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Canada1637 Posts
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/The_GD_Studio_HotS_King_of_the_Hill_Series
With the Heart of the Swarm release around the corner we at The GD Studio have wanted to get our hands wet with some Heart of the Swarm for a while now, but as everyone is aware, the game is still rather volatile at its current state as its still being tweaked and the pros are still working to figure out the ins and outs of the new units and maps.
Finally, we are Happy to announce our $2000 Heart of the Swarm KOTH show match series. Of course KOTH stands for King of the Hill, always a fun format, We have decided to take it a step further, and utilize a BO3 format. As previously mentioned HOTS is volatile enough, and we wanted to use a format that would be rewarding for both players, and viewers. With $125 being awarded per BO3 win ($500 given out per night) and the opportunity to adjust and learn from your opponent in a BO3 series as opposed to the traditional BO1 KOTH style, this format should provide some very entertaining and educational games for the viewers.
Broadcast live as Always from our studio in Stockholm Sweden, Apollo will be the primary commentator assisted by Adebisi to look at the ins and outs of all games being played, aiming more to use the games to learn about what we can expect in the future months once HotS is released as the game becomes more refined and a stable meta-game is found.
Broadcast Dates
19:00 GMT (+00:00) Sunday February 17th
18:00 GMT (+00:00) Thursday February 21st
18:00 GMT (+00:00) Sunday February 24th
18:00 GMT (+00:00) Thursday February 28th
Format:
King of the Hill style using BO3, 4 BO3 per night
5 invited players for the initial broadcast, 4 new players each night
Winner stays on, earn $125 per BO3 won
Winner at end of night invited back
$500 awarded per night, $2000 for the series
Map pool: Akilon Wastes, Star Station, WCS Cloud Kingdom and Newkirk City (no repeats)
Map ruleset: Initial map is Akilon Wastes, challenger/loser picks
Prize Pool:
$2000 total prize pool, $500 per night and $125 per win
Commentary
Apollo with assistance and observing by Adebisi
Current King
+ Show Spoiler +
Best Streak
+ Show Spoiler + HyuN with 5 wins in a row before falling to  Polt
More players will be announced as broadcast dates draw closer, if your favourite player has been grinding a lot of Heart of the Swarm feel free to suggest them Here.
+ Show Spoiler [Confirmed Players for Later Dates] +
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Should be interesting to watch.
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Oh yeaaaaaaah, this will be good  . Also sick timing with Apollo's stream guys!
I would like to suggest Heromarine and HasuObs for the future, both are among the highest ranked foreigners in hots and play it a lot!
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At first one might feel it's unfair because Demuslim will have an easier time to qualify for next day, but remember that it pays for each match so it doesn't really matter!
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Too bad it's at the same time as NASL's Pulse.
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Get Dragon, Crank and Miya.
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You should put in AbomB. Intersting and special Games guaranteed!
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Canada1637 Posts
On February 15 2013 02:21 jnd wrote:
Too bad it's at the same time as NASL's Pulse.
There's no The Pulse this week because of CSL, next week time might be slightly different (2 hours earlier maybe), not sure would like to avoid overlapping of course but they changed their time slot recently.
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This gonna be really cool. DeMusliM for the win!
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USA29055 Posts
GO BEN!!!!!!!
Awesome thing to put on adebisi and apollo <3
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The stupid viking makes another cameo ;o
This is gonna be sick to watch! Can't wait :D
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Just looked under confirmed players for later shows and saw Polt! This is something I need to turn into, has great casters and great players
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Looking forward to this
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Great intro actually.
Go TLO !
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nice! looking forward to it.
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I would like to nominate WW.MorroW, if he is interested!
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That intro man...
Go Grubby!
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Dragon and Whitera would be great....
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That's a sick video, can't wait
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This Sunday night should be a good one
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Dragon, WhiteRa, and MorroW!
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Try to get Ragnarok if you can.
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Honestly I got my money on Babyknight, he might seem like the under dog. He has been playing the most Hots it would seem and doing great in the show matches for MLG.
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I think it would be awesome if you had a battle ukrain night...with White-ra, Dimaga, Kas, and Strelok
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Cool stuff. Will try to tune in.
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get Socke and HasuObs pls!
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This is looks nice! Looking forward to this.
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can't watch it, twitch is so laggy today :[
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On February 18 2013 04:22 Lukeeze[zR] wrote:
can't watch it, twitch is so laggy today :[
Indeed :/ Lagging like hell on any setting
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On February 18 2013 04:22 Lukeeze[zR] wrote:
can't watch it, twitch is so laggy today :[
For me, too, but it's only this stream. All others are working flawlessly =/
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Aw fuck, stream is unwatchable for me. 
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cant wait for azubu.tv cause this is unwatchable
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Terrible lag, unwatchable.
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So much lag.
That channel always had problems but with talk-shows you only really care for audio.
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Are they sure that it is adabisi observing?
So much jumping and jerky movements.
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This is just horrible to watch at all possible resolutions. Even by testing them for roughly a minute each.
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No its adebisi's brother observing from what I've heard.
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At least they warned us, "BD Internet".
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On February 18 2013 04:45 icydergosu wrote:
At least they warned us before, "BD Internet".
What does "BD" mean btw ?
Glad they fixed the lag !
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On February 18 2013 04:46 Ambre wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2013 04:45 icydergosu wrote:
At least they warned us before, "BD Internet". What does "BD" mean btw ? Glad they fixed the lag !
The opposite of GD =)
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On February 18 2013 04:46 Ambre wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2013 04:45 icydergosu wrote:
At least they warned us before, "BD Internet". What does "BD" mean btw ? Glad they fixed the lag !
Since GD stands for good, BD must stand for bad. -_-
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Does ignite afterburners cost nothing at all? That seems pretty silly if so, why not cost energy so there's at least some cost-benefit analysis necessary when you use it?
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blizzard should really try to make tanks stronger somehow, otherwise mech seems quite difficult to play with
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United Arab Emirates439 Posts
This is what Mech is anymore vs P. Turtle until Sky Terran + Ghost
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Wow, those hellions just don't die quickly anymore... weird
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Is the stream really quite laggy for anyone else?
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On February 18 2013 05:09 WigglingSquid wrote:
Is the stream really quite laggy for anyone else?
For everyone I believe :/
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Wow tempests are just terriblen even against an army comp they are meant to hard counter they yet crushed.
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Look slike protoss have broodlords now.
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god damn it my stream died just as that epic air battle started
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Russian Federation131 Posts
was rooting for beasty, grubby don't deserve imo
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This Heart of the Swarm photo show is really interesting.
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On February 18 2013 05:10 Lukeeze[zR] wrote:
Look slike protoss have broodlords now.
If BL's could be blocked by PDD and didn't spawn free units on the ground then maybe that comparison worked ;o
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United Arab Emirates439 Posts
On February 18 2013 05:10 Geos13 wrote:
Wow tempests are just terriblen even against an army comp they are meant to hard counter they yet crushed.
Bet you feel pretty silly right now.
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Why is it that commentators always go an about how good Terran is but whatever HotS tournament I watch I just see Terrans losing most of their games...
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The range of the tempest has to be nerfed.
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zomg this is great, minus the lag at first. heh
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On February 18 2013 05:12 sashqinCho wrote:was rooting for beasty, grubby don't deserve imo
Because you were rooting for Beasty? You mustn't have been watching the game. Grubby was deflecting everything since the start, and was expanding a lot, etc. I'd go through the whole game, but I think your bias would blind you anyway.
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not sure what the idea behind going BCs was..
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On February 18 2013 05:19 PredY wrote:
not sure what the idea behind going BCs was..
bc/viking works fine the problem is he ran out of PDD energy and didn't fall back, instead he over extended and let everything die.
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I quite like the relationships of these compositions
Without support Tempests crush BCs
but then you add Ravens with pdd, then BC+Raven > Tempest
but then you add HT+Stalkers so they can eat or feedback pdds, ravens and bcs
but then you put ghosts and tanks, so you can zone out HTs and othter ground units.
Fucking awesome.
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On February 18 2013 05:13 Dodgin wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2013 05:10 Lukeeze[zR] wrote:
Look slike protoss have broodlords now. If BL's could be blocked by PDD and didn't spawn free units on the ground then maybe that comparison worked ;o
I am going to go ahead and say that hellbats are the new infestors.
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I really like beastyqt's style sad that he is out
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I'm still getting unwatchable lag; is there a quality setting I should stick the stream at?
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United Kingdom14464 Posts
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Russian Federation131 Posts
On February 18 2013 05:18 Zenbrez wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2013 05:12 sashqinCho wrote:was rooting for beasty, grubby don't deserve imo Because you were rooting for Beasty? You mustn't have been watching the game. Grubby was deflecting everything since the start, and was expanding a lot, etc. I'd go through the whole game, but I think your bias would blind you anyway.
objectiveness detector)
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HotS release is foreigners' only chance of winning anything of significance again until LotV. I wonder if they'll manage.
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On February 18 2013 05:24 sitromit wrote:
HotS release is foreigners' only chance of winning anything of significance again until LotV. I wonder if they'll manage.
What makes you think that? The HotS GM is filled with Koreans at the top.
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Buildorder win, mass collosus vs mass swarmhost
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On February 18 2013 05:27 Tenks wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2013 05:24 sitromit wrote:
HotS release is foreigners' only chance of winning anything of significance again until LotV. I wonder if they'll manage. What makes you think that? The HotS GM is filled with Koreans at the top.
The game is still very volatile.
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On February 18 2013 05:34 Hylirion wrote:
Buildorder win, mass collosus vs mass swarmhost
that was a strategic response, not a BO win -_-
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On February 18 2013 05:34 Hylirion wrote:
Buildorder win, mass collosus vs mass swarmhost
Not really, Swarm Hosts can be extremely good versus Collosus actually.
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Grubby right now is playing way better than he has on his stream the last couple of days, looked so shaky he had me worry quite a bit!
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On February 18 2013 05:19 PredY wrote:
not sure what the idea behind going BCs was..
It occasionally works when protoss messes up or is caught by surprise.
It was a bit better on daybreak where you could split the map with planetaries.
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waoh, just starting to see Hots playing out. That game was absolutely exciting. (Grubby vs. TLO, g1) I hope the remainder of games tonight look as cool as this. Then, I'll look very very much forward to all the Hots tournaments and the future of SC2 in general.
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On February 18 2013 05:34 Hylirion wrote:
Buildorder win, mass collosus vs mass swarmhost
It's not a build order win considering that Grubby scouted the lack of 3rd and responded accordingly. Build order wins refer only to accidentally countering using the starting build order.
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Unwatchable sadly....its like watching pictures with a sentence every now and then.
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On February 18 2013 05:36 Doublemint wrote:
Grubby right now is playing way better than he has on his stream the last couple of days, looked so shaky he had me worry quite a bit!
Grubby basically is the Roger Federer of sc2. In pratice he never performs 100% but rather tries out new things or even does some VERY stupid mistakes. In tournament games though he rarely has holes in his play. This has been the case for his wc3 career and did not really change after his switch to sc2.
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On February 18 2013 05:37 kheldorin wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2013 05:34 Hylirion wrote:
Buildorder win, mass collosus vs mass swarmhost It's not a build order win considering that Grubby scouted the lack of 3rd and responded accordingly. Build order wins refer only to accidentally countering using the starting build order.
AFAIK he was already going double robo colli before that, but oh well.
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On February 18 2013 05:40 Hylirion wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2013 05:37 kheldorin wrote:On February 18 2013 05:34 Hylirion wrote:
Buildorder win, mass collosus vs mass swarmhost It's not a build order win considering that Grubby scouted the lack of 3rd and responded accordingly. Build order wins refer only to accidentally countering using the starting build order. AFAIK he was already going double robo colli before that, but oh well.
No, they said on the stream Grubby knows TLO goes crazy with Swarm Hosts. So Grubby probably inferred that with the mass creep spread, 2 bases, and Roach presence (so he knows it probably isn't Mutalisks).
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On February 18 2013 05:40 Hylirion wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2013 05:37 kheldorin wrote:On February 18 2013 05:34 Hylirion wrote:
Buildorder win, mass collosus vs mass swarmhost It's not a build order win considering that Grubby scouted the lack of 3rd and responded accordingly. Build order wins refer only to accidentally countering using the starting build order. AFAIK he was already going double robo colli before that, but oh well.
no, he put down the first robo right when he saw there was no 3rd. At least from what I saw on stream...
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On February 18 2013 05:37 Dotq wrote:
Unwatchable sadly....its like watching pictures with a sentence every now and then.
+1
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On February 18 2013 05:39 o)_Saurus wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2013 05:36 Doublemint wrote:
Grubby right now is playing way better than he has on his stream the last couple of days, looked so shaky he had me worry quite a bit! Grubby basically is the Roger Federer of sc2. In pratice he never performs 100% but rather tries out new things or even does some VERY stupid mistakes. In tournament games though he rarely has holes in his play. This has been the case for his wc3 career and did not really change after his switch to sc2.
I kinda agree with the first part, though I don't see how you can say that for his time when he played wc3 - no way to know how he did back then in practice as twitch and its counterparts have not been established... of course if you are one of his earlier practice partners I concede defeat x-D
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On February 18 2013 05:40 Hylirion wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2013 05:37 kheldorin wrote:On February 18 2013 05:34 Hylirion wrote:
Buildorder win, mass collosus vs mass swarmhost It's not a build order win considering that Grubby scouted the lack of 3rd and responded accordingly. Build order wins refer only to accidentally countering using the starting build order. AFAIK he was already going double robo colli before that, but oh well.
No.. no one goes double robo that early, ever.
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On February 18 2013 05:37 Dotq wrote:
Unwatchable sadly....its like watching pictures with a sentence every now and then.
Every resolution for me except 720p is fine which is weird. 360/480/720p+ all lagging on me
BTW nice birthday i like it ^_^
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adebesi missed the baneling overlord between grubbys main and 3rd! How did it fare?
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What a strange metagame lol
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Cloud is one of the worst maps for mass mutas. On most maps you can defend bases pretty easily with mass spines and just fly around with your mutas doing whatever you want but not on cloud.
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Once the balance gets tweaked to this game, and the meta is more figured out it's going to be pretty fun to watch. These games are selling HoTS to me pretty well.
EDIT: As in lots of action all around the map, lots of positional play. I'd like to see TLO do actual compositions and not just massing one unit though...
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Really badass fight there with stalker/immortal/sentry/ mass phoenix vs ling/baneling/muta/corruptor!! Really even trade too.
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On February 18 2013 05:54 Chronos. wrote:
Really badass fight there with stalker/immortal/sentry/ mass phoenix vs ling/baneling/muta/corruptor!! Really even trade too.
Nah the trade was way better for grubby. Especially on Cloud kingdom you can't afford to lose that many mutas in a fight.
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On February 18 2013 05:35 Tachion wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2013 05:34 Hylirion wrote:
Buildorder win, mass collosus vs mass swarmhost that was a strategic response, not a BO win -_-
It's not even a BO win unless zerg is going mainly swarmhost without any corruptors or much support but almost pure swarmhost which is silly imo anyway :D.
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Grubby unstopibol. so nice to see.
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On February 18 2013 05:37 Dotq wrote:
Unwatchable sadly....its like watching pictures with a sentence every now and then.
Yeah, I had to go watch something else, terrible lag.
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Ka-Ching - 250 bucks for the Grubbster
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On February 18 2013 05:54 Chronos. wrote:
Really badass fight there with stalker/immortal/sentry/ mass phoenix vs ling/baneling/muta/corruptor!! Really even trade too.
That was a horrible trade for TLO.
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Oh man I got the time wrong on these matches =(....
But on the bright side, GOOO GRUBBY!!
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The highlight of this match was an Immortal Sentry all in no longer being an all in for Protoss, you can botch it, hit recall, and take a 3rd.
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I'd love to see Grubby he one of top 2 foreigners with Stephano in HOTS 
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On February 18 2013 06:05 sitromit wrote:
The highlight of this match was an Immortal Sentry all in no longer being an all in for Protoss, you can botch it, hit recall, and take a 3rd.
and when exactly did that happen in the grubby game?
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On February 18 2013 06:07 Doublemint wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2013 06:05 sitromit wrote:
The highlight of this match was an Immortal Sentry all in no longer being an all in for Protoss, you can botch it, hit recall, and take a 3rd. and when exactly did that happen in the grubby game?
Were you afk during the beginning of the game on Cloud Kingdom? You do realize Grubby went for an Immortal Sentry all in?
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Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
A former dota player vs a former wc3 player casted by a former C&C player and observored by a SC2 plyaer.
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On February 18 2013 06:08 sitromit wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2013 06:07 Doublemint wrote:On February 18 2013 06:05 sitromit wrote:
The highlight of this match was an Immortal Sentry all in no longer being an all in for Protoss, you can botch it, hit recall, and take a 3rd. and when exactly did that happen in the grubby game? Were you afk during the beginning of the game on Cloud Kingdom? You do realize Grubby went for an Immortal Sentry all in?
when exactly did he botch it, meaning lost a lot, hit recall and went a 3rd ez.
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On February 18 2013 06:08 sitromit wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2013 06:07 Doublemint wrote:On February 18 2013 06:05 sitromit wrote:
The highlight of this match was an Immortal Sentry all in no longer being an all in for Protoss, you can botch it, hit recall, and take a 3rd. and when exactly did that happen in the grubby game? Were you afk during the beginning of the game on Cloud Kingdom? You do realize Grubby went for an Immortal Sentry all in?
Wasn't an all-in. he went for colossi tech long before he was pushed back. The entire idea being able to TP is that you don't need to make it an all-in, since you can escape.
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On February 18 2013 06:09 Mohdoo wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2013 06:08 sitromit wrote:On February 18 2013 06:07 Doublemint wrote:On February 18 2013 06:05 sitromit wrote:
The highlight of this match was an Immortal Sentry all in no longer being an all in for Protoss, you can botch it, hit recall, and take a 3rd. and when exactly did that happen in the grubby game? Were you afk during the beginning of the game on Cloud Kingdom? You do realize Grubby went for an Immortal Sentry all in? Wasn't an all-in. he went for colossi tech long before he was pushed back. The entire idea being able to TP is that you don't need to make it an all-in, since you can escape.
No, he went for Colossus after he got pushed back. He actually walled of his natural when moving out and put down a bunch of cannons. He went for an all in. Only it's no longer all in, because if you botch the attack and get your army trapped, you can safely recall home.
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On February 18 2013 06:08 sitromit wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2013 06:07 Doublemint wrote:On February 18 2013 06:05 sitromit wrote:
The highlight of this match was an Immortal Sentry all in no longer being an all in for Protoss, you can botch it, hit recall, and take a 3rd. and when exactly did that happen in the grubby game? Were you afk during the beginning of the game on Cloud Kingdom? You do realize Grubby went for an Immortal Sentry all in?
Were you afk when he killed over 80 lings and the 3rd base, with little losses?
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The point is, think of the few times people managed to hold Parting's Immortal all ins. Now add a mothership core to that equation. Artosis was saying on SotG that he doesn't think Parting can even lose a game to Zerg in HotS. I agree.
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On February 18 2013 06:13 sitromit wrote:
The point is, think of the few times people managed to hold Parting's Immortal all ins. Now add a mothership core to that equation. Artosis was saying on SotG that he doesn't think Parting can even lose a game to Zerg in HotS. I agree.
that's a completely hypothetical scenario ~
also believe it or not, Artosis is an awesome caster - but it's not unheard of that he is wrong once or twice about his predictions ^_^
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On February 18 2013 06:12 sitromit wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2013 06:09 Mohdoo wrote:On February 18 2013 06:08 sitromit wrote:On February 18 2013 06:07 Doublemint wrote:On February 18 2013 06:05 sitromit wrote:
The highlight of this match was an Immortal Sentry all in no longer being an all in for Protoss, you can botch it, hit recall, and take a 3rd. and when exactly did that happen in the grubby game? Were you afk during the beginning of the game on Cloud Kingdom? You do realize Grubby went for an Immortal Sentry all in? Wasn't an all-in. he went for colossi tech long before he was pushed back. The entire idea being able to TP is that you don't need to make it an all-in, since you can escape. No, he went for Colossus after he got pushed back. He actually walled of his natural when moving out and put down a bunch of cannons. He went for an all in. Only it's no longer all in, because if you botch the attack and get your army trapped, you can safely recall home.
lol try to invalidate the wins of players however you want, its not going to change anything.
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I love Heart of the Swarm so much every game I see is awesome.
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On February 18 2013 06:16 Pandain wrote:
I love Heart of the Swarm so much every game I see is awesome.
I kind of feel TvT isn't as good as before, but I haven't seen enough to say for sure.
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Watching two armies both time warped is hilarious, It's like someone put the game on slowest mode.
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lol Apollo da man
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Hahah. I am willing to bet that Apollo practiced that joke before doing this on stream. 
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Grubby playing really well. Let's see if he can pull off a 6-0.
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United Arab Emirates439 Posts
I don't understand what sort of counter-play is involved with Time-Warp? It seems like you basically just accept that it is going down if you commit and it goes down and yeah.
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On February 18 2013 06:26 ZjiublingZ wrote:
I don't understand what sort of counter-play is involved with Time-Warp? It seems like you basically just accept that it is going down if you commit and it goes down and yeah.
Sounds a lot like some other spells that are in this game... you can pre-spread and try to bait a missed one, but that's about it.
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On February 18 2013 06:26 ZjiublingZ wrote:
I don't understand what sort of counter-play is involved with Time-Warp? It seems like you basically just accept that it is going down if you commit and it goes down and yeah.
reducing micro capability of the opponent I would say, a very nice combo with ff/storm is possible as well so that could be problematic
//edit: and I agree with the guy above me of course.
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holy shit grubby unstopibol
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Grubby playing really good, haven't seen him play this good in a while
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On February 18 2013 06:25 Talron wrote:
Grubby playing really well. Let's see if he can pull off a 6-0.
:D
8-0 incoming! I really want Grubby to do well this year.
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United Arab Emirates439 Posts
On February 18 2013 06:29 corpuscle wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2013 06:26 ZjiublingZ wrote:
I don't understand what sort of counter-play is involved with Time-Warp? It seems like you basically just accept that it is going down if you commit and it goes down and yeah. Sounds a lot like some other spells that are in this game... you can pre-spread and try to bait a missed one, but that's about it.
Hmm... I expected there would be a reason they kept the spell in the game after getting rid of it on the Oracle. But I haven't seen any interesting uses of it or interesting counter-play against it.
Oh well, I didn't mean to derail the thread! Go DeMuslim!
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On February 18 2013 06:29 corpuscle wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2013 06:26 ZjiublingZ wrote:
I don't understand what sort of counter-play is involved with Time-Warp? It seems like you basically just accept that it is going down if you commit and it goes down and yeah. Sounds a lot like some other spells that are in this game... you can pre-spread and try to bait a missed one, but that's about it.
I also think pros will find better uses for it, like saving one time warp for after the fight when your opponent or you want to retreat for example. Depends on the matchup of course. But throwing both down in an immortal/archon vs immortal/archon fight doesn't seem to do much.
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Does timewarp actually decreas attack speed or only movement speed?
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On February 18 2013 06:36 Takuna wrote:
Does timewarp actually decreas attack speed or only movement speed?
It does decrease attack speed.
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On February 18 2013 06:36 Takuna wrote:
Does timewarp actually decreas attack speed or only movement speed?
Only movement speed. A shame, as it would be cool if projectiles slowed down in the TimeWarp bubble.
On February 18 2013 06:37 Dodgin wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2013 06:36 Takuna wrote:
Does timewarp actually decreas attack speed or only movement speed? It does decrease attack speed.
I don't recall it doing that.
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On February 18 2013 06:36 Takuna wrote:
Does timewarp actually decreas attack speed or only movement speed?
Movement speed and it also slows down prjectiles afaik, it deoes not affect air units btw (like overlords apollo xD).
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Next time someone uses time warp just look at the units inside, their firing rate is much slower than normal.
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LoL at 3 different answers haha :D.
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On February 18 2013 06:35 Musicus wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2013 06:29 corpuscle wrote:On February 18 2013 06:26 ZjiublingZ wrote:
I don't understand what sort of counter-play is involved with Time-Warp? It seems like you basically just accept that it is going down if you commit and it goes down and yeah. Sounds a lot like some other spells that are in this game... you can pre-spread and try to bait a missed one, but that's about it. I also think pros will find better uses for it, like saving one time warp for after the fight when your opponent or you want to retreat for example. Depends on the matchup of course. But throwing both down in an immortal/archon vs immortal/archon fight doesn't seem to do much.
I'll eagerly wait for Timewarp harassment on the mineral line.
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United Kingdom14464 Posts
Time to see if Demu can stop the Grubby train.
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On February 18 2013 06:38 Dodgin wrote:
Next time someone uses time warp just look at the units inside, their firing rate is much slower than normal.
hm Liquipedia says it reduces movement by 50% - nothing else, so I am rather sceptical of what you are saying
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On February 18 2013 06:39 WigglingSquid wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2013 06:35 Musicus wrote:On February 18 2013 06:29 corpuscle wrote:On February 18 2013 06:26 ZjiublingZ wrote:
I don't understand what sort of counter-play is involved with Time-Warp? It seems like you basically just accept that it is going down if you commit and it goes down and yeah. Sounds a lot like some other spells that are in this game... you can pre-spread and try to bait a missed one, but that's about it. I also think pros will find better uses for it, like saving one time warp for after the fight when your opponent or you want to retreat for example. Depends on the matchup of course. But throwing both down in an immortal/archon vs immortal/archon fight doesn't seem to do much. I'll eagerly wait for Timewarp harassment on the mineral line.
Ah yes, I've seen that on some streams, Tod's for example, but I wonder how effective it is. You can only do it in the early game or you will lose the MSC. Heromarine moved his mules out of the time warp, but ignored it for the most part.
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On February 18 2013 06:39 WigglingSquid wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2013 06:35 Musicus wrote:On February 18 2013 06:29 corpuscle wrote:On February 18 2013 06:26 ZjiublingZ wrote:
I don't understand what sort of counter-play is involved with Time-Warp? It seems like you basically just accept that it is going down if you commit and it goes down and yeah. Sounds a lot like some other spells that are in this game... you can pre-spread and try to bait a missed one, but that's about it. I also think pros will find better uses for it, like saving one time warp for after the fight when your opponent or you want to retreat for example. Depends on the matchup of course. But throwing both down in an immortal/archon vs immortal/archon fight doesn't seem to do much. I'll eagerly wait for Timewarp harassment on the mineral line.
Since it delays only movement it's not that effective.
It's much better to save your energy for photon overcharge / recall or just use time warp in combat.
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So insanely shut down. Grubby got this.
edit: shit lol
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On February 18 2013 06:43 pmp10 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2013 06:39 WigglingSquid wrote:On February 18 2013 06:35 Musicus wrote:On February 18 2013 06:29 corpuscle wrote:On February 18 2013 06:26 ZjiublingZ wrote:
I don't understand what sort of counter-play is involved with Time-Warp? It seems like you basically just accept that it is going down if you commit and it goes down and yeah. Sounds a lot like some other spells that are in this game... you can pre-spread and try to bait a missed one, but that's about it. I also think pros will find better uses for it, like saving one time warp for after the fight when your opponent or you want to retreat for example. Depends on the matchup of course. But throwing both down in an immortal/archon vs immortal/archon fight doesn't seem to do much. I'll eagerly wait for Timewarp harassment on the mineral line. Since it delays only movement it's not that effective. It's much better to save your energy for photon overcharge / recall or just use time warp in combat.
Oh, I see. Shame on Blizzard for giving spells deceptive names.
Were it to actually slow everything down, I could see players time warping double assimilators when the geysers are close enough.
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What the hell is this supply lead by Demuslim, reallly wtf haha.
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Where did Grubby go wrong? i don't really see it. Just macro problems?
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On February 18 2013 06:50 scampioen wrote:
Where did Grubby go wrong? i don't really see it. Just macro problems?
No collosus.
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Grubby missed a couple of warp cycles. He was floating 1000 mins and some gas and DeMusliM was keeping an excellent pace. That's where the mysterious 140 to 100 supply lead came from and it snowballed from there.
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aah no perfect record for Grubby today =/
he had so many minerals for like the last two minutes of the game. he just let his macro slip imo.
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On February 18 2013 06:50 stuchiu wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2013 06:50 scampioen wrote:
Where did Grubby go wrong? i don't really see it. Just macro problems? No collosus.
Was it really just this? To me, as a sc2 beginner this seems quite odd.
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On February 18 2013 06:52 Talron wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2013 06:50 stuchiu wrote:On February 18 2013 06:50 scampioen wrote:
Where did Grubby go wrong? i don't really see it. Just macro problems? No collosus. Was it really just this? To me, as a sc2 beginner this seems quite odd.
I disagree with stuchiu's assessment; I think it was just macro mistakes and perhaps not enough HT's for storm.
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Demuslim never missed a beat with his production, that was some Bomber macro. Grubby missed warp in cycles. That's pretty much it, a game won by macro.
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On February 18 2013 06:52 Schelim wrote:
aah no perfect record for Grubby today =/
he had so many minerals for like the last two minutes of the game. he just let his macro slip imo.
i dont see how a few more units would have helped Grubby, no way he could have hold his third.
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On February 18 2013 06:52 Talron wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2013 06:50 stuchiu wrote:On February 18 2013 06:50 scampioen wrote:
Where did Grubby go wrong? i don't really see it. Just macro problems? No collosus. Was it really just this? To me, as a sc2 beginner this seems quite odd.
Can't beat bio without splash damage in the long run. The new HotS stuff allows Protoss to stall a bit longer, but ultimately you need Colossi and/or Storm, and Grubby was really late on the latter.
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On February 18 2013 06:52 Talron wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2013 06:50 stuchiu wrote:On February 18 2013 06:50 scampioen wrote:
Where did Grubby go wrong? i don't really see it. Just macro problems? No collosus. Was it really just this? To me, as a sc2 beginner this seems quite odd.
There were other things. In the beginning, it looked like Demuslim was behind by losnig 4 hellions for three probes. But at the end he was up 4 scvs with a third on the way. Demuslim was ahead in economy and production and Grubby couldn't hit any timing that the late stim gave him.
Basically Demuslim's bio medivac force was cost efficient while Grubby's tech was late because of the stargate tech. He didn't have enough time to get enough storms and demuslim took the game to a very high octane pressure that tests the mechanics of both players. Demuslim was hitting his depots and production cycles and making more rax. And the difference in spending kind of snowballed out of control.
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nooooo Grubby =/
well done though Demu
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I'm gonna have to try just pretending it's WoL next time I play HotS TvP, bio is still pretty good.
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Let see how long the fanboys will hype up Demuslim this time. Maybe this time he will actually have his break out but I somehow doubt it.
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Next show will get interesting.
Demusilm plays classic bio terran so he is less likely to kill himself trying new gimmicks.
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Apollo is such a good caster. Wish he could cast the GSL.
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Grats demuslim
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demu is such a nice player
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Next up: Demuslim vs Goswser ---> HyuN ---> Supernova
Not sure if I missed a name.
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You forgot HasuObs iirc.
It was also announced, that the very last player will be the one with the longest winning streak, so they don't have bring in one player, to just play a single match at max.
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The OP is updated with this weeks players . And as mentioned on the show we will invite longest streak back for the final night, possible anyone with streak of 3+ we'll see!
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Currently going live! Be sure to tune in!
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Is it lagging or is it just me?
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Really smart counter by Goswser, I'm sure DeMuslim will think twice about using that build again.
On February 22 2013 03:16 scsnow wrote:
Is it lagging or is it just me?
No lag here, Eastern US
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On February 22 2013 03:20 ZjiublingZ wrote:Really smart counter by Goswser, I'm sure DeMuslim will think twice about using that build again. No lag here, Eastern US
Neither here (France) in 480p. And I have a shitty connection.
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Swarm Host/Baneling all in. :D That looked funny. It comes too late though, I don't see how it could ever work.
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On February 22 2013 03:20 ZjiublingZ wrote:
Really smart counter by Goswser, I'm sure DeMuslim will think twice about using that build again.
dunno about that. pool first openers fall behind to cc first like in game 2.
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Unwatchable for me due to lag
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On February 22 2013 03:59 Hren wrote:Unwatchable for me due to lag
720p+ is lag free for me.
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Goswser allready made a fan out of me.
Love the agression, such a refreshing style compared to WoL mass spines.
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HotS ZvP is so refreshing to watch ^^
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goswser hates spines in his bases.
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On February 22 2013 04:13 Morphage wrote:
HotS ZvP is so refreshing to watch ^^
Definitely an improvement from WoL, but I don't like how Hasuobs has turtled the entire game until the 5 base perfect composition. Though that could be just to the fault of Goswser's strategy, I know Swarm Host/Hydra is a lot more popular among players than Roach/Hydra.
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Why isnt Goswser leaving..ffs
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On February 22 2013 04:18 ZjiublingZ wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2013 04:13 Morphage wrote:
HotS ZvP is so refreshing to watch ^^ Definitely an improvement from WoL, but I don't like how Hasuobs has turtled the entire game until the 5 base perfect composition. Though that could be just to the fault of Goswser's strategy, I know Swarm Host/Hydra is a lot more popular among players than Roach/Hydra.
you must not be familiar with hasu's playstyle :D
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On February 22 2013 04:22 Schelim wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2013 04:18 ZjiublingZ wrote:On February 22 2013 04:13 Morphage wrote:
HotS ZvP is so refreshing to watch ^^ Definitely an improvement from WoL, but I don't like how Hasuobs has turtled the entire game until the 5 base perfect composition. Though that could be just to the fault of Goswser's strategy, I know Swarm Host/Hydra is a lot more popular among players than Roach/Hydra. you must not be familiar with hasu's playstyle :D
No I am, I just hope it isn't a truly viable style in PvZ.
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On February 22 2013 04:18 ZjiublingZ wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2013 04:13 Morphage wrote:
HotS ZvP is so refreshing to watch ^^ Definitely an improvement from WoL, but I don't like how Hasuobs has turtled the entire game until the 5 base perfect composition. Though that could be just to the fault of Goswser's strategy, I know Swarm Host/Hydra is a lot more popular among players than Roach/Hydra.
Hasu had no realy timing to attack here imo but he kept the harass going the entire game and denied so many bases. Great play imo. Hope gosu uses swarmhosts now and forces Hasu to do something before reaching his favourite composition though.
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On February 22 2013 04:22 Schelim wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2013 04:18 ZjiublingZ wrote:On February 22 2013 04:13 Morphage wrote:
HotS ZvP is so refreshing to watch ^^ Definitely an improvement from WoL, but I don't like how Hasuobs has turtled the entire game until the 5 base perfect composition. Though that could be just to the fault of Goswser's strategy, I know Swarm Host/Hydra is a lot more popular among players than Roach/Hydra. you must not be familiar with hasu's playstyle :D
Hasu HAD to turtle that game- Goswser was so aggressive the whole game. And Hasuobs was harassing around the map constantly denying bases.
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On February 22 2013 03:59 Hren wrote:Unwatchable for me due to lag
Try watching straight on twitch.tv. Team Liquid lags like crazy for me even on 480p.
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On February 22 2013 04:18 ZjiublingZ wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2013 04:13 Morphage wrote:
HotS ZvP is so refreshing to watch ^^ Definitely an improvement from WoL, but I don't like how Hasuobs has turtled the entire game until the 5 base perfect composition. Though that could be just to the fault of Goswser's strategy, I know Swarm Host/Hydra is a lot more popular among players than Roach/Hydra.
Yeh that protoss 5 base composition does seem incredibly powerful, especially protoss air. We'll have to watch a lot more ZvP to make a better opinion though.
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What a treat!
BeastyQT vs Babyknight dream finals please!
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On February 22 2013 04:23 mrRoflpwn wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2013 04:22 Schelim wrote:On February 22 2013 04:18 ZjiublingZ wrote:On February 22 2013 04:13 Morphage wrote:
HotS ZvP is so refreshing to watch ^^ Definitely an improvement from WoL, but I don't like how Hasuobs has turtled the entire game until the 5 base perfect composition. Though that could be just to the fault of Goswser's strategy, I know Swarm Host/Hydra is a lot more popular among players than Roach/Hydra. you must not be familiar with hasu's playstyle :D Hasu HAD to turtle that game- Goswser was so aggressive the whole game. And Hasuobs was harassing around the map constantly denying bases.
That's because Hasuobs continued to expand AND Tech after every attack. He did not HAVE to defend. Though I'm not going to argue if it was the best decision or not, it pretty obviously was a good decision, I just hope that it isn't the right decision all the time for Protoss until they reach their end-game composition.
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On February 22 2013 04:25 ZenithM wrote:
What a treat!
BeastyQT vs Babyknight dream finals please!
I've some bad news for you.
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my point was just that hasuobs is one of the most turtly players (is that a word btw?) in all of sc2. i personally like that kind of play, but i know i'm in a small minority so /shrug
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I love how Protoss isn't afraid of BL's anymore.
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Loving the new ZvP in HotS.
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Damn this series is a really good showcase of late-game PvZ.
It feels like these big fights are 100% decided by player skill as opposed to racial balance. Hasu used a super strong AOE comp first game and kills Goswser. Conversely, game 2 has Goswser setting up that nice BL/Corruptor/Viper combo to destroy the same comp.
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thought hasu is gonna get crushed but i guess the planetary nexus and 4 cannons made the difference, so funny not being able to call battles atm
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HyuN vs Goswser should be an entertaining ZvZ series.
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Apollo showcasing the new guns and HyuN about to enter the arena. Macho.
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let's see if ZvZ is more interesting in HotS
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If HyuN can rack up a streak like he did in IPL FC, can we name this tournament TheHyuNStudio KotH?
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Actually, his last-name is pronounced "Go", not "Koh".
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That was brutally efficient by HyuN.
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Go Go HyuN! He really picked apart Goswser in those small fights.
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HyuN proved he was just a better player overall with superior scouting sense, Zergling/Bane micro and timings.
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On February 22 2013 05:40 PhoenixVoid wrote:
HyuN proved he was just a better player overall with superior scouting sense, Zergling/Bane micro and timings.
Pretty much thus. No offense to Goswser but HyuN is just on a completely different level and it showed.
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Well, early ZvZ is still kind of a russian roulette. And HyuN is still really good at it. Nice run Goswser though !
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rofl gg right there wouldve been way cooler
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HyuN just said, "Its a Reaper".
A little context: HyuN complained about Reapers a bit on Twitter.
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On February 22 2013 05:50 PhoenixVoid wrote:
HyuN just said, "Its a Reaper".
A little context: HyuN complained about Reapers a bit on Twitter.
Lol awhhh HyuN <3
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Apollo such a good caster <3
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HyuN's build just hard-counters SuperNoVa's horribly.
If you see HyuN's ZvT on Cloud Kingdom, he really likes to do these 1/1 Roach Speed timings which if SuperNoVa knew, could have defended at least.
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Never knew these two were such good friends.
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On February 22 2013 05:55 PhoenixVoid wrote:
Never knew these two were such good friends.
Apollo and Adebisi? They share bunk beds. ..or so I imagine
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On February 22 2013 05:58 AlternativeEgo wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2013 05:55 PhoenixVoid wrote:
Never knew these two were such good friends. Apollo and Adebisi? They share bunk beds. ..or so I imagine
HyuN and SuperNoVa.
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On February 22 2013 05:59 PhoenixVoid wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2013 05:58 AlternativeEgo wrote:On February 22 2013 05:55 PhoenixVoid wrote:
Never knew these two were such good friends. Apollo and Adebisi? They share bunk beds. ..or so I imagine HyuN and SuperNoVa.
Oh. I see that now. Guess I'm a bit behind.
+ Show Spoiler +They would probably bunk together too
Edit: HyuN is not messing around.
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well Z isn't that bad in hots, uh
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GG HyuN Smashing through people today!
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On February 22 2013 06:05 Lukeeze[zR] wrote:
well Z isn't that bad in hots, uh
Ironically HyuN complains that Zerg is weak in HotS. Maybe the solution is just Roaches.
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On February 22 2013 06:05 Lukeeze[zR] wrote:
well Z isn't that bad in hots, uh
yeah if u scout a 8 depot 8 gas 8 rax and cancel the proxyrax and when terran scouts gas and builds bunker in the most stupid position terran can actually lose even now
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making roaches pretty good in hots. ask stephano.
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Hyun sure does love his KotH formats!
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On February 22 2013 06:06 Tsubbi wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2013 06:05 Lukeeze[zR] wrote:
well Z isn't that bad in hots, uh yeah if u scout a 8 depot 8 gas 8 rax and cancel the proxyrax and when terran scouts gas and builds bunker in the most stupid position terran can actually lose even now
Ok sorry, Z is still bad don't bite me :[
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On February 22 2013 06:13 Lukeeze[zR] wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2013 06:06 Tsubbi wrote:On February 22 2013 06:05 Lukeeze[zR] wrote:
well Z isn't that bad in hots, uh yeah if u scout a 8 depot 8 gas 8 rax and cancel the proxyrax and when terran scouts gas and builds bunker in the most stupid position terran can actually lose even now Ok sorry, Z is still bad don't bite me :[
sorry hellbats and widow mines give me nightmares ^^
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Losing in Fight Club didn't bother Hyun too much, now he's already King of the Hill in two weekly HotS tournaments.
Hyun is simply the online king, he has been for quite a while but it's become very apparent in the past couple of months.
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Day 3 players
HyuN (King)
ForGG
SaSe
Glon
Polt
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On February 23 2013 06:07 PhoenixVoid wrote:
Day 3 players
HyuN (King)
ForGG
SaSe
Glon
Polt
Good luck tomorrow~
Yah HOTS!
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5hours50mins! 7pm CET start!
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Hoping for some good games, ForGG fighting !
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This is again supper laggy :[
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Vasa! 
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Ahh I missed the first 2 days. Glad I found it now. Looks very interesting. (No lag 720p+.)
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On February 25 2013 03:12 Lukeeze[zR] wrote:
This is again supper laggy :[
Always seems to be :/
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Really sloppy play by Hyun. ForGG should even this out!
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Shells and fire left to right. Zerg limbs scattering all over the place.
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I bet hyun will drop roaches on forgg's tank lines in g3
Btw, if you're still having lag issues, vasa's stream works perfectly
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Nice Hellbats/Tanks attack from ForGG, but he just gambled on no Mutalisks.
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On February 25 2013 03:40 TheDwf wrote:
Nice Hellbats/Tanks attack from ForGG, but he just gambled on no Mutalisks.
Hyun is the korean mondragon
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I'm curious, Is the fusion core upgrade for medivac still in this game?
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Yes, although no one seems to tech to fusion core to get it.
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On February 25 2013 03:42 Lukeeze[zR] wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2013 03:40 TheDwf wrote:
Nice Hellbats/Tanks attack from ForGG, but he just gambled on no Mutalisks. Hyun is the korean mondragon
True, but if he went 2-bases Infests instead of his usual Roach play, he might have gone Mutalisks too.
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I think ForGG is going to be screwed here.
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Tanks, mines. Fucking use them.
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On February 25 2013 03:45 PhoenixVoid wrote:
I think ForGG is going to be screwed here.
Of course ^^ he was playing HyuN in an online KotH style tournament
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On February 25 2013 03:45 PhoenixVoid wrote:
I think ForGG is going to be screwed here.
Yep, dual Armory before extra facts just auto-loses to 1/1 Speedroaches timings (at least in WoL, and he did not play anything different).
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So greedy ForGG T.T. Well here comes Sase!
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Generally speaking, it's a bad idea to Mech against any TSL Zerg because they know how to use Roaches to their maximum efficiency. Especially HyuN because he loves to go Roaches in ZvT.
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I hope HyuN can take out SaSe, mostly because I want to see him face Polt.
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On February 25 2013 03:48 PhoenixVoid wrote:
Generally speaking, it's a bad idea to Mech against any TSL Zerg because they know how to use Roaches to their maximum efficiency. Especially HyuN because he loves to go Roaches in ZvT.
In wol, no doubt. In hots it might change. The cloacked banshees/hellion opening is a must in wol if you want to mech without falling behind in mid-game, but in hots you could skip the heavy harass opening and go for a rather safe macro build supported by siege tanks and mines and 2 hellions for map scouting. That's what I would do against a rather predictable and aggressive roach player like hyun.
Yeah, theorycraft :p
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This is the weirdest ZvP build I've seen in HotS.
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Wow those free units have such high DPS and range. I haven't watched any HotS, but christ! lol
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Dammit HyuN, just play standard.
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Haha that was cute, I wish locust had a lower life expectancy but higher spawning rate. Would be perfect for containement play.
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On February 25 2013 03:58 Lukeeze[zR] wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2013 03:48 PhoenixVoid wrote:
Generally speaking, it's a bad idea to Mech against any TSL Zerg because they know how to use Roaches to their maximum efficiency. Especially HyuN because he loves to go Roaches in ZvT. In wol, no doubt. In hots it might change. The cloacked banshees/hellion opening is a must in wol if you want to mech without falling behind in mid-game, but in hots you could skip the heavy harass opening and go for a rather safe macro build supported by siege tanks and mines and 2 hellions for map scouting. That's what I would do against a rather predictable and aggressive roach player like hyun. Yeah, theorycraft :p
In this case he just needed to go dual fact after third, build Tanks, siege them behind a wall at his natural with SCVs ready to mass repair the bunker and he would have been fine, but ForGG never scouts and never walls (adapting to your opponent's build is overrated).
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This is a bad build, he used it against Titan and lost on the same map too.
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Stream uber laggy for someone else?
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No, winner faces Glon, and Polt is the final boss.
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Stream uber laggy for someone else?
I was having lag too but when I turned down the quality from 720p+ to 720p it disappeared.
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Ehhhh, SaSe just suicided a MsC.
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Much better by HyuN there, he didn't do a ridiculous build and seemed more focused.
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Lots of weird mistakes and slow reaction time by SaSe in this game. :/
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Uhhh, SaSe, what are you thinking...
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haha, Apollo says all types of smart shit about why Sase is gonna go into shield upgrades rater than armor, then Sase queues up armor xD
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As I predicted, HyuN has some of the scariest mid-game of any Zerg.
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Well, at least Sase died right before the 20 minute mark, so he doesn't have to quit the game. If he keeps staying in the game though... I don't know... He may have to retire.
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I only wish HyuN didn't do that dumb build on game one, then he would have done a 2-0 sweep most likely.
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Going gateway first make zero sense unless you either pressure or go all-in. I have no idea what Sase was thinking.
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On February 25 2013 04:37 Schelim wrote:
who the fuck is Glon?
The next zerg bonjwa, duh
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HyuN already breaking the record, this guy just thrives on KotH tournaments.
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On February 25 2013 04:35 sitromit wrote:
Well, at least Sase died right before the 20 minute mark, so he doesn't have to quit the game. If he keeps staying in the game though... I don't know... He may have to retire.
He technically died before the mark so I don't think that we should count this game. He may continue to play.
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Good luck Glon, you need it.
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On February 25 2013 04:40 AlternativeEgo wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2013 04:35 sitromit wrote:
Well, at least Sase died right before the 20 minute mark, so he doesn't have to quit the game. If he keeps staying in the game though... I don't know... He may have to retire. He technically died before the mark so I don't think that we should count this game. He may continue to play.
hyun also liked to toy with his food, he just sat in storms
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On February 25 2013 04:41 PhoenixVoid wrote:
Good luck Glon, you need it.
This I hope Glon has better ZvZ then Goswser(Though not really cuz I want HyuN to win xD)
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As long as I see HyuN vs Polt, I am happy.
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$500 so far for HyuN and $750 left to play for.
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LOL, it's always the same with Koreans, their Lings are better than foreigner Lings.
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God damn HyuN's micro is too fucking good...
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Watching HyuN play early game ZvZ is a beautiful thing to behold.
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It's scary seeing the difference between Life and HyuN's early Pool builds versus other Zergs. They just know how to utilize Lings so well.
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alright, let's just move on to Polt straight away then? :D
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HyuN with more drones then Glons supply...
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Welp. Anything that gets us faster to Polt vs HyuN, I'm happy.
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Well that was horribly one sided O.o Poor Glon, he was so angry he didn't get a chance to show his skill at MLG and now he gets a chance and it's against HyuN.
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On February 25 2013 04:56 PhoenixVoid wrote:
Welp. Anything that gets us faster to Polt vs HyuN, I'm happy.
i cant wait, after playing polt no one else ive played really compares to him. he just KNOWS how to engage. i am so excited to watch hyun vs polt.!!!!
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Wow Hyun was opening 8 pool? I assumed it was 10 pool when I played against it.
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Hyun has a big supply lead, even though he lost more lings.
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Hyun in his stream chat "Lol thought no gas"
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Haha. Nice win for Glon. Must feel good to take a game off Hyun.
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hahaha. too bad we're gonna have to wait a bit longer for Polt though.
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USAUSA lol wow grats Glon, first Danica now this!
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HyuN sure loves his Drones.
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Hyun didn't see the Gas I think. And he also didn't have enough time to look if the Pool was actually researching speed.
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On February 25 2013 05:07 Yello wrote:
Hyun didn't see the Gas I think. And he also didn't have enough time to look if the Pool was actually researching speed.
He did not see the gas. He said in his stream chat after the game "gg lol thought no gas" xD
Smart move my Glon but I don't think he can take HyuN in another game.
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There we go HyuN
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That is more like it HyuN! now vs Polt
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Just got back home. What's the record for Hyun so far?
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This is a little early to say, but Hyun is going to be scary in the first GSL I think. He's crazy good.
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Glon will do the dishes tonight. :p
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I want to see the HotS version of Polt's Marauder/Hellion all in.
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Well if anybody can beat Hyun that would be Polt. Gonna be good.
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My body is ready for this epic clash to determine who is the best TSL HotS player.
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And just like Danica Glons fell back from the pack shortly thereafter
At least we get a great matchup soon! So stoked.
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On February 25 2013 05:13 Qikz wrote:
This is a little early to say, but Hyun is going to be scary in the first GSL I think. He's crazy good.
HotS really plays to his strength for Zerg. His strongest point was always mid game Lair tech and that is where Zerg shines the most in HotS so yea I can see him doing very well!
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On February 25 2013 05:14 Necro)Phagist( wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2013 05:13 Qikz wrote:
This is a little early to say, but Hyun is going to be scary in the first GSL I think. He's crazy good. HotS really plays to his strength for Zerg. His strongest point was always mid game Lair tech and that is where Zerg shines the most in HotS so yea I can see him doing very well!
i just hope he doesnt get nerves. but yes hyun is really ridiculously good.
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The Poltimus faces the HyuNatron in a battle to determine who will rule the universe.
I only wish this would be a Bo7.
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Oh, it's that Hatchery creep spread strategy that RagnaroK used. Apparently HyuN taught him that build too.
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On February 25 2013 05:22 Schelim wrote:
what the hatch?
Used to get creep spread on the map quickly. When you cancel the Hatch, a bit of creep is leftover, and a Queen can place a Tumor to spread creep.
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LOL Apollo full fanboy mode.
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Making 10 overlords means "fuck off". Noted. ^^
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Either HyuN was sloppy that game, or Polt is just that good in HotS.
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Polt's choice to get such a fast third factory is actually what won him this game.
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I expected a bit more fight from HyuN that game, but I think we can get a game three.
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I have waited all year to see a awesome Korean play HotS Terran it is soooooo good hnnnggh. Hitting all over the map, with reapers, widow mining mineral lines marching down the street with marines and tanks. So delicious.
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On February 25 2013 05:30 PulseKane wrote:
Terran B)
Polt B)
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Like an early 2011 PvZ. Z makes only roach hydra almost 20mins long =D
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Silly Apollo, that was the game against Lucky.
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On February 25 2013 05:33 WoodLeagueAllStar wrote:
I have waited all year to see a awesome Korean play HotS Terran it is soooooo good hnnnggh. Hitting all over the map, with reapers, widow mining mineral lines marching down the street with marines and tanks. So delicious.
And getaway 'vacs to get the boys out of the danger zone.
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Ouch, Polt is too good at HotS.
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On February 25 2013 05:33 Lukeeze[zR] wrote:Polt B)
Widow mines not that hard to use. Polt wins the late game engagements so convincingly because he's really freaking good, but he gets in such a good position because of his race I think. widow mines drops are REALLY hard to deal with from any terran.
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Yeah. That Day[9]/TL launch party tournament will be very one-sided.
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Games were uninteresting as far as I can tell. Widow mines give too much early advantage for no investment. Yawn.
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Polt's play is always pleasure to watch.
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On February 25 2013 05:47 StarVe wrote:
Yeah. That Day[9]/TL launch party tournament will be very one-sided.
If Polt can do this to HyuN, imagine what he will do to IdrA, MiniGun, CatZ, White-Ra, Grubby, MorroW and TLO
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Give the man his goddamn camera!!
HyuN got $625 and we'll get to see more Polt. Win-win. ^^
Edit: Oh, and thanks for the games. Was good to hear more of Vasa + Show Spoiler +although I switched sound to Apollo for the last series..because I'm fair like that
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Can't tell if it was Hyun having a bad game, Polt just being overall superior or really just Terran & Zerg in HotS being really strong / weak respectevily. Someone enlighten me. Newbie here
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On February 25 2013 05:48 PhoenixVoid wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2013 05:47 StarVe wrote:
Yeah. That Day[9]/TL launch party tournament will be very one-sided. If Polt can do this to HyuN, imagine what he will do to IdrA, MiniGun, CatZ, White-Ra, Grubby, MorroW and TLO
It depends entirely what Fionn thinks how it'll go. He can curse Polt really hardcore
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On February 25 2013 05:51 Talron wrote:Can't tell if it was Hyun having a bad game, Polt just being overall superior or really just Terran & Zerg in HotS being really strong / weak respectevily. Someone enlighten me. Newbie here
IIRC Polt is hovering around 80% winrate on ladder atm including a nice series wins over the KTFlash account (who was the #1 player a week or so). I'd definitely rate him as a top 3 HOTS Terran. And it's mostly just incorporating HOTS units into his playstyle (i.e. not entirely dependent on Hellbat all-ins/drops).
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On February 25 2013 05:51 Talron wrote:Can't tell if it was Hyun having a bad game, Polt just being overall superior or really just Terran & Zerg in HotS being really strong / weak respectevily. Someone enlighten me. Newbie here
It's actually very small changes in the feeling of the game.
The reapers > Window mines pressure keep terran very safe to be greedy, but zerg have a hard time defending it.
They have to get some units, or a slower third, etc. If they don't, they will lose a lot of drones.
After that not much have changed.
It's basicly Mutalingbane vs marinetanks, but with better mutalisk on one side, and better medivacs on the other.
But the early make it so terran has more momentum going into midgame.
It's a bit like in 2011 when 4 hellions was enough to make a zerg stuck on 2 bases while you take your third base as terran. Zerg just don't have a strong midgame without the early 3 bases + 75 drones
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On February 25 2013 05:46 PulseKane wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2013 05:33 Lukeeze[zR] wrote:On February 25 2013 05:30 PulseKane wrote:
Terran B) Polt B) Widow mines not that hard to use. Polt wins the late game engagements so convincingly because he's really freaking good, but he gets in such a good position because of his race I think. widow mines drops are REALLY hard to deal with from any terran.
Yeah mines can be silly, Blizzard are pushing their new toys a bit too much. Still, Polt is scary as fuck, probably the only oldschool terran who isn't slumping (despite his studies).
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On February 25 2013 05:57 Lukeeze[zR] wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2013 05:46 PulseKane wrote:On February 25 2013 05:33 Lukeeze[zR] wrote:On February 25 2013 05:30 PulseKane wrote:
Terran B) Polt B) Widow mines not that hard to use. Polt wins the late game engagements so convincingly because he's really freaking good, but he gets in such a good position because of his race I think. widow mines drops are REALLY hard to deal with from any terran. Yeah mines can be silly, Blizzard are pushing their new toys a bit too much. Still, Polt is scary as fuck, probably the only oldschool terran who isn't slumping (despite his studies).
ya he's REALLY good, even in WoL his play is scary as shit.
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On February 25 2013 05:55 Noocta wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2013 05:51 Talron wrote:Can't tell if it was Hyun having a bad game, Polt just being overall superior or really just Terran & Zerg in HotS being really strong / weak respectevily. Someone enlighten me. Newbie here It's actually very small changes in the feeling of the game. The reapers > Window mines pressure keep terran very safe to be greedy, but zerg have a hard time defending it. They have to get some units, or a slower third, etc. If they don't, they will lose a lot of drones. After that not much have changed. It's basicly Mutalingbane vs marinetanks, but with better mutalisk on one side, and better medivacs on the other. But the early make it so terran has more momentum going into midgame. It's a bit like in 2011 when 4 hellions was enough to make a zerg stuck on 2 bases while you take your third base as terran. Zerg just don't have a strong midgame without the early 3 bases + 75 drones
There are other things that tilt it in the Terran's favor in the midgame beyond just the pressure Terran can put early on. Muta/Ling has never been a cost efficient style for Zerg, and a widow mine hit here and there that blows up a bunch of Lings or Banes, kills a Muta for free etc makes that worse. Polt didn't show much of this, but Terran can also support his army with mines, making it very cost inefficient for Zerg to engage. Overseers don't solve this.
In WoL, when Zerg plays Muta/Ling, winning an engagement means being able to kill at least a few of the medivacs with Mutas, but in HotS they just stim and run away, so once again, it's less cost efficient for the Zerg.
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GGs to everyone.
Congrats to Hyun for his sick streak and Polt for winning. Good luck on Thursday~
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I love the hallucinated Oracle.
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seed didn't bring his mothership core along with that attack
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Polt above 1K doing 5 depots at same time. lol. Still wins.
TBH, both guys with really bad macro.
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Polt being Polt again. Sloppy macro at the end, very late Ghosts, but he just out maneuvering Seed everywhere.
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Wasn't Ret supposed to play tonight? I must have missed this, but why did Dimaga replace him?
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Ret is sick and is unable to play. Dimaga came to the rescue to replace him.
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I think Polt needs a new base.
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damn polt is owning hots so far
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I feel like I'm being redundant, but seriously WTF happened to Polt?!? I was always a big fanboy, but I would probably rate him 4th or 5th among WOL Terrans. He's kicked it into another gear in HOTS.
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HAHA holyshit those nukes
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just like violet he seems to have gotten a huge skill boost from leaving korea for usa lol
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polt is really impressive o,o
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On March 01 2013 03:46 ssxsilver wrote:
I feel like I'm being redundant, but seriously WTF happened to Polt?!? I was always a big fanboy, but I would probably rate him 4th or 5th among WOL Terrans. He's kicked it into another gear in HOTS.
He plays on NA with no lag
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On March 01 2013 03:46 ssxsilver wrote:
I feel like I'm being redundant, but seriously WTF happened to Polt?!? I was always a big fanboy, but I would probably rate him 4th or 5th among WOL Terrans. He's kicked it into another gear in HOTS.
Possibly something to do with HotS working really well with Polt's strengths. One example is Medivac boost, because Polt was always known for his Medivac drops and Bio-control, and this only helps him. Another really interesting thing Polt uses is Widow Mines, because Polt uses them to contain and defend where Bio doesn't work well in the early-game.
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TX, better practice environnement than seoul.
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Polt going for a nice 500$ day.
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Dimaga next sacrificial lamb T.T...
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Who knew that Texas was the Hyperbolic Training Room of StarCraft. Even viOLet improved there, and Polt continues it.
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Only Heart has a slight chance. But Z's will die to Polt harass
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On March 01 2013 03:50 PhoenixVoid wrote:
Who knew that Texas was the Hyperbolic Training Room of StarCraft. Even viOLet improved there, and Polt continues it.
Breaking news : EG moving his gaming house to Texas.
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Last time DIMAGA and Polt played in HotS, it was a MLG showmatch that ended with Polt smashing DIMAGA 4-1.
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Full YOLO mode by Dimaga there.
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I see so many zergs playing nothing but ultras late game in hots, some lings/banes wouldnt hurt.
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Look at those clumsy Ultras waddle to their deaths.
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It's so refreshing to watch a TvZ knowing it won't end stupidly if Broodlord show up.
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On March 01 2013 04:12 Noocta wrote:
It's so refreshing to watch a TvZ knowing it won't end stupidly if Broodlord show up.
I guess you havent seen any TvZ in Hots, because broodlords are dead.
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On March 01 2013 04:12 Lukeeze[zR] wrote:
I see so many zergs playing nothing but ultras late game in hots, some lings/banes wouldnt hurt.
I think Zergs have overestimated the power of Ultras in ZvT still. They are much better, but not to the point where you can just mass them and hope the Terran won't ramp up production of Siege Tanks and Marauders, two units that Polt loves to create in TvZ. BLs still have a role in ZvT, albeit reduced, but they can break siege-lines that Ultras aren't always adept at.
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On March 01 2013 04:13 Ryps wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2013 04:12 Noocta wrote:
It's so refreshing to watch a TvZ knowing it won't end stupidly if Broodlord show up. I guess you havent seen any TvZ in Hots, because broodlords are dead.
That's what I meant !
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Why is Broodlord/Infestor comp so bad? Cuz of Infestor nerf? But fungals weren't nerfed too bad
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On March 01 2013 04:14 BakedButters wrote:
Why is Broodlord/Infestor comp so bad? Cuz of Infestor nerf? But fungals weren't nerfed too bad
New raven demolish it. ( 75 energy 10 range Seeker missile )
So Zerg player need to aim and split if they want to play broodlord infestor.
You can'"t ask that much to zerg players !
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the main thing in tvz is that terran basically gets a lead in every game due to reaper into mine builds, basically the terrans 3rd is up before the zergs while terran has mapcontrol and harass potential as well, everythign afterwards is usually a result of the early lead that terrans get at the moment
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Dead Kittens? You monster.
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Should not have finished the Bunker. :/
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On March 01 2013 04:21 Noocta wrote:
Should not have finished the Bunker. :/
Sorry, but the computer I'm on right now can't work on Twitch for some reason. Did Polt like Bunker rush and finish it?
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On March 01 2013 04:22 PhoenixVoid wrote:Sorry, but the computer I'm on right now can't work on Twitch for some reason. Did Polt like Bunker rush and finish it?
He did his bunker pressure with the reaper
He let the bunker finish and it died 1sec after, the reaper went ouf of the bunker but got stuck between minerals and zergling.
And the reaper didn't kill any drone
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On March 01 2013 04:15 Noocta wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2013 04:14 BakedButters wrote:
Why is Broodlord/Infestor comp so bad? Cuz of Infestor nerf? But fungals weren't nerfed too bad New raven demolish it. ( 75 energy 10 range Seeker missile ) So Zerg player need to aim and split if they want to play broodlord infestor. You can'"t ask that much to zerg players !
Yeah those baddies, when will they learn to stim them Broods and split them like the Terran gods.
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What the hell was that from Dimaga.
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Those banes had a shit life.
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Dimaga's game there was entirely questionable. I guess he felt the pressure.
OH YES TVT!
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lol well that was one sided O.o some very interesting decision from Dimaga. He might have been okay after that failed baneling bust if he had taken the farther away 3rd since he might have had time to et up some defenses etc.
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I assume dimaga had no experience on this map,that's why he took that base.
Anyway GG Polt now let's see a TvT!
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On March 01 2013 04:34 DifuntO wrote:
I assume dimaga had no experience on this map,that's why he took that base.
Anyway GG Polt now let's see a TvT!
From that game it looked like Dimaga had never played SC2 before. That baneling bust was the oddest thing I've ever seen a zerg player do.
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Yea, but I guess he wanted to do like an all-in towards Polt, and filter units through. Expanding away will get harassed by Polt, and he didn't want to deal with that
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Damnit all, I wish some of the non MVP non Kespa korean terrans would actually go mech. I'm never going to get to see my wanted to see mech vs mech until the kespa players swap >_<
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On March 01 2013 04:44 Qikz wrote:
Damnit all, I wish some of the non MVP non Kespa korean terrans would actually go mech. I'm never going to get to see my wanted to see mech vs mech until the kespa players swap >_<
Yeah the lack of mech is disappointing so far, korean terrans are sticking to bio builds no matter what.
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If you watch Thorzain's stream he mechs
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On March 01 2013 04:53 BakedButters wrote:
If you watch Thorzain's stream he mechs
So does Goody, but he's not a korean terran :p
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On March 01 2013 04:50 Lukeeze[zR] wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2013 04:44 Qikz wrote:
Damnit all, I wish some of the non MVP non Kespa korean terrans would actually go mech. I'm never going to get to see my wanted to see mech vs mech until the kespa players swap >_< Yeah the lack of mech is disappointing so far, korean terrans are sticking to bio builds no matter what.
I think they still favor Bio because Bio gives you more control over the game while with Mech you have to be more passive for the most part and you can't ever retreat if you are in a bad position even once.
Mech can be much more unforgiving and therefore frustrating to play.
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Heart is one of Polt true kryptonite. :/
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Now I hope HyuN crushes Heart...
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i came for polt - hyun
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Heart too tricksy for you
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On March 01 2013 04:57 Yello wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2013 04:50 Lukeeze[zR] wrote:On March 01 2013 04:44 Qikz wrote:
Damnit all, I wish some of the non MVP non Kespa korean terrans would actually go mech. I'm never going to get to see my wanted to see mech vs mech until the kespa players swap >_< Yeah the lack of mech is disappointing so far, korean terrans are sticking to bio builds no matter what. I think they still favor Bio because Bio gives you more control over the game while with Mech you have to be more passive for the most part and you can't ever retreat if you are in a bad position even once. Mech can be much more unforgiving and therefore frustrating to play.
Yep, they won't give up on bio that easily after playing it for +2 years. Also, while being factory units, both mines and hellbats mesh well with bio builds, and the new medivac is just perfect when you have those quick korean fingers.
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Dammit Heart! I thought you stopped being a villain after you joined Axiom.
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Let's see how is Heart's TvZ,he didn't play that well in GSTL.
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On March 01 2013 05:02 TotalBiscuit wrote:
Heart too tricksy for you
Haha was well played by Heart.. but I fear he stands little chance against the mighty HyunJwa Good sir
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Never underestimate the power of a proxy ALL the tech build from Heart or JJJ
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On March 01 2013 05:06 Badfatpanda wrote:
Never underestimate the power of a proxy ALL the tech build from Heart or JJJ
Bravo is pretty good at that too, he even proxies the first barracks too.
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Awwww, that cat is so cute :3
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On March 01 2013 05:04 DifuntO wrote:
Let's see how is Heart's TvZ,he didn't play that well in GSTL.
Hyun didn't exactly ooze confidence in ZvT when he streamed recently either.
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I really love watching you Apollo, but I think the stream'd be better if we just 100% focused on Mingles <333
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Don't forget to follow Mingles on twitter @VictoryCat1337
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Heart already going for the 11/11.
Forgot this is HotS, proxy Reaper. Sorry.
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Ahhh, the good old 1/1 Speed Roach timing on Cloud Kingdom.
Perfect defence by HyuN in the early-game, he never invested too much into holding off the Reapers, and he read the game perfectly with great scouting.
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Hyun turns around and basically says, contain? Hah, I'mma go kill you since all you have is widow mines.
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jesus heart had perfect scouting information but reacted so poorly
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On March 01 2013 05:18 Tsubbi wrote:
scouted proxy into 3 cc while containing zerg on 2 base, cool
Make Roaches --> GG
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On March 01 2013 05:21 Tsubbi wrote:
jesus heart had perfect scouting information but reacted so poorly
Perfect scouting? He didn't even see the Roach Warren or the double Evo chambers. Hell, he only saw the Roaches pushing just as they moved up the ramp.
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On March 01 2013 05:23 PhoenixVoid wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2013 05:21 Tsubbi wrote:
jesus heart had perfect scouting information but reacted so poorly Perfect scouting? He didn't even see the Roach Warren or the double Evo chambers. Hell, he only saw the Roaches pushing just as they moved up the ramp.
This, HyuN moved his roaches the long way to avoid being seen by the first watch tower. Heart had very little time to identify the move out.
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Heart is going to lose a lot here, if not the game. Roach Rush with Speedling follow-up is going to annihilate Hellion/Banshee in the early-game.
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HyuN to strong in KotH formats xD
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On March 01 2013 05:30 PhoenixVoid wrote:
KotH=King of the HyuN
Pretty much haha I seriously can't wait for HotS HyuN gonna smash nerds :D
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really nice event Cool way to sign off on the beta, cheers gd studio!
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On March 01 2013 05:30 Lukeeze[zR] wrote:
Underwhelming last match :[
Yeah. Roach don't care.
Thanks for the games and gratz to king HyuN 
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What makes HyuN so scary in TvZ is how much he uses Roach Rushing in the early-game, and this always catches Terrans off-guard and gives him a dominant win.
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Hyun awesome! Fantastic play and total ownage! <3 man
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On March 01 2013 05:33 PhoenixVoid wrote:
What makes HyuN so scary in TvZ is how much he uses Roach Rushing in the early-game, and this always catches Terrans off-guard and gives him a dominant win.
It's good. Terrans can't get 3 bases so easily. So much greed.
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On March 01 2013 05:30 PhoenixVoid wrote:
KotH=King of the HyuN
Oh man... did they alter the format because of HyuN? On day 2 and 3 the reigning king played from game one... but I guess they were afraid we would just see HyuN win 4 more games
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Well there will be a beta thoughts thread so I won't go too in depth but right now SC2 looks good, don't see anything as too OP, if anything there are too many UP units, Blizzard made Hellbats UP apparently, Infestor, Broodlord, weirdly I cannot think of Protoss UP units, they all seem mediocre but all are good for whatever you need.
I hope public opinion doesn't sway to Terran OP because of Polt obviously they can be crushed by just a bunch of Roaches, Reapers are just little buzzy flies only good against players with poor micro, Widow Mines are good but can be dealt with relatively easily with good detection, the way I saw them dealt with actually they may be UP vs. Code S players honestly they swung very little.
Really, I cannot see the vast majority of Terran pros suddenly dominating based on these new units.
Honestly, the new units aren't that powerful IMO I saw plenty of games with just MMM being fine, Zerg still don't use Viper much or Swarm Host.
Basically, Protoss was improved, Zerg may be highly nerfed because they have no BL/Infest, Terran has been nerfed to the point of being only improved by Boostivacs which in the hands of Polt are quite deadly.
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Thanks to everyone who tuned in, was a lot of fun and thanks to the players of course =]
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