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BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
February 01 2013 08:56 GMT
#201
On February 01 2013 17:55 Arceus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2013 17:52 Mambo wrote:
Tough having Cure on my anti team.

pretty ballsy to put the best player in team 8 in Anti

agree with this, although I didn't know he was the best player on team 8. I was just impressed with how TvZ against Jaedong so he went on my main :D
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
Rollora
Profile Joined February 2012
2450 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-01 08:58:30
February 01 2013 08:56 GMT
#202
On February 01 2013 17:33 Devolved wrote:
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On February 01 2013 17:30 CursOr wrote:
Man that must be so frustrating. You lose so fast in SC2. He went from thinking he was playing well, to knowing that he could do nothing to win, in the course of about 30 seconds. eek

Yeah, that's one thing I've never been a fan of about SC2. You can make one mistake and have absolutely no chance of winning. In BW, there was always a chance to come back, even from multiple mistakes. But I wouldn't say that game was based off of a mistake. Flash simply outplayed him from start to finish.

I hate that too: instead of wearing down an opponent now, outplaying him on many levels (micro, macro, harassement) it sometimes occures (a lot of times actually) that i don't pay attention to minimap for 1 sec or someting and lose to a counter allin/doomdrop or whatever although I was so much in front.
Maybe this will get figured out the next 5 yrs :D

but then again: I am a bad player so what do I know. Only thing I know it looks the same on the Pro-League streams as well so at least THIS is something that is the same for the Pro-Players
BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
February 01 2013 08:57 GMT
#203
On February 01 2013 17:55 forsooth wrote:
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On February 01 2013 17:31 totauksz wrote:
This build is actually Jjakji's version of MVP's 2 base 1-1-1 (MVP beat MC with it, but he expanded behind, Jjakji did it just like flash when he 3-0'd puzzle)

I didn't catch the game, but is it the tank/bunker contain with banshees/elevator?

nope, it was mech vs. bio but Cure caught Mind's banshee and did some early eco damage with his hellions unless something else happened earlier and I missed it
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
Gingerninja
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United Kingdom1339 Posts
February 01 2013 08:58 GMT
#204
Major seems a bit camera shy lol
戦いの中に答えはある
ThePhan2m
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Norway2751 Posts
February 01 2013 08:58 GMT
#205
I just woke up, how was the Flash vs Jaehoon game?
letian
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany4221 Posts
February 01 2013 08:59 GMT
#206
On February 01 2013 17:33 Devolved wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2013 17:30 CursOr wrote:
Man that must be so frustrating. You lose so fast in SC2. He went from thinking he was playing well, to knowing that he could do nothing to win, in the course of about 30 seconds. eek

Yeah, that's one thing I've never been a fan of about SC2. You can make one mistake and have absolutely no chance of winning. In BW, there was always a chance to come back, even from multiple mistakes. But I wouldn't say that game was based off of a mistake. Flash simply outplayed him from start to finish.

In BW it can cost you a misclick to lose a game too, it heavily depends on the situation and the level of players.
vthree
Profile Joined November 2011
Hong Kong8039 Posts
February 01 2013 08:59 GMT
#207
On February 01 2013 17:41 Nezgar wrote:
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On February 01 2013 17:37 YourHarry wrote:
i wonder if argo could have walked around using the other exit, though he may get shot by one or two tanks. should only do shield damage. then hit flash's main. with one warp prism, he should get some probes out as well


The problem with base races against terrans is that their buildings can fly. When it comes to basetrades, there are 2 very generic rules:
-never baserace against terran
-never baserace against mutalisks

Besides flying buildings flash had also a hidden startport und possibly tanks on the highground behind a wall.
In the end the worst thing for argo was to push down like that. Either intercept him mid-map, go for the flank or be patient until you have the right units to deal with it. HerO did some great defenses against this with phoenix + chargelots + colossi.


You forgot the most important one.

Never base race against MKP (unless you are Mvp).
wangstra
Profile Joined March 2011
922 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-01 09:00:35
February 01 2013 08:59 GMT
#208
On February 01 2013 17:47 Gingerninja wrote:
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On February 01 2013 17:46 wangstra wrote:
I guess I don't understand how the lineup is set. Did one team pick a list of players to play and the other team gets to match players to each pick?


Kespa gives them a map list, each team picks a player to play on that map and tells kespa, then kespa announces the matchups a few days in advance so players can prepare, the teams don't know who the other picked until kespa says so. That way you get different metagame approaches to picking a player for a map, based on what you think your opponent will do etc.


Cool, cool. Thanks everyone.
Weird
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States832 Posts
February 01 2013 09:00 GMT
#209
Of all the nights for Proleague to hit GSL it had to be Stephano vs Bogus night, bah!
Heartland
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Sweden24603 Posts
February 01 2013 09:00 GMT
#210
I'm getting so sick of this ad.
letian
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany4221 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-01 09:01:39
February 01 2013 09:00 GMT
#211
On February 01 2013 17:58 ThePhan2m wrote:
I just woke up, how was the Flash vs Jaehoon game?

Flash did a good timing push off two bases, heavily contained Argo with bunkers and a lot of scvs. Basically if Argo broke that, it would be a GG for Flash. So it was a sort of allin attack.
Rollora
Profile Joined February 2012
2450 Posts
February 01 2013 09:01 GMT
#212
On February 01 2013 17:47 Gingerninja wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2013 17:46 wangstra wrote:
I guess I don't understand how the lineup is set. Did one team pick a list of players to play and the other team gets to match players to each pick?


Kespa gives them a map list, each team picks a player to play on that map and tells kespa, then kespa announces the matchups a few days in advance so players can prepare, the teams don't know who the other picked until kespa says so. That way you get different metagame approaches to picking a player for a map, based on what you think your opponent will do etc.

THANK YOU for that, was wondering!
vthree
Profile Joined November 2011
Hong Kong8039 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-01 09:01:43
February 01 2013 09:01 GMT
#213
On February 01 2013 17:59 letian wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2013 17:33 Devolved wrote:
On February 01 2013 17:30 CursOr wrote:
Man that must be so frustrating. You lose so fast in SC2. He went from thinking he was playing well, to knowing that he could do nothing to win, in the course of about 30 seconds. eek

Yeah, that's one thing I've never been a fan of about SC2. You can make one mistake and have absolutely no chance of winning. In BW, there was always a chance to come back, even from multiple mistakes. But I wouldn't say that game was based off of a mistake. Flash simply outplayed him from start to finish.

In BW it can cost you a misclick to lose a game too, it heavily depends on the situation and the level of players.


Yes, that is true. But there are more of these situations in SC2 compare with BW due to the higher dps, clumped units, miss forcefields, deathballs.
Prince_Stranger
Profile Joined November 2010
Kazakhstan762 Posts
February 01 2013 09:01 GMT
#214
So strange why friday instead of saturday? 2nd February is holiday in Korea?
"To all eSports fans, I want to be remembered as a progamer who can make something out of nothing, and someone who always does his best. I think that is the right way of living, and I'm always doing my best to follow that." - Jaedong
Arceus
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Vietnam8333 Posts
February 01 2013 09:01 GMT
#215
On February 01 2013 18:00 Weird wrote:
Of all the nights for Proleague to hit GSL it had to be Stephano vs Bogus night, bah!

watch both. I even do that at work occasionally :p
Hier
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
2391 Posts
February 01 2013 09:03 GMT
#216
On February 01 2013 17:59 vthree wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2013 17:41 Nezgar wrote:
On February 01 2013 17:37 YourHarry wrote:
i wonder if argo could have walked around using the other exit, though he may get shot by one or two tanks. should only do shield damage. then hit flash's main. with one warp prism, he should get some probes out as well


The problem with base races against terrans is that their buildings can fly. When it comes to basetrades, there are 2 very generic rules:
-never baserace against terran
-never baserace against mutalisks

Besides flying buildings flash had also a hidden startport und possibly tanks on the highground behind a wall.
In the end the worst thing for argo was to push down like that. Either intercept him mid-map, go for the flank or be patient until you have the right units to deal with it. HerO did some great defenses against this with phoenix + chargelots + colossi.


You forgot the most important one.

Never base race against MKP (unless you are Mvp).

So the rule should read

Never base race against MVP?
"But on a more serious note..." -everyone on this forum at some point.
Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23577 Posts
February 01 2013 09:03 GMT
#217
On February 01 2013 18:00 letian wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2013 17:58 ThePhan2m wrote:
I just woke up, how was the Flash vs Jaehoon game?

Flash did a good timing push off two bases, heavily contained Argo with bunkers and a lot of scvs. Basically if Argo broke that, it would be a GG for Flash. So it was a sort of allin attack.

I
t was kinda a safe way to seal the deal since he killed 15 probes with proxy cloak banshees and Argo was already behind.
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
Weird
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States832 Posts
February 01 2013 09:03 GMT
#218
On February 01 2013 18:01 Arceus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2013 18:00 Weird wrote:
Of all the nights for Proleague to hit GSL it had to be Stephano vs Bogus night, bah!

watch both. I even do that at work occasionally :p


Impossible! I refuse to take my attention away from a game for a second!
letian
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany4221 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-01 09:04:52
February 01 2013 09:04 GMT
#219
On February 01 2013 18:01 vthree wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2013 17:59 letian wrote:
On February 01 2013 17:33 Devolved wrote:
On February 01 2013 17:30 CursOr wrote:
Man that must be so frustrating. You lose so fast in SC2. He went from thinking he was playing well, to knowing that he could do nothing to win, in the course of about 30 seconds. eek

Yeah, that's one thing I've never been a fan of about SC2. You can make one mistake and have absolutely no chance of winning. In BW, there was always a chance to come back, even from multiple mistakes. But I wouldn't say that game was based off of a mistake. Flash simply outplayed him from start to finish.

In BW it can cost you a misclick to lose a game too, it heavily depends on the situation and the level of players.


Yes, that is true. But there are more of these situations in SC2 compare with BW due to the higher dps, clumped units, miss forcefields, deathballs.

SC2 game pace is very fast and dynamic, so if a game ends because of a misclick or inattention after 20min its kinda, nah! Probably one of the most irritating factors for me as a spectator.
Hier
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
2391 Posts
February 01 2013 09:05 GMT
#220
On February 01 2013 18:01 Prince_Stranger wrote:
So strange why friday instead of saturday? 2nd February is holiday in Korea?

Supposedly LoL finals are on tomorrow.
"But on a more serious note..." -everyone on this forum at some point.
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