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dayummm TaeJa and BoGus do work son
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On February 08 2013 02:08 Lukeeze[zR] wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2013 02:04 mongmong wrote:On February 08 2013 01:54 sitromit wrote:
By the way, with these results, HerO's chances of making it directly into Code S just disappeared. Bomber is now waiting for him at ro24. Good luck to him in the up and downs. :p ahahahahahah Youre judging from Hero's up and down matches arent you? What makes you think Bomber can beat Hero convincingly? Guess what, Polt used to beat the shit out of Hero whenever they met, but it all changed from WCS Korea, not to even mention that Polt got 4-2'd by Hero at NASL. It will be Bo3, so Hero making it wont be a big surprise. Remember its Bo3. Bomber usually self-explodes in TvT or TvZ, his TvP is his most consistant and fearsome match-up. Not saying bomber will beat hero, but I can't think of a better TvP player right now.
Then again, try thinking of a better PvT player. Rain maybe but other than that?
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On February 08 2013 02:08 Lukeeze[zR] wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2013 02:04 mongmong wrote:On February 08 2013 01:54 sitromit wrote:
By the way, with these results, HerO's chances of making it directly into Code S just disappeared. Bomber is now waiting for him at ro24. Good luck to him in the up and downs. :p ahahahahahah Youre judging from Hero's up and down matches arent you? What makes you think Bomber can beat Hero convincingly? Guess what, Polt used to beat the shit out of Hero whenever they met, but it all changed from WCS Korea, not to even mention that Polt got 4-2'd by Hero at NASL. It will be Bo3, so Hero making it wont be a big surprise. Remember its Bo3. Bomber usually self-explodes in TvT or TvZ, his TvP is his most consistant and fearsome match-up. Not saying bomber will beat hero, but I can't think of a better TvP player right now.
Same goes for Hero. His PvT is most consistent, solid match up. His strength kicks in when its BO3 or more. The mind
games and various builds he uses to trick his opponents are actually sick.
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On February 08 2013 02:11 DarkLordOlli wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2013 02:08 Lukeeze[zR] wrote:On February 08 2013 02:04 mongmong wrote:On February 08 2013 01:54 sitromit wrote:
By the way, with these results, HerO's chances of making it directly into Code S just disappeared. Bomber is now waiting for him at ro24. Good luck to him in the up and downs. :p ahahahahahah Youre judging from Hero's up and down matches arent you? What makes you think Bomber can beat Hero convincingly? Guess what, Polt used to beat the shit out of Hero whenever they met, but it all changed from WCS Korea, not to even mention that Polt got 4-2'd by Hero at NASL. It will be Bo3, so Hero making it wont be a big surprise. Remember its Bo3. Bomber usually self-explodes in TvT or TvZ, his TvP is his most consistant and fearsome match-up. Not saying bomber will beat hero, but I can't think of a better TvP player right now. Then again, try thinking of a better PvT player. Rain maybe but other than that?
PartinG, First?
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On February 08 2013 02:11 DarkLordOlli wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2013 02:08 Lukeeze[zR] wrote:On February 08 2013 02:04 mongmong wrote:On February 08 2013 01:54 sitromit wrote:
By the way, with these results, HerO's chances of making it directly into Code S just disappeared. Bomber is now waiting for him at ro24. Good luck to him in the up and downs. :p ahahahahahah Youre judging from Hero's up and down matches arent you? What makes you think Bomber can beat Hero convincingly? Guess what, Polt used to beat the shit out of Hero whenever they met, but it all changed from WCS Korea, not to even mention that Polt got 4-2'd by Hero at NASL. It will be Bo3, so Hero making it wont be a big surprise. Remember its Bo3. Bomber usually self-explodes in TvT or TvZ, his TvP is his most consistant and fearsome match-up. Not saying bomber will beat hero, but I can't think of a better TvP player right now. Then again, try thinking of a better PvT player. Rain maybe but other than that?
Creator ? He was looking prity good vs Terran.
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LOL mr. cocky who picked terrans gets thrown out of his group
does only 1 thing, take free bases, bust and 1a
can imagine his face vs bogus
"wtf?? my 1a isnt working! u mean i actually have to split my army and micro?"
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On February 08 2013 02:18 vthree wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2013 02:11 DarkLordOlli wrote:On February 08 2013 02:08 Lukeeze[zR] wrote:On February 08 2013 02:04 mongmong wrote:On February 08 2013 01:54 sitromit wrote:
By the way, with these results, HerO's chances of making it directly into Code S just disappeared. Bomber is now waiting for him at ro24. Good luck to him in the up and downs. :p ahahahahahah Youre judging from Hero's up and down matches arent you? What makes you think Bomber can beat Hero convincingly? Guess what, Polt used to beat the shit out of Hero whenever they met, but it all changed from WCS Korea, not to even mention that Polt got 4-2'd by Hero at NASL. It will be Bo3, so Hero making it wont be a big surprise. Remember its Bo3. Bomber usually self-explodes in TvT or TvZ, his TvP is his most consistant and fearsome match-up. Not saying bomber will beat hero, but I can't think of a better TvP player right now. Then again, try thinking of a better PvT player. Rain maybe but other than that? PartinG, First?
Are both not better than HerO at the matchup. Especially not Parting currently and First just got 1/1/1d twice out of Ro48. Could make a case for Creator but I haven't seen his vT in a long time.
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On February 08 2013 02:11 DarkLordOlli wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2013 02:08 Lukeeze[zR] wrote:On February 08 2013 02:04 mongmong wrote:On February 08 2013 01:54 sitromit wrote:
By the way, with these results, HerO's chances of making it directly into Code S just disappeared. Bomber is now waiting for him at ro24. Good luck to him in the up and downs. :p ahahahahahah Youre judging from Hero's up and down matches arent you? What makes you think Bomber can beat Hero convincingly? Guess what, Polt used to beat the shit out of Hero whenever they met, but it all changed from WCS Korea, not to even mention that Polt got 4-2'd by Hero at NASL. It will be Bo3, so Hero making it wont be a big surprise. Remember its Bo3. Bomber usually self-explodes in TvT or TvZ, his TvP is his most consistant and fearsome match-up. Not saying bomber will beat hero, but I can't think of a better TvP player right now. Then again, try thinking of a better PvT player. Rain maybe but other than that?
IMFirst...
Nobody else could beat TaejavP during the Prince's reign
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On February 08 2013 02:21 DarkLordOlli wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2013 02:18 vthree wrote:On February 08 2013 02:11 DarkLordOlli wrote:On February 08 2013 02:08 Lukeeze[zR] wrote:On February 08 2013 02:04 mongmong wrote:On February 08 2013 01:54 sitromit wrote:
By the way, with these results, HerO's chances of making it directly into Code S just disappeared. Bomber is now waiting for him at ro24. Good luck to him in the up and downs. :p ahahahahahah Youre judging from Hero's up and down matches arent you? What makes you think Bomber can beat Hero convincingly? Guess what, Polt used to beat the shit out of Hero whenever they met, but it all changed from WCS Korea, not to even mention that Polt got 4-2'd by Hero at NASL. It will be Bo3, so Hero making it wont be a big surprise. Remember its Bo3. Bomber usually self-explodes in TvT or TvZ, his TvP is his most consistant and fearsome match-up. Not saying bomber will beat hero, but I can't think of a better TvP player right now. Then again, try thinking of a better PvT player. Rain maybe but other than that? PartinG, First? Are both not better than HerO at the matchup. Especially not Parting currently and First just got 1/1/1d twice out of Ro48. Could make a case for Creator but I haven't seen his vT in a long time.
That parting boy exchanged his godly pvt for Soul train. Cant get both, gotta be an opportunity cost somehow 
You made a very good point. What Hero really amazes me is that he is extremely good at holding timing attacks/early aggression/1/1/1ish all in. The way he splits his army and uses flanks to eliminate terran army is just... beautiful..
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On February 08 2013 02:27 GTPGlitch wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2013 02:11 DarkLordOlli wrote:On February 08 2013 02:08 Lukeeze[zR] wrote:On February 08 2013 02:04 mongmong wrote:On February 08 2013 01:54 sitromit wrote:
By the way, with these results, HerO's chances of making it directly into Code S just disappeared. Bomber is now waiting for him at ro24. Good luck to him in the up and downs. :p ahahahahahah Youre judging from Hero's up and down matches arent you? What makes you think Bomber can beat Hero convincingly? Guess what, Polt used to beat the shit out of Hero whenever they met, but it all changed from WCS Korea, not to even mention that Polt got 4-2'd by Hero at NASL. It will be Bo3, so Hero making it wont be a big surprise. Remember its Bo3. Bomber usually self-explodes in TvT or TvZ, his TvP is his most consistant and fearsome match-up. Not saying bomber will beat hero, but I can't think of a better TvP player right now. Then again, try thinking of a better PvT player. Rain maybe but other than that? IMFirst... Nobody else could beat TaejavP during the Prince's reign
I remember that MLG but that was at the very end of his reign. Crank had beaten him before. The thing is, First just got 1/1/1d out. I can't even remember the last time someone successfully 1/1/1d HerO in a televised match. HerO doesn't have a real weakness in the matchup while others (like First, Parting, Squirtle) seem to have something that can be exploited.
I don't even know wtf it is with Parting. Maybe his style just got figured out and his PvT was a one hit wonder, who knows.
Well, the point I'm trying to make is you can never ever ever count HerO out of any match, no matter who he's playing.
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Bogus is an awesome player, but there is no way he is better than Flash. You shouldn't judge from a league they aren't practicing for... Rather judge from their results and game play in PL, where they are payed to play.
On February 08 2013 02:18 vthree wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2013 02:11 DarkLordOlli wrote:On February 08 2013 02:08 Lukeeze[zR] wrote:On February 08 2013 02:04 mongmong wrote:On February 08 2013 01:54 sitromit wrote:
By the way, with these results, HerO's chances of making it directly into Code S just disappeared. Bomber is now waiting for him at ro24. Good luck to him in the up and downs. :p ahahahahahah Youre judging from Hero's up and down matches arent you? What makes you think Bomber can beat Hero convincingly? Guess what, Polt used to beat the shit out of Hero whenever they met, but it all changed from WCS Korea, not to even mention that Polt got 4-2'd by Hero at NASL. It will be Bo3, so Hero making it wont be a big surprise. Remember its Bo3. Bomber usually self-explodes in TvT or TvZ, his TvP is his most consistant and fearsome match-up. Not saying bomber will beat hero, but I can't think of a better TvP player right now. Then again, try thinking of a better PvT player. Rain maybe but other than that? PartinG, First?
Wasn't First knocked out by an SKT trainee?
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On February 08 2013 02:10 Lysanias wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2013 02:07 mongmong wrote:On February 08 2013 01:59 lolmlg wrote:On February 08 2013 01:34 vthree wrote:
The funny thing is, the 'elephants' get brought up everytime there is a Kespa win. But the people who post that don't realize that unless Code S is 30/32 Kespa, the article won't be validated.
I think we all know that isn't true. There have been many instances where the better player didn't move on in GSL. The format, whether or not the players are accustomed to the format, the condition of the players on the day, and previous results (due to seeding and so on) has a large impact on who is in Code S. Requiring that the vast majority of eSF players be ousted rapidly is very unrealistic. Hmm? 99% of the BW fanboys were saying TBLS would dominate within a month of switch. but ... but ... sc2 is such an easy game ! And yes i remember those story's 1 month became 3 and so forth and so forth.
SC2 without a doubt is a much easier game then BW. Try rallying 8 buildings in Brood War then try rallying 8 buildings in SC2 and tell me which is easier. Also, the game being easier makes it harder for mechanically better players because a lot of their strengths have been stripped away. Ex: Clicking each and every barracks separately and pressing m to build a marine rapidly vs selecting all barracks at once and spamming mmmmmmm. Big difference there buddy. Try it.
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On February 08 2013 02:34 Elroi wrote:Bogus is an awesome player, but there is no way he is better than Flash. You shouldn't judge from a league they aren't practicing for... Rather judge from their results and game play in PL, where they are payed to play. Show nested quote +On February 08 2013 02:18 vthree wrote:On February 08 2013 02:11 DarkLordOlli wrote:On February 08 2013 02:08 Lukeeze[zR] wrote:On February 08 2013 02:04 mongmong wrote:On February 08 2013 01:54 sitromit wrote:
By the way, with these results, HerO's chances of making it directly into Code S just disappeared. Bomber is now waiting for him at ro24. Good luck to him in the up and downs. :p ahahahahahah Youre judging from Hero's up and down matches arent you? What makes you think Bomber can beat Hero convincingly? Guess what, Polt used to beat the shit out of Hero whenever they met, but it all changed from WCS Korea, not to even mention that Polt got 4-2'd by Hero at NASL. It will be Bo3, so Hero making it wont be a big surprise. Remember its Bo3. Bomber usually self-explodes in TvT or TvZ, his TvP is his most consistant and fearsome match-up. Not saying bomber will beat hero, but I can't think of a better TvP player right now. Then again, try thinking of a better PvT player. Rain maybe but other than that? PartinG, First? Wasn't First knocked out by an SKT trainee?
Didn't Flash lose to M18M in BW?
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On February 08 2013 02:35 BlazeFury01 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2013 02:10 Lysanias wrote:On February 08 2013 02:07 mongmong wrote:On February 08 2013 01:59 lolmlg wrote:On February 08 2013 01:34 vthree wrote:
The funny thing is, the 'elephants' get brought up everytime there is a Kespa win. But the people who post that don't realize that unless Code S is 30/32 Kespa, the article won't be validated.
I think we all know that isn't true. There have been many instances where the better player didn't move on in GSL. The format, whether or not the players are accustomed to the format, the condition of the players on the day, and previous results (due to seeding and so on) has a large impact on who is in Code S. Requiring that the vast majority of eSF players be ousted rapidly is very unrealistic. Hmm? 99% of the BW fanboys were saying TBLS would dominate within a month of switch. but ... but ... sc2 is such an easy game ! And yes i remember those story's 1 month became 3 and so forth and so forth. SC2 without a doubt is a much easier game then BW. Try rallying 8 buildings in Brood War then try rallying 8 buildings in SC2 and tell me which is easier. Also, the game being easier makes it harder for mechanically better players because a lot of their strengths have been stripped away.
Ah but Kespa's just gonna dominate anyway. Because logic.
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On February 08 2013 02:32 DarkLordOlli wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2013 02:27 GTPGlitch wrote:On February 08 2013 02:11 DarkLordOlli wrote:On February 08 2013 02:08 Lukeeze[zR] wrote:On February 08 2013 02:04 mongmong wrote:On February 08 2013 01:54 sitromit wrote:
By the way, with these results, HerO's chances of making it directly into Code S just disappeared. Bomber is now waiting for him at ro24. Good luck to him in the up and downs. :p ahahahahahah Youre judging from Hero's up and down matches arent you? What makes you think Bomber can beat Hero convincingly? Guess what, Polt used to beat the shit out of Hero whenever they met, but it all changed from WCS Korea, not to even mention that Polt got 4-2'd by Hero at NASL. It will be Bo3, so Hero making it wont be a big surprise. Remember its Bo3. Bomber usually self-explodes in TvT or TvZ, his TvP is his most consistant and fearsome match-up. Not saying bomber will beat hero, but I can't think of a better TvP player right now. Then again, try thinking of a better PvT player. Rain maybe but other than that? IMFirst... Nobody else could beat TaejavP during the Prince's reign I remember that MLG but that was at the very end of his reign. Crank had beaten him before. The thing is, First just got 1/1/1d out. I can't even remember the last time someone successfully 1/1/1d HerO in a televised match. HerO doesn't have a real weakness in the matchup while others (like First, Parting, Squirtle) seem to have something that can be exploited. I don't even know wtf it is with Parting. Maybe his style just got figured out and his PvT was a one hit wonder, who knows. Well, the point I'm trying to make is you can never ever ever count HerO out of any match, no matter who he's playing.
Well, Bomber and ByuN exploited HerO in the U&D. No one is 'unbeatable'.
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On February 08 2013 02:37 DarkLordOlli wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2013 02:35 BlazeFury01 wrote:On February 08 2013 02:10 Lysanias wrote:On February 08 2013 02:07 mongmong wrote:On February 08 2013 01:59 lolmlg wrote:On February 08 2013 01:34 vthree wrote:
The funny thing is, the 'elephants' get brought up everytime there is a Kespa win. But the people who post that don't realize that unless Code S is 30/32 Kespa, the article won't be validated.
I think we all know that isn't true. There have been many instances where the better player didn't move on in GSL. The format, whether or not the players are accustomed to the format, the condition of the players on the day, and previous results (due to seeding and so on) has a large impact on who is in Code S. Requiring that the vast majority of eSF players be ousted rapidly is very unrealistic. Hmm? 99% of the BW fanboys were saying TBLS would dominate within a month of switch. but ... but ... sc2 is such an easy game ! And yes i remember those story's 1 month became 3 and so forth and so forth. SC2 without a doubt is a much easier game then BW. Try rallying 8 buildings in Brood War then try rallying 8 buildings in SC2 and tell me which is easier. Also, the game being easier makes it harder for mechanically better players because a lot of their strengths have been stripped away. Ah but Kespa's just gonna dominate anyway. Because logic.
Your comment had nothing to do with what I was addressing. But since you want to go there, all I can say is that time will tell. You may be having all laughs and giggles but keep in mind this is only WoL there are still 2 more expansions to be released.
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On February 08 2013 02:39 vthree wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2013 02:32 DarkLordOlli wrote:On February 08 2013 02:27 GTPGlitch wrote:On February 08 2013 02:11 DarkLordOlli wrote:On February 08 2013 02:08 Lukeeze[zR] wrote:On February 08 2013 02:04 mongmong wrote:On February 08 2013 01:54 sitromit wrote:
By the way, with these results, HerO's chances of making it directly into Code S just disappeared. Bomber is now waiting for him at ro24. Good luck to him in the up and downs. :p ahahahahahah Youre judging from Hero's up and down matches arent you? What makes you think Bomber can beat Hero convincingly? Guess what, Polt used to beat the shit out of Hero whenever they met, but it all changed from WCS Korea, not to even mention that Polt got 4-2'd by Hero at NASL. It will be Bo3, so Hero making it wont be a big surprise. Remember its Bo3. Bomber usually self-explodes in TvT or TvZ, his TvP is his most consistant and fearsome match-up. Not saying bomber will beat hero, but I can't think of a better TvP player right now. Then again, try thinking of a better PvT player. Rain maybe but other than that? IMFirst... Nobody else could beat TaejavP during the Prince's reign I remember that MLG but that was at the very end of his reign. Crank had beaten him before. The thing is, First just got 1/1/1d out. I can't even remember the last time someone successfully 1/1/1d HerO in a televised match. HerO doesn't have a real weakness in the matchup while others (like First, Parting, Squirtle) seem to have something that can be exploited. I don't even know wtf it is with Parting. Maybe his style just got figured out and his PvT was a one hit wonder, who knows. Well, the point I'm trying to make is you can never ever ever count HerO out of any match, no matter who he's playing. Well, Bomber and ByuN exploited HerO in the U&D. No one is 'unbeatable'.
Wouldn't say they exploited any weaknesses in his overall play. The game vs Byun was incredibly close for a very long time. Bomber went with a very good build vs what HerO did and executed it very well. Of course he's not unbeatable, there's just no real holes in his PvT. That may be the same for Bomber so of course I'm not saying HerO's unbeatable.
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On February 08 2013 02:35 BlazeFury01 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2013 02:10 Lysanias wrote:On February 08 2013 02:07 mongmong wrote:On February 08 2013 01:59 lolmlg wrote:On February 08 2013 01:34 vthree wrote:
The funny thing is, the 'elephants' get brought up everytime there is a Kespa win. But the people who post that don't realize that unless Code S is 30/32 Kespa, the article won't be validated.
I think we all know that isn't true. There have been many instances where the better player didn't move on in GSL. The format, whether or not the players are accustomed to the format, the condition of the players on the day, and previous results (due to seeding and so on) has a large impact on who is in Code S. Requiring that the vast majority of eSF players be ousted rapidly is very unrealistic. Hmm? 99% of the BW fanboys were saying TBLS would dominate within a month of switch. but ... but ... sc2 is such an easy game ! And yes i remember those story's 1 month became 3 and so forth and so forth. SC2 without a doubt is a much easier game then BW. Try rallying 8 buildings in Brood War then try rallying 8 buildings in SC2 and tell me which is easier. Also, the game being easier makes it harder for mechanically better players because a lot of their strengths have been stripped away. Ex: Clicking each and every barracks separately and pressing m to build a marine rapidly vs selecting all barracks at once and spamming mmmmmmm. Big difference there buddy. Try it.
No game is easier because you compete with other players, not the computer. I like the fact the mechanically slower player can out think and win against faster player (nestea vs mkp). Strategies and mind-games become more important in SC2. That's also why judging player in BO1 format is silly. Bogus is clearly the best Kespa Terran right now despite his pl result
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On February 08 2013 02:35 BlazeFury01 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2013 02:10 Lysanias wrote:On February 08 2013 02:07 mongmong wrote:On February 08 2013 01:59 lolmlg wrote:On February 08 2013 01:34 vthree wrote:
The funny thing is, the 'elephants' get brought up everytime there is a Kespa win. But the people who post that don't realize that unless Code S is 30/32 Kespa, the article won't be validated.
I think we all know that isn't true. There have been many instances where the better player didn't move on in GSL. The format, whether or not the players are accustomed to the format, the condition of the players on the day, and previous results (due to seeding and so on) has a large impact on who is in Code S. Requiring that the vast majority of eSF players be ousted rapidly is very unrealistic. Hmm? 99% of the BW fanboys were saying TBLS would dominate within a month of switch. but ... but ... sc2 is such an easy game ! And yes i remember those story's 1 month became 3 and so forth and so forth. SC2 without a doubt is a much easier game then BW. Try rallying 8 buildings in Brood War then try rallying 8 buildings in SC2 and tell me which is easier. Also, the game being easier makes it harder for mechanically better players because a lot of their strengths have been stripped away. Ex: Clicking each and every barracks separately and pressing m to build a marine rapidly vs selecting all barracks at once and spamming mmmmmmm. Big difference there buddy. Try it.
This is such a stupid argument. Skating on ice is also mechanically harder than running. Does that mean hockey is the 'superior' game and hockey players are superior to soccer players?
This argument only makes sense if someone is playing with BW game mechanics vs someone with SC2 game mechanics. It is like saying sc2 Zerg > BW Zerg because BW zergs don't have to spread creep.
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