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Inzan1ty
Profile Joined September 2012
1163 Posts
February 17 2013 20:33 GMT
#621
Can someone create thread for EGTL vs WJS ?

Looking at those matchups, I expect another disappointing day
RIP Seung Hyun 'Space' Park † 6/5/2013 - Undead hero and eSports rolemodel
BlazeFury01
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States1460 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-17 20:43:09
February 17 2013 20:42 GMT
#622
On February 18 2013 05:25 Bagration wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 16 2013 03:46 Azriel wrote:
No Puma? WTF is this?


They needed Puma as the token Terran when Taeja was out, but now that Taeja is back, Puma isn't necessary anymore.


He was being sarcastic lol because Puma was usually fielded and was always a "free win". So, he's like "No Puma"? "WTF is this?" as in the coach is actually making better decisions.
Swords
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
6038 Posts
February 18 2013 01:50 GMT
#623
It feels like the issue here is either coaching problems or a lack of focus on Proleague. The KeSPA players are really strong, but EG/TL's roster should be strong enough to consistently win games. Taeja, Stephano, Jaedong, and HerO can all compete on this level, but seem to be underperforming. Either the coach isn't preparing them properly for the matches they're supposed to have, or he's choosing bad matchups for his players.

The other option is they aren't really focused on Proleague due to HoTS coming out, lots of international tournaments, and GSL. Now I understand that's important for these two teams, but then why sign up for Proleague if you aren't going to put the focus on it these KeSPA teams do? It's great for exposure and all, but if EG/TL doesn't bring the same level of preparation to these games as the other KeSPA teams they're going to get blown away more and more.

tl;dr: This team should be strong enough to compete, either the coaching's bad, or the players aren't putting the necessary time in to properly compete with KeSPA teams.
Inzan1ty
Profile Joined September 2012
1163 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-18 02:28:18
February 18 2013 02:27 GMT
#624
LR thread guys.... ?

3 hours left ...

epic games like Stephano vs Soulkey or HerO vs sHy incoming :D
RIP Seung Hyun 'Space' Park † 6/5/2013 - Undead hero and eSports rolemodel
BlazeFury01
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States1460 Posts
February 18 2013 03:22 GMT
#625
On February 18 2013 10:50 Swords wrote:
It feels like the issue here is either coaching problems or a lack of focus on Proleague. The KeSPA players are really strong, but EG/TL's roster should be strong enough to consistently win games. Taeja, Stephano, Jaedong, and HerO can all compete on this level, but seem to be underperforming. Either the coach isn't preparing them properly for the matches they're supposed to have, or he's choosing bad matchups for his players.

The other option is they aren't really focused on Proleague due to HoTS coming out, lots of international tournaments, and GSL. Now I understand that's important for these two teams, but then why sign up for Proleague if you aren't going to put the focus on it these KeSPA teams do? It's great for exposure and all, but if EG/TL doesn't bring the same level of preparation to these games as the other KeSPA teams they're going to get blown away more and more.

tl;dr: This team should be strong enough to compete, either the coaching's bad, or the players aren't putting the necessary time in to properly compete with KeSPA teams.


Or they're just getting outplayed, even though they're preparing properly. Keep in mind that EG-TL has over two+ years of experience on the Kespa players. There should be no excuse for their losses, so please stop making them for EG-TL. I can understand EG-TL losing matches if they were traveling from country to country, competing in many different tournaments, and arriving in Korea jet-lagged for their pro league match. However, their last loss (with their best line up) had nothing to do with such. I am sure that EG-TL prepared properly. These are televised matches, which means that this is the most important way to gain exposure to not only Kespa teams, but sponsors and fans as well. There's nothing more prestigious to Koreans pro gamers than pro league and the OSL. Although a vast majority of foreigners see the GSL as the most prestigious because they didn't grow up with the 12 years of OSL and Pro League that the Koreans did on Brood War. Also, keep in mind that the coaches don't manually pick what match up they want their player to play. The coaches choose what player will play on what map. I am sure that the players tell the coach what map they want to play on for their match. So, the match ups are random. HotS isn't a good excuse either because I've heard that the Kespa players are also concurrently practicing both games as well. The hard part to swallow for most fans is that most (if not all) the players on EG-TL have reached their skill cap whereas the Kespa players will only get better. HotS may give EG-TL a new light to exceed their current skill cap but until then...(hopefully not) for the sake of EG-TL fans, will these slaughters continue.
Devise
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada1131 Posts
February 18 2013 04:21 GMT
#626
Is there any way to watch the vods in english? http://www.youtube.com/user/ESportsTV/videos?view=0 is korean stream
Mysticesper
Profile Joined January 2011
United States1183 Posts
February 18 2013 04:26 GMT
#627
you pay the 5 bucks on twitch.
lolmlg
Profile Joined November 2011
619 Posts
February 18 2013 12:55 GMT
#628
On February 18 2013 12:22 BlazeFury01 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 18 2013 10:50 Swords wrote:
It feels like the issue here is either coaching problems or a lack of focus on Proleague. The KeSPA players are really strong, but EG/TL's roster should be strong enough to consistently win games. Taeja, Stephano, Jaedong, and HerO can all compete on this level, but seem to be underperforming. Either the coach isn't preparing them properly for the matches they're supposed to have, or he's choosing bad matchups for his players.

The other option is they aren't really focused on Proleague due to HoTS coming out, lots of international tournaments, and GSL. Now I understand that's important for these two teams, but then why sign up for Proleague if you aren't going to put the focus on it these KeSPA teams do? It's great for exposure and all, but if EG/TL doesn't bring the same level of preparation to these games as the other KeSPA teams they're going to get blown away more and more.

tl;dr: This team should be strong enough to compete, either the coaching's bad, or the players aren't putting the necessary time in to properly compete with KeSPA teams.


Or they're just getting outplayed, even though they're preparing properly. Keep in mind that EG-TL has over two+ years of experience on the Kespa players. There should be no excuse for their losses, so please stop making them for EG-TL. I can understand EG-TL losing matches if they were traveling from country to country, competing in many different tournaments, and arriving in Korea jet-lagged for their pro league match. However, their last loss (with their best line up) had nothing to do with such. I am sure that EG-TL prepared properly. These are televised matches, which means that this is the most important way to gain exposure to not only Kespa teams, but sponsors and fans as well. There's nothing more prestigious to Koreans pro gamers than pro league and the OSL. Although a vast majority of foreigners see the GSL as the most prestigious because they didn't grow up with the 12 years of OSL and Pro League that the Koreans did on Brood War. Also, keep in mind that the coaches don't manually pick what match up they want their player to play. The coaches choose what player will play on what map. I am sure that the players tell the coach what map they want to play on for their match. So, the match ups are random. HotS isn't a good excuse either because I've heard that the Kespa players are also concurrently practicing both games as well. The hard part to swallow for most fans is that most (if not all) the players on EG-TL have reached their skill cap whereas the Kespa players will only get better. HotS may give EG-TL a new light to exceed their current skill cap but until then...(hopefully not) for the sake of EG-TL fans, will these slaughters continue.

The matchups aren't random. They are based on the map and the skillset of the players involved. As you alluded to. So the truth is somewhere in between these two posts.

Also, when Team 8 was formed it was called a dream team and expected to do extremely well. Very few people stepped back and realized that these were players with very low morale who hadn't been practicing for months and were just thrown together. They had years of Proleague experience and still had a hard time winning matches.
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