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Prince_Stranger
Profile Joined November 2010
Kazakhstan762 Posts
January 30 2013 16:46 GMT
#1101
On January 31 2013 01:43 Elroi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 31 2013 01:25 vthree wrote:
On January 31 2013 01:17 warmus wrote:
On January 31 2013 00:48 Dodgin wrote:
On January 31 2013 00:40 Elroi wrote:
On January 30 2013 23:54 ETisME wrote:
On January 30 2013 18:58 CoR wrote:
On January 30 2013 18:56 derpface wrote:
Yes BISU didnt get through!!!! Even though it was pretty mich a given he wouldnt qualify.

Sad though that MMA didnt get through

Also lol at Artosis being named a notable player.


how can ANYBODY be happy bisu not get trough ? even if not on best, so much history/drama and potencial in this guy.
i mean what you want "oh here a new guy i dont knoiw vs a guy we said all above"
or "hey bisu he is blablabla" so much to say to fill start time of a game ^^

Coming from a non bw background, I just hope to have a better skilled player to qualify.
Much better to see good players playing amazingly than a famous player playing average level and completely disappoint everyone
For example everyone says flash is god etc, but he isn't really doing anything all that amazing compared to other top players.

You probably don't watch proleague if you say that. Flash is an amazing player in Proleague.

GSL is a tournament that the KeSPA players don't care very much about. Look at who qualified in code A: mostly b-teamers who don't practice for PL because they aren't good enough to be sent out anyway.


he said Flash isn't doing anything amazing compared to the other top players which is true

also, all the good kespa players are trying to qualify but they failed to do so. I don't really buy the excuse that they didn't prepare enough, if they're that much better than the B teamers not good enough to play in proleague they should be able to win without preparing, which they did in the case of rain, s2, true and shine.


I have got mad respect for you man, but i think you are wrong. At the kespa (regardless of is it high/ low) their skills are veeery similar between each other, i think at least last weeks results confirm this statement. You also cannot deny, and that is with 100% certainty that between PL and GSL, if they HAVE to chose, PL teams will focus/ dedicate more time to PL practice than GSL. This is a no brainer, and whilst several other things effect the amount of practice that will get put into GSL (like the teams current standing in PL), GSL will never be a priority for ace players on the teams, unless we are talking grand final of code S, or there is simply no OSL/PL around at that point. But as 2 leagues are running at the same time right now, the teams focus much more on PL than GSL, simply because to them it is much more important. And then they go on to play in GSL, ofcourse with some strategies in mind, but on maps that they practice much less (considering the differences between GSL and PL map pool), and against opponents that have done nothing for the past week or two practicing specifically for GSL. It thus becomes a lottery of skill and luck and preperation in a funky algorithm where some players make it through to code S round of 16 like roro while others like stats dont make it into code A, though i dont think one can argue that roro is so much better than stats (or wooki, or i am sure many others).

TLDR: Top level starcraft is to close to call reliably, and with a busy schedule teams will prioritize. First according to event (PL>GSL) than according to specific players (is he playing in PL this week?). Then people will have a specified level of preperation, making them either more or less likely to win. Has very little to do with players being "better" or "worse" at this point.

P.S Shine is terrible as well, he basically lost to a first timer this week, except he was too scared to attack with 20roaches vs a spine and a couple of lings, have to trade him of FPL asap. He has like a 2-6 record in pl? Kespa players should never ever be judged by GSL results, they have so little meaning. Lets wait till an OSL or WCS comes around, then maybe we can compare better. Using GSL as indication is silly in their case


I guess that is true in reverse for EG-TL, they care about GSL more. So we shouldn't judge their PL performance.



Yes, that could be said about EGTL as well. They are the worst team in PL right now iirc while at the same time having a decent GSL record. It is obvious that being in code S doesn't mean anything in Proleague.

But at the same time, EGTL have a roster that is sufficiently huge to not play a guy who is in GSL up to two weeks before his games. The idea of merging the teams was to make it possible for the players to prepare for both.

This is what True said in his interview after advancing to code A:
Show nested quote +

Proleague ended so late yesterday that it actually said 1:00am when I looked at the time. I was so tired that I just went to bed. I only prepared on Arkanoid for Proleague so I was worried that I was going to show a bad performance for the qualifiers. But I saw the large number of fans who came to see us play even though it wasn't even Proleague, and I even got a beverage from one of them so I told myself that I had to avoid getting pathetically eliminated.


Isn't it obvious that this guy doesn't care very much for GSL compared to PL?


Great quote of Jaedong man!!! Recalls many his comebacks in bw!
"To all eSports fans, I want to be remembered as a progamer who can make something out of nothing, and someone who always does his best. I think that is the right way of living, and I'm always doing my best to follow that." - Jaedong
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
January 30 2013 16:47 GMT
#1102
On January 31 2013 01:17 warmus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 31 2013 00:48 Dodgin wrote:
On January 31 2013 00:40 Elroi wrote:
On January 30 2013 23:54 ETisME wrote:
On January 30 2013 18:58 CoR wrote:
On January 30 2013 18:56 derpface wrote:
Yes BISU didnt get through!!!! Even though it was pretty mich a given he wouldnt qualify.

Sad though that MMA didnt get through

Also lol at Artosis being named a notable player.


how can ANYBODY be happy bisu not get trough ? even if not on best, so much history/drama and potencial in this guy.
i mean what you want "oh here a new guy i dont knoiw vs a guy we said all above"
or "hey bisu he is blablabla" so much to say to fill start time of a game ^^

Coming from a non bw background, I just hope to have a better skilled player to qualify.
Much better to see good players playing amazingly than a famous player playing average level and completely disappoint everyone
For example everyone says flash is god etc, but he isn't really doing anything all that amazing compared to other top players.

You probably don't watch proleague if you say that. Flash is an amazing player in Proleague.

GSL is a tournament that the KeSPA players don't care very much about. Look at who qualified in code A: mostly b-teamers who don't practice for PL because they aren't good enough to be sent out anyway.


he said Flash isn't doing anything amazing compared to the other top players which is true

also, all the good kespa players are trying to qualify but they failed to do so. I don't really buy the excuse that they didn't prepare enough, if they're that much better than the B teamers not good enough to play in proleague they should be able to win without preparing, which they did in the case of rain, s2, true and shine.


I have got mad respect for you man, but i think you are wrong. At the kespa (regardless of is it high/ low) their skills are veeery similar between each other, i think at least last weeks results confirm this statement. You also cannot deny, and that is with 100% certainty that between PL and GSL, if they HAVE to chose, PL teams will focus/ dedicate more time to PL practice than GSL. This is a no brainer, and whilst several other things effect the amount of practice that will get put into GSL (like the teams current standing in PL), GSL will never be a priority for ace players on the teams, unless we are talking grand final of code S, or there is simply no OSL/PL around at that point. But as 2 leagues are running at the same time right now, the teams focus much more on PL than GSL, simply because to them it is much more important. And then they go on to play in GSL, ofcourse with some strategies in mind, but on maps that they practice much less (considering the differences between GSL and PL map pool), and against opponents that have done nothing for the past week or two practicing specifically for GSL. It thus becomes a lottery of skill and luck and preperation in a funky algorithm where some players make it through to code S round of 16 like roro while others like stats dont make it into code A, though i dont think one can argue that roro is so much better than stats (or wooki, or i am sure many others).

TLDR: Top level starcraft is to close to call reliably, and with a busy schedule teams will prioritize. First according to event (PL>GSL) than according to specific players (is he playing in PL this week?). Then people will have a specified level of preperation, making them either more or less likely to win. Has very little to do with players being "better" or "worse" at this point.

P.S Shine is terrible as well, he basically lost to a first timer this week, except he was too scared to attack with 20roaches vs a spine and a couple of lings, have to trade him of FPL asap. He has like a 2-6 record in pl? Kespa players should never ever be judged by GSL results, they have so little meaning. Lets wait till an OSL or WCS comes around, then maybe we can compare better. Using GSL as indication is silly in their case


I have to heavily disagree that top level starcraft is too close too call reliably, what about Life? He's just good, he goes to school, he doesn't practice all day like some other players do but he wrecks everyone anyway. I think the Kespa skill level just isn't that high on average so what you're actually seeing is just them taking bo1's off each other because #1 bo1 is volatile and #2 there's no one super good in kespa that they can outclass everyone else and win all the time.

I agree that kespa players will prioritize proleague but they should be able to handle both just like they have in the past with osl and msl, if they don't put in sufficient time to prepare for individual leagues then that's just their loss and they miss out on the fame, the glory and the prize money.
Foxwolf
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Brazil157 Posts
January 30 2013 16:47 GMT
#1103
aLive comeback?
GhandiEAGLE
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States20754 Posts
January 30 2013 16:50 GMT
#1104
Rain and Shine both qualify lol
Oh, my achin' hands, from rakin' in grands, and breakin' in mic stands
TheDougler
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada8304 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-30 16:52:43
January 30 2013 16:50 GMT
#1105
On January 31 2013 01:43 Elroi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 31 2013 01:25 vthree wrote:
On January 31 2013 01:17 warmus wrote:
On January 31 2013 00:48 Dodgin wrote:
On January 31 2013 00:40 Elroi wrote:
On January 30 2013 23:54 ETisME wrote:
On January 30 2013 18:58 CoR wrote:
On January 30 2013 18:56 derpface wrote:
Yes BISU didnt get through!!!! Even though it was pretty mich a given he wouldnt qualify.

Sad though that MMA didnt get through

Also lol at Artosis being named a notable player.


how can ANYBODY be happy bisu not get trough ? even if not on best, so much history/drama and potencial in this guy.
i mean what you want "oh here a new guy i dont knoiw vs a guy we said all above"
or "hey bisu he is blablabla" so much to say to fill start time of a game ^^

Coming from a non bw background, I just hope to have a better skilled player to qualify.
Much better to see good players playing amazingly than a famous player playing average level and completely disappoint everyone
For example everyone says flash is god etc, but he isn't really doing anything all that amazing compared to other top players.

You probably don't watch proleague if you say that. Flash is an amazing player in Proleague.

GSL is a tournament that the KeSPA players don't care very much about. Look at who qualified in code A: mostly b-teamers who don't practice for PL because they aren't good enough to be sent out anyway.


he said Flash isn't doing anything amazing compared to the other top players which is true

also, all the good kespa players are trying to qualify but they failed to do so. I don't really buy the excuse that they didn't prepare enough, if they're that much better than the B teamers not good enough to play in proleague they should be able to win without preparing, which they did in the case of rain, s2, true and shine.


I have got mad respect for you man, but i think you are wrong. At the kespa (regardless of is it high/ low) their skills are veeery similar between each other, i think at least last weeks results confirm this statement. You also cannot deny, and that is with 100% certainty that between PL and GSL, if they HAVE to chose, PL teams will focus/ dedicate more time to PL practice than GSL. This is a no brainer, and whilst several other things effect the amount of practice that will get put into GSL (like the teams current standing in PL), GSL will never be a priority for ace players on the teams, unless we are talking grand final of code S, or there is simply no OSL/PL around at that point. But as 2 leagues are running at the same time right now, the teams focus much more on PL than GSL, simply because to them it is much more important. And then they go on to play in GSL, ofcourse with some strategies in mind, but on maps that they practice much less (considering the differences between GSL and PL map pool), and against opponents that have done nothing for the past week or two practicing specifically for GSL. It thus becomes a lottery of skill and luck and preperation in a funky algorithm where some players make it through to code S round of 16 like roro while others like stats dont make it into code A, though i dont think one can argue that roro is so much better than stats (or wooki, or i am sure many others).

TLDR: Top level starcraft is to close to call reliably, and with a busy schedule teams will prioritize. First according to event (PL>GSL) than according to specific players (is he playing in PL this week?). Then people will have a specified level of preperation, making them either more or less likely to win. Has very little to do with players being "better" or "worse" at this point.

P.S Shine is terrible as well, he basically lost to a first timer this week, except he was too scared to attack with 20roaches vs a spine and a couple of lings, have to trade him of FPL asap. He has like a 2-6 record in pl? Kespa players should never ever be judged by GSL results, they have so little meaning. Lets wait till an OSL or WCS comes around, then maybe we can compare better. Using GSL as indication is silly in their case


I guess that is true in reverse for EG-TL, they care about GSL more. So we shouldn't judge their PL performance.



Yes, that could be said about EGTL as well. They are the worst team in PL right now iirc while at the same time having a decent GSL record.


Second worst currently to be exact. STX is still behind them. Honestly right now it's pretty much KT and Woojin, and then everybody else.
I root for Euro Zergs, NA Protoss* and Korean Terrans. (Any North American who has beat a Korean Pro as Protoss counts as NA Toss)
Inzan1ty
Profile Joined September 2012
1163 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-30 16:51:57
January 30 2013 16:51 GMT
#1106
On January 31 2013 01:47 Foxwolf wrote:
aLive comeback?


Ohhh, the fan club owner !!

where have u been all this time?

time to update the FC, and maybe add some new pics?
RIP Seung Hyun 'Space' Park † 6/5/2013 - Undead hero and eSports rolemodel
BreakfastBurrito
Profile Joined November 2011
United States893 Posts
January 30 2013 17:02 GMT
#1107
Artosis tried to qualify? That's awesome, hope he makes it next time.
twitch.tv/jaytherey | Yapper891 if you are reading this, PM me. its Twisty.
Wingblade
Profile Joined April 2012
United States1806 Posts
January 30 2013 17:19 GMT
#1108
On January 31 2013 01:15 FineAndDandy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 31 2013 00:48 Dodgin wrote:
On January 31 2013 00:40 Elroi wrote:
On January 30 2013 23:54 ETisME wrote:
On January 30 2013 18:58 CoR wrote:
On January 30 2013 18:56 derpface wrote:
Yes BISU didnt get through!!!! Even though it was pretty mich a given he wouldnt qualify.

Sad though that MMA didnt get through

Also lol at Artosis being named a notable player.


how can ANYBODY be happy bisu not get trough ? even if not on best, so much history/drama and potencial in this guy.
i mean what you want "oh here a new guy i dont knoiw vs a guy we said all above"
or "hey bisu he is blablabla" so much to say to fill start time of a game ^^

Coming from a non bw background, I just hope to have a better skilled player to qualify.
Much better to see good players playing amazingly than a famous player playing average level and completely disappoint everyone
For example everyone says flash is god etc, but he isn't really doing anything all that amazing compared to other top players.

You probably don't watch proleague if you say that. Flash is an amazing player in Proleague.

GSL is a tournament that the KeSPA players don't care very much about. Look at who qualified in code A: mostly b-teamers who don't practice for PL because they aren't good enough to be sent out anyway.


he said Flash isn't doing anything amazing compared to the other top players which is true

also, all the good kespa players are trying to qualify but they failed to do so. I don't really buy the excuse that they didn't prepare enough, if they're that much better than the B teamers not good enough to play in proleague they should be able to win without preparing, which they did in the case of rain, s2, true and shine.


Reason is SC2 is too random, anyone can win against anyone among Korean progamers. Even life and parting will have a hard time in qualifers if they are not lucky.



That last sentence killed my soul. And it would probably kill Partings if he heard that... SC2 is not THAT random, Life and Parting would blow the qualifiers away just based on their body of work.
PartinG fanboy to the max, Rain/Squirtle/Dear/Scarlett/Bbyong are cool too. I don't always watch Dota2 but when I do I have no clue what's going on. GOGO POWER RANGERS
Whatson
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United States5356 Posts
January 30 2013 17:22 GMT
#1109
On January 31 2013 02:19 Wingblade wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 31 2013 01:15 FineAndDandy wrote:
On January 31 2013 00:48 Dodgin wrote:
On January 31 2013 00:40 Elroi wrote:
On January 30 2013 23:54 ETisME wrote:
On January 30 2013 18:58 CoR wrote:
On January 30 2013 18:56 derpface wrote:
Yes BISU didnt get through!!!! Even though it was pretty mich a given he wouldnt qualify.

Sad though that MMA didnt get through

Also lol at Artosis being named a notable player.


how can ANYBODY be happy bisu not get trough ? even if not on best, so much history/drama and potencial in this guy.
i mean what you want "oh here a new guy i dont knoiw vs a guy we said all above"
or "hey bisu he is blablabla" so much to say to fill start time of a game ^^

Coming from a non bw background, I just hope to have a better skilled player to qualify.
Much better to see good players playing amazingly than a famous player playing average level and completely disappoint everyone
For example everyone says flash is god etc, but he isn't really doing anything all that amazing compared to other top players.

You probably don't watch proleague if you say that. Flash is an amazing player in Proleague.

GSL is a tournament that the KeSPA players don't care very much about. Look at who qualified in code A: mostly b-teamers who don't practice for PL because they aren't good enough to be sent out anyway.


he said Flash isn't doing anything amazing compared to the other top players which is true

also, all the good kespa players are trying to qualify but they failed to do so. I don't really buy the excuse that they didn't prepare enough, if they're that much better than the B teamers not good enough to play in proleague they should be able to win without preparing, which they did in the case of rain, s2, true and shine.


Reason is SC2 is too random, anyone can win against anyone among Korean progamers. Even life and parting will have a hard time in qualifers if they are not lucky.



That last sentence killed my soul. And it would probably kill Partings if he heard that... SC2 is not THAT random, Life and Parting would blow the qualifiers away just based on their body of work.

Keep in mind that Parting bombed out hard at IEM. And he only won 2-1 against combatez.
¯\_(シ)_/¯
Insoleet
Profile Joined May 2012
France1806 Posts
January 30 2013 17:23 GMT
#1110
On January 31 2013 02:22 Whatson wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 31 2013 02:19 Wingblade wrote:
On January 31 2013 01:15 FineAndDandy wrote:
On January 31 2013 00:48 Dodgin wrote:
On January 31 2013 00:40 Elroi wrote:
On January 30 2013 23:54 ETisME wrote:
On January 30 2013 18:58 CoR wrote:
On January 30 2013 18:56 derpface wrote:
Yes BISU didnt get through!!!! Even though it was pretty mich a given he wouldnt qualify.

Sad though that MMA didnt get through

Also lol at Artosis being named a notable player.


how can ANYBODY be happy bisu not get trough ? even if not on best, so much history/drama and potencial in this guy.
i mean what you want "oh here a new guy i dont knoiw vs a guy we said all above"
or "hey bisu he is blablabla" so much to say to fill start time of a game ^^

Coming from a non bw background, I just hope to have a better skilled player to qualify.
Much better to see good players playing amazingly than a famous player playing average level and completely disappoint everyone
For example everyone says flash is god etc, but he isn't really doing anything all that amazing compared to other top players.

You probably don't watch proleague if you say that. Flash is an amazing player in Proleague.

GSL is a tournament that the KeSPA players don't care very much about. Look at who qualified in code A: mostly b-teamers who don't practice for PL because they aren't good enough to be sent out anyway.


he said Flash isn't doing anything amazing compared to the other top players which is true

also, all the good kespa players are trying to qualify but they failed to do so. I don't really buy the excuse that they didn't prepare enough, if they're that much better than the B teamers not good enough to play in proleague they should be able to win without preparing, which they did in the case of rain, s2, true and shine.


Reason is SC2 is too random, anyone can win against anyone among Korean progamers. Even life and parting will have a hard time in qualifers if they are not lucky.



That last sentence killed my soul. And it would probably kill Partings if he heard that... SC2 is not THAT random, Life and Parting would blow the qualifiers away just based on their body of work.

Keep in mind that Parting bombed out hard at IEM. And he only won 2-1 against combatez.

he was in a hungover at iem.
warmus
Profile Joined November 2010
United Kingdom196 Posts
January 30 2013 17:25 GMT
#1111
On January 31 2013 01:47 Dodgin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 31 2013 01:17 warmus wrote:
On January 31 2013 00:48 Dodgin wrote:
On January 31 2013 00:40 Elroi wrote:
On January 30 2013 23:54 ETisME wrote:
On January 30 2013 18:58 CoR wrote:
On January 30 2013 18:56 derpface wrote:
Yes BISU didnt get through!!!! Even though it was pretty mich a given he wouldnt qualify.

Sad though that MMA didnt get through

Also lol at Artosis being named a notable player.


how can ANYBODY be happy bisu not get trough ? even if not on best, so much history/drama and potencial in this guy.
i mean what you want "oh here a new guy i dont knoiw vs a guy we said all above"
or "hey bisu he is blablabla" so much to say to fill start time of a game ^^

Coming from a non bw background, I just hope to have a better skilled player to qualify.
Much better to see good players playing amazingly than a famous player playing average level and completely disappoint everyone
For example everyone says flash is god etc, but he isn't really doing anything all that amazing compared to other top players.

You probably don't watch proleague if you say that. Flash is an amazing player in Proleague.

GSL is a tournament that the KeSPA players don't care very much about. Look at who qualified in code A: mostly b-teamers who don't practice for PL because they aren't good enough to be sent out anyway.


he said Flash isn't doing anything amazing compared to the other top players which is true

also, all the good kespa players are trying to qualify but they failed to do so. I don't really buy the excuse that they didn't prepare enough, if they're that much better than the B teamers not good enough to play in proleague they should be able to win without preparing, which they did in the case of rain, s2, true and shine.


I have got mad respect for you man, but i think you are wrong. At the kespa (regardless of is it high/ low) their skills are veeery similar between each other, i think at least last weeks results confirm this statement. You also cannot deny, and that is with 100% certainty that between PL and GSL, if they HAVE to chose, PL teams will focus/ dedicate more time to PL practice than GSL. This is a no brainer, and whilst several other things effect the amount of practice that will get put into GSL (like the teams current standing in PL), GSL will never be a priority for ace players on the teams, unless we are talking grand final of code S, or there is simply no OSL/PL around at that point. But as 2 leagues are running at the same time right now, the teams focus much more on PL than GSL, simply because to them it is much more important. And then they go on to play in GSL, ofcourse with some strategies in mind, but on maps that they practice much less (considering the differences between GSL and PL map pool), and against opponents that have done nothing for the past week or two practicing specifically for GSL. It thus becomes a lottery of skill and luck and preperation in a funky algorithm where some players make it through to code S round of 16 like roro while others like stats dont make it into code A, though i dont think one can argue that roro is so much better than stats (or wooki, or i am sure many others).

TLDR: Top level starcraft is to close to call reliably, and with a busy schedule teams will prioritize. First according to event (PL>GSL) than according to specific players (is he playing in PL this week?). Then people will have a specified level of preperation, making them either more or less likely to win. Has very little to do with players being "better" or "worse" at this point.

P.S Shine is terrible as well, he basically lost to a first timer this week, except he was too scared to attack with 20roaches vs a spine and a couple of lings, have to trade him of FPL asap. He has like a 2-6 record in pl? Kespa players should never ever be judged by GSL results, they have so little meaning. Lets wait till an OSL or WCS comes around, then maybe we can compare better. Using GSL as indication is silly in their case


I have to heavily disagree that top level starcraft is too close too call reliably, what about Life? He's just good, he goes to school, he doesn't practice all day like some other players do but he wrecks everyone anyway. I think the Kespa skill level just isn't that high on average so what you're actually seeing is just them taking bo1's off each other because #1 bo1 is volatile and #2 there's no one super good in kespa that they can outclass everyone else and win all the time.

I agree that kespa players will prioritize proleague but they should be able to handle both just like they have in the past with osl and msl, if they don't put in sufficient time to prepare for individual leagues then that's just their loss and they miss out on the fame, the glory and the prize money.


I get what you are saying. I do think that kespa pros recognize the potential ability of GSL to make them famous and popular, however when they weigh it against the same potential but through PL and tv exposure, i think its almost unanimous agreement that doing well and becoming great in PL will yield greater benefit than doing the same in the GSL.

I do agree that probably (actually certainly) no kespa player is quite on the level represented by Life, but then again no one really is. He is currently in a league of his own,a gem that was bound to be found amongst so many pros playing for over 2 years. Only MVP has exerted this level of dominance at one pont, though apparently Life broke the peak elo record recently. While no kespa can matchup to life, i think a substantial amount of them could at least give everyone else a run for their money, if not straight up win. And in the PL format, all things considered I would be worried for majority of eSF teams.

The TRUE quote shows that there is little incentive for kespa players to practice. This again makes sense. How may hours you have to grind out in practice to get to code a? and then to code s, where you perhaps can start making money? and then to get to the top, to finally become regonized as a great player? is that effort worth the risk of the off chance that despite practice a guy beats you in a bo3 and everything gets pushed for two months, while also costing your team in PL? Compare that with a week to week exposure on tv, where you need to prepare a great build for two maps a week, and if you succeed you soon become recognized. The point that I am making is that preparation really does matter at the top level of starcraft (especially considering different map pools) and that looking at GSL results as determinant or a measure of a kespa players skill is being overly harsh on them, and perhaps skewed. No beef though
andrewlt
Profile Joined August 2009
United States7702 Posts
January 30 2013 17:26 GMT
#1112
On January 31 2013 01:20 Havik_ wrote:
Wait, so Bisu lost to a B-teamer from his own team???


Looks like it. Maybe even his practice partner.
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
January 30 2013 17:26 GMT
#1113
On January 31 2013 02:22 Whatson wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 31 2013 02:19 Wingblade wrote:
On January 31 2013 01:15 FineAndDandy wrote:
On January 31 2013 00:48 Dodgin wrote:
On January 31 2013 00:40 Elroi wrote:
On January 30 2013 23:54 ETisME wrote:
On January 30 2013 18:58 CoR wrote:
On January 30 2013 18:56 derpface wrote:
Yes BISU didnt get through!!!! Even though it was pretty mich a given he wouldnt qualify.

Sad though that MMA didnt get through

Also lol at Artosis being named a notable player.


how can ANYBODY be happy bisu not get trough ? even if not on best, so much history/drama and potencial in this guy.
i mean what you want "oh here a new guy i dont knoiw vs a guy we said all above"
or "hey bisu he is blablabla" so much to say to fill start time of a game ^^

Coming from a non bw background, I just hope to have a better skilled player to qualify.
Much better to see good players playing amazingly than a famous player playing average level and completely disappoint everyone
For example everyone says flash is god etc, but he isn't really doing anything all that amazing compared to other top players.

You probably don't watch proleague if you say that. Flash is an amazing player in Proleague.

GSL is a tournament that the KeSPA players don't care very much about. Look at who qualified in code A: mostly b-teamers who don't practice for PL because they aren't good enough to be sent out anyway.


he said Flash isn't doing anything amazing compared to the other top players which is true

also, all the good kespa players are trying to qualify but they failed to do so. I don't really buy the excuse that they didn't prepare enough, if they're that much better than the B teamers not good enough to play in proleague they should be able to win without preparing, which they did in the case of rain, s2, true and shine.


Reason is SC2 is too random, anyone can win against anyone among Korean progamers. Even life and parting will have a hard time in qualifers if they are not lucky.



That last sentence killed my soul. And it would probably kill Partings if he heard that... SC2 is not THAT random, Life and Parting would blow the qualifiers away just based on their body of work.

Keep in mind that Parting bombed out hard at IEM. And he only won 2-1 against combatez.


didn't parting take third at iem? and he lost to Dream, a Code A player.
Serimek
Profile Joined August 2011
France2274 Posts
January 30 2013 17:45 GMT
#1114
So, anyone knows who has played under the ID "EG_HyunG" ?
SC2 is the best game to watch and was the best to play before I grew old and slow...
Tenks
Profile Joined April 2010
United States3104 Posts
January 30 2013 17:49 GMT
#1115
On January 31 2013 02:26 andrewlt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 31 2013 01:20 Havik_ wrote:
Wait, so Bisu lost to a B-teamer from his own team???


Looks like it. Maybe even his practice partner.


Isn't the b-teamer on CJ and Bisu on SK?
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DiMano
Profile Joined July 2011
Korea (South)2066 Posts
January 30 2013 17:50 GMT
#1116
On January 31 2013 02:45 Serimek wrote:
So, anyone knows who has played under the ID "EG_HyunG" ?

Spider Swim
DiMano
Profile Joined July 2011
Korea (South)2066 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-30 17:51:18
January 30 2013 17:51 GMT
#1117
On January 31 2013 02:49 Tenks wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 31 2013 02:26 andrewlt wrote:
On January 31 2013 01:20 Havik_ wrote:
Wait, so Bisu lost to a B-teamer from his own team???


Looks like it. Maybe even his practice partner.


Isn't the b-teamer on CJ and Bisu on SK?

CJ is ID-less player, LabyRinth is on SKT
Serimek
Profile Joined August 2011
France2274 Posts
January 30 2013 17:53 GMT
#1118
On January 31 2013 02:50 DiMano wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 31 2013 02:45 Serimek wrote:
So, anyone knows who has played under the ID "EG_HyunG" ?

Spider Swim


Thank you, I was wondering if it was a new EG player I didn't know.
SC2 is the best game to watch and was the best to play before I grew old and slow...
Targe
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom14103 Posts
January 30 2013 17:56 GMT
#1119
Damn... a whole bunch of good kespa players were eliminated
11/5/14 CATACLYSM | The South West's worst Falco main
Tenks
Profile Joined April 2010
United States3104 Posts
January 30 2013 18:03 GMT
#1120
On January 31 2013 02:51 DiMano wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 31 2013 02:49 Tenks wrote:
On January 31 2013 02:26 andrewlt wrote:
On January 31 2013 01:20 Havik_ wrote:
Wait, so Bisu lost to a B-teamer from his own team???


Looks like it. Maybe even his practice partner.


Isn't the b-teamer on CJ and Bisu on SK?

CJ is ID-less player, LabyRinth is on SKT



Got ya. Probably should have checked the brackets before I said anything
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