On February 08 2013 02:34 Elroi wrote: Bogus is an awesome player, but there is no way he is better than Flash. You shouldn't judge from a league they aren't practicing for... Rather judge from their results and game play in PL, where they are payed to play.
On February 08 2013 02:18 vthree wrote:
On February 08 2013 02:11 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On February 08 2013 02:08 Lukeeze[zR] wrote:
On February 08 2013 02:04 mongmong wrote:
On February 08 2013 01:54 sitromit wrote: By the way, with these results, HerO's chances of making it directly into Code S just disappeared. Bomber is now waiting for him at ro24. Good luck to him in the up and downs. :p
ahahahahahah
Youre judging from Hero's up and down matches arent you? What makes you think Bomber can beat Hero convincingly? Guess what, Polt used to beat the shit out of Hero whenever they met, but it all changed from WCS Korea, not to even mention that Polt got 4-2'd by Hero at NASL. It will be Bo3, so Hero making it wont be a big surprise. Remember its Bo3.
Bomber usually self-explodes in TvT or TvZ, his TvP is his most consistant and fearsome match-up. Not saying bomber will beat hero, but I can't think of a better TvP player right now.
Then again, try thinking of a better PvT player. Rain maybe but other than that?
PartinG, First?
Wasn't First knocked out by an SKT trainee?
Didn't Flash lose to M18M in BW?
No, it was a serious question (i've never heard of first.) Did one of the best pvt players lose in a bo3 against a trainee? thats kind of cool.
Yes, he handled both the 1/1/1s really poorly. First hasn't done well in GSL but he has done well at MLGs and won IEM.
The reason I used the M18M example is because although all of us can probably can agree that Flash was superior to M18M in all aspects of BW (macro, micro, game sense, strategy, etc), it was still possible for Flash to lose (turret cancel) due to a misread or bad decision.
Sure... but if that is what you are saying I don't think it was a very good example. M18M played really well and he fooled Flash: he had studied his scan patterns (!!) before that game and had placed out his buildings accordingly so that flash would read his build wrong.
If Flash really had a scan pattern, I am sure other protosses would have taken advantage of it. If you read player interviews, sometimes strategies just get crossed.
yes!!! Bogus so gosu - so glad he made it, he has obviously been working hard and deserves this. and happy for Taeja too, it was never going to be easy for him and he pulled through. great games all round. go terrans go!
sigh...my fav player left in the GSL got knocked out. I really want to criticize DRG's playstyle but I just don't know how. Once he loses momentum in his games he just gets inched out bit by bit. Is it a flaw of his muta/ling/bane midgame? It really seems like you need to keep an advantage with that style, staying even isn't enough. DRG plays it so god damn well though and it's a much more fun unit comp to watch. idk. fuck. just...fuck.
On February 08 2013 04:05 Tachion wrote: sigh...my fav player left in the GSL got knocked out. I really want to criticize DRG's playstyle but I just don't know how. Once he loses momentum in his games he just gets inched out bit by bit. Is it a flaw of his muta/ling/bane midgame? It really seems like you need to keep an advantage with that style, staying even isn't enough. DRG plays it so god damn well though and it's a much more fun unit comp to watch. idk. fuck. just...fuck.
1 Mistake can cost you the game with ling/bling/muta. Thats why its easy to lose a game fast. Look at the last game of taeja vs DRG
On February 08 2013 01:34 vthree wrote: The funny thing is, the 'elephants' get brought up everytime there is a Kespa win. But the people who post that don't realize that unless Code S is 30/32 Kespa, the article won't be validated.
I think we all know that isn't true. There have been many instances where the better player didn't move on in GSL. The format, whether or not the players are accustomed to the format, the condition of the players on the day, and previous results (due to seeding and so on) has a large impact on who is in Code S. Requiring that the vast majority of eSF players be ousted rapidly is very unrealistic.
Hmm? 99% of the BW fanboys were saying TBLS would dominate within a month of switch.
but ... but ... sc2 is such an easy game !
And yes i remember those story's 1 month became 3 and so forth and so forth.
SC2 without a doubt is a much easier game then BW. Try rallying 8 buildings in Brood War then try rallying 8 buildings in SC2 and tell me which is easier. Also, the game being easier makes it harder for mechanically better players because a lot of their strengths have been stripped away. Ex: Clicking each and every barracks separately and pressing m to build a marine rapidly vs selecting all barracks at once and spamming mmmmmmm. Big difference there buddy. Try it.
No game is easier because you compete with other players, not the computer. I like the fact the mechanically slower player can out think and win against faster player (nestea vs mkp). Strategies and mind-games become more important in SC2. That's also why judging player in BO1 format is silly. Bogus is clearly the best Kespa Terran right now despite his pl result
I wasn't stating that SC2 is easier in the competitive department. I stated that SC2 is easier in terms of mechanics department. It's a lot less mechanically demanding them BW was. Smart Casting is an example of what makes SC2 easier mechanically. There are a lot more things that make the game easier mechanically but, I won't get into that. You get the drift.
On February 08 2013 01:34 vthree wrote: The funny thing is, the 'elephants' get brought up everytime there is a Kespa win. But the people who post that don't realize that unless Code S is 30/32 Kespa, the article won't be validated.
I think we all know that isn't true. There have been many instances where the better player didn't move on in GSL. The format, whether or not the players are accustomed to the format, the condition of the players on the day, and previous results (due to seeding and so on) has a large impact on who is in Code S. Requiring that the vast majority of eSF players be ousted rapidly is very unrealistic.
Hmm? 99% of the BW fanboys were saying TBLS would dominate within a month of switch.
but ... but ... sc2 is such an easy game !
And yes i remember those story's 1 month became 3 and so forth and so forth.
SC2 without a doubt is a much easier game then BW. Try rallying 8 buildings in Brood War then try rallying 8 buildings in SC2 and tell me which is easier. Also, the game being easier makes it harder for mechanically better players because a lot of their strengths have been stripped away. Ex: Clicking each and every barracks separately and pressing m to build a marine rapidly vs selecting all barracks at once and spamming mmmmmmm. Big difference there buddy. Try it.
It's an RTS buddy, and i know Broodwar i have played it for ages and am still shit at it. I have a lot of respect for the BW pro's but more mechanical options and useless AI in BW does not make SC2 in return is an easy game. Mechanics are only part of the game. In BW those were dominant here in Sc2 they are less so.
You just agreed what I stated. Your last line was all I was saying. People take things way out of context and turn it into something that it wasn't.
On February 08 2013 01:34 vthree wrote: The funny thing is, the 'elephants' get brought up everytime there is a Kespa win. But the people who post that don't realize that unless Code S is 30/32 Kespa, the article won't be validated.
I think we all know that isn't true. There have been many instances where the better player didn't move on in GSL. The format, whether or not the players are accustomed to the format, the condition of the players on the day, and previous results (due to seeding and so on) has a large impact on who is in Code S. Requiring that the vast majority of eSF players be ousted rapidly is very unrealistic.
Hmm? 99% of the BW fanboys were saying TBLS would dominate within a month of switch.
but ... but ... sc2 is such an easy game !
And yes i remember those story's 1 month became 3 and so forth and so forth.
SC2 without a doubt is a much easier game then BW. Try rallying 8 buildings in Brood War then try rallying 8 buildings in SC2 and tell me which is easier. Also, the game being easier makes it harder for mechanically better players because a lot of their strengths have been stripped away. Ex: Clicking each and every barracks separately and pressing m to build a marine rapidly vs selecting all barracks at once and spamming mmmmmmm. Big difference there buddy. Try it.
This is such a stupid argument. Skating on ice is also mechanically harder than running. Does that mean hockey is the 'superior' game and hockey players are superior to soccer players?
This argument only makes sense if someone is playing with BW game mechanics vs someone with SC2 game mechanics. It is like saying sc2 Zerg > BW Zerg because BW zergs don't have to spread creep.
I loled at this post here. vthree definitely knows how to give me a great laugh. So, you're saying that smart casting storm isn't easier vs boxing each Templar separately and pressing the storm hot key then selecting where to storm? Lol, I guess this means that 1a+click is as easy as 1a+click+2a+click+3a+click+4a+click+5a+click huh?
On February 08 2013 01:34 vthree wrote: The funny thing is, the 'elephants' get brought up everytime there is a Kespa win. But the people who post that don't realize that unless Code S is 30/32 Kespa, the article won't be validated.
I think we all know that isn't true. There have been many instances where the better player didn't move on in GSL. The format, whether or not the players are accustomed to the format, the condition of the players on the day, and previous results (due to seeding and so on) has a large impact on who is in Code S. Requiring that the vast majority of eSF players be ousted rapidly is very unrealistic.
Hmm? 99% of the BW fanboys were saying TBLS would dominate within a month of switch.
but ... but ... sc2 is such an easy game !
And yes i remember those story's 1 month became 3 and so forth and so forth.
SC2 without a doubt is a much easier game then BW. Try rallying 8 buildings in Brood War then try rallying 8 buildings in SC2 and tell me which is easier. Also, the game being easier makes it harder for mechanically better players because a lot of their strengths have been stripped away. Ex: Clicking each and every barracks separately and pressing m to build a marine rapidly vs selecting all barracks at once and spamming mmmmmmm. Big difference there buddy. Try it.
This is such a stupid argument. Skating on ice is also mechanically harder than running. Does that mean hockey is the 'superior' game and hockey players are superior to soccer players?
This argument only makes sense if someone is playing with BW game mechanics vs someone with SC2 game mechanics. It is like saying sc2 Zerg > BW Zerg because BW zergs don't have to spread creep.
I loled at this post here. vthree definitely knows how to give me a great laugh. So, you're saying that smart casting storm isn't easier vs boxing each Templar separately and pressing the storm hot key then selecting where to storm? Lol, I guess this means that 1a+click is as easy as 1a+click+2a+click+3a+click+4a+click+5a+click huh?
Yes, there's nothing more to Starcraft than casting storms.
On February 08 2013 01:34 vthree wrote: The funny thing is, the 'elephants' get brought up everytime there is a Kespa win. But the people who post that don't realize that unless Code S is 30/32 Kespa, the article won't be validated.
I think we all know that isn't true. There have been many instances where the better player didn't move on in GSL. The format, whether or not the players are accustomed to the format, the condition of the players on the day, and previous results (due to seeding and so on) has a large impact on who is in Code S. Requiring that the vast majority of eSF players be ousted rapidly is very unrealistic.
Hmm? 99% of the BW fanboys were saying TBLS would dominate within a month of switch.
but ... but ... sc2 is such an easy game !
And yes i remember those story's 1 month became 3 and so forth and so forth.
SC2 without a doubt is a much easier game then BW. Try rallying 8 buildings in Brood War then try rallying 8 buildings in SC2 and tell me which is easier. Also, the game being easier makes it harder for mechanically better players because a lot of their strengths have been stripped away. Ex: Clicking each and every barracks separately and pressing m to build a marine rapidly vs selecting all barracks at once and spamming mmmmmmm. Big difference there buddy. Try it.
This is such a stupid argument. Skating on ice is also mechanically harder than running. Does that mean hockey is the 'superior' game and hockey players are superior to soccer players?
This argument only makes sense if someone is playing with BW game mechanics vs someone with SC2 game mechanics. It is like saying sc2 Zerg > BW Zerg because BW zergs don't have to spread creep.
I loled at this post here. vthree definitely knows how to give me a great laugh. So, you're saying that smart casting storm isn't easier vs boxing each Templar separately and pressing the storm hot key then selecting where to storm? Lol, I guess this means that 1a+click is as easy as 1a+click+2a+click+3a+click+4a+click+5a+click huh?
Yes, there's nothing more to Starcraft than casting storms.
It's a mere example smart one and it wasn't directed at you. So, I suggest you see yourself out of the conversation.
On February 08 2013 01:34 vthree wrote: The funny thing is, the 'elephants' get brought up everytime there is a Kespa win. But the people who post that don't realize that unless Code S is 30/32 Kespa, the article won't be validated.
I think we all know that isn't true. There have been many instances where the better player didn't move on in GSL. The format, whether or not the players are accustomed to the format, the condition of the players on the day, and previous results (due to seeding and so on) has a large impact on who is in Code S. Requiring that the vast majority of eSF players be ousted rapidly is very unrealistic.
Hmm? 99% of the BW fanboys were saying TBLS would dominate within a month of switch.
but ... but ... sc2 is such an easy game !
And yes i remember those story's 1 month became 3 and so forth and so forth.
SC2 without a doubt is a much easier game then BW. Try rallying 8 buildings in Brood War then try rallying 8 buildings in SC2 and tell me which is easier. Also, the game being easier makes it harder for mechanically better players because a lot of their strengths have been stripped away. Ex: Clicking each and every barracks separately and pressing m to build a marine rapidly vs selecting all barracks at once and spamming mmmmmmm. Big difference there buddy. Try it.
This is such a stupid argument. Skating on ice is also mechanically harder than running. Does that mean hockey is the 'superior' game and hockey players are superior to soccer players?
This argument only makes sense if someone is playing with BW game mechanics vs someone with SC2 game mechanics. It is like saying sc2 Zerg > BW Zerg because BW zergs don't have to spread creep.
I loled at this post here. vthree definitely knows how to give me a great laugh. So, you're saying that smart casting storm isn't easier vs boxing each Templar separately and pressing the storm hot key then selecting where to storm? Lol, I guess this means that 1a+click is as easy as 1a+click+2a+click+3a+click+4a+click+5a+click huh?
Yes, there's nothing more to Starcraft than casting storms.
It's a mere example smart one and it wasn't directed at you. So, I suggest you see yourself out of the conversation.
Please watch this video:
There are reason's that SC2 is not as fun as BW but "mechanical difficulty" by itself is not the reason.
On February 08 2013 01:34 vthree wrote: The funny thing is, the 'elephants' get brought up everytime there is a Kespa win. But the people who post that don't realize that unless Code S is 30/32 Kespa, the article won't be validated.
I think we all know that isn't true. There have been many instances where the better player didn't move on in GSL. The format, whether or not the players are accustomed to the format, the condition of the players on the day, and previous results (due to seeding and so on) has a large impact on who is in Code S. Requiring that the vast majority of eSF players be ousted rapidly is very unrealistic.
Hmm? 99% of the BW fanboys were saying TBLS would dominate within a month of switch.
but ... but ... sc2 is such an easy game !
And yes i remember those story's 1 month became 3 and so forth and so forth.
SC2 without a doubt is a much easier game then BW. Try rallying 8 buildings in Brood War then try rallying 8 buildings in SC2 and tell me which is easier. Also, the game being easier makes it harder for mechanically better players because a lot of their strengths have been stripped away. Ex: Clicking each and every barracks separately and pressing m to build a marine rapidly vs selecting all barracks at once and spamming mmmmmmm. Big difference there buddy. Try it.
This is such a stupid argument. Skating on ice is also mechanically harder than running. Does that mean hockey is the 'superior' game and hockey players are superior to soccer players?
This argument only makes sense if someone is playing with BW game mechanics vs someone with SC2 game mechanics. It is like saying sc2 Zerg > BW Zerg because BW zergs don't have to spread creep.
I loled at this post here. vthree definitely knows how to give me a great laugh. So, you're saying that smart casting storm isn't easier vs boxing each Templar separately and pressing the storm hot key then selecting where to storm? Lol, I guess this means that 1a+click is as easy as 1a+click+2a+click+3a+click+4a+click+5a+click huh?
Yes, there's nothing more to Starcraft than casting storms.
It's a mere example smart one and it wasn't directed at you. So, I suggest you see yourself out of the conversation.
I 'd just like to point out that you're posting in a thread for everyone to see and reply to. If you want to have a conversation in which others can't have their say then take it privately.
Also excited to see that the players that were voted least likely to get through (on gomtv poll) managed to take the group.
On February 08 2013 05:15 opterown wrote: DRG is the new bomber, always disappointing unless it's to set up another disappointment
As a DRG fan I'm starting to believe this is true =(
"Oh hey guys, look I'm back in flawless form, did you see me vs Bomber" "Yeah DRG, you're undefeatable!" "Ok cool. Now that you're suitably hyped~" *heartbreak*
EPT
(i've never heard of first.) Did one of the best pvt players lose in a bo3 against a trainee? thats kind of cool. 
