean he will play many of them.
On February 16 2013 14:50 HotGlueGun wrote: Its only going to get worse once foreign tournaments start kicking up again, and Taeja, Hero start flying across the globe in between proleague matches.
Ace players from other teams will probably fly all over the world also. Such as Parting, herO, Flash, etc.
I don't think they will fly as much as the EG TL players. Kespa teams have PL as their prime focus. They will likely only go to MLGs (PartinG will go to IEM WC since he qualified already).
Uh... In parting's contract, it states that parting is free to fly in foreign tournaments.
yes so? free to play in foreign tournaments doesnt mean he will play many of them.
Kespa like any profit based organization primarily wants to make money. If they think the exposure players like parting gives to kespa by flying to foreign tournaments outweighs their use in proleague from a financial perspective then theyll fly him all over the world every week. Since exposure is very important in todays scene it would be surprising if they didnt send him to most of the big events, not just the mlgs. However I still think the EGTL aces will travel a bit more (and stephano wont stay in korea forever I assume).
Glad to see Stephano won. He has a pretty impressive record in ProLeague. Certainly doing his part for his team. Unfortunately the team as a whole did not deliver today.
On February 16 2013 14:29 Evil_Sheep wrote: I've been super hard on EZ-TL's coach for some of his bad calls in the past, but when you send out Stephano, Taeja, HerO, Revival, and Jaedong and they get 1-4'd, as a coach you just throw up your hands.
EZ-TL will fall to dead last if STX Soul win their next match. This from a team with at least 6 members who've won major championships, and well over half a million in tournament prize winnings. It actually boggles the mind they could perform so abysmally.
PS: with his lonely win, Stephano is now tied for 2nd highest win rate in Proleague, 66.7% (for players that have played more than 1 game)
They are like england's football team
They're like IM in GSTL to be honest.
Great players, but I don't think they're having a good time with the team format. :S
On February 16 2013 14:29 Evil_Sheep wrote: I've been super hard on EZ-TL's coach for some of his bad calls in the past, but when you send out Stephano, Taeja, HerO, Revival, and Jaedong and they get 1-4'd, as a coach you just throw up your hands.
EZ-TL will fall to dead last if STX Soul win their next match. This from a team with at least 6 members who've won major championships, and well over half a million in tournament prize winnings. It actually boggles the mind they could perform so abysmally.
PS: with his lonely win, Stephano is now tied for 2nd highest win rate in Proleague, 66.7% (for players that have played more than 1 game)
They are like england's football team
They're like IM in GSTL to be honest.
Great players, but I don't think they're having a good time with the team format. :S
Nah, the EGTL players are well known, but they aren't better at this point.
I agree. Even if some of them do still posess a small skill advantage over the average proleaguer, their attitude (or whatever it is), is costing them. But as time goes, Kespa practice regimen will make sure EG-TL is below average even skill wise IMO.
Wow... how could it end up completely the opposite of general expecations ? Like.. Stephano winning a ZvZ and HerO/Revival/JD/Taeja losing....
Sad for EG-TL, but at this point, I'm not quite expecting that much from this team... Each time I thought "right, they'll put a performance next round, they need a bit more preparation"...
On February 16 2013 14:29 Evil_Sheep wrote: I've been super hard on EZ-TL's coach for some of his bad calls in the past, but when you send out Stephano, Taeja, HerO, Revival, and Jaedong and they get 1-4'd, as a coach you just throw up your hands.
EZ-TL will fall to dead last if STX Soul win their next match. This from a team with at least 6 members who've won major championships, and well over half a million in tournament prize winnings. It actually boggles the mind they could perform so abysmally.
PS: with his lonely win, Stephano is now tied for 2nd highest win rate in Proleague, 66.7% (for players that have played more than 1 game)
They are like england's football team
Overpaid players who've covered themselves in glory elsewhere, but can't work as a team and are far less than the sum of their parts? Ya sounds pretty familiar.
Unlike England however, these guys haven't got carried by foreigners to their trophies, they've earned them on their own, which makes it all the more baffling.
On February 17 2013 01:54 Faranth wrote: Their preparation was simply below the level necessary to win the set.
Stephano vs. Effort felt like a standard ladder game - they played safe, normal strategies and Stephano simply outplayed Effort in the engagements and made a smoother transition into Brood Lord/Corruptor. I still think that Effort had some superior decisions and play, like scrapping drones for far more spine crawlers and a bigger army (Stephano had 8k minerals - unnecessary use of supply to collect more), and Effort had over double the larvae count for most of the game, showing better mechanics, but Stephano executed where it counted.
I thought Effort could've played better...he didn't press his advantage when he had the higher infestor count, instead he sat back while Stephano teched up into his infestor/BL. I thought it was a mistake for Effort to cut his drones so early, so Stephano just built up a huge bank while Effort had none. Even if they had destroyed each other's armies, Stephano could just remax while Effort had no cushion. As it was, Stephano got the better engagement and Effort had no chance. Stephano has a lot of holes in his zvz but infestor/BL macro is his comfort zone. I'm surprised Effort did not know that...
I stopped watching Taeja's game when he started to float the factory back to his base, literally directly across the path of the natural flow of skyHigh's army. Again, a sign of lackluster preparation. He would have been better off floating the factory INTO skyHigh's base for scouting, and it wouldn't have raised his opponent's suspicions nearly as much, as a floated proxy factory has been standardish at some points in the metagame for scouting purposes. How does the team not catch this flaw in the build?
I get the distinct feeling he didn't practise that build so much...or at all........
As I wrote in the preview thread:
"So you're Taeja. Your team is down 1-2, scraping the bottom of Proleague, and they're really counting on your win because you're probably their best player. You're making your grand comeback from injury against a terran on a 5-match losing streak and 0-4 in TvT's. You probably couldn't ask for a better opponent to ease your return to Proleague.
Do you:
a) Play a straight-up macro TvT and go for the safe win since you're one of the best terrans in the world right now b) Go for standard hellion/cloaked banshee harass c) Go for a high-risk, cheesy, weird proxy factory/starport for hellion/cloaked banshee harass
If you picked c) you are Liquid.Taeja. Unfortunately his opponent chose b), blundered into c), vaporized his hellions/banshee and then wiped out his SCV's with his own hellions/cloaked banshee (literally, there were like 10 SCV's left alive.)
Seriously...how are you supposed to make useful predictions about Proleague when this happens?"
On February 16 2013 14:29 Evil_Sheep wrote: I've been super hard on EZ-TL's coach for some of his bad calls in the past, but when you send out Stephano, Taeja, HerO, Revival, and Jaedong and they get 1-4'd, as a coach you just throw up your hands.
EZ-TL will fall to dead last if STX Soul win their next match. This from a team with at least 6 members who've won major championships, and well over half a million in tournament prize winnings. It actually boggles the mind they could perform so abysmally.
PS: with his lonely win, Stephano is now tied for 2nd highest win rate in Proleague, 66.7% (for players that have played more than 1 game)
They are like england's football team
Overpaid players who've covered themselves in glory elsewhere, but can't work as a team and are far less than the sum of their parts? Ya sounds pretty familiar.
Unlike England however, these guys haven't got carried by foreigners to their trophies, they've earned them on their own, which makes it all the more baffling.
They sorta have considering the tournaments theyve won :D
On February 16 2013 13:55 HotGlueGun wrote: [quote]
He has been sent out on Bifrost a lot. I definitely recall some games from Round 1 were Taeja was sent out on Bifrost.
I would love to see MKP play on Bifrost, and the ballsy builds he can come up with.
He seems to like the different maps. Like Icarus
Until everyone inevitably also figures out the maps, and then it becomes much harder for him. Sounds like MKP's TvZ.
He's pretty good at wonky situations.
Has MKP v Fantasy before? Preferably in a BO3 or BO5. That would be epic.
Personally, I think it would be laughably one-sided. In my opinion, Fantasy is the Carmelo Anthony of SC2.
Don't follow American sports that much to know who Mr. Anthony is. Is it similar to being the Andy Murray of SC2?
I don't believe so. Murray's good, but just loses. Anthony's massively overrated, and everyone's surprised when he loses.
Oh yeah, SC2. I was thinking about BW for a moment. To me, Fantasy is the Andy Murray of BW. So much talent, so much promise, but always fall short at being champion (especially the last OSL with a near perfect run before falling to Jangbi - again). What's that term again? Oh yes, konjwa.
So Bisu is the ____ of SC2?
Really? cause last time i checked Murray was the champion of the latest US Open and the Olympics
I would love to see MKP play on Bifrost, and the ballsy builds he can come up with.
He seems to like the different maps. Like Icarus
Until everyone inevitably also figures out the maps, and then it becomes much harder for him. Sounds like MKP's TvZ.
He's pretty good at wonky situations.
Has MKP v Fantasy before? Preferably in a BO3 or BO5. That would be epic.
Personally, I think it would be laughably one-sided. In my opinion, Fantasy is the Carmelo Anthony of SC2.
Don't follow American sports that much to know who Mr. Anthony is. Is it similar to being the Andy Murray of SC2?
I don't believe so. Murray's good, but just loses. Anthony's massively overrated, and everyone's surprised when he loses.
Oh yeah, SC2. I was thinking about BW for a moment. To me, Fantasy is the Andy Murray of BW. So much talent, so much promise, but always fall short at being champion (especially the last OSL with a near perfect run before falling to Jangbi - again). What's that term again? Oh yes, konjwa.
So Bisu is the ____ of SC2?
Really? cause last time i checked Murray was the champion of the latest US Open and the Olympics
Fantasy has OSL and multiple proleague championship also, just always gets dominated by the hottest player atm. Pretty similar to Andy.
On February 16 2013 13:58 Shellshock1122 wrote: [quote] He seems to like the different maps. Like Icarus
Until everyone inevitably also figures out the maps, and then it becomes much harder for him. Sounds like MKP's TvZ.
He's pretty good at wonky situations.
Has MKP v Fantasy before? Preferably in a BO3 or BO5. That would be epic.
Personally, I think it would be laughably one-sided. In my opinion, Fantasy is the Carmelo Anthony of SC2.
Don't follow American sports that much to know who Mr. Anthony is. Is it similar to being the Andy Murray of SC2?
I don't believe so. Murray's good, but just loses. Anthony's massively overrated, and everyone's surprised when he loses.
Oh yeah, SC2. I was thinking about BW for a moment. To me, Fantasy is the Andy Murray of BW. So much talent, so much promise, but always fall short at being champion (especially the last OSL with a near perfect run before falling to Jangbi - again). What's that term again? Oh yes, konjwa.
So Bisu is the ____ of SC2?
Really? cause last time i checked Murray was the champion of the latest US Open and the Olympics
Fantasy has OSL and multiple proleague championship also, just always gets dominated by the hottest player atm. Pretty similar to Andy.
Oh ok. I didnt know that, I havent followed BW. Only reacted on the Murray part.
I would love to see MKP play on Bifrost, and the ballsy builds he can come up with.
He seems to like the different maps. Like Icarus
Until everyone inevitably also figures out the maps, and then it becomes much harder for him. Sounds like MKP's TvZ.
He's pretty good at wonky situations.
Has MKP v Fantasy before? Preferably in a BO3 or BO5. That would be epic.
Personally, I think it would be laughably one-sided. In my opinion, Fantasy is the Carmelo Anthony of SC2.
Don't follow American sports that much to know who Mr. Anthony is. Is it similar to being the Andy Murray of SC2?
I don't believe so. Murray's good, but just loses. Anthony's massively overrated, and everyone's surprised when he loses.
Oh yeah, SC2. I was thinking about BW for a moment. To me, Fantasy is the Andy Murray of BW. So much talent, so much promise, but always fall short at being champion (especially the last OSL with a near perfect run before falling to Jangbi - again). What's that term again? Oh yes, konjwa.
So Bisu is the ____ of SC2?
Really? cause last time i checked Murray was the champion of the latest US Open and the Olympics
Doesn't matter, because he'll always be a kong at heart. Murray went straight back to being 2nd best in the 2013 Australian Open. He might've overcome his silver-streak twice last year, but his default mode is always 'not quite enough'.
Seems like EG-TL's time is over. They had their chance at the beginning of the season when the Kespa players were still learning the game But questionable coach decisions made them throw too many series
Right now, the premises are different. Anybody who followed BW knows how absurdly good these Kespa players are and as we can see they keep getting better and better. EG-TL finally brought their very best lineup but still lost in a convincing fashion.
They can still win series in my opinion, but the chances of winning keep getting lower due to the improvements that Kespa players are making
On February 17 2013 19:33 MapleLeafSirup wrote: Seems like EG-TL's time is over. They had their chance at the beginning of the season when the Kespa players were still learning the game But questionable coach decisions made them throw too many series
Right now, the premises are different. Anybody who followed BW knows how absurdly good these Kespa players are and as we can see they keep getting better and better. EG-TL finally brought their very best lineup but still lost in a convincing fashion.
They can still win series in my opinion, but the chances of winning keep getting lower due to the improvements that Kespa players are making
All this talk about kespa dudes now learning the game and owning the rest is such a nonsense... both sides have all kind of players at all kinds of levels...
how hard is to understand that kespa players give priority to SPL above all and are simple better teams... They are more prepared to deal with the SPL kind of style, more prepared to fight in less orthodox ways and prepare themselves better against their opponents.
SPL is not so much about the individual strength of players but more about the study of the opponents and the preparation for these combats... Even a C player can beat an A player if he studies well his opponent and prepares the correct way...
EG-TL aren't a real team yet and they are lacking preparation and the focus on this... Hopefully they will pull themselves together and show their real strengths...
So on twitch when you click more videos it never works like it did before. That happen for anyone else? I tried a couple browsers so it must be twitch server. So I cant see any of these games since they happened first and are older
On February 17 2013 19:33 MapleLeafSirup wrote: Seems like EG-TL's time is over. They had their chance at the beginning of the season when the Kespa players were still learning the game But questionable coach decisions made them throw too many series
Right now, the premises are different. Anybody who followed BW knows how absurdly good these Kespa players are and as we can see they keep getting better and better. EG-TL finally brought their very best lineup but still lost in a convincing fashion.
They can still win series in my opinion, but the chances of winning keep getting lower due to the improvements that Kespa players are making
All this talk about kespa dudes now learning the game and owning the rest is such a nonsense... both sides have all kind of players at all kinds of levels...
how hard is to understand that kespa players give priority to SPL above all and are simple better teams... They are more prepared to deal with the SPL kind of style, more prepared to fight in less orthodox ways and prepare themselves better against their opponents.
SPL is not so much about the individual strength of players but more about the study of the opponents and the preparation for these combats... Even a C player can beat an A player if he studies well his opponent and prepares the correct way...
EG-TL aren't a real team yet and they are lacking preparation and the focus on this... Hopefully they will pull themselves together and show their real strengths...
Bad excuse imo. (Even though there probably is a substantial difference in how much the kespa teams and EG TL value PL.) How do you account for the fact that Jaedong (3 osls, 2 msls), Flash (3 osls, 3 msls) and Bisu (3 msls) are also the best PL players of all time?
On February 17 2013 01:54 Faranth wrote: Their preparation was simply below the level necessary to win the set.
Stephano vs. Effort felt like a standard ladder game - they played safe, normal strategies and Stephano simply outplayed Effort in the engagements and made a smoother transition into Brood Lord/Corruptor. I still think that Effort had some superior decisions and play, like scrapping drones for far more spine crawlers and a bigger army (Stephano had 8k minerals - unnecessary use of supply to collect more), and Effort had over double the larvae count for most of the game, showing better mechanics, but Stephano executed where it counted.
I thought Effort could've played better...he didn't press his advantage when he had the higher infestor count, instead he sat back while Stephano teched up into his infestor/BL. I thought it was a mistake for Effort to cut his drones so early, so Stephano just built up a huge bank while Effort had none. Even if they had destroyed each other's armies, Stephano could just remax while Effort had no cushion. As it was, Stephano got the better engagement and Effort had no chance. Stephano has a lot of holes in his zvz but infestor/BL macro is his comfort zone. I'm surprised Effort did not know that...
I stopped watching Taeja's game when he started to float the factory back to his base, literally directly across the path of the natural flow of skyHigh's army. Again, a sign of lackluster preparation. He would have been better off floating the factory INTO skyHigh's base for scouting, and it wouldn't have raised his opponent's suspicions nearly as much, as a floated proxy factory has been standardish at some points in the metagame for scouting purposes. How does the team not catch this flaw in the build?
I get the distinct feeling he didn't practise that build so much...or at all........
As I wrote in the preview thread:
"So you're Taeja. Your team is down 1-2, scraping the bottom of Proleague, and they're really counting on your win because you're probably their best player. You're making your grand comeback from injury against a terran on a 5-match losing streak and 0-4 in TvT's. You probably couldn't ask for a better opponent to ease your return to Proleague.
Do you:
a) Play a straight-up macro TvT and go for the safe win since you're one of the best terrans in the world right now b) Go for standard hellion/cloaked banshee harass c) Go for a high-risk, cheesy, weird proxy factory/starport for hellion/cloaked banshee harass
If you picked c) you are Liquid.Taeja. Unfortunately his opponent chose b), blundered into c), vaporized his hellions/banshee and then wiped out his SCV's with his own hellions/cloaked banshee (literally, there were like 10 SCV's left alive.)
Seriously...how are you supposed to make useful predictions about Proleague when this happens?"
The two bolded statements speak for themselves. Taeja knows more then you do, therefore chose a build that he was comfortable with. Unfortunately for him and the EG-TL fans, Taejas build was scouted and he was punished hard for it. Also to the person stating that it was Taejas "lifted moving factory" that caused him to lose. It wasn't Taeja's factory, it was the direction his SCV came from which resulted in SkyHighs decision to search the top. Another thing to keep in mind was the SkyHigh was already preparing for early banshee harass well before he scouted the Starport, and was most likely saving scans because he's familiar with the time the cloaked banshee harass should hit.
On February 17 2013 19:33 MapleLeafSirup wrote: Seems like EG-TL's time is over. They had their chance at the beginning of the season when the Kespa players were still learning the game But questionable coach decisions made them throw too many series
Right now, the premises are different. Anybody who followed BW knows how absurdly good these Kespa players are and as we can see they keep getting better and better. EG-TL finally brought their very best lineup but still lost in a convincing fashion.
They can still win series in my opinion, but the chances of winning keep getting lower due to the improvements that Kespa players are making
All this talk about kespa dudes now learning the game and owning the rest is such a nonsense... both sides have all kind of players at all kinds of levels...
how hard is to understand that kespa players give priority to SPL above all and are simple better teams... They are more prepared to deal with the SPL kind of style, more prepared to fight in less orthodox ways and prepare themselves better against their opponents.
SPL is not so much about the individual strength of players but more about the study of the opponents and the preparation for these combats... Even a C player can beat an A player if he studies well his opponent and prepares the correct way...
EG-TL aren't a real team yet and they are lacking preparation and the focus on this... Hopefully they will pull themselves together and show their real strengths...
Yeah, that's why there are more KeSPA players in GSL Ro8 than esf players right now, when most of the mid tier players still need time to climb the GSL ladder to show their skills. If they really care about GSL, where do esf guys go?
On February 16 2013 03:46 Azriel wrote: No Puma? WTF is this?
They needed Puma as the token Terran when Taeja was out, but now that Taeja is back, Puma isn't necessary anymore.
He was being sarcastic lol because Puma was usually fielded and was always a "free win". So, he's like "No Puma"? "WTF is this?" as in the coach is actually making better decisions.
It feels like the issue here is either coaching problems or a lack of focus on Proleague. The KeSPA players are really strong, but EG/TL's roster should be strong enough to consistently win games. Taeja, Stephano, Jaedong, and HerO can all compete on this level, but seem to be underperforming. Either the coach isn't preparing them properly for the matches they're supposed to have, or he's choosing bad matchups for his players.
The other option is they aren't really focused on Proleague due to HoTS coming out, lots of international tournaments, and GSL. Now I understand that's important for these two teams, but then why sign up for Proleague if you aren't going to put the focus on it these KeSPA teams do? It's great for exposure and all, but if EG/TL doesn't bring the same level of preparation to these games as the other KeSPA teams they're going to get blown away more and more.
tl;dr: This team should be strong enough to compete, either the coaching's bad, or the players aren't putting the necessary time in to properly compete with KeSPA teams.
On February 18 2013 10:50 Swords wrote: It feels like the issue here is either coaching problems or a lack of focus on Proleague. The KeSPA players are really strong, but EG/TL's roster should be strong enough to consistently win games. Taeja, Stephano, Jaedong, and HerO can all compete on this level, but seem to be underperforming. Either the coach isn't preparing them properly for the matches they're supposed to have, or he's choosing bad matchups for his players.
The other option is they aren't really focused on Proleague due to HoTS coming out, lots of international tournaments, and GSL. Now I understand that's important for these two teams, but then why sign up for Proleague if you aren't going to put the focus on it these KeSPA teams do? It's great for exposure and all, but if EG/TL doesn't bring the same level of preparation to these games as the other KeSPA teams they're going to get blown away more and more.
tl;dr: This team should be strong enough to compete, either the coaching's bad, or the players aren't putting the necessary time in to properly compete with KeSPA teams.
Or they're just getting outplayed, even though they're preparing properly. Keep in mind that EG-TL has over two+ years of experience on the Kespa players. There should be no excuse for their losses, so please stop making them for EG-TL. I can understand EG-TL losing matches if they were traveling from country to country, competing in many different tournaments, and arriving in Korea jet-lagged for their pro league match. However, their last loss (with their best line up) had nothing to do with such. I am sure that EG-TL prepared properly. These are televised matches, which means that this is the most important way to gain exposure to not only Kespa teams, but sponsors and fans as well. There's nothing more prestigious to Koreans pro gamers than pro league and the OSL. Although a vast majority of foreigners see the GSL as the most prestigious because they didn't grow up with the 12 years of OSL and Pro League that the Koreans did on Brood War. Also, keep in mind that the coaches don't manually pick what match up they want their player to play. The coaches choose what player will play on what map. I am sure that the players tell the coach what map they want to play on for their match. So, the match ups are random. HotS isn't a good excuse either because I've heard that the Kespa players are also concurrently practicing both games as well. The hard part to swallow for most fans is that most (if not all) the players on EG-TL have reached their skill cap whereas the Kespa players will only get better. HotS may give EG-TL a new light to exceed their current skill cap but until then...(hopefully not) for the sake of EG-TL fans, will these slaughters continue.
On February 18 2013 10:50 Swords wrote: It feels like the issue here is either coaching problems or a lack of focus on Proleague. The KeSPA players are really strong, but EG/TL's roster should be strong enough to consistently win games. Taeja, Stephano, Jaedong, and HerO can all compete on this level, but seem to be underperforming. Either the coach isn't preparing them properly for the matches they're supposed to have, or he's choosing bad matchups for his players.
The other option is they aren't really focused on Proleague due to HoTS coming out, lots of international tournaments, and GSL. Now I understand that's important for these two teams, but then why sign up for Proleague if you aren't going to put the focus on it these KeSPA teams do? It's great for exposure and all, but if EG/TL doesn't bring the same level of preparation to these games as the other KeSPA teams they're going to get blown away more and more.
tl;dr: This team should be strong enough to compete, either the coaching's bad, or the players aren't putting the necessary time in to properly compete with KeSPA teams.
Or they're just getting outplayed, even though they're preparing properly. Keep in mind that EG-TL has over two+ years of experience on the Kespa players. There should be no excuse for their losses, so please stop making them for EG-TL. I can understand EG-TL losing matches if they were traveling from country to country, competing in many different tournaments, and arriving in Korea jet-lagged for their pro league match. However, their last loss (with their best line up) had nothing to do with such. I am sure that EG-TL prepared properly. These are televised matches, which means that this is the most important way to gain exposure to not only Kespa teams, but sponsors and fans as well. There's nothing more prestigious to Koreans pro gamers than pro league and the OSL. Although a vast majority of foreigners see the GSL as the most prestigious because they didn't grow up with the 12 years of OSL and Pro League that the Koreans did on Brood War. Also, keep in mind that the coaches don't manually pick what match up they want their player to play. The coaches choose what player will play on what map. I am sure that the players tell the coach what map they want to play on for their match. So, the match ups are random. HotS isn't a good excuse either because I've heard that the Kespa players are also concurrently practicing both games as well. The hard part to swallow for most fans is that most (if not all) the players on EG-TL have reached their skill cap whereas the Kespa players will only get better. HotS may give EG-TL a new light to exceed their current skill cap but until then...(hopefully not) for the sake of EG-TL fans, will these slaughters continue.
The matchups aren't random. They are based on the map and the skillset of the players involved. As you alluded to. So the truth is somewhere in between these two posts.
Also, when Team 8 was formed it was called a dream team and expected to do extremely well. Very few people stepped back and realized that these were players with very low morale who hadn't been practicing for months and were just thrown together. They had years of Proleague experience and still had a hard time winning matches.
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If only those were reversed!
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