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Olli
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On February 08 2013 02:41 BlazeFury01 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2013 02:37 DarkLordOlli wrote:On February 08 2013 02:35 BlazeFury01 wrote:On February 08 2013 02:10 Lysanias wrote:On February 08 2013 02:07 mongmong wrote:On February 08 2013 01:59 lolmlg wrote:On February 08 2013 01:34 vthree wrote:
The funny thing is, the 'elephants' get brought up everytime there is a Kespa win. But the people who post that don't realize that unless Code S is 30/32 Kespa, the article won't be validated.
I think we all know that isn't true. There have been many instances where the better player didn't move on in GSL. The format, whether or not the players are accustomed to the format, the condition of the players on the day, and previous results (due to seeding and so on) has a large impact on who is in Code S. Requiring that the vast majority of eSF players be ousted rapidly is very unrealistic. Hmm? 99% of the BW fanboys were saying TBLS would dominate within a month of switch. but ... but ... sc2 is such an easy game ! And yes i remember those story's 1 month became 3 and so forth and so forth. SC2 without a doubt is a much easier game then BW. Try rallying 8 buildings in Brood War then try rallying 8 buildings in SC2 and tell me which is easier. Also, the game being easier makes it harder for mechanically better players because a lot of their strengths have been stripped away. Ah but Kespa's just gonna dominate anyway. Because logic. Your comment had nothing to do with what I was addressing. But since you want to go there, all I can say is that time will tell. You may be having all laughs and giggles but keep in mind this is only WoL there are still 2 more expansions to be released.
I'm just addressing every other post you've made so far, lol.
Of course time will tell but there's absolutely no reason to believe that great sc2 players will suddenly fall off the radar simply because Kespa.
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On February 08 2013 02:37 DarkLordOlli wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2013 02:35 BlazeFury01 wrote:On February 08 2013 02:10 Lysanias wrote:On February 08 2013 02:07 mongmong wrote:On February 08 2013 01:59 lolmlg wrote:On February 08 2013 01:34 vthree wrote:
The funny thing is, the 'elephants' get brought up everytime there is a Kespa win. But the people who post that don't realize that unless Code S is 30/32 Kespa, the article won't be validated.
I think we all know that isn't true. There have been many instances where the better player didn't move on in GSL. The format, whether or not the players are accustomed to the format, the condition of the players on the day, and previous results (due to seeding and so on) has a large impact on who is in Code S. Requiring that the vast majority of eSF players be ousted rapidly is very unrealistic. Hmm? 99% of the BW fanboys were saying TBLS would dominate within a month of switch. but ... but ... sc2 is such an easy game ! And yes i remember those story's 1 month became 3 and so forth and so forth. SC2 without a doubt is a much easier game then BW. Try rallying 8 buildings in Brood War then try rallying 8 buildings in SC2 and tell me which is easier. Also, the game being easier makes it harder for mechanically better players because a lot of their strengths have been stripped away. Ah but Kespa's just gonna dominate anyway. Because logic.
less mechanical doesn't make it easier. There's no logic inside. It clearly make it harder. Especially for the elephant, most of which is even below average.
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On February 08 2013 02:41 BlazeFury01 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2013 02:37 DarkLordOlli wrote:On February 08 2013 02:35 BlazeFury01 wrote:On February 08 2013 02:10 Lysanias wrote:On February 08 2013 02:07 mongmong wrote:On February 08 2013 01:59 lolmlg wrote:On February 08 2013 01:34 vthree wrote:
The funny thing is, the 'elephants' get brought up everytime there is a Kespa win. But the people who post that don't realize that unless Code S is 30/32 Kespa, the article won't be validated.
I think we all know that isn't true. There have been many instances where the better player didn't move on in GSL. The format, whether or not the players are accustomed to the format, the condition of the players on the day, and previous results (due to seeding and so on) has a large impact on who is in Code S. Requiring that the vast majority of eSF players be ousted rapidly is very unrealistic. Hmm? 99% of the BW fanboys were saying TBLS would dominate within a month of switch. but ... but ... sc2 is such an easy game ! And yes i remember those story's 1 month became 3 and so forth and so forth. SC2 without a doubt is a much easier game then BW. Try rallying 8 buildings in Brood War then try rallying 8 buildings in SC2 and tell me which is easier. Also, the game being easier makes it harder for mechanically better players because a lot of their strengths have been stripped away. Ah but Kespa's just gonna dominate anyway. Because logic. Your comment had nothing to do with what I was addressing. But since you want to go there, all I can say is that time will tell. You may be having all laughs and giggles but keep in mind this is only WoL there are still 2 more expansions to be released.
Actually, by the time SC2 is also old as BW now (12 years), I am pretty sure TBLS won't be dominating either. So even if Flash dominates in HoTS, it won't matter the game won't be figured out yet.
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woohoo less Zerg and more Terran. And btw Bomber's first rule is when ppl expect him to win the most, he'll lost just for the sake of laugh.
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On February 08 2013 02:45 vthree wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2013 02:35 BlazeFury01 wrote:On February 08 2013 02:10 Lysanias wrote:On February 08 2013 02:07 mongmong wrote:On February 08 2013 01:59 lolmlg wrote:On February 08 2013 01:34 vthree wrote:
The funny thing is, the 'elephants' get brought up everytime there is a Kespa win. But the people who post that don't realize that unless Code S is 30/32 Kespa, the article won't be validated.
I think we all know that isn't true. There have been many instances where the better player didn't move on in GSL. The format, whether or not the players are accustomed to the format, the condition of the players on the day, and previous results (due to seeding and so on) has a large impact on who is in Code S. Requiring that the vast majority of eSF players be ousted rapidly is very unrealistic. Hmm? 99% of the BW fanboys were saying TBLS would dominate within a month of switch. but ... but ... sc2 is such an easy game ! And yes i remember those story's 1 month became 3 and so forth and so forth. SC2 without a doubt is a much easier game then BW. Try rallying 8 buildings in Brood War then try rallying 8 buildings in SC2 and tell me which is easier. Also, the game being easier makes it harder for mechanically better players because a lot of their strengths have been stripped away. Ex: Clicking each and every barracks separately and pressing m to build a marine rapidly vs selecting all barracks at once and spamming mmmmmmm. Big difference there buddy. Try it. This is such a stupid argument. Skating on ice is also mechanically harder than running. Does that mean hockey is the 'superior' game and hockey players are superior to soccer players? This argument only makes sense if someone is playing with BW game mechanics vs someone with SC2 game mechanics. It is like saying sc2 Zerg > BW Zerg because BW zergs don't have to spread creep.
Nice argument, Nice.
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On February 08 2013 02:48 Baroninthetree wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2013 02:37 DarkLordOlli wrote:On February 08 2013 02:35 BlazeFury01 wrote:On February 08 2013 02:10 Lysanias wrote:On February 08 2013 02:07 mongmong wrote:On February 08 2013 01:59 lolmlg wrote:On February 08 2013 01:34 vthree wrote:
The funny thing is, the 'elephants' get brought up everytime there is a Kespa win. But the people who post that don't realize that unless Code S is 30/32 Kespa, the article won't be validated.
I think we all know that isn't true. There have been many instances where the better player didn't move on in GSL. The format, whether or not the players are accustomed to the format, the condition of the players on the day, and previous results (due to seeding and so on) has a large impact on who is in Code S. Requiring that the vast majority of eSF players be ousted rapidly is very unrealistic. Hmm? 99% of the BW fanboys were saying TBLS would dominate within a month of switch. but ... but ... sc2 is such an easy game ! And yes i remember those story's 1 month became 3 and so forth and so forth. SC2 without a doubt is a much easier game then BW. Try rallying 8 buildings in Brood War then try rallying 8 buildings in SC2 and tell me which is easier. Also, the game being easier makes it harder for mechanically better players because a lot of their strengths have been stripped away. Ah but Kespa's just gonna dominate anyway. Because logic. less mechanical doesn't make it easier. There's no logic inside. It clearly make it harder. Especially for the elephant, most of which is even below average.
Yup. I actually play a version of BW where I only use my mouse and I only select 1 unit at a time. It is much much more difficult mechanically compare to how noobs like Flash, Bisu play it with their hotkeys and unit groups. So If I were to switch to SC2, I would crush everyone.
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On February 08 2013 02:35 BlazeFury01 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2013 02:10 Lysanias wrote:On February 08 2013 02:07 mongmong wrote:On February 08 2013 01:59 lolmlg wrote:On February 08 2013 01:34 vthree wrote:
The funny thing is, the 'elephants' get brought up everytime there is a Kespa win. But the people who post that don't realize that unless Code S is 30/32 Kespa, the article won't be validated.
I think we all know that isn't true. There have been many instances where the better player didn't move on in GSL. The format, whether or not the players are accustomed to the format, the condition of the players on the day, and previous results (due to seeding and so on) has a large impact on who is in Code S. Requiring that the vast majority of eSF players be ousted rapidly is very unrealistic. Hmm? 99% of the BW fanboys were saying TBLS would dominate within a month of switch. but ... but ... sc2 is such an easy game ! And yes i remember those story's 1 month became 3 and so forth and so forth. SC2 without a doubt is a much easier game then BW. Try rallying 8 buildings in Brood War then try rallying 8 buildings in SC2 and tell me which is easier. Also, the game being easier makes it harder for mechanically better players because a lot of their strengths have been stripped away. Ex: Clicking each and every barracks separately and pressing m to build a marine rapidly vs selecting all barracks at once and spamming mmmmmmm. Big difference there buddy. Try it.
It's an RTS buddy, and i know Broodwar i have played it for ages and am still shit at it. I have a lot of respect for the BW pro's but more mechanical options and useless AI in BW does not make SC2 in return is an easy game. Mechanics are only part of the game. In BW those were dominant here in Sc2 they are less so.
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wow 2 terrans advanced. didn't see that one coming
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On February 08 2013 02:56 Lysanias wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2013 02:35 BlazeFury01 wrote:On February 08 2013 02:10 Lysanias wrote:On February 08 2013 02:07 mongmong wrote:On February 08 2013 01:59 lolmlg wrote:On February 08 2013 01:34 vthree wrote:
The funny thing is, the 'elephants' get brought up everytime there is a Kespa win. But the people who post that don't realize that unless Code S is 30/32 Kespa, the article won't be validated.
I think we all know that isn't true. There have been many instances where the better player didn't move on in GSL. The format, whether or not the players are accustomed to the format, the condition of the players on the day, and previous results (due to seeding and so on) has a large impact on who is in Code S. Requiring that the vast majority of eSF players be ousted rapidly is very unrealistic. Hmm? 99% of the BW fanboys were saying TBLS would dominate within a month of switch. but ... but ... sc2 is such an easy game ! And yes i remember those story's 1 month became 3 and so forth and so forth. SC2 without a doubt is a much easier game then BW. Try rallying 8 buildings in Brood War then try rallying 8 buildings in SC2 and tell me which is easier. Also, the game being easier makes it harder for mechanically better players because a lot of their strengths have been stripped away. Ex: Clicking each and every barracks separately and pressing m to build a marine rapidly vs selecting all barracks at once and spamming mmmmmmm. Big difference there buddy. Try it. It's an RTS buddy, and i know Broodwar i have played it for ages and am still shit at it. I have a lot of respect for the BW pro's but more mechanical options and useless AI in BW does not make SC2 in return is an easy game. Mechanics are only part of the game. In BW those were dominant here in Sc2 they are less so.
Honestly the mechanics are only relevant because they made it a lot easier to properly work out certain unit interactions .I think it's pretty unquestionable BW had more "watchable" moments between muta harass and magic carpets versus fungals and collosi.
Anyway what matters here is that the smartest terran advanced.
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On February 08 2013 02:36 vthree wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2013 02:34 Elroi wrote:Bogus is an awesome player, but there is no way he is better than Flash. You shouldn't judge from a league they aren't practicing for... Rather judge from their results and game play in PL, where they are payed to play. On February 08 2013 02:18 vthree wrote:On February 08 2013 02:11 DarkLordOlli wrote:On February 08 2013 02:08 Lukeeze[zR] wrote:On February 08 2013 02:04 mongmong wrote:On February 08 2013 01:54 sitromit wrote:
By the way, with these results, HerO's chances of making it directly into Code S just disappeared. Bomber is now waiting for him at ro24. Good luck to him in the up and downs. :p ahahahahahah Youre judging from Hero's up and down matches arent you? What makes you think Bomber can beat Hero convincingly? Guess what, Polt used to beat the shit out of Hero whenever they met, but it all changed from WCS Korea, not to even mention that Polt got 4-2'd by Hero at NASL. It will be Bo3, so Hero making it wont be a big surprise. Remember its Bo3. Bomber usually self-explodes in TvT or TvZ, his TvP is his most consistant and fearsome match-up. Not saying bomber will beat hero, but I can't think of a better TvP player right now. Then again, try thinking of a better PvT player. Rain maybe but other than that? PartinG, First? Wasn't First knocked out by an SKT trainee? Didn't Flash lose to M18M in BW?
No, it was a serious question  (i've never heard of first.) Did one of the best pvt players lose in a bo3 against a trainee? thats kind of cool.
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On February 08 2013 03:11 Sabu113 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2013 02:56 Lysanias wrote:On February 08 2013 02:35 BlazeFury01 wrote:On February 08 2013 02:10 Lysanias wrote:On February 08 2013 02:07 mongmong wrote:On February 08 2013 01:59 lolmlg wrote:On February 08 2013 01:34 vthree wrote:
The funny thing is, the 'elephants' get brought up everytime there is a Kespa win. But the people who post that don't realize that unless Code S is 30/32 Kespa, the article won't be validated.
I think we all know that isn't true. There have been many instances where the better player didn't move on in GSL. The format, whether or not the players are accustomed to the format, the condition of the players on the day, and previous results (due to seeding and so on) has a large impact on who is in Code S. Requiring that the vast majority of eSF players be ousted rapidly is very unrealistic. Hmm? 99% of the BW fanboys were saying TBLS would dominate within a month of switch. but ... but ... sc2 is such an easy game ! And yes i remember those story's 1 month became 3 and so forth and so forth. SC2 without a doubt is a much easier game then BW. Try rallying 8 buildings in Brood War then try rallying 8 buildings in SC2 and tell me which is easier. Also, the game being easier makes it harder for mechanically better players because a lot of their strengths have been stripped away. Ex: Clicking each and every barracks separately and pressing m to build a marine rapidly vs selecting all barracks at once and spamming mmmmmmm. Big difference there buddy. Try it. It's an RTS buddy, and i know Broodwar i have played it for ages and am still shit at it. I have a lot of respect for the BW pro's but more mechanical options and useless AI in BW does not make SC2 in return is an easy game. Mechanics are only part of the game. In BW those were dominant here in Sc2 they are less so. Honestly the mechanics are only relevant because they made it a lot easier to properly work out certain unit interactions .I think it's pretty unquestionable BW had more "watchable" moments between muta harass and magic carpets versus fungals and collosi. Anyway what matters here is that the smartest terran advanced.
BW is awsome all those long years of insane lvl of play say enough, no game has lasted that long with a self build pro scene, that in itself should say all about BW, i will never say BW is a bad game. It was fantastic.
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On February 08 2013 03:16 Elroi wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2013 02:36 vthree wrote:On February 08 2013 02:34 Elroi wrote:Bogus is an awesome player, but there is no way he is better than Flash. You shouldn't judge from a league they aren't practicing for... Rather judge from their results and game play in PL, where they are payed to play. On February 08 2013 02:18 vthree wrote:On February 08 2013 02:11 DarkLordOlli wrote:On February 08 2013 02:08 Lukeeze[zR] wrote:On February 08 2013 02:04 mongmong wrote:On February 08 2013 01:54 sitromit wrote:
By the way, with these results, HerO's chances of making it directly into Code S just disappeared. Bomber is now waiting for him at ro24. Good luck to him in the up and downs. :p ahahahahahah Youre judging from Hero's up and down matches arent you? What makes you think Bomber can beat Hero convincingly? Guess what, Polt used to beat the shit out of Hero whenever they met, but it all changed from WCS Korea, not to even mention that Polt got 4-2'd by Hero at NASL. It will be Bo3, so Hero making it wont be a big surprise. Remember its Bo3. Bomber usually self-explodes in TvT or TvZ, his TvP is his most consistant and fearsome match-up. Not saying bomber will beat hero, but I can't think of a better TvP player right now. Then again, try thinking of a better PvT player. Rain maybe but other than that? PartinG, First? Wasn't First knocked out by an SKT trainee? Didn't Flash lose to M18M in BW? No, it was a serious question (i've never heard of first.) Did one of the best pvt players lose in a bo3 against a trainee? thats kind of cool.
Yes, he handled both the 1/1/1s really poorly. First hasn't done well in GSL but he has done well at MLGs and won IEM.
The reason I used the M18M example is because although all of us can probably can agree that Flash was superior to M18M in all aspects of BW (macro, micro, game sense, strategy, etc), it was still possible for Flash to lose (turret cancel) due to a misread or bad decision.
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I love how people make excuses for DRG's losses against Bogus. Poor guy never gets the praise he deserves. I mean he already should have proved that he's a TVZ badass taking out Stephano and DRG who both are ZVT beasts. That being said, I don't think he actually can beat Life though. Life's gonna be the last WOL champion it seems.
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On February 08 2013 03:23 il_Cattivo wrote:
I love how people make excuses for DRG's losses against Bogus. Poor guy never gets the praise he deserves. I mean he already should have proved that he's a TVZ badass taking out Stephano and DRG who both are ZVT beasts. That being said, I don't think he actually can beat Life though. Life's gonna be the last WOL champion it seems.
Yeah, I don't see him being taken out as well. Maybe PartinG beats him and he loses a random ZvZ but as soon as he enter Bo5s he will be nearly unstoppable I think.
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wow, innovation bossmoding, and taeja... totally not the two i guessed would make it out. glad to see some strong terrans into ro8.
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was hoping for Taeja and Bomber to advance, but I can be happy with 2 Terrans making it out. now Gumiho and MKP need to follow up with wins. GomTvT please.
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On February 08 2013 03:21 vthree wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2013 03:16 Elroi wrote:On February 08 2013 02:36 vthree wrote:On February 08 2013 02:34 Elroi wrote:Bogus is an awesome player, but there is no way he is better than Flash. You shouldn't judge from a league they aren't practicing for... Rather judge from their results and game play in PL, where they are payed to play. On February 08 2013 02:18 vthree wrote:On February 08 2013 02:11 DarkLordOlli wrote:On February 08 2013 02:08 Lukeeze[zR] wrote:On February 08 2013 02:04 mongmong wrote:On February 08 2013 01:54 sitromit wrote:
By the way, with these results, HerO's chances of making it directly into Code S just disappeared. Bomber is now waiting for him at ro24. Good luck to him in the up and downs. :p ahahahahahah Youre judging from Hero's up and down matches arent you? What makes you think Bomber can beat Hero convincingly? Guess what, Polt used to beat the shit out of Hero whenever they met, but it all changed from WCS Korea, not to even mention that Polt got 4-2'd by Hero at NASL. It will be Bo3, so Hero making it wont be a big surprise. Remember its Bo3. Bomber usually self-explodes in TvT or TvZ, his TvP is his most consistant and fearsome match-up. Not saying bomber will beat hero, but I can't think of a better TvP player right now. Then again, try thinking of a better PvT player. Rain maybe but other than that? PartinG, First? Wasn't First knocked out by an SKT trainee? Didn't Flash lose to M18M in BW? No, it was a serious question (i've never heard of first.) Did one of the best pvt players lose in a bo3 against a trainee? thats kind of cool. Yes, he handled both the 1/1/1s really poorly. First hasn't done well in GSL but he has done well at MLGs and won IEM. The reason I used the M18M example is because although all of us can probably can agree that Flash was superior to M18M in all aspects of BW (macro, micro, game sense, strategy, etc), it was still possible for Flash to lose (turret cancel) due to a misread or bad decision.
Sure... but if that is what you are saying I don't think it was a very good example. M18M played really well and he fooled Flash: he had studied his scan patterns (!!) before that game and had placed out his buildings accordingly so that flash would read his build wrong.
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Gogo, terrans! Plz let final be Bogus vs Taeja.
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Innovation played so well. Really impressive. I am happy a kespa player advanced. Would be so cool if a kespa player won the GSL. 
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On February 08 2013 03:48 llIH wrote:Innovation played so well. Really impressive. I am happy a kespa player advanced. Would be so cool if a kespa player won the GSL.
If the infestor nerf came last season I have no doubt Bogus would win.
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