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On February 01 2013 09:18 Die4Ever wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2013 09:15 BlazeFury01 wrote:On February 01 2013 09:14 vthree wrote:On February 01 2013 09:12 BlazeFury01 wrote:On February 01 2013 09:11 vthree wrote:On February 01 2013 09:10 BlazeFury01 wrote:On February 01 2013 09:08 vthree wrote:On February 01 2013 09:05 BlazeFury01 wrote:On February 01 2013 09:04 vthree wrote:On February 01 2013 05:13 BlazeFury01 wrote:
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There's a difference between excuses and fact. I've clearly stated facts based off what the players themselves said. I really see your posts as reasons to argue with me. Not sure why you hate on Kespa players so much, especially when they're the ones that made StarCraft what it is from the start to finish.
I don't think sc2 fans hate on Kespa players. I think they just hate the elitist Kespa fans like you. Cool, I'm an "elitist". And I will continue to stay one. Weren't you one of those people that said Kespa would dominate Code S by season 5 2012 when Kespa were winning games in WCS? No, I never said they'd be dominating a particular season. I said futuristically when they have a better understanding of the game or had as much time the ESF players had. Well, technically, they will never have as much time as eSF players...it is a moving goal post... No, 2 1/2 years is how much time they had. If Kespa players had 2 1/2 years then that would be more then enough. Why 2.5 years? That's how much time the ESF players had before the Kespa transition. So by this logic, a new player can never catch up. We will be stuck watching the same players forever because it takes 2.5 years to learn the game. And SC2 is easier then BW yet it takes 2.5 years just to catch up to the current pros?
I don't think that it was what he meant. In my humble opinion, I've always thought that Kespa wouldn't be able to catch up before HOTS, because they've left BW pro gaming for barely 6 months, which is, to be fair, not that much to become the best of your sport in the planet.
Now that HOTS is coming, and given Kespa players have already the best RTS skills + the SC2 basics mastery (when I say basics I mean the part that will be common with HOTS), I'm confident about seeing a lot of them in the top spots this year for HOTS.
That said, I really don't believe in any sort of complete Kespa dominance, but it might be possible that at the end of this year, there are more Kespa than ESF players in code S.
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On February 01 2013 09:04 BlazeFury01 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2013 05:28 mrtomjones wrote:On February 01 2013 05:14 sertman wrote:On February 01 2013 05:09 mrtomjones wrote:On February 01 2013 04:58 BlazeFury01 wrote:On February 01 2013 04:43 Alryk wrote:On February 01 2013 03:47 Rewera wrote:
This is the beginning of Kespa teams players domination. 12/20 preliminary winners but 16/20 runner-ups. Code A soon will be dominated by Kespa and then they will start to drag Code S players. One by one. Take them into Kepsa meatgrinder in code A, then Kespa meatgrinder in Code B an bye bye. Non Kespa teams will crumble. Then there will be one team-league [10-12 teams] and one single competition format. [Kespa Gom merger]. ...what. The vast majority of GOM A-team players are already in code A/S. For Kespa A-teamers to not have taken at least half the spots would have been very bad. Note only (I believe) soulkey making it to Ro16 this season, with Innovation to play later. hardly any kespa players made it through Up and Downs (one?). Code A is certainly not going to be dominated by kespa players anytime soon. On February 01 2013 04:01 BlazeFury01 wrote:On February 01 2013 03:48 Shellshock1122 wrote:
Idk I think it would be kind of embarrassing for Kespa to not make up the majority of finalists at this point. Almost all the good ESF players are already in the GSL so the Kespa players are only going up against low Code A and Code B talent. This isn't "kespa domination" It's only the start of the kespa domination. It's only going to get worst from here for the ESF players even if it does take a little bit longer. But it will eventually happen. If the start of kespa domination included Flash, Jaedong, Bbyong, sOs, Trap, and Fantasy all falling out of the U&D's, and only RorO and Soulkey (Innovation tonight) in Code S... kespa domination is not that great. Edit: You also aren't taking into account proportions. This could go either way, but how many ESF players were registered in comparison to Kespa players? If Kespa had more players participating, you would expect them to qualify more players. I've touched on the u/d situation before. Keep in min that the ESF players only had that one group to focus on and one group of maps. Whereas the Kespa players had many different players to practice for (Pro League) on an almost entirely different map pool. Flash himself even said that he didn't give his all in the u/d's because he clearly couldn't practice for it with his tight schedule for Pro League. I'm sure the same can be said about the rest of the players. Ahh yes... always excuses for people like you. I wonder when those will stop every kespa player in a GSL interview says "i barely practiced for my match because of proleague" have you genuinely not read any of them or do you think it's a huge kespa apologist conspiracy And yet most of the ESF players after their intreviews for Up and Down in the past have simply said that they practiced on ladder and practiced in a general sense so their practice is not much better than the Kespa players who claim they didnt do much practice for it. I think that it is Kespa apologist excuses just like they have been making excuses for ages. They were supposed to dominate after a month and then it was three months, and now it has been much much longer. Now it is "eventually". Perhaps people should just finally admit that there are some damn good players on both sides and there are some bad or average players on both sides. Many Kespa players look quite bad. What does that say about the whole "all kespa players will come in and dominate" attitude? The Kespa players know how to practice really well for opponents but that is something that can be learned and surely has by many ESF players. That is the only advantage they have beyond the fact that many of them were simply skilled at this style of game. Fortunately there are players like Life or Parting or even a guy like Stephano who are also skilled at these games. Stop trying to act like it will go all one way. It wont. Both sides have great players and both sides will continue to have them. Fuck the elephant argument BS. Also, I'm sure you saw how Taeja got stomped today. That's probably why your so bitter. What excuse are you going to use for that game? His hands are bad? He hasn't practiced? If that was the case he wouldn't have won his other two matches.
LOL So Taeja's hand issues don't count and the fact he wasnt able to practice much for ANYTHING(there have been quotes about that fyi) doesnt count, but Kespa players saying they didnt practice for a specific group is a viable excuse? ONE win by a Kespa player is supposed to prove some sort of argument for you? I don't cheer Kespa vs ESF. I cheer for players. I was happy Rain got back to Code A since he is a good player. I love kids like you who don't mind throwing out an argument and ignoring every fact that makes it look bad. Keep on being elitist and I'll keep watching good games with lots of dominating ESF players like Life rolling 3/4 of the tournaments he is in :D
Oh and I noticed that you are trying to claim 2.5 years is fair when new players to SC2 have thousands of VODs and coaches to teach them the game  None of your points hold water and you are a terrible troll to get proven wrong so easily. At least make people work.
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On February 01 2013 09:25 bittman wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2013 09:19 BlazeFury01 wrote:On February 01 2013 09:18 bittman wrote:On February 01 2013 09:14 vthree wrote:On February 01 2013 09:12 BlazeFury01 wrote:On February 01 2013 09:11 vthree wrote:On February 01 2013 09:10 BlazeFury01 wrote:On February 01 2013 09:08 vthree wrote:On February 01 2013 09:05 BlazeFury01 wrote:On February 01 2013 09:04 vthree wrote:
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I don't think sc2 fans hate on Kespa players. I think they just hate the elitist Kespa fans like you.
Cool, I'm an "elitist". And I will continue to stay one. Weren't you one of those people that said Kespa would dominate Code S by season 5 2012 when Kespa were winning games in WCS? No, I never said they'd be dominating a particular season. I said futuristically when they have a better understanding of the game or had as much time the ESF players had. Well, technically, they will never have as much time as eSF players...it is a moving goal post... No, 2 1/2 years is how much time they had. If Kespa players had 2 1/2 years then that would be more then enough. Why 2.5 years? Because everyone else had 2.5 years headstart (somehow). Meaning that when Kespa players get 2.5 years of practice they will arbitrarily be as good as the people playing for 5 years. Clearly the magic number. They've already caught up to the players who've played 2.5 years in well under a year. So, I don't see why you're trying to be sarcastic. Yes, I'm not denying that they haven't caught up. I don't know why you think this means that they'll then surpass ala the Elephant article which has been and will continue to be proven as an elitist mockery of genuinely good players that just don't happen to be in Kespa. Any sarcasm here is because it's honestly hard to take you seriously, which is why there are like 5 people refuting to everything you say.
Why don't u guys calm down !?
I'm not a Kespa fan, but I find this Kespa fan bashing, not even trying to understand what one says, annoying and childish as it can be. BlazeFury01's confident that Kespa players will be dominant at SC2, that's his call. Now to be fair, some of his arguments are not that bad. After all 6 months are not that much if you want to be among the very best. Of course at some point, which is not easy to identify precisely (and that's the whole problem here), Kespa players must be able to catch up as the game is constantly evolving and these guys are training a lot. From the start of this transition, I've thought this would be hard to achieve before HotS comes out but that's my point of view.
In BW, these guys were for sure the best in their art and showed us insane skills in a game very demanding in both micro/macro.
At least let's be pumped up about how well they'll be doing in SC2 HotS. Let the supporters on both Kespa and ESF side be over-confident about their favorite players, after all they're fans.
And ok, Kespa fanboys may be trying to find some bad excuses about their player (they practice for PL etc...), but tbh I don't think this is much worse compared to those claiming that Mvp (or Taeja) lost because of his wrists...
Grow up and enjoy this rivalry FFS !
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The whole kespa vs. esf at GSL and vice versa is so unproductive now because they're both focused on different things. Kespa players for now are all about SPL while ESF players are all about GSL. If one or the other triumphs over the other side's home territory we might be able to say something. But for now the argument "X side didn't practice for Y tournament" will always hold too much weight to declare the victor.
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On February 01 2013 15:14 samurai80 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2013 09:18 Die4Ever wrote:On February 01 2013 09:15 BlazeFury01 wrote:On February 01 2013 09:14 vthree wrote:On February 01 2013 09:12 BlazeFury01 wrote:On February 01 2013 09:11 vthree wrote:On February 01 2013 09:10 BlazeFury01 wrote:On February 01 2013 09:08 vthree wrote:On February 01 2013 09:05 BlazeFury01 wrote:On February 01 2013 09:04 vthree wrote:
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I don't think sc2 fans hate on Kespa players. I think they just hate the elitist Kespa fans like you.
Cool, I'm an "elitist". And I will continue to stay one. Weren't you one of those people that said Kespa would dominate Code S by season 5 2012 when Kespa were winning games in WCS? No, I never said they'd be dominating a particular season. I said futuristically when they have a better understanding of the game or had as much time the ESF players had. Well, technically, they will never have as much time as eSF players...it is a moving goal post... No, 2 1/2 years is how much time they had. If Kespa players had 2 1/2 years then that would be more then enough. Why 2.5 years? That's how much time the ESF players had before the Kespa transition. So by this logic, a new player can never catch up. We will be stuck watching the same players forever because it takes 2.5 years to learn the game. And SC2 is easier then BW yet it takes 2.5 years just to catch up to the current pros? I don't think that it was what he meant. In my humble opinion, I've always thought that Kespa wouldn't be able to catch up before HOTS, because they've left BW pro gaming for barely 6 months, which is, to be fair, not that much to become the best of your sport in the planet. Now that HOTS is coming, and given Kespa players have already the best RTS skills + the SC2 basics mastery (when I say basics I mean the part that what will be common with HOTS), I'm confident about seeing a lot of them in the top spots this year for HOTS. That said, I really don't believe in any sort of complete Kespa dominance, but it might be possible that at the end of this year, there are more Kespa than ESF players in code S.
Well, I think it is much guaranteed that there will be more Kespa players in Code S by the end of the year. Because even if the current Kespa players can't make it, it is likely Kespa will just buy up all the eSF players that are in Code S. Honestly, I think some sort of merge/take over transition will take place towards the end of this year. I don't think the Korean market can really support 2 leagues with this many players for another year.
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On February 01 2013 15:51 vthree wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2013 15:14 samurai80 wrote:On February 01 2013 09:18 Die4Ever wrote:On February 01 2013 09:15 BlazeFury01 wrote:On February 01 2013 09:14 vthree wrote:On February 01 2013 09:12 BlazeFury01 wrote:On February 01 2013 09:11 vthree wrote:On February 01 2013 09:10 BlazeFury01 wrote:On February 01 2013 09:08 vthree wrote:On February 01 2013 09:05 BlazeFury01 wrote:
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Cool, I'm an "elitist". And I will continue to stay one.
Weren't you one of those people that said Kespa would dominate Code S by season 5 2012 when Kespa were winning games in WCS? No, I never said they'd be dominating a particular season. I said futuristically when they have a better understanding of the game or had as much time the ESF players had. Well, technically, they will never have as much time as eSF players...it is a moving goal post... No, 2 1/2 years is how much time they had. If Kespa players had 2 1/2 years then that would be more then enough. Why 2.5 years? That's how much time the ESF players had before the Kespa transition. So by this logic, a new player can never catch up. We will be stuck watching the same players forever because it takes 2.5 years to learn the game. And SC2 is easier then BW yet it takes 2.5 years just to catch up to the current pros? I don't think that it was what he meant. In my humble opinion, I've always thought that Kespa wouldn't be able to catch up before HOTS, because they've left BW pro gaming for barely 6 months, which is, to be fair, not that much to become the best of your sport in the planet. Now that HOTS is coming, and given Kespa players have already the best RTS skills + the SC2 basics mastery (when I say basics I mean the part that what will be common with HOTS), I'm confident about seeing a lot of them in the top spots this year for HOTS. That said, I really don't believe in any sort of complete Kespa dominance, but it might be possible that at the end of this year, there are more Kespa than ESF players in code S. Well, I think it is much guaranteed that there will be more Kespa players in Code S by the end of the year. Because even if the current Kespa players can't make it, it is likely Kespa will just buy up all the eSF players that are in Code S. Honestly, I think some sort of merge/take over transition will take place towards the end of this year. I don't think the Korean market can really support 2 leagues with this many players for another year.
I should have clarified that I was mentionning the SC2 players that have transitionned from BW last summer. Not those like PartinG who have been hired by a Kespa team afterwards.
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Can anybody participate in the preliminaries or do you need a high master account or something?
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Are there 49 Players in the Code A - Round of 48 now?
Or did i miss sth?
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On February 02 2013 01:57 dnosrc wrote:
Are there 49 Players in the Code A - Round of 48 now?
Or did i miss sth?
There's 49 but John said GOMTV will be announcing something this weekend concerning it (speculation is someone forfeiting a spot)
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What happened to scarlett?
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I don't think she's in Korea yet so she didn't/couldn't play in the qualifiers
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On February 03 2013 04:33 Shellshock1122 wrote:
I don't think she's in Korea yet so she didn't/couldn't play in the qualifiers
Damn. I was hoping to see her qualify.
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On February 03 2013 01:39 Emzeeshady wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2013 15:14 samurai80 wrote:On February 01 2013 09:18 Die4Ever wrote:On February 01 2013 09:15 BlazeFury01 wrote:On February 01 2013 09:14 vthree wrote:On February 01 2013 09:12 BlazeFury01 wrote:On February 01 2013 09:11 vthree wrote:On February 01 2013 09:10 BlazeFury01 wrote:On February 01 2013 09:08 vthree wrote:On February 01 2013 09:05 BlazeFury01 wrote:
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Cool, I'm an "elitist". And I will continue to stay one.
Weren't you one of those people that said Kespa would dominate Code S by season 5 2012 when Kespa were winning games in WCS? No, I never said they'd be dominating a particular season. I said futuristically when they have a better understanding of the game or had as much time the ESF players had. Well, technically, they will never have as much time as eSF players...it is a moving goal post... No, 2 1/2 years is how much time they had. If Kespa players had 2 1/2 years then that would be more then enough. Why 2.5 years? That's how much time the ESF players had before the Kespa transition. So by this logic, a new player can never catch up. We will be stuck watching the same players forever because it takes 2.5 years to learn the game. And SC2 is easier then BW yet it takes 2.5 years just to catch up to the current pros? I don't think that it was what he meant. In my humble opinion, I've always thought that Kespa wouldn't be able to catch up before HOTS, because they've left BW pro gaming for barely 6 months, which is, to be fair, not that much to become the best of your sport in the planet.Now that HOTS is coming, and given Kespa players have already the best RTS skills + the SC2 basics mastery (when I say basics I mean the part that will be common with HOTS), I'm confident about seeing a lot of them in the top spots this year for HOTS. That said, I really don't believe in any sort of complete Kespa dominance, but it might be possible that at the end of this year, there are more Kespa than ESF players in code S. This isn't a sport. It is a video game. Mastering a video game so similar to the game they were the best at in 6 months should have been easy peasy if they were as talented as people claim they are but it wasn't...
I agree it is hard to say whether 6 months are enough or not but at this very high level I think this has some influence.
At least this is my opinion, and I think it can change things like a Kespa player will be "only" one of the best, instead of dominating everything (EDIT: if it had to happen of course, this is an example).
Especially because he'll have less knowledge about every player's style on each map.
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