On January 26 2013 15:09 negativedge wrote: why would they even bother with these interviews if they're just going to interrupt them with commercials every ten seconds
filler content for subs, also all of these interviews have been posted on here afaik
On January 26 2013 15:09 negativedge wrote: why would they even bother with these interviews if they're just going to interrupt them with commercials every ten seconds
1. They need money 2. They need something to entertain the subscribers
With JD , Revival and Stephano available, I wonder why they open with Zenio Revival is well rounded to play vs any race, better choice imo Then you use JD if you need ZvZ snipe, or Stephano if you need a ZvT or a ZvP snipe (assuming you want to field a Zerg, obv)
On January 26 2013 15:09 negativedge wrote: why would they even bother with these interviews if they're just going to interrupt them with commercials every ten seconds
1. They need money 2. They need something to entertain the subscribers
100 Commercial spam doesn't help if they "need money". It's really just an annoyance.
On January 26 2013 15:16 Ace Frehley wrote: With JD , Revival and Stephano available, I wonder why they open with Zenio Revival is well rounded to play vs any race, better choice imo Then you use JD if you need ZvZ snipe, or Stephano if you need a ZvT or a ZvP snipe (assuming you want to field a Zerg, obv)
I guess they thought STX would open with a Zerg. Zenio's ZvZ is better then Revivals imo.
On January 26 2013 15:16 Ace Frehley wrote: With JD , Revival and Stephano available, I wonder why they open with Zenio Revival is well rounded to play vs any race, better choice imo Then you use JD if you need ZvZ snipe, or Stephano if you need a ZvT or a ZvP snipe (assuming you want to field a Zerg, obv)
Yeah but we know Zenio can be great and has probably been preparing.for this quite a while. I also think its important to play a variety of players from your team to show loyalty and confidence. Plus bogus isn't scary lately so Zenio could pay off.
Haven't seen zenio play for quite some time, pretty surprising opening. I'd like to have seen revival first, cause he's strong and really well rounded.
On January 26 2013 15:26 Devolved wrote: Does anyone know the practice situation of EG-TL in Korea? Is there an EG-TL team house?
EG has a team house they call "The Lab" and I think they have to practice 8 hours minimum before streaming. EG.Lectr or whatever his name is posted it in a thread one time
On January 03 2013 12:00 LingBlingBling wrote: I hope he does not go to EG, Seems like Koreans don't get enough practice on EG, they get paid well, but the Korean team train environment is 20x better then anything EG could provide.
I guess EG is just appealing.
Hell, who wouldn't want a fat check and an organization that has no strict practice schedule, and that couldn't give 2 shits about if you win or lose as long as you wear their logo, make some tweets, and do a commercial or two.
Those Koreans on EG that you're talking about actually have a very strict practice schedule (much more so than in our NA house). They are not allowed to live in the house unless they commit 8 hours a day to training. They have designated break times, designated practice partner times, designated free play time (i.e. streaming), and do all of this seven days a week.
In addition to that, our Korean coach (Trot) tracks the hours they spend practicing and reports those hours to our GM daily. He also evaluates the players every other day with our GM in a personal manner. From reporting about Proleague matches, to discussing roster draws, to informing our management of any additional needs or suggestions from our players, the conversation between our Korea house and our core management is ongoing.
So no, I'd say we have quite the practice schedule and that we do "give two shits about winning or losing."
On January 26 2013 15:26 Devolved wrote: Does anyone know the practice situation of EG-TL in Korea? Is there an EG-TL team house?
EG has a team house they call "The Lab" and I think they have to practice 8 hours minimum before streaming. EG.Lectr or whatever his name is posted it in a thread one time
On January 03 2013 12:00 LingBlingBling wrote: I hope he does not go to EG, Seems like Koreans don't get enough practice on EG, they get paid well, but the Korean team train environment is 20x better then anything EG could provide.
I guess EG is just appealing.
Hell, who wouldn't want a fat check and an organization that has no strict practice schedule, and that couldn't give 2 shits about if you win or lose as long as you wear their logo, make some tweets, and do a commercial or two.
Those Koreans on EG that you're talking about actually have a very strict practice schedule (much more so than in our NA house). They are not allowed to live in the house unless they commit 8 hours a day to training. They have designated break times, designated practice partner times, designated free play time (i.e. streaming), and do all of this seven days a week.
In addition to that, our Korean coach (Trot) tracks the hours they spend practicing and reports those hours to our GM daily. He also evaluates the players every other day with our GM in a personal manner. From reporting about Proleague matches, to discussing roster draws, to informing our management of any additional needs or suggestions from our players, the conversation between our Korea house and our core management is ongoing.
So no, I'd say we have quite the practice schedule and that we do "give two shits about winning or losing."
source: PartinG leaves ST thread
This just proves how ignorant some posters are and its actually pretty irritating. I'm glad lectr said something.
On January 26 2013 15:27 Emzeeshady wrote: I hope Major loses some weight in Korea :/. He must be a confirmation of a stereotype for the Koreans there
I spent 2 weeks in Korea and lost about 8 pounds. Its extremely difficult not to lose weight. You pretty much have to go out of your way to eat shitty in Korea. And the fact that you ride a bus and/or walk to most places keeps you active. Naniwa lost a lot of weight in Korea.
On January 26 2013 15:26 Devolved wrote: Does anyone know the practice situation of EG-TL in Korea? Is there an EG-TL team house?
EG has a team house they call "The Lab" and I think they have to practice 8 hours minimum before streaming. EG.Lectr or whatever his name is posted it in a thread one time
On January 03 2013 12:00 LingBlingBling wrote: I hope he does not go to EG, Seems like Koreans don't get enough practice on EG, they get paid well, but the Korean team train environment is 20x better then anything EG could provide.
I guess EG is just appealing.
Hell, who wouldn't want a fat check and an organization that has no strict practice schedule, and that couldn't give 2 shits about if you win or lose as long as you wear their logo, make some tweets, and do a commercial or two.
Those Koreans on EG that you're talking about actually have a very strict practice schedule (much more so than in our NA house). They are not allowed to live in the house unless they commit 8 hours a day to training. They have designated break times, designated practice partner times, designated free play time (i.e. streaming), and do all of this seven days a week.
In addition to that, our Korean coach (Trot) tracks the hours they spend practicing and reports those hours to our GM daily. He also evaluates the players every other day with our GM in a personal manner. From reporting about Proleague matches, to discussing roster draws, to informing our management of any additional needs or suggestions from our players, the conversation between our Korea house and our core management is ongoing.
So no, I'd say we have quite the practice schedule and that we do "give two shits about winning or losing."
On January 26 2013 15:35 ETisME wrote: there are so little people watching SPL all the time, I wonder if they are gonna find a way to improve this situation...
On January 26 2013 15:27 Emzeeshady wrote: I hope Major loses some weight in Korea :/. He must be a confirmation of a stereotype for the Koreans there
What the hell is that supposed to mean. That's a pretty inappropriate comment.
If you've been to Korea, you'd understand. An extremely small portion of the Korean population is even remotely overweight. The Western world, particularly North America (which mexico is a part of) is wayyyyyy more commonly fat. Even 30% somewhat overweight, which is really conservative, is a huge difference compared to Korea. As such, North America is known for being overweight in Korean culture.
[SPL] STX SouL vs EG-Liquid R2 Game 1: 0-0 Bogus (Innovation) vs Zenio Map: Antiga Shipyard
0:00 Bogus spawns in the top right Zenio spawns in the bottom left
2:00 Hatch first for Zenio CC first for Bogus on the high ground to wall off pool for Zenio rax for Bogus
3:00 drones and scvs
4:00 3rd CC for Bogus inside his main Bogus lands his natural CC
5:00 double gas for Zenio 3 more rax for Bogus to help wall off his natural ramp - original rax floats down to complete wall off double gas for Bogus
6:00 3rd base for Zenio tech lab for Bogus Lair for Zenio combat shields started for Bogus Roach warren started for Zenio double evo for Zenio Zenio sees 3 mules mining at the natural with his overlord
7:00 2 more gas for Zenio 2 more gas for Bogus 1-1 ling upgades started for Zenio Factory for Bogus a few roaches started for Zenio Roach speed started for Zenio
8:00 double ebay for Bogus overseer scouts the whole base of Bogus marines moving across the map for Bogus as combat shields finish Bogus sees Zenio's natural wall and roaches starting to spawn so he backs off
9:00 1-1 started for Bogus stim research started for Bogus starport for Bogus Bogus lands his 3rd OC burrow research started for Zenio ling speed started for Zenio baneling nest started for Zenio Marauder production started for Bogus concussive shells started for Bogus
10:00 armory for Bogus medivac production started for Bogus Spire started for Zenio overlord speed for Zenio Roaches move in and force a lift on Bogus's 3rd 2 more rax for Bogus siege mode research started for Bogus siege tank production started for Bogus
[SPL] STX SouL vs EG-Liquid R2 Game 1: 0-0 Bogus (Innovation) vs Zenio Map: Antiga Shipyard
0:00 Bogus spawns in the top right Zenio spawns in the bottom left
2:00 Hatch first for Zenio CC first for Bogus on the high ground to wall off pool for Zenio rax for Bogus
3:00 drones and scvs
4:00 3rd CC for Bogus inside his main Bogus lands his natural CC
5:00 double gas for Zenio 3 more rax for Bogus to help wall off his natural ramp - original rax floats down to complete wall off double gas for Bogus
6:00 3rd base for Zenio tech lab for Bogus Lair for Zenio combat shields started for Bogus Roach warren started for Zenio double evo for Zenio Zenio sees 3 mules mining at the natural with his overlord
7:00 2 more gas for Zenio 2 more gas for Bogus 1-1 ling upgades started for Zenio Factory for Bogus a few roaches started for Zenio Roach speed started for Zenio
8:00 double ebay for Bogus overseer scouts the whole base of Bogus marines moving across the map for Bogus as combat shields finish Bogus sees Zenio's natural wall and roaches starting to spawn so he backs off
9:00 1-1 started for Bogus stim research started for Bogus starport for Bogus Bogus lands his 3rd OC burrow research started for Zenio ling speed started for Zenio baneling nest started for Zenio Marauder production started for Bogus concussive shells started for Bogus
10:00 armory for Bogus medivac production started for Bogus Spire started for Zenio overlord speed for Zenio Roaches move in and force a lift on Bogus's 3rd 2 more rax for Bogus siege mode research started for Bogus siege tank production started for Bogus
11:00 burrowed ling under the 3rd CC forces a scan macro hatch started for Zenio
12:00 4th base started for Zenio at the top left third baneling speed for Zenio muta production started for Zenio 2-2 ling upgrades on the way for Zenio +2 armor started for Bogus 2nd factory for Bogus missile turrets going up for Bogus infestation pit for Zenio
13:00 bogus sends his bio force out to the middle but the roach ling muta army pushes Bogus back to his natural/3rd +2 attack started for Bogus Bogus almost kills his own tank
14:00 baneling rolls into Bogus's 3rd mineral line but it's waiting for +2 to finish so it can 1 shot the scvs +1 vehicle weapons started for Bogus +2 finishes for Zenio Hive started for Zenio Bogus moves out at 180 supply to take his 4th base in the middle
15:00 Zenio swings in from 2 sides as Bogus lands his 4th CC Bogus is able to hold off the zerg attack and takes a 20 supply lead Bogus sends his bio over to snipe the 4th base of Zeino
On January 26 2013 15:35 ETisME wrote: there are so little people watching SPL all the time, I wonder if they are gonna find a way to improve this situation...
On January 26 2013 14:20 Aegeis wrote: oh wow this the venue looks filled, I was expecting Pro-league to start filling out around Round 3 but this is nice.
I can't help but notice the difference between the two LR threads today >_>
[SPL] STX SouL vs EG-Liquid R2 Game 1: 0-0 Bogus (Innovation) vs Zenio Map: Antiga Shipyard
0:00 Bogus spawns in the top right Zenio spawns in the bottom left
2:00 Hatch first for Zenio CC first for Bogus on the high ground to wall off pool for Zenio rax for Bogus
3:00 drones and scvs
4:00 3rd CC for Bogus inside his main Bogus lands his natural CC
5:00 double gas for Zenio 3 more rax for Bogus to help wall off his natural ramp - original rax floats down to complete wall off double gas for Bogus
6:00 3rd base for Zenio tech lab for Bogus Lair for Zenio combat shields started for Bogus Roach warren started for Zenio double evo for Zenio Zenio sees 3 mules mining at the natural with his overlord
7:00 2 more gas for Zenio 2 more gas for Bogus 1-1 ling upgades started for Zenio Factory for Bogus a few roaches started for Zenio Roach speed started for Zenio
8:00 double ebay for Bogus overseer scouts the whole base of Bogus marines moving across the map for Bogus as combat shields finish Bogus sees Zenio's natural wall and roaches starting to spawn so he backs off
9:00 1-1 started for Bogus stim research started for Bogus starport for Bogus Bogus lands his 3rd OC burrow research started for Zenio ling speed started for Zenio baneling nest started for Zenio Marauder production started for Bogus concussive shells started for Bogus
10:00 armory for Bogus medivac production started for Bogus Spire started for Zenio overlord speed for Zenio Roaches move in and force a lift on Bogus's 3rd 2 more rax for Bogus siege mode research started for Bogus siege tank production started for Bogus
11:00 burrowed ling under the 3rd CC forces a scan macro hatch started for Zenio
12:00 4th base started for Zenio at the top left third baneling speed for Zenio muta production started for Zenio 2-2 ling upgrades on the way for Zenio +2 armor started for Bogus 2nd factory for Bogus missile turrets going up for Bogus infestation pit for Zenio
13:00 bogus sends his bio force out to the middle but the roach ling muta army pushes Bogus back to his natural/3rd +2 attack started for Bogus Bogus almost kills his own tank
14:00 baneling rolls into Bogus's 3rd mineral line but it's waiting for +2 to finish so it can 1 shot the scvs +1 vehicle weapons started for Bogus +2 finishes for Zenio Hive started for Zenio Bogus moves out at 180 supply to take his 4th base in the middle
15:00 Zenio swings in from 2 sides as Bogus lands his 4th CC Bogus is able to hold off the zerg attack and takes a 20 supply lead Bogus sends his bio over to snipe the 4th base of Zeino
16:00 the 4th of Zenio dies the army of Zenio shows up right afterwards Bogus splits his bio force but Zenio is still able to push it back 4th base restarted for Zenio Greater spire started for Zenio
17:00 Zenio tries to take the center from the bio of Bogus but loses a lot of lings and banes to tank fire Bogus moves forward with his bio and starts clearing up creep Bogus is ahead 30 supply 5th CC started for Bogus 5th base started for Zenio at the bottom right main Bogus sends his bio over to the 4th of Zenio
18:00 sensor tower in the middle for Bogus 4th base of Zenio is killed Corruptors are out for Zenio Tanks are moved onto the center high ground 5 brood lords morphing for Zenio
19:00 3-3 on the way for both players +2 vehicle attack started for Bogus Zenio's army is cornered in the bottom right of the map Brood lords are moving over to try and save Zenio's base and army another marine force of Bogus starts cleaning up more creep
20:00 Brood lords start hitting the tanks of Bogus Zenio still loses most of his ground army and the mutas the bio is trying to move under the brood lords but there are too many brood lings holding them back so Bogus lifts 2 more starports started for Bogus
[SPL] STX SouL vs EG-Liquid R2 Game 1: 0-0 Bogus (Innovation) vs Zenio Map: Antiga Shipyard
0:00 Bogus spawns in the top right Zenio spawns in the bottom left
2:00 Hatch first for Zenio CC first for Bogus on the high ground to wall off pool for Zenio rax for Bogus
3:00 drones and scvs
4:00 3rd CC for Bogus inside his main Bogus lands his natural CC
5:00 double gas for Zenio 3 more rax for Bogus to help wall off his natural ramp - original rax floats down to complete wall off double gas for Bogus
6:00 3rd base for Zenio tech lab for Bogus Lair for Zenio combat shields started for Bogus Roach warren started for Zenio double evo for Zenio Zenio sees 3 mules mining at the natural with his overlord
7:00 2 more gas for Zenio 2 more gas for Bogus 1-1 ling upgades started for Zenio Factory for Bogus a few roaches started for Zenio Roach speed started for Zenio
8:00 double ebay for Bogus overseer scouts the whole base of Bogus marines moving across the map for Bogus as combat shields finish Bogus sees Zenio's natural wall and roaches starting to spawn so he backs off
9:00 1-1 started for Bogus stim research started for Bogus starport for Bogus Bogus lands his 3rd OC burrow research started for Zenio ling speed started for Zenio baneling nest started for Zenio Marauder production started for Bogus concussive shells started for Bogus
10:00 armory for Bogus medivac production started for Bogus Spire started for Zenio overlord speed for Zenio Roaches move in and force a lift on Bogus's 3rd 2 more rax for Bogus siege mode research started for Bogus siege tank production started for Bogus
11:00 burrowed ling under the 3rd CC forces a scan macro hatch started for Zenio
12:00 4th base started for Zenio at the top left third baneling speed for Zenio muta production started for Zenio 2-2 ling upgrades on the way for Zenio +2 armor started for Bogus 2nd factory for Bogus missile turrets going up for Bogus infestation pit for Zenio
13:00 bogus sends his bio force out to the middle but the roach ling muta army pushes Bogus back to his natural/3rd +2 attack started for Bogus Bogus almost kills his own tank
14:00 baneling rolls into Bogus's 3rd mineral line but it's waiting for +2 to finish so it can 1 shot the scvs +1 vehicle weapons started for Bogus +2 finishes for Zenio Hive started for Zenio Bogus moves out at 180 supply to take his 4th base in the middle
15:00 Zenio swings in from 2 sides as Bogus lands his 4th CC Bogus is able to hold off the zerg attack and takes a 20 supply lead Bogus sends his bio over to snipe the 4th base of Zeino
16:00 the 4th of Zenio dies the army of Zenio shows up right afterwards Bogus splits his bio force but Zenio is still able to push it back 4th base restarted for Zenio Greater spire started for Zenio
17:00 Zenio tries to take the center from the bio of Bogus but loses a lot of lings and banes to tank fire Bogus moves forward with his bio and starts clearing up creep Bogus is ahead 30 supply 5th CC started for Bogus 5th base started for Zenio at the bottom right main Bogus sends his bio over to the 4th of Zenio
18:00 sensor tower in the middle for Bogus 4th base of Zenio is killed Corruptors are out for Zenio Tanks are moved onto the center high ground 5 brood lords morphing for Zenio
19:00 3-3 on the way for both players +2 vehicle attack started for Bogus Zenio's army is cornered in the bottom right of the map Brood lords are moving over to try and save Zenio's base and army another marine force of Bogus starts cleaning up more creep
20:00 Brood lords start hitting the tanks of Bogus Zenio still loses most of his ground army and the mutas the bio is trying to move under the brood lords but there are too many brood lings holding them back so Bogus lifts 2 more starports started for Bogus
21:00 PF morphing at Bogus's 5th base in the top left main ling runby at the 3rd of Bogus is cleaned up 4th base restarted for Zenio but Bogus's army is right there so he cancels drop at the 5th base of Zenio Zenio loses his 5th before brood lords can save it
22:00 +1 ship weapons started for Bogus +2 building armor and auto tracking started for Bogus Bogus pushing towards the main of Zenio with his army drop in the natural of Zenio infestors finally coming out for Zenio 2 bases starting in the bottom right for Zenio
23:00 Bogus is maxed vs 136 supply 4th base restartedf or Zenio bottom right bases of Zenio are being attacked by marines Zenio moves forward to engage the army of Bogus medivacs marines and vikings all get fungaled but it isn't enough Zenio is dropping in supply 5th base of Zenio is killed by a drop Bogus is up 80 supply
24:00 8 vikings being made at a time for Bogus Bogus 100 supply ahead at max drop at the 3rd of Zenio vikings start picking off the brood lords
25:00 Zenio loses his brood lords Zenio ggs! Bogus takes game 1 for STX SouL!
so sad i have to mute the stream because of the casters ... i just ... why they hire them ? saying things like "zenio will crush this army NO PROBLEM" and then he loses everything and enemyhas 60 supply lead ... it was obvious before the fight so they really need to learn more about the game its not that they cast bad but it sounds like some silver guys casting
Looked like Zenio had it earlier on but then he botched that engagement and everything went downhill when he lost his 4th and Bogus was up one base. Wonder who's next
On January 26 2013 15:53 CoR wrote: so sad i have to mute the stream because of the casters ... i just ... why they hire them ? saying things like "zenio will crush this army NO PROBLEM" and then he loses everything and enemyhas 60 supply lead ... it was obvious before the fight so they really need to learn more about the game its not that they cast bad but it sounds like some silver guys casting
On January 26 2013 15:53 CoR wrote: so sad i have to mute the stream because of the casters ... i just ... why they hire them ? saying things like "zenio will crush this army NO PROBLEM" and then he loses everything and enemyhas 60 supply lead ... it was obvious before the fight so they really need to learn more about the game its not that they cast bad but it sounds like some silver guys casting
GOGO EG
I think Whiplash is doing all right, he just has trouble trying to work around SNM.
Oh yeah, let's send JYP to kill the Terran, and not just the Terran, The Innovation Terran. Real smart. Still rooting for EG-TL but choices like these make it difficult.
On January 26 2013 15:56 WarrickHunt wrote: So one of Stephano, Jaedong and HerO isn't playing :s
id say stephano isnt going to be sent off against zergs and terrans,thats his gsl group.id say the only chance to see stephano is if its tied 3-3 and stx's last player is P
On January 26 2013 15:55 BretZ wrote: Yikes. The EGTL coach really like to try to disprove the JYPvT theory
I think his PvT win rate in Proleague is actually ok (small sample size but I think he still has a winning record). I know he scored 2 kills against Terrans vs SKT including a victory vs Fantasy
I feel like Zenio is a very bad starter for allkill format. His chances of getting multiple kills are very very small. It would have been much better to use him as a ZvZ sniper if necessary later on, no?
This may be kind of ignorant but... the coaching of EG-TL.. I don't get it.
Just a 1 min research and I am really confused.
Okay so the first player you send out should pereferably be a player that is balanced in all matchups cause you do not know which race he will play against. Taking a quick look at Zenio's TLO record he got, ZvP 68.85%, ZvZ 52.05% and ZvT 44.79% win record.
So first is Zenio far from evenly balanced through the matchups. Second it is Antiga shipyard. Not exactly a zerg map, rather is it considered to be one of the best terran maps. Therefor a terran is the most likely opponent. Which Zenio has a 44.79% win ratio against.
So am I missing something or did EG-TL potentially pick their worst possible starting player.... is their coach an idiot or am I missing something?
On January 26 2013 16:00 4ZakeN87 wrote: This may be kind of ignorant but... the coaching of EG-TL.. I don't get it.
Just a 1 min research and I am really confused.
Okay so the first player you send out should pereferably be a player that is balanced in all match ups cause you do not know which race he will play against. Taking a quick look at Zenio's TLO record, ZvP 68.85%, ZvZ 52.05% and ZvT 44.79%.
Okay so first is Zenio far from evenly balanced through the matchups. Second it is Antiga shipyard. Not exactly a zerg map, rather is it considered to be one of the best terran maps. Therefor a terran is the most likely opponent. Which Zenio has a 44.79% win ratio against.
So am I missing something or did EG-TL potentially pick their worst possible starting player.... is their coach an idiot or am I missing something?
You have no way of knowing how their in house practices and training goes, so let's not shit on the coach too much. Maybe zenio is a beast in house.
On January 26 2013 16:00 4ZakeN87 wrote: This may be kind of ignorant but... the coaching of EG-TL.. I don't get it.
Just a 1 min research and I am really confused.
Okay so the first player you send out should pereferably be a player that is balanced in all matchups cause you do not know which race he will play against. Taking a quick look at Zenio's TLO record he got, ZvP 68.85%, ZvZ 52.05% and ZvT 44.79% win record.
So first is Zenio far from evenly balanced through the matchups. Second it is Antiga shipyard. Not exactly a zerg map, rather is it considered to be one of the best terran maps. Therefor a terran is the most likely opponent. Which Zenio has a 44.79% win ratio against.
So am I missing something or did EG-TL potentially pick their worst possible starting player.... is their coach an idiot or am I missing something?
You should copy+paste this in your application for the gig
On January 26 2013 16:00 4ZakeN87 wrote: This may be kind of ignorant but... the coaching of EG-TL.. I don't get it.
Just a 1 min research and I am really confused.
Okay so the first player you send out should pereferably be a player that is balanced in all match ups cause you do not know which race he will play against. Taking a quick look at Zenio's TLO record, ZvP 68.85%, ZvZ 52.05% and ZvT 44.79%.
Okay so first is Zenio far from evenly balanced through the matchups. Second it is Antiga shipyard. Not exactly a zerg map, rather is it considered to be one of the best terran maps. Therefor a terran is the most likely opponent. Which Zenio has a 44.79% win ratio against.
So am I missing something or did EG-TL potentially pick their worst possible starting player.... is their coach an idiot or am I missing something?
the coach knows more than you. zenio might be very good at zvt in practice now or something like that.
On January 26 2013 16:00 4ZakeN87 wrote: This may be kind of ignorant but... the coaching of EG-TL.. I don't get it.
Just a 1 min research and I am really confused.
Okay so the first player you send out should pereferably be a player that is balanced in all matchups cause you do not know which race he will play against. Taking a quick look at Zenio's TLO record he got, ZvP 68.85%, ZvZ 52.05% and ZvT 44.79% win record.
So first is Zenio far from evenly balanced through the matchups. Second it is Antiga shipyard. Not exactly a zerg map, rather is it considered to be one of the best terran maps. Therefor a terran is the most likely opponent. Which Zenio has a 44.79% win ratio against.
So am I missing something or did EG-TL potentially pick their worst possible starting player.... is their coach an idiot or am I missing something?
Are those numbers from his International TLPD? These are his korean win rates All: 71-81 (46.71%) | vT: 28-41 (40.58%) | vZ: 28-14 (66.67%) | vP: 15-26 (36.59%) | but yea like people said he might look really good in practice and some of these numbers can be pretty outdated since they go pretty far back and we rarely see Zenio play tournament games these days since he's not in GSL
On January 26 2013 16:00 4ZakeN87 wrote: This may be kind of ignorant but... the coaching of EG-TL.. I don't get it.
Just a 1 min research and I am really confused.
Okay so the first player you send out should pereferably be a player that is balanced in all matchups cause you do not know which race he will play against. Taking a quick look at Zenio's TLO record he got, ZvP 68.85%, ZvZ 52.05% and ZvT 44.79% win record.
So first is Zenio far from evenly balanced through the matchups. Second it is Antiga shipyard. Not exactly a zerg map, rather is it considered to be one of the best terran maps. Therefor a terran is the most likely opponent. Which Zenio has a 44.79% win ratio against.
So am I missing something or did EG-TL potentially pick their worst possible starting player.... is their coach an idiot or am I missing something?
Puma and huk are even worse... But yeah, egtl coach blows -_-... Fields shit players randomly for no reason while leaving guys like jaedong or stephano out of the lineup.
On January 26 2013 16:00 4ZakeN87 wrote: This may be kind of ignorant but... the coaching of EG-TL.. I don't get it.
Just a 1 min research and I am really confused.
Okay so the first player you send out should pereferably be a player that is balanced in all match ups cause you do not know which race he will play against. Taking a quick look at Zenio's TLO record, ZvP 68.85%, ZvZ 52.05% and ZvT 44.79%.
Okay so first is Zenio far from evenly balanced through the matchups. Second it is Antiga shipyard. Not exactly a zerg map, rather is it considered to be one of the best terran maps. Therefor a terran is the most likely opponent. Which Zenio has a 44.79% win ratio against.
So am I missing something or did EG-TL potentially pick their worst possible starting player.... is their coach an idiot or am I missing something?
the coach knows more than you. zenio might be very good at zvt in practice now or something like that.
Right, that's why he's been winning all of those zvts.
Being good in practice doesn't mean shit if you've proven time and time again that you choke in that matchup on stage.
On January 26 2013 16:00 4ZakeN87 wrote: This may be kind of ignorant but... the coaching of EG-TL.. I don't get it.
Just a 1 min research and I am really confused.
Okay so the first player you send out should pereferably be a player that is balanced in all match ups cause you do not know which race he will play against. Taking a quick look at Zenio's TLO record, ZvP 68.85%, ZvZ 52.05% and ZvT 44.79%.
Okay so first is Zenio far from evenly balanced through the matchups. Second it is Antiga shipyard. Not exactly a zerg map, rather is it considered to be one of the best terran maps. Therefor a terran is the most likely opponent. Which Zenio has a 44.79% win ratio against.
So am I missing something or did EG-TL potentially pick their worst possible starting player.... is their coach an idiot or am I missing something?
the coach knows more than you. zenio might be very good at zvt in practice now or something like that.
Clearly not, because the coach is responsible for like half of EGTLs losses -_-
On January 26 2013 16:00 4ZakeN87 wrote: This may be kind of ignorant but... the coaching of EG-TL.. I don't get it.
Just a 1 min research and I am really confused.
Okay so the first player you send out should pereferably be a player that is balanced in all matchups cause you do not know which race he will play against. Taking a quick look at Zenio's TLO record he got, ZvP 68.85%, ZvZ 52.05% and ZvT 44.79% win record.
So first is Zenio far from evenly balanced through the matchups. Second it is Antiga shipyard. Not exactly a zerg map, rather is it considered to be one of the best terran maps. Therefor a terran is the most likely opponent. Which Zenio has a 44.79% win ratio against.
So am I missing something or did EG-TL potentially pick their worst possible starting player.... is their coach an idiot or am I missing something?
I find it hard to believe he has that good win rate. Don't trust TLPD for everything. Anitga shipyard isn't a good map for TvZ apparently there too. :D
but they really shouldn't field Zenio, that I agree. he is a league below everyone in the team along with puma right now
On January 26 2013 16:00 4ZakeN87 wrote: This may be kind of ignorant but... the coaching of EG-TL.. I don't get it.
Just a 1 min research and I am really confused.
Okay so the first player you send out should pereferably be a player that is balanced in all match ups cause you do not know which race he will play against. Taking a quick look at Zenio's TLO record, ZvP 68.85%, ZvZ 52.05% and ZvT 44.79%.
Okay so first is Zenio far from evenly balanced through the matchups. Second it is Antiga shipyard. Not exactly a zerg map, rather is it considered to be one of the best terran maps. Therefor a terran is the most likely opponent. Which Zenio has a 44.79% win ratio against.
So am I missing something or did EG-TL potentially pick their worst possible starting player.... is their coach an idiot or am I missing something?
the coach knows more than you. zenio might be very good at zvt in practice now or something like that.
People always say stuff like this, but it's also possible that the coach both knows more than we do, and is really bad at picking players.
On January 26 2013 16:00 4ZakeN87 wrote: This may be kind of ignorant but... the coaching of EG-TL.. I don't get it.
Just a 1 min research and I am really confused.
Okay so the first player you send out should pereferably be a player that is balanced in all match ups cause you do not know which race he will play against. Taking a quick look at Zenio's TLO record, ZvP 68.85%, ZvZ 52.05% and ZvT 44.79%.
Okay so first is Zenio far from evenly balanced through the matchups. Second it is Antiga shipyard. Not exactly a zerg map, rather is it considered to be one of the best terran maps. Therefor a terran is the most likely opponent. Which Zenio has a 44.79% win ratio against.
So am I missing something or did EG-TL potentially pick their worst possible starting player.... is their coach an idiot or am I missing something?
the coach knows more than you. zenio might be very good at zvt in practice now or something like that.
Well I would hope so. Did´nt really look like it in the match though. Looked like he kinda sucked in ZvT, which his pretty long TLO ranking also suggest.
On January 26 2013 16:00 4ZakeN87 wrote: This may be kind of ignorant but... the coaching of EG-TL.. I don't get it.
Just a 1 min research and I am really confused.
Okay so the first player you send out should pereferably be a player that is balanced in all match ups cause you do not know which race he will play against. Taking a quick look at Zenio's TLO record, ZvP 68.85%, ZvZ 52.05% and ZvT 44.79%.
Okay so first is Zenio far from evenly balanced through the matchups. Second it is Antiga shipyard. Not exactly a zerg map, rather is it considered to be one of the best terran maps. Therefor a terran is the most likely opponent. Which Zenio has a 44.79% win ratio against.
So am I missing something or did EG-TL potentially pick their worst possible starting player.... is their coach an idiot or am I missing something?
the coach knows more than you. zenio might be very good at zvt in practice now or something like that.
Right, that's why he's been winning all of those zvts.
Being good in practice doesn't mean shit if you've proven time and time again that you choke in that matchup on stage.
How else are they meant to get better if showing good signs in practice still doesn't allow you to get a go on stage?
On January 26 2013 16:00 4ZakeN87 wrote: This may be kind of ignorant but... the coaching of EG-TL.. I don't get it.
Just a 1 min research and I am really confused.
Okay so the first player you send out should pereferably be a player that is balanced in all matchups cause you do not know which race he will play against. Taking a quick look at Zenio's TLO record he got, ZvP 68.85%, ZvZ 52.05% and ZvT 44.79% win record.
So first is Zenio far from evenly balanced through the matchups. Second it is Antiga shipyard. Not exactly a zerg map, rather is it considered to be one of the best terran maps. Therefor a terran is the most likely opponent. Which Zenio has a 44.79% win ratio against.
So am I missing something or did EG-TL potentially pick their worst possible starting player.... is their coach an idiot or am I missing something?
Puma and huk are even worse... But yeah, egtl coach blows -_-... Fields shit players randomly for no reason while leaving guys like jaedong or stephano out of the lineup.
JD is only a ZvZ sniper, Stephano loses vs zerg a lot. Playing someone like Stephano right now is fucking stupid. Stop bashing I'm glad you are not the Eg-TL coach.
On January 26 2013 16:00 4ZakeN87 wrote: This may be kind of ignorant but... the coaching of EG-TL.. I don't get it.
Just a 1 min research and I am really confused.
Okay so the first player you send out should pereferably be a player that is balanced in all matchups cause you do not know which race he will play against. Taking a quick look at Zenio's TLO record he got, ZvP 68.85%, ZvZ 52.05% and ZvT 44.79% win record.
So first is Zenio far from evenly balanced through the matchups. Second it is Antiga shipyard. Not exactly a zerg map, rather is it considered to be one of the best terran maps. Therefor a terran is the most likely opponent. Which Zenio has a 44.79% win ratio against.
So am I missing something or did EG-TL potentially pick their worst possible starting player.... is their coach an idiot or am I missing something?
Puma and huk are even worse... But yeah, egtl coach blows -_-... Fields shit players randomly for no reason while leaving guys like jaedong or stephano out of the lineup.
JD is only a ZvZ sniper, Stephano loses vs zerg a lot. Playing someone like Stephano right now is fucking stupid. Stop bashing I'm glad you are not the Eg-TL coach.
Hero? Revival? Jyp? Even Jaedong is leagues better than puma, huk, and zenio. Those three should NEVER ever be fielded in proleague.
On January 26 2013 16:00 4ZakeN87 wrote: This may be kind of ignorant but... the coaching of EG-TL.. I don't get it.
Just a 1 min research and I am really confused.
Okay so the first player you send out should pereferably be a player that is balanced in all matchups cause you do not know which race he will play against. Taking a quick look at Zenio's TLO record he got, ZvP 68.85%, ZvZ 52.05% and ZvT 44.79% win record.
So first is Zenio far from evenly balanced through the matchups. Second it is Antiga shipyard. Not exactly a zerg map, rather is it considered to be one of the best terran maps. Therefor a terran is the most likely opponent. Which Zenio has a 44.79% win ratio against.
So am I missing something or did EG-TL potentially pick their worst possible starting player.... is their coach an idiot or am I missing something?
Puma and huk are even worse... But yeah, egtl coach blows -_-... Fields shit players randomly for no reason while leaving guys like jaedong or stephano out of the lineup.
To be fair, GSL often gets in the way. Can't send out Stephano this week, seeing as how he's got his group coming up soon. JaeDong had matches against Flash the day of the All-Kill.
On January 26 2013 16:00 4ZakeN87 wrote: This may be kind of ignorant but... the coaching of EG-TL.. I don't get it.
Just a 1 min research and I am really confused.
Okay so the first player you send out should pereferably be a player that is balanced in all matchups cause you do not know which race he will play against. Taking a quick look at Zenio's TLO record he got, ZvP 68.85%, ZvZ 52.05% and ZvT 44.79% win record.
So first is Zenio far from evenly balanced through the matchups. Second it is Antiga shipyard. Not exactly a zerg map, rather is it considered to be one of the best terran maps. Therefor a terran is the most likely opponent. Which Zenio has a 44.79% win ratio against.
So am I missing something or did EG-TL potentially pick their worst possible starting player.... is their coach an idiot or am I missing something?
Puma and huk are even worse... But yeah, egtl coach blows -_-... Fields shit players randomly for no reason while leaving guys like jaedong or stephano out of the lineup.
JD is only a ZvZ sniper, Stephano loses vs zerg a lot. Playing someone like Stephano right now is fucking stupid. Stop bashing I'm glad you are not the Eg-TL coach.
Hero? Revival? Jyp? Even Jaedong is leagues better than puma, huk, and zenio. Those three should NEVER ever be fielded in proleague.
[SPL] STX SouL vs EG-Liquid R2 Bogus (Innovation) vs JYP Game 2: 1-0 Map: Neo CalDeum
0:00 Bogus spawns in the bottom left JYP spawns in the top right
1:40 gateway first for JYP proxy 11-11 from Bogus near the 3rd base area of JYP
2:00 probe scout of JYP misses the rax gas for JYP JYP scouts no rax in the main of Bogus but the orbital is morphing 5 scvs are pulled Cybernetics core for JYP zealot for JYP
3:00 zealot is being chronoboosted 2nd zealot for JYP probes are pulled to the ramp to block a bunker scvs meet up with the first 2 marines of Bogus bunker started at the top of JYP's main ramp
4:00 stalker on the way for JYP more probes are pulled to hit the bunker the stalker comes out but the bunker finishes all but 1 scv falls 2nd bunker started in range of the gate 2nd gate for JYP 2nd stalker on the way for JYP more probes are pulled and the stalker is kiting
5:00 marines retreat back tot he bunker stalkers kill the last scv before the 2nd bunker finishes more scvs are moving across the map JYP loses 1 stalker to the marines the 2nd bunker finishes for Bogus probes try to dps it down but marines get inside
[SPL] STX SouL vs EG-Liquid R2 Bogus (Innovation) vs JYP Game 2: 1-0 Map: Neo CalDeum
0:00 Bogus spawns in the bottom left JYP spawns in the top right
1:40 gateway first for JYP proxy 11-11 from Bogus near the 3rd base area of JYP
2:00 probe scout of JYP misses the rax gas for JYP JYP scouts no rax in the main of Bogus but the orbital is morphing 5 scvs are pulled Cybernetics core for JYP zealot for JYP
3:00 zealot is being chronoboosted 2nd zealot for JYP probes are pulled to the ramp to block a bunker scvs meet up with the first 2 marines of Bogus bunker started at the top of JYP's main ramp
4:00 stalker on the way for JYP more probes are pulled to hit the bunker the stalker comes out but the bunker finishes all but 1 scv falls 2nd bunker started in range of the gate 2nd gate for JYP 2nd stalker on the way for JYP more probes are pulled and the stalker is kiting
5:00 marines retreat back tot he bunker stalkers kill the last scv before the 2nd bunker finishes more scvs are moving across the map JYP loses 1 stalker to the marines the 2nd bunker finishes for Bogus probes try to dps it down but marines get inside
6:00 2 more stalkers on the way for JYP the first gate of JYP is falling tot he marines in the bunker but the stalker finishes in time marines come out of the bunker to fight the stalkers but JYP micros back so the marines go back to the bunker
7:00 JYP loses a pylon and is supply blocked 5 stalkers out for JYP now JYP still has 12 probes vs 8 scvs and 4 of the scvs are at JYP's base repairing the marines come out of the bunker again and start fighting the stalkers with scvs marines start hitting the probes
8:00 JYP loses 1 of his stalkers 3 marines make it back to the bunker marines try to kill the stalkers but stalkers clean them up 2 more marines make it into a bunker and kill a stalker
9:00 13 probes vs 7 scvs 4 marines in the front bunker at JYP's base another stalker comes out for JYP Bogus sends 2 more scvs to repair mule is dropped to help repair the bunker Bogus saves it before it burns down another bunker startedf or Bogus closer to the other gateway of JYP marines run forward as stalkers come out to pick off the scv
10:00 marines try to kill more probes another gate finishes for JYP stalkers micro against the marines and reduce the count to 3 again another scv starts building the 3rd bunker but stalkers pick it off marines start attacking the mineral line again JYP forces a cancel on the 3rd bunker
[SPL] STX SouL vs EG-Liquid R2 Bogus (Innovation) vs JYP Game 2: 1-0 Map: Neo CalDeum
0:00 Bogus spawns in the bottom left JYP spawns in the top right
1:40 gateway first for JYP proxy 11-11 from Bogus near the 3rd base area of JYP
2:00 probe scout of JYP misses the rax gas for JYP JYP scouts no rax in the main of Bogus but the orbital is morphing 5 scvs are pulled Cybernetics core for JYP zealot for JYP
3:00 zealot is being chronoboosted 2nd zealot for JYP probes are pulled to the ramp to block a bunker scvs meet up with the first 2 marines of Bogus bunker started at the top of JYP's main ramp
4:00 stalker on the way for JYP more probes are pulled to hit the bunker the stalker comes out but the bunker finishes all but 1 scv falls 2nd bunker started in range of the gate 2nd gate for JYP 2nd stalker on the way for JYP more probes are pulled and the stalker is kiting
5:00 marines retreat back tot he bunker stalkers kill the last scv before the 2nd bunker finishes more scvs are moving across the map JYP loses 1 stalker to the marines the 2nd bunker finishes for Bogus probes try to dps it down but marines get inside
6:00 2 more stalkers on the way for JYP the first gate of JYP is falling tot he marines in the bunker but the stalker finishes in time marines come out of the bunker to fight the stalkers but JYP micros back so the marines go back to the bunker
7:00 JYP loses a pylon and is supply blocked 5 stalkers out for JYP now JYP still has 12 probes vs 8 scvs and 4 of the scvs are at JYP's base repairing the marines come out of the bunker again and start fighting the stalkers with scvs marines start hitting the probes
8:00 JYP loses 1 of his stalkers 3 marines make it back to the bunker marines try to kill the stalkers but stalkers clean them up 2 more marines make it into a bunker and kill a stalker
9:00 13 probes vs 7 scvs 4 marines in the front bunker at JYP's base another stalker comes out for JYP Bogus sends 2 more scvs to repair mule is dropped to help repair the bunker Bogus saves it before it burns down another bunker startedf or Bogus closer to the other gateway of JYP marines run forward as stalkers come out to pick off the scv
10:00 marines try to kill more probes another gate finishes for JYP stalkers micro against the marines and reduce the count to 3 again another scv starts building the 3rd bunker but stalkers pick it off marines start attacking the mineral line again JYP forces a cancel on the 3rd bunker
11:00 another stalker falls to the marines but warpgate is done for JYP now 16 probes vs 8 scvs marines pick off 2 more probes 2 zealots and 4 stalkers out for JYP vs 8 marines
12:00 JYP chronoboosting out probes a 5th stalker is warped in Bogus is pulling all of his remaining scvs JYP starts attacking the forward bunker the bunker falls -- only 1 left
13:00 6 stalkers out now for JYP trying to damage the bunker but the scvs arrive JYP backs up to his mineral line and starts kiting JYP loses 3 of his stalkers he's not stutter firing 2 more stalkers are warped in the scvs are cleaned up marines start killing probes 4 stalkers vs 8 marines stalkers kiting marines around the back of JYP's base
14:00 JYP loses another stalker but JYP cleans up the marines in his main Bogus is down to 8 supply vs 15 of JYP JYP kills the last bunker the final 2 marines from the bunker are cleaned up 10 probes vs 4 scvs Bogus pulls his last 4 scvs stalkers trap 2 marines in JYP's natural and kill them
15:00 JYP DOUBLING BOGUS'S SUPPLY (20-10) stalkers find the rax but the marines kill 1 of htem scv flank vs the 2 stalkers of JYP 1 stalker gets slowed down by the scvs and killed the other stalker being chased 2 more stalkers warp in for JYP
16:00 stalkers are kiting hte last 3 scvs and marines Bunker started int he main of JYP pylon in Bogus's base started 3 stalker and 1 zealot clean up Bogus's army Bogus ggs! JYP ties the score at 1!
On January 26 2013 16:18 blacksheepwall wrote: JYP, what the fuck was that? Sure he got the win, but he can't feel too good about that one. Abysmal Stalker micro that game.
Where did all this vile and shit towards JYP come from? Every time he gets sent in Proleague there's spam about how the coach must be a fool and now when he wins its just more salt :/
Oh man 5 stalkers lost to those marines was unacceptable. Holy shit that was like gold level micro there. He could have lost if the last 2 stalkers were dead right there.
That was the worst game ever to read from LR only >.< four heart attacks in a row or something. JYP should be in good position now though with innovation down.
People hating on JYP way too much. It wasn't embarrassing. It wasn't perfect. Innovation micro'd it perfectly. People take every imperfection of JYP and make it sound like he's a joke. If MC made that hold, people would be screaming boss toss right now.
On January 26 2013 16:18 blacksheepwall wrote: JYP, what the fuck was that? Sure he got the win, but he can't feel too good about that one. Abysmal Stalker micro that game.
Where did all this vile and shit towards JYP come from? Every time he gets sent in Proleague there's spam about how the coach must be a fool and now when he wins its just more salt :/
JYP does a lot of questionable shit. I mean, it's not nearly as bad as Puma, but just like right there when he should have been able to easily hold that, he nearly managed to lose with a huge lead.
On January 26 2013 16:18 blacksheepwall wrote: JYP, what the fuck was that? Sure he got the win, but he can't feel too good about that one. Abysmal Stalker micro that game.
Where did all this vile and shit towards JYP come from? Every time he gets sent in Proleague there's spam about how the coach must be a fool and now when he wins its just more salt :/
He was headbutting his stalkers to the marines without attacking ffs.
I cannot believe people are bashing JYP for beating that cheese. So, his micro wasn't perfect ... who cares, he got the win. If I was in that situation my micro wouldn't be at my best because my heart would have been going a mile a minute. Hell, my heart was going a mile a minute watching that match, more less playing!
Also... Why so much JYP hate? I might be wrong now after all kill, but JYP's proleague record was way better than HerO's in round one. He is definitely positive if I'm not mistaken (someone check for me please?) so why so much hate?
On January 26 2013 16:20 Foxwolf wrote: Dude, as much as I love e-sports I can't stand the amount of commercials. Seriously.
I can't stand people getting paid. It's the worst.
If you actually watch television it's kind of hard to complain about this. I mean... it's not like you get more than 3-4 minutes of pure commercial every 15 minutes.
On January 26 2013 16:22 Deadiam wrote: I cannot believe people are bashing JYP for beating that cheese. So, his micro wasn't perfect ... who cares, he got the win. If I was in that situation my micro wouldn't be at my best because my heart would have been going a mile a minute. Hell, my heart was going a mile a minute watching that match, more less playing!
3 to 4 stalkers vs just six marines should be a one sided fight at this level of play. You shouldn't nearly lose the game
does anyone remember how TheBest all in went in the super tournament? I know it ended up with like the 3rd or 4th pull all your scvs with thors and a banshee at the end but did it start with a 2 rax vs min? That's probably the longest going all in I can remember in sc2.
On January 26 2013 16:24 Shellshock1122 wrote: does anyone remember how TheBest all in went in the super tournament? I know it ended up with like the 3rd or 4th pull all your scvs with thors and a banshee at the end but did it start with a 2 rax vs min? That's probably the longest going all in I can remember in sc2.
The longest I remember is Seed's Soul Train against Sniper on Abyssal. 15 minute Soul Train.
On January 26 2013 16:24 Shellshock1122 wrote: does anyone remember how TheBest all in went in the super tournament? I know it ended up with like the 3rd or 4th pull all your scvs with thors and a banshee at the end but did it start with a 2 rax vs min? That's probably the longest going all in I can remember in sc2.
The longest I remember is Seed's Soul Train against Sniper on Abyssal. 15 minute Soul Train.
On January 26 2013 16:24 Shellshock1122 wrote: does anyone remember how TheBest all in went in the super tournament? I know it ended up with like the 3rd or 4th pull all your scvs with thors and a banshee at the end but did it start with a 2 rax vs min? That's probably the longest going all in I can remember in sc2.
The longest I remember is Seed's Soul Train against Sniper on Abyssal. 15 minute Soul Train.
On January 26 2013 16:24 Shellshock1122 wrote: does anyone remember how TheBest all in went in the super tournament? I know it ended up with like the 3rd or 4th pull all your scvs with thors and a banshee at the end but did it start with a 2 rax vs min? That's probably the longest going all in I can remember in sc2.
The longest I remember is Seed's Soul Train against Sniper on Abyssal. 15 minute Soul Train.
On January 26 2013 16:20 Foxwolf wrote: Dude, as much as I love e-sports I can't stand the amount of commercials. Seriously.
I can't stand people getting paid. It's the worst.
Yes. That's exactly what I said. Let's kill esports!
I will try to explain. There are limits. I didn't even see JYP getting out of the booth. I want to see him with his teammates right after the match. I don't care about the youtube videos that I can watch at any given time. But GG LET'S SPAM COMMERCIAL FOR 5 MINUTES is kind annoying.
On January 26 2013 16:24 Shellshock1122 wrote: does anyone remember how TheBest all in went in the super tournament? I know it ended up with like the 3rd or 4th pull all your scvs with thors and a banshee at the end but did it start with a 2 rax vs min? That's probably the longest going all in I can remember in sc2.
The longest I remember is Seed's Soul Train against Sniper on Abyssal. 15 minute Soul Train.
On January 26 2013 16:24 Shellshock1122 wrote: does anyone remember how TheBest all in went in the super tournament? I know it ended up with like the 3rd or 4th pull all your scvs with thors and a banshee at the end but did it start with a 2 rax vs min? That's probably the longest going all in I can remember in sc2.
The longest I remember is Seed's Soul Train against Sniper on Abyssal. 15 minute Soul Train.
On January 26 2013 16:20 Foxwolf wrote: Dude, as much as I love e-sports I can't stand the amount of commercials. Seriously.
I can't stand people getting paid. It's the worst.
Yes. That's exactly what I said. Let's kill esports!
I will try to explain. There are limits. I didn't even see JYP getting out of the booth. I want to see him with his teammates right after the match. I don't care about the youtube videos that I can watch at any given time. But GG LET'S SPAM COMMERCIAL FOR 5 MINUTES is kind annoying.
I agree, they should wait at least 30 secs after the game is done.
On January 26 2013 16:24 Shellshock1122 wrote: does anyone remember how TheBest all in went in the super tournament? I know it ended up with like the 3rd or 4th pull all your scvs with thors and a banshee at the end but did it start with a 2 rax vs min? That's probably the longest going all in I can remember in sc2.
The longest I remember is Seed's Soul Train against Sniper on Abyssal. 15 minute Soul Train.
If you want to see a shitload of bans from 1 LR thread go to the 2011 Blizzard cup thread where in the same day 1) Naniwa killed Polt's expansion and was ahead so Polt decided to just 1-1-1 off a dead CC into victory 2) Naniwa probe rushed Nestea
On January 26 2013 16:24 Shellshock1122 wrote: does anyone remember how TheBest all in went in the super tournament? I know it ended up with like the 3rd or 4th pull all your scvs with thors and a banshee at the end but did it start with a 2 rax vs min? That's probably the longest going all in I can remember in sc2.
The longest I remember is Seed's Soul Train against Sniper on Abyssal. 15 minute Soul Train.
If you want to see a shitload of bans from 1 LR thread go to the 2011 Blizzard cup thread where in the same day 1) Naniwa killed Polt's expansion and was ahead so Polt decided to just 1-1-1 off a dead CC into victory 2) Naniwa probe rushed Nestea
Somebody needs to make a thread compiling the longest all ins in competitive SC2.
On January 26 2013 16:24 Shellshock1122 wrote: does anyone remember how TheBest all in went in the super tournament? I know it ended up with like the 3rd or 4th pull all your scvs with thors and a banshee at the end but did it start with a 2 rax vs min? That's probably the longest going all in I can remember in sc2.
I watched the vod of that the other day for some reason and I have to emphasize how AWFUL Wolf was at casting. Considering how awesome he is now that gives me hope for Whiplash and SNM.
Early day TB comes to mind, too.
All casters have to start somewhere and even the worst casters can turn into great casters with enough dedication. Sure, Proleague is not really a place that should be a proving ground but whatever, they will improve either way
[SPL] STX SouL vs EG-Liquid R2 Game 3: 1-1 Dear vs JYP Map: Ohana
0:00 Dear spawns in the bottom right JYP spawns in the top left
1:40 gateway first for Dear gateway first for JYP
2:00 gas for Dear gas for JYP Cybernetics core for Dear Cybernetics core for JYP 2nd gas for Dear
3:00 2nd gate for JYP 2nd gate for Dear 2nd gas for JYP stalker for Dear stalker for JYP
4:00 Stargate for Dear Stargate for JYP zealot for both players sentry for Dear sentry for JYP 3rd gate for Dear
5:00 forward pylon for JYP to the north of Dear's base phoenix production started for Dear phoenix production started for JYP but Dear is almost a full cycle ahead
On January 26 2013 16:24 Shellshock1122 wrote: does anyone remember how TheBest all in went in the super tournament? I know it ended up with like the 3rd or 4th pull all your scvs with thors and a banshee at the end but did it start with a 2 rax vs min? That's probably the longest going all in I can remember in sc2.
I watched the vod of that the other day for some reason and I have to emphasize how AWFUL Wolf was at casting. Considering how awesome he is now that gives me hope for Whiplash and SNM.
Early day TB comes to mind, too.
All casters have to start somewhere and even the worst casters can turn into great casters with enough dedication. Sure, Proleague is not really a place that should be a proving ground but whatever, they will improve either way
It's not really that bad anyways
Agreed, they've already improved imo. Still a long way to go though..
[SPL] STX SouL vs EG-Liquid R2 Game 3: 1-1 Dear vs JYP Map: Ohana
0:00 Dear spawns in the bottom right JYP spawns in the top left
1:40 gateway first for Dear gateway first for JYP
2:00 gas for Dear gas for JYP Cybernetics core for Dear Cybernetics core for JYP 2nd gas for Dear
3:00 2nd gate for JYP 2nd gate for Dear 2nd gas for JYP stalker for Dear stalker for JYP
4:00 Stargate for Dear Stargate for JYP zealot for both players sentry for Dear sentry for JYP 3rd gate for Dear
5:00 forward pylon for JYP to the north of Dear's base phoenix production started for Dear phoenix production started for JYP but Dear is almost a full cycle ahead
6:00 first phoenix heading out for JYP Nexus for JYP Dear moves out with 3 phoenixes
7:00 forward pylon for Dear Dear starts moving up the ramp stalkers are lifted by Dear's phoenixes JYP's phoenixes force them to drop the stalkers JYP cancels the nexus 1 phoenix of Dear falls Dear trying to force his way up the ramp but JYP is forcefielding Dear starts warping into JYP's main
8:00 another gate finishes for JYP but it's too late JYP pulls all of his probes Dear is 10 supply ahead 4th gate finishes for JYP phoenixes are battling over the ground armies Dear wins the air battle phoenixes start lifting JYP's units JYP ggs! Dear wins and gives STX SouL a 2-1 lead!
Can't really fault JYP for that loss. BO for the Dear just beats what JYP does. Maybe if he hadn't mistimed the forcefields, but IDK if it would've mattered.
On January 26 2013 16:38 Amui wrote: Can't really fault JYP for that loss. BO for the Dear just beats what JYP does. Maybe if he hadn't mistimed the forcefields, but IDK if it would've mattered.
A 400 mineral difference from a nexus can be compensated for with forcefields, giving you time to cancel and move back. Phoenix eliminates the possibility. 400 minerals is like 2 zealots and 2 stalkers. Just can't do that, especially on a 2 forcefield ramp.
Poor JYP. Dude just looks devastated every time he looses. He wants to carry so bad, always seems like he looses in such harsh ways. 'm guessing his opponents see this as well and thats why he keeps getting hit with all in's and ling run-bys.
On January 26 2013 16:37 Dodgin wrote: If you subscribe there are no commercials by the way
It also shows you support the casting. Until they improve greatly, I'm not for that.
I'll just close out of the stream then reload it once the match starts and commercial spam is over, thanks.
OR you could think of it as forty two ish cents a month for an HD stream.
if you want to complain about commercials, ad free is REALLY REALLY cheap. If you won't pay 5$ for it, don't complain. Mute stream or close it like this guy says, easy fix. Although like some people said, even wolf and khaldor (and even tastosis) weren't that great when they started.
On January 26 2013 16:37 Dodgin wrote: If you subscribe there are no commercials by the way
It also shows you support the casting. Until they improve greatly, I'm not for that.
I'll just close out of the stream then reload it once the match starts and commercial spam is over, thanks.
OR you could think of it as forty two ish cents a month for an HD stream.
if you want to complain about commercials, ad free is REALLY REALLY cheap. If you won't pay 5$ for it, don't complain. Mute stream or close it like this guy says, easy fix. Although like some people said, even wolf and khaldor (and even tastosis) weren't that great when they started.
Sure Wolf/Khaldor weren't that great when they started, but GOM also made it easier to like them by not tilting everyone with ridiculous commercial spam and actually showing them on stream. :-P
[SPL] STX SouL vs EG-Liquid R2 Game 4: 2-1 Dear vs HerO Map: Entombed Valley
0:00 Dear spawns in the top left HerO spawns in the bottom right
1:40 gateway first for Dear gateway first for HerO
2:00 gas for Dear gas for HerO Cybernetics core for Dear Cybernetics core for HerO
3:00 2nd gas for Dear 2nd gas for HerO zealot for HerO 2nd gate for Dear stalker for Dear stalker for HerO
4:00 proxy pylon in the top right main for HerO Twilight council for HerO at his proxy pylon stalker for HerO Twilight council for Dear
5:00 proxy pylon for Dear in the top right 3rd just out of vision of HerO's proxy buildings Dark shrine for HerO proxy dark shrine for Dear 3 more gates for HerO another agte for HerO probes pass each other on the way out but neither scout
[SPL] STX SouL vs EG-Liquid R2 Game 4: 2-1 Dear vs HerO Map: Entombed Valley
0:00 Dear spawns in the top left HerO spawns in the bottom right
1:40 gateway first for Dear gateway first for HerO
2:00 gas for Dear gas for HerO Cybernetics core for Dear Cybernetics core for HerO
3:00 2nd gas for Dear 2nd gas for HerO zealot for HerO 2nd gate for Dear stalker for Dear stalker for HerO
4:00 proxy pylon in the top right main for HerO Twilight council for HerO at his proxy pylon stalker for HerO Twilight council for Dear
5:00 proxy pylon for Dear in the top right 3rd just out of vision of HerO's proxy buildings Dark shrine for HerO proxy dark shrine for Dear 3 more gates for HerO another agte for HerO probes pass each other on the way out but neither scout
6:00 forward pylon going up for HerO Dear pressuring with his first 4 stalkers HerO forcefields his main ramp 2 DTs warping in for HerO on the way to Dear's base Nexus for Dear
7:00 2 DTs warping in for Dear HerO's DTs are in Dear's main Dear's DTs are in HerO's main Dear pulls all his probes away HerO pulls away all of his probes
8:00 forge for Dear in HerO's natural DTs of Dear killing HerO's nexus cannon started for Dear next to his forge 2nd cannon for Dear forge started for HerO at his forward pylon
9:00 HerO's nexus falls HerO is being revealed HerO kills Dear's nexus forcefield on the ramp near HerO's proxy shrine and council misses but HerO's cannon finishes to make the DT back off
10:00 stalkers are killing the buildings in HerO's main everyone killing the buildings not near the cannons stalkers on the low ground hitting the revealed pylon near the cannons of Dear
11:00 Dear's stalkers and probes chase away Hero's stalkers DTs of HerO get too close to the cannons and are revealed briefly but they escape
[SPL] STX SouL vs EG-Liquid R2 Game 4: 2-1 Dear vs HerO Map: Entombed Valley
0:00 Dear spawns in the top left HerO spawns in the bottom right
1:40 gateway first for Dear gateway first for HerO
2:00 gas for Dear gas for HerO Cybernetics core for Dear Cybernetics core for HerO
3:00 2nd gas for Dear 2nd gas for HerO zealot for HerO 2nd gate for Dear stalker for Dear stalker for HerO
4:00 proxy pylon in the top right main for HerO Twilight council for HerO at his proxy pylon stalker for HerO Twilight council for Dear
5:00 proxy pylon for Dear in the top right 3rd just out of vision of HerO's proxy buildings Dark shrine for HerO proxy dark shrine for Dear 3 more gates for HerO another agte for HerO probes pass each other on the way out but neither scout
6:00 forward pylon going up for HerO Dear pressuring with his first 4 stalkers HerO forcefields his main ramp 2 DTs warping in for HerO on the way to Dear's base Nexus for Dear
7:00 2 DTs warping in for Dear HerO's DTs are in Dear's main Dear's DTs are in HerO's main Dear pulls all his probes away HerO pulls away all of his probes
8:00 forge for Dear in HerO's natural DTs of Dear killing HerO's nexus cannon started for Dear next to his forge 2nd cannon for Dear forge started for HerO at his forward pylon
9:00 HerO's nexus falls HerO is being revealed HerO kills Dear's nexus forcefield on the ramp near HerO's proxy shrine and council misses but HerO's cannon finishes to make the DT back off
10:00 stalkers are killing the buildings in HerO's main everyone killing the buildings not near the cannons stalkers on the low ground hitting the revealed pylon near the cannons of Dear
11:00 Dear's stalkers and probes chase away Hero's stalkers DTs of HerO get too close to the cannons and are revealed briefly but they escape
12:00 Dear is just grouping up to protect his pylon HerO trying to find a way to attack it HerO goes in for the attack but 1 DT is killed by the cannons Dear loses 1 of his stalkers
13:00 DTs of Dear get a swipe on Hero's stalkers HerO retreats back to his cannons with only 2 stalkers and 2 DTs left DTs of Dear cant do anything because of HerO's cannon
On January 26 2013 17:01 Daray wrote: Do you think hero could've killed the pylon if he just sacced his stalkers before?
No idea, but he should have tried anyway. That was his only chance to win the game, and three DTs sitting around his cannon would have been enough to defend it from anything.
Hero could have won if he hold position his DTs not within range of the cannons just enough so that the stalkers can slowly kite and if they come too close, the DTs would swipe them
hero could have won if he somehow killed the stalkers. He would just be able to out micro the DTs and probes and eventually killed the pylon. It wouldn't be *too* hard since it was 2v2 stalkers. If you notice he was targeting a stalker during his first attack on the pylon, not bum rushing the pylon. I'm sure he was thinking the same
On January 26 2013 17:01 Daray wrote: Do you think hero could've killed the pylon if he just sacced his stalkers before?
I'm pretty sure he can do it, but there's possibility that there's DT nearby which HerO can't see. With DTs, those stalkers prolly won't make it though.
On January 26 2013 17:04 Qweasdzxc wrote: Hero could have won if he hold position his DTs not within range of the cannons just enough so that the stalkers can slowly kite and if they come too close, the DTs would swipe them
Can't really do that with enemy DTs right there and no way to detect them.
On January 26 2013 17:04 Qweasdzxc wrote: Hero could have won if he hold position his DTs not within range of the cannons just enough so that the stalkers can slowly kite and if they come too close, the DTs would swipe them
On January 26 2013 17:09 Rampager wrote: I've been out of the loop for abit, is there another way to watch other than twitch? twitch is really laggy for me right now T_T
So polite. Quoting "lag" as the reason you don't want to watch twitch.
Hero could have won...if he had brought his sentry and force fielded off the choke. Just shoot for 3 seconds and then ff before any units can get there. Although he would have risked his sentry if he had been caught in the open I think he could have still held against the dts back home.
[SPL] STX SouL vs EG-Liquid R2 Game 4 round 2: 2-1 Dear vs HerO Map: Entombed Valley
0:00 Dear spawns in the top left HerO spawns in the bottom left
1:40 gate first for both players
2:00 gas for both players cyber core for both players 2nd gas for Dear
3:00 zealot for HerO zealot for Dear stalker for both players 2nd gas for HerO
4:00 2nd gate for Dear 2 more gates for HerO 3rd gate for Dear 2nd stalker for HerO sentry for Dear
5:00 robo for Dear proxy pylon at the top right 3rd for HerO robo for HerO 3 stalkers of HerO start hitting the 1 stalker of Dear in the middle of the map
[SPL] STX SouL vs EG-Liquid R2 Game 4 round 2: 2-1 Dear vs HerO Map: Entombed Valley
0:00 Dear spawns in the top left HerO spawns in the bottom left
1:40 gate first for both players
2:00 gas for both players cyber core for both players 2nd gas for Dear
3:00 zealot for HerO zealot for Dear stalker for both players 2nd gas for HerO
4:00 2nd gate for Dear 2 more gates for HerO 3rd gate for Dear 2nd stalker for HerO sentry for Dear
5:00 robo for Dear proxy pylon at the top right 3rd for HerO robo for HerO 3 stalkers of HerO start hitting the 1 stalker of Dear in the middle of the map
6:00 HerO starts attacking but Dear gets a forcefield on his main ramp building forward pylon of HerO is killed immortal started for Dear stalker of Dear gets into Hero's main and gets a full scout observer for HerO HerO kills the scouting stalker
7:00 Robotics bay for Dear Dear comes down his ramp HerO misses the forcefield Dear kills a couple of HerO's units Dear takes a 8 supply lead HerO being chased away from Dear's base
8:00 2nd immortal on the way for Dear 1st immortal on the way for Hero HerO loses another sentry and a few zealots another gate for Dear Colossus production started for Dear Robotics bay started for HerO
9:00 Dear finds Hero's proxy pylon and kills it Dear moves out to the watchtower as his first colossus comes out HerO retreats into his main
10:00 2 immortals out for both players, equal stalker count, but better army for Dear Dear moves up the main ramp of HerO 3rd immortal comes out for HerO Hero loses both of his immortals Dear's immortals are still alive forward pylon for Dear for warp ins in Hero's main
11:00 probes are pulled to defend HerO ggs! Dear wins game 4 and gives STX SouL a 3-1 advantage!
Stephano would be bad to send out. He probably isn't used to the maps and more importantly, he wouldn't want to reveal any tricks he's saving for GSL later this week.
Stephano not playing today isn't surprising at all. He is not in the lineup for monday match in round 3. He probably focus on his next GSL match next week. EGTL did the same with JD when he had to play Up & Down
On January 26 2013 17:20 anrimayu wrote: I guess EGTL doesn't want to win today, sending these guys out instead of JD n Steph.
Revival is more consistent than both of them. No idea what you're talking about.
Revival is solid. I meant using JYP and Zenio instead.
They need play too, and I'm guessing EGTL thought STX to be a less than top opponent. They paid.
But really, teams with long bench do not use always the same top 4 players, they prefer to mix it up and let their strong guys rest some. Even team like KT would not actually use Flash in absolutely every match.
On January 26 2013 17:27 PviLLe3 wrote: missed last couple games, what does OP mean by draw, what happened?
Liquipedia explains it pretty well. Good summary from the person who put it
The 4th match between Dear and HerO was played twice, after the first game ended in a draw. Both players went for Dark Templar builds and destroyed each other's Nexus, however defensive Cannons were erected and the referees called a draw before the in-game Stalemate Detection could come into effect.
On January 26 2013 17:27 PviLLe3 wrote: missed last couple games, what does OP mean by draw, what happened?
Both players went proxy DT rush and killed the enemy's nexus. Both then built a forge and some cannons, as neither had enough to build a new nexus, and just kinda sat until the KeSPA ref paused and called for a regame. Hero was poking at Dear's pylon with stalkers, but didn't manage to kill it.
EGTL coach has officially lost the plot sending out Revival as ace over Stephano. To recap:
Stephano: a million tournament wins, the most successful foreigner of all time, code S Revival: no significant tournament successes, code B Stephano: ZvP best matchup Revival: 1-2 in ZvP Stephano: 1-0 in ace matches, confident and composed in high stakes finals Revival: 0-1 in ace matches and admitted he gets nerves as EGTL's ace player.
On January 26 2013 17:29 PviLLe3 wrote: damn hilarious, no vods for spl either to watch this after right
Korean VODs are free on youtube I think. I've been posting the English vods in the OP as they are put up but they require a subscription as far as I know. first 3 games are posted
On January 26 2013 17:29 Evil_Sheep wrote: EGTL coach has officially lost the plot sending out Revival as ace over Stephano. To recap:
Stephano: a million tournament wins, the most successful foreigner of all time, code S Revival: no significant tournament successes, code B Stephano: ZvP best matchup Revival: 1-2 in ZvP Stephano: 1-0 in ace matches, confident and composed in high stakes finals Revival: 0-1 in ace matches and admitted he gets nerves as EGTL's ace player.
W. T. F???
Because his code s means so much about his skill level, considering hes never played a code s / a gsl game yet, and was gifted the seed...
On January 26 2013 17:20 anrimayu wrote: I guess EGTL doesn't want to win today, sending these guys out instead of JD n Steph.
Revival is more consistent than both of them. No idea what you're talking about.
Revival is solid. I meant using JYP and Zenio instead.
It would have been a lot better to use Jaedong instead of Zenio. I also dislike how they're not using Thorzain -at all-.
Come on, look how sad Zenio is in this gif from last week because he isn't getting sent out. Have a heart. + Show Spoiler +
Oh man, that gif is actually heart breaking. Zenio doesn't seem happy at all lately. I think losing so much is really getting to him. His record in SPL is pretty atrocious...
I'm not really surprised stephano isn't playing, if they wanted him to play it would have made much more sense playing him instead of hero (which they should have done ffs).
On January 26 2013 17:29 Evil_Sheep wrote: EGTL coach has officially lost the plot sending out Revival as ace over Stephano. To recap:
Stephano: a million tournament wins, the most successful foreigner of all time, code S Revival: no significant tournament successes, code B Stephano: ZvP best matchup Revival: 1-2 in ZvP Stephano: 1-0 in ace matches, confident and composed in high stakes finals Revival: 0-1 in ace matches and admitted he gets nerves as EGTL's ace player.
W. T. F???
Well, to be fair:
Stephano: Has not actually played a Code S match yet (first is on Feb. 1st) Stephano: Extremely weak in ZvZ, so vulnerable to a sniper Stephano: Only practiced PL maps for a short time compared to the rest of EG-TL
Stephano might have been the better choice to kick out Dear but Revival has the better chance to actually win 3 games.
On January 26 2013 17:29 Evil_Sheep wrote: EGTL coach has officially lost the plot sending out Revival as ace over Stephano. To recap:
Stephano: a million tournament wins, the most successful foreigner of all time, code S Revival: no significant tournament successes, code B Stephano: ZvP best matchup Revival: 1-2 in ZvP Stephano: 1-0 in ace matches, confident and composed in high stakes finals Revival: 0-1 in ace matches and admitted he gets nerves as EGTL's ace player.
W. T. F???
Stephano: a GSL group in few days Revival: nothing to hide
On January 26 2013 17:29 Evil_Sheep wrote: EGTL coach has officially lost the plot sending out Revival as ace over Stephano. To recap:
Stephano: a million tournament wins, the most successful foreigner of all time, code S Revival: no significant tournament successes, code B Stephano: ZvP best matchup Revival: 1-2 in ZvP Stephano: 1-0 in ace matches, confident and composed in high stakes finals Revival: 0-1 in ace matches and admitted he gets nerves as EGTL's ace player.
W. T. F???
Because his code s means so much about his skill level, considering hes never played a code s / a gsl game yet, and was gifted the seed...
On January 26 2013 17:29 Evil_Sheep wrote: EGTL coach has officially lost the plot sending out Revival as ace over Stephano. To recap:
Stephano: a million tournament wins, the most successful foreigner of all time, code S Revival: no significant tournament successes, code B Stephano: ZvP best matchup Revival: 1-2 in ZvP Stephano: 1-0 in ace matches, confident and composed in high stakes finals Revival: 0-1 in ace matches and admitted he gets nerves as EGTL's ace player.
W. T. F???
Stephano: a GSL group in few days Revival: nothing to hide
Stephano doesnt seem to be the guy that has much to hide, he does the same stuff over and over again.
On January 26 2013 17:29 Evil_Sheep wrote: EGTL coach has officially lost the plot sending out Revival as ace over Stephano. To recap:
Stephano: a million tournament wins, the most successful foreigner of all time, code S Revival: no significant tournament successes, code B Stephano: ZvP best matchup Revival: 1-2 in ZvP Stephano: 1-0 in ace matches, confident and composed in high stakes finals Revival: 0-1 in ace matches and admitted he gets nerves as EGTL's ace player.
W. T. F???
Because his code s means so much about his skill level, considering hes never played a code s / a gsl game yet, and was gifted the seed...
are you for real?
well, you know how well all the foreigner seeds did in code s last year~ steph will probably do better, but being in gsl code s is not an achievement itself really when it's a seed.
On January 26 2013 17:35 Undead1993 wrote: and actually even though revival is 1:2 in zvp he still beat Rain So he is quite good stop complaining finally.
wasn't the only reason for that because Rain messed up or something? I didn't watch the game but I just read it here somewhere lol. Either way, go Revival go!
On January 26 2013 17:29 Evil_Sheep wrote: EGTL coach has officially lost the plot sending out Revival as ace over Stephano. To recap:
Stephano: a million tournament wins, the most successful foreigner of all time, code S Revival: no significant tournament successes, code B Stephano: ZvP best matchup Revival: 1-2 in ZvP Stephano: 1-0 in ace matches, confident and composed in high stakes finals Revival: 0-1 in ace matches and admitted he gets nerves as EGTL's ace player.
W. T. F???
Stephano: a GSL group in few days Revival: nothing to hide
Stephano doesnt seem to be the guy that has much to hide, he does the same stuff over and over again.
Well, he said so on his stream yesterday. He was only playing defense and weird strat with only zerglings, etc. Looks to me he's pretty serious about it
On January 26 2013 17:35 Undead1993 wrote: and actually even though revival is 1:2 in zvp he still beat Rain So he is quite good stop complaining finally.
wasn't the only reason for that because Rain messed up or something? I didn't watch the game but I just read it here somewhere lol. Either way, go Revival go!
i watched the game and i dont think so even in the past game interview stephano said that he was very impressed by the victory of revival against rain.
On January 26 2013 17:29 Evil_Sheep wrote: EGTL coach has officially lost the plot sending out Revival as ace over Stephano. To recap:
Stephano: a million tournament wins, the most successful foreigner of all time, code S Revival: no significant tournament successes, code B Stephano: ZvP best matchup Revival: 1-2 in ZvP Stephano: 1-0 in ace matches, confident and composed in high stakes finals Revival: 0-1 in ace matches and admitted he gets nerves as EGTL's ace player.
W. T. F???
Because his code s means so much about his skill level, considering hes never played a code s / a gsl game yet, and was gifted the seed...
are you for real?
well, you know how well all the foreigner seeds did in code s last year~ steph will probably do better, but being in gsl code s is not an achievement itself really when it's a seed.
Its not about the code S seed its about his track record of beating lot of code s players
[SPL] STX SouL vs EG-Liquid R2 Game 5: 3-1 Dear vs Revival Map: Neo Planet S
0:00 Dear spawns in the bottom left Revival spawns in the top right
2:00 pool first for Revival Nexus first for Dear hatch for Revival at the normal 3rd base location forge for Dear
3:00 gateway for Dear cannon for Dear
4:00 double gas for Dear natural hatch for Revival Cybernetics core for Dear
5:00 Stalker for Dear 3rd gas for Dear double gas for Revival Stargate for Dear
6:00 4th gas for Dear Lair for Revival Phoenix production started for Dear
7:00 Roach warren for Revival 3rd gas for Revival 3 more gates for Dear ling speed for Revival +1 attack started for Dear 4th gas for Revival Robo for Dear evo chamber for Revival
8:00 Roach speed startedf or Revival +1 melee started for Revival a few roaches coming out for Revival Dear moves out with 4 phoenixes to start killing overlords 2 spores at each base started for Revival
9:00 infestation pit for Revival phoenixes kill the queen at Revival's 3rd before the spores finish Twilight council for Dear Hydralisk den started for Revival Void ray started for Dear small roach ling pressure at the front of Dear's natural but he forcefields it away pathogen glands started Revival macro hatch for Revival
10:00 immortal production started for Dear phoenixes start lifting and killing roaches +2 attack started for Dear blink research started for Dear 3 more gates for Dear
[SPL] STX SouL vs EG-Liquid R2 Game 5: 3-1 Dear vs Revival Map: Neo Planet S
0:00 Dear spawns in the bottom left Revival spawns in the top right
2:00 pool first for Revival Nexus first for Dear hatch for Revival at the normal 3rd base location forge for Dear
3:00 gateway for Dear cannon for Dear
4:00 double gas for Dear natural hatch for Revival Cybernetics core for Dear
5:00 Stalker for Dear 3rd gas for Dear double gas for Revival Stargate for Dear
6:00 4th gas for Dear Lair for Revival Phoenix production started for Dear
7:00 Roach warren for Revival 3rd gas for Revival 3 more gates for Dear ling speed for Revival +1 attack started for Dear 4th gas for Revival Robo for Dear evo chamber for Revival
8:00 Roach speed startedf or Revival +1 melee started for Revival a few roaches coming out for Revival Dear moves out with 4 phoenixes to start killing overlords 2 spores at each base started for Revival
9:00 infestation pit for Revival phoenixes kill the queen at Revival's 3rd before the spores finish Twilight council for Dear Hydralisk den started for Revival Void ray started for Dear small roach ling pressure at the front of Dear's natural but he forcefields it away pathogen glands started Revival macro hatch for Revival
10:00 immortal production started for Dear phoenixes start lifting and killing roaches +2 attack started for Dear blink research started for Dear 3 more gates for Dear
11:00 hydras coming out for Revival +1 carapace started for Revival Dear's air units harassing at the 3rd again infestors coming out for Revival
12:00 hydras kill the void ray Robotics bay for Dear 3rd base for Dear ling runby at the 3rd of Dear kills the building nexus and probe spire for Revival 4th base for Revival 2nd evo chamber for Revival +3 attack started for Revival
13:00 phoenixes start harassing drones at the natural of Revival phoenixes scout the building 4th Colossus production started for Dear ling runby at the restarted 3rd of Dear phoenixes get fungaled and all but 2 are killed +2 melee attack started for Revival extended thermal lance research started for Dear
14:00 +2 carapace started for Revival 1st colossus is out +1 flier attack started for Revival 3rd base finally finishes for Dear another phoenix is picked off by hydras Dear sets up his army in a concave outside his 3rd so Revival backs off
15:00 Revival goes in for an attack against Dear's army huge ling runby into the main of Dear Revival runs away with his main army lings were on the same hotkey as the main army and started running home lings turn around and start attacking the natural nexus Dear counterattacking with his main army
Stephano would have won that with the monitor turned off and his hands tied to his back but no the coach decides to throw the worst players on the field.
[SPL] STX SouL vs EG-Liquid R2 Game 5: 3-1 Dear vs Revival Map: Neo Planet S
0:00 Dear spawns in the bottom left Revival spawns in the top right
2:00 pool first for Revival Nexus first for Dear hatch for Revival at the normal 3rd base location forge for Dear
3:00 gateway for Dear cannon for Dear
4:00 double gas for Dear natural hatch for Revival Cybernetics core for Dear
5:00 Stalker for Dear 3rd gas for Dear double gas for Revival Stargate for Dear
6:00 4th gas for Dear Lair for Revival Phoenix production started for Dear
7:00 Roach warren for Revival 3rd gas for Revival 3 more gates for Dear ling speed for Revival +1 attack started for Dear 4th gas for Revival Robo for Dear evo chamber for Revival
8:00 Roach speed startedf or Revival +1 melee started for Revival a few roaches coming out for Revival Dear moves out with 4 phoenixes to start killing overlords 2 spores at each base started for Revival
9:00 infestation pit for Revival phoenixes kill the queen at Revival's 3rd before the spores finish Twilight council for Dear Hydralisk den started for Revival Void ray started for Dear small roach ling pressure at the front of Dear's natural but he forcefields it away pathogen glands started Revival macro hatch for Revival
10:00 immortal production started for Dear phoenixes start lifting and killing roaches +2 attack started for Dear blink research started for Dear 3 more gates for Dear
11:00 hydras coming out for Revival +1 carapace started for Revival Dear's air units harassing at the 3rd again infestors coming out for Revival
12:00 hydras kill the void ray Robotics bay for Dear 3rd base for Dear ling runby at the 3rd of Dear kills the building nexus and probe spire for Revival 4th base for Revival 2nd evo chamber for Revival +3 attack started for Revival
13:00 phoenixes start harassing drones at the natural of Revival phoenixes scout the building 4th Colossus production started for Dear ling runby at the restarted 3rd of Dear phoenixes get fungaled and all but 2 are killed +2 melee attack started for Revival extended thermal lance research started for Dear
14:00 +2 carapace started for Revival 1st colossus is out +1 flier attack started for Revival 3rd base finally finishes for Dear another phoenix is picked off by hydras Dear sets up his army in a concave outside his 3rd so Revival backs off
15:00 Revival goes in for an attack against Dear's army huge ling runby into the main of Dear Revival runs away with his main army lings were on the same hotkey as the main army and started running home lings turn around and start attacking the natural nexus Dear counterattacking with his main army
16:00 Revival trying to make corruptors forcefields block the ground army of revival corruptors come out and kill the 2 colossi the ground army of Dear is pushing Revival back to his 3rd and still has 4 immortals alive infestors are out of energy
17:00 zealots attacking the 4th of Revival another colossus meets up with the army of Dear Revival comes out for another attack again the army but the colossus lives and kills a ton of the army 4th base of Revival is killed +1 armor started for Dear Dear pushing into Revival's natural 50 supply ahead
18:00 the roach warren is killed the natural hatch falls blink into the main base of Revival stalkers attacking the 3rd of Revival as well Revival ggs! Dear earns his 3rd win and takes the match 4-1 for STX SouL!
Oh boy that was handled so badly. Not only did the control group not kill anything but because he didn't lose the lings he couldn't produce corruptors fast enough.
Incoming comments about Revival being a bad choice and how Stephano would have been able to do it etc, etc,. Revival's an incredible player but having the pressure of ace seems really awful. Makes me appreciate JYP a lot more actually.
On January 26 2013 17:44 Meggiroth wrote: Stephano would have won that with the monitor turned off and his hands tied to his back but no the coach decides to throw the worst players on the field.
So why didn't they send out Stephano? Why didn't they send out Jaedong? I really don't understand why they sent out Revival over those 2 players, especially Stephano who is great in ZvP and for the maps they were playing on....
On January 26 2013 17:45 Maesy wrote: Incoming comments about Revival being a bad choice and how Stephano would have been able to do it etc, etc,. Revival's an incredible player but having the pressure of ace seems really awful. Makes me appreciate JYP a lot more actually.
You are 10 minutes too late. The second Revival was announced, people declared that game lost and that Stephano would have won that.
On January 26 2013 17:45 Maesy wrote: Incoming comments about Revival being a bad choice and how Stephano would have been able to do it etc, etc,. Revival's an incredible player but having the pressure of ace seems really awful. Makes me appreciate JYP a lot more actually.
Was about to say this before the match, didnt want to start a fight tho
On January 26 2013 17:44 Meggiroth wrote: Stephano would have won that with the monitor turned off and his hands tied to his back but no the coach decides to throw the worst players on the field.
He didn't do hot last time vs Jaehoon . Either way Revival played badly .
On January 26 2013 17:45 Skiblet wrote: So why didn't they send out Stephano? Why didn't they send out Jaedong? I really don't understand why they sent out Revival over those 2 players, especially Stephano who is great in ZvP and for the maps they were playing on....
Do you remember Stephano's last PvZ in proleague...
On January 26 2013 17:45 Skiblet wrote: So why didn't they send out Stephano? Why didn't they send out Jaedong? I really don't understand why they sent out Revival over those 2 players, especially Stephano who is great in ZvP and for the maps they were playing on....
It was a terrible decision by the coach. No excuse.
On January 26 2013 17:45 Skiblet wrote: So why didn't they send out Stephano? Why didn't they send out Jaedong? I really don't understand why they sent out Revival over those 2 players, especially Stephano who is great in ZvP and for the maps they were playing on....
It was a terrible decision by the coach. No excuse.
you would have sent jaedong instead of revival in that game?
On January 26 2013 17:45 Maesy wrote: Incoming comments about Revival being a bad choice and how Stephano would have been able to do it etc, etc,. Revival's an incredible player but having the pressure of ace seems really awful. Makes me appreciate JYP a lot more actually.
You are 10 minutes too late. The second Revival was announced, people declared that game lost and that Stephano would have won that.
On January 26 2013 17:47 BigFan wrote: People need to give Revival a break. As mentioned, pressure as ACE must be extreme. He still would've had to triple kill to win that series.
On January 26 2013 17:47 BigFan wrote: People need to give Revival a break. As mentioned, pressure as ACE must be extreme. He still would've had to triple kill to win that series.
The only way EG-TL can win is if Huk, Thorzain, Zenio, and Puma are removed from the roster so they're forced to put out their best players all the time even if it's predictable. Too many free wins on the team that get way too many opportunities because the coaches want to be nice and fair.
On January 26 2013 17:45 Skiblet wrote: So why didn't they send out Stephano? Why didn't they send out Jaedong? I really don't understand why they sent out Revival over those 2 players, especially Stephano who is great in ZvP and for the maps they were playing on....
It was a terrible decision by the coach. No excuse.
What do you mean it was a terrible decision? I can't believe people look over how well Revival has been playing lately. He's been on par with those two if not better and he's been kicking ass since he debuted in SPL.
Team EG-TL have the best players. Taeja, Jaedong, Stephano, Hero... They should be in the top 3 easily. But no... The coach sends Zenio, JYP and Revival over Jaedong and Stephano. I mean, come on...... I just don't get it. This isn't the first time something like this happens. Maybe the coach bet a lot of money on his team losing.......... Just frustrating to see such incompetence.........
On January 26 2013 17:48 Meggiroth wrote: Fire that coach and EG-TL wins everything. Even the players by themselves would make better decisions between themselves on who to go on the field.
So you're saying Stephano, Jaedong and Taeja is enough to win 100% games, since no one else is allowed to play basically. Seeing as soon as either JYP, Revival, Puma is sent out it's a bad choice.
On January 26 2013 17:45 Skiblet wrote: So why didn't they send out Stephano? Why didn't they send out Jaedong? I really don't understand why they sent out Revival over those 2 players, especially Stephano who is great in ZvP and for the maps they were playing on....
It was a terrible decision by the coach. No excuse.
On paper is not that bad. Jaedong is kinda bad at ZvP. Stephano has a priority on GSL code S. Revival is the second best Zerg in the team behind Stephano.
On January 26 2013 17:44 Meggiroth wrote: Stephano would have won that with the monitor turned off and his hands tied to his back but no the coach decides to throw the worst players on the field.
Sending hero instead of stephano on Entombed Valley was really the worst decision imo. especially considering dear was send out against a toss, you'd expect him being condident in that matchup. zenio as starter was also kind of strange.
You put all your best players all the time in the beginning, and you're fucked in the latter half of the season bc everyone's figured out your tactics and players.
Just coast by and make sure you can get into postseason, then you can pull out your big guns more frequently.
On January 26 2013 17:49 Clefairy wrote: The only way EG-TL can win is if Huk, Thorzain, Zenio, and Puma are removed from the roster so they're forced to put out their best players all the time even if it's predictable. Too many free wins on the team that get way too many opportunities because the coaches want to be nice and fair.
agree with this, it becomes impossible for some players to be taken out from the depths of EGTL rooster
On January 26 2013 17:51 Scalepad wrote: So is STX Soul good or did EGTL have a shitty day?
Genuinely curious, I can't follow SC2 other than reading the occasional LR thread now and then.
STX havent been performing at all, since they are at last spot, but I myself still feel that they do have some depth in their roster, I think they can catch up later on
On January 26 2013 17:51 mijellin wrote: You put all your best players all the time in the beginning, and you're fucked in the latter half of the season bc everyone's figured out your tactics and players.
Just coast by and make sure you can get into postseason, then you can pull out your big guns more frequently.
The problem with EG-TL is that 1.) They don't have really deep practice partner. 2.) They put priority more in individual league than team league (GSL, which is a better choice since foreign audience regard Code S a lot more than PL). 3.) Their best player is out because of injury.
So yeah, the roster is quite fairly thin right now.
On January 26 2013 17:51 mijellin wrote: You put all your best players all the time in the beginning, and you're fucked in the latter half of the season bc everyone's figured out your tactics and players.
Just coast by and make sure you can get into postseason, then you can pull out your big guns more frequently.
That's no excuse bro
KT fields Flash, Stats, Wooki and Action almost every match SKT always goes with Rain, Fantasy, Soo, Paralyze, Best STX -> Bogus, Hyvaa, Dear, Last are mainstays Khan => Jangbi, Roro, Stork, Reality
Why the f*ck can't EG-TL field Stephano-Jaedong-Hero (and Taeja when he's healed) every match?
On January 26 2013 17:49 Clefairy wrote: The only way EG-TL can win is if Huk, Thorzain, Zenio, and Puma are removed from the roster so they're forced to put out their best players all the time even if it's predictable. Too many free wins on the team that get way too many opportunities because the coaches want to be nice and fair.
The problem with EG-TL is their Terran depth. Correct me if I'm wrong but normal pro league format (not all kill) requires you to put out at least one player from each race in the lineup. With Taeja out for at least round 3 this means Puma or Thorzain has to be sent out for every match. I think the Taeja injury will be the beginning of the end for EG-TL unless Puma and/or Thorzain step it up.
On January 26 2013 17:45 ShynZ wrote: stephano would be a better choice
yea but hyvaa would have sniped him
Iam sure JaeDong would have been the best choice, hes underused anyways
Its hard to go down with Stephano and JD both sitting a match out.
IMHO questioning the coaching is justified based on not using either of your top players. Proleague matters.....we needs wins, not just stage and TV appearances for everyone.
I don't care whats happening in practice. JD is a proven PL legend and Stephano has won more big stage events than every non-korean combined. One, or both, of them need to play.
On January 26 2013 17:51 mijellin wrote: You put all your best players all the time in the beginning, and you're fucked in the latter half of the season bc everyone's figured out your tactics and players.
Just coast by and make sure you can get into postseason, then you can pull out your big guns more frequently.
That's no excuse bro
KT fields Flash, Stats, Wooki and Action almost every match SKT always goes with Rain, Fantasy, Soo, Paralyze, Best STX -> Bogus, Hyvaa, Dear, Last are mainstays Khan => Jangbi, Roro, Stork, Reality
Why the f*ck can't EG-TL field Stephano-Jaedong-Hero (and Taeja when he's healed) every match?
On January 26 2013 17:58 letian wrote: funny thing though, every time I watch EGTL matches is because I hope JD or Taeja will play. I don't come to see Zenio or Revival.
Better email the sponsors. I'm sure they would like to know.
EG-TL didn't have a bad day, they had a bad coach with horribly stupid decisions.
I'm sick already of bashing him, he screws over the team almost every week with decisions like these. JYP in ace , Revival Ace , not to mention fielding Puma in previous weeks and other fails. I was so hyped for EG-TL thinking I'd be seeing Hero Taeja Stephano and Jaedong own kespa and instead I get to see the worst players in the roster sent out in the worst situations every week. Screw Proleague. I won't watch it anymore.
On January 26 2013 18:01 LimitSEA wrote: Surprised they played Zenio. He's the only player I probably would've had someone else play for, that being JD.
On January 26 2013 17:58 letian wrote: funny thing though, every time I watch EGTL matches is because I hope JD or Taeja will play. I don't come to see Zenio or Revival.
Better email the sponsors. I'm sure they would like to know.
I think sponsors understand that if JD fielded frequently ppl will come and watch him more, even if he loses as many times as Revival.
On January 26 2013 17:58 letian wrote: funny thing though, every time I watch EGTL matches is because I hope JD or Taeja will play. I don't come to see Zenio or Revival.
Better email the sponsors. I'm sure they would like to know.
I think this should be obvious. And if sponsors don't give f... about what is going on and where they invest, then, who will?
Go ahead, I'm 100% sure sponsors would like to hear you, random internet guy, complaining about their coaches decisions. No doubt they would like to know.
I didn't like any of the player choices: Zenio vs Anyone is just bad. I don't get why the dude is on roster, his play is far from solid and he looks like he's asleep everytime the camera is on him
JYP is an incredibly shaky player... Every time I watch him play it looks like he could make the game ending mistake at any point. Save my nerves and keep him off the roster.
HerO I actually like as a player, but STX Soul chose Dear to fight JYP so he's probably their PvP specialist. Why send a protoss against him?
Revival is actually a very solid player, good against all the races so I kinda get why they chose him as the ace (I think him and JD are about equal in skill and Stephano prolly wants to keep his strats hidden since he's playing in code S soon). I still would've hoped for Stephano, while Revival is solid, Stephano is amazing. 3-kills are a possibility for Revival but it would've been more likely with Stephano I feel.
EGTL's coach is so soooo bad. EGTL have the calibre of players that they should no question be top 3. Instead they are currently 6th and they just lost to by far the worst team who had only won 1 in their previous 6 matches!
Every one of the coach's picks was bad, every one. I could analyze in detail why each was a bad pick but the results speak for themselves. 1-4 against the worst team in the league with players like stephano watching from the bench unused. I am speechless.
By the way I wonder what all the people who thought Revival was a better pick than Stephano to three-kill have to say now? I actually think Revival is a good player but he is a choker under pressure. He said himself when he was interviewed he cracked under pressure after his last ace loss. Stephano has played and won in countless finals, he clearly thrives under pressure. You're the coach and you know this...and you pick Revival?!
I would say it's quite obvious the reason they chose not to play him. Stephano has his code S match next week, so they are preparing him full time for the Code S. Yeah, PL is important for EG-TL but I doubt they view it as important as Code S (which a lot more foreign fans watch it).
On January 26 2013 18:20 Veldril wrote: @Everyone asking playing Stephano:
I would say it's quite obvious the reason they chose not to play him. Stephano has his code S match next week, so they are preparing him full time for the Code S. Yeah, PL is important for EG-TL but I doubt they view it as important as Code S (which a lot more foreign fans watch it).
Well, Bogus/Innovation is in Stephano's group in GSL. He played, he won, his team won.
Maybe that will hurt him in GSL, maybe it won't. Clearly STX wanted their proleague win more that EG/TL because they didn't let that be a factor.
Stephano is streaming dozens of games everyday. I don't see how a few more televised matches would hurt him.
On January 26 2013 17:58 letian wrote: funny thing though, every time I watch EGTL matches is because I hope JD or Taeja will play. I don't come to see Zenio or Revival.
Better email the sponsors. I'm sure they would like to know.
I think this should be obvious. And if sponsors don't give f... about what is going on and where they invest, then, who will?
Go ahead, I'm 100% sure sponsors would like to hear you, random internet guy, complaining about their coaches decisions. No doubt they would like to know.
EG-TL is there to win, right? If they were in such bad position (been led 3-1) why not send the best players still available? In all seriousness, I wouldn't be so disappointed about EG-TL if Stephano or JD were the choice for ace, at least I'll know that they did their best (EG-TL). Revival is a good player nonetheless (SKT1 - EG-TL) , but when you don't have any room to afford another loss , you send the big guns.
I think we're being harsh about the lineup. Jyp and zenio are solid choices. I mean they have to show ROI somehow and JYP atleast seems to have done better than we think.
HerO is an emminently solid pick. I would say HerO, revival and JD are all the same tier of strength for EGTL. Stephano obviously needs to prep for his Code S run. Taeja needs to recover.
I love that everybody just non-stop criticizes the coaches on EG-TL as if they know exactly what matchups/maps the players have prepared for this week. Proleague has a huge element of preparation by having various players practice specific matchups on specific maps. If the player/map combo comes up they will put out the person who was supposed to have prepared for it. It might be a specific build against a specific player or simply a race on a map, but that's how you plan out for proleague.
Wow, I would not have expected this. I'm still really hoping for a top 4 finish, but things look bleak, especially with HotS so close to release. I assume SPL finishes before the expansion comes?
On January 26 2013 18:53 kafkaesque wrote: Wow, I would not have expected this. I'm still really hoping for a top 4 finish, but things look bleak, especially with HotS so close to release. I assume SPL finishes before the expansion comes?
SPL will run all the way into May/June at the least. Round 4 5 and 6 will be HOTS then you have the playoffs.
On January 26 2013 17:58 letian wrote: funny thing though, every time I watch EGTL matches is because I hope JD or Taeja will play. I don't come to see Zenio or Revival.
Better email the sponsors. I'm sure they would like to know.
I think this should be obvious. And if sponsors don't give f... about what is going on and where they invest, then, who will?
Go ahead, I'm 100% sure sponsors would like to hear you, random internet guy, complaining about their coaches decisions. No doubt they would like to know.
So you think this is how it works)?
Ofcourse this is how it works. Sponsors would be stupid to trust their coaches, who watch the players 24/7 and know best how they perform. No way they would ignore the complains of the TL-armys.
On January 26 2013 17:58 letian wrote: funny thing though, every time I watch EGTL matches is because I hope JD or Taeja will play. I don't come to see Zenio or Revival.
Better email the sponsors. I'm sure they would like to know.
I think this should be obvious. And if sponsors don't give f... about what is going on and where they invest, then, who will?
Go ahead, I'm 100% sure sponsors would like to hear you, random internet guy, complaining about their coaches decisions. No doubt they would like to know.
So you think this is how it works)?
Ofcourse this is how it works. Sponsors would be stupid to trust their coaches, who watch the players 24/7 and know best how they perform. No way they would ignore the complains of the TL-armys.
All I have to say is that Revival totally HAD Dear with that zergling runby. If he hadn't made that control group mistake, he could have focussed the Robo down and then gone for the mineral line of the main or natural. I have a hunch that he lost his army right after he realized his mistake with the zergling runby and perhaps he wouldn't have lost his army if his zergling miscontrol had never distracted him
On January 26 2013 17:58 letian wrote: funny thing though, every time I watch EGTL matches is because I hope JD or Taeja will play. I don't come to see Zenio or Revival.
Better email the sponsors. I'm sure they would like to know.
I think this should be obvious. And if sponsors don't give f... about what is going on and where they invest, then, who will?
Go ahead, I'm 100% sure sponsors would like to hear you, random internet guy, complaining about their coaches decisions. No doubt they would like to know.
So you think this is how it works)?
Ofcourse this is how it works. Sponsors would be stupid to trust their coaches, who watch the players 24/7 and know best how they perform. No way they would ignore the complains of the TL-armys.
Would you please buy some flowers to the coaches.
Nah, I'd rather complain about them on TL, because I have such good insight knowledge. They do this as a job? Come on, I watch Starcaft tournaments all week - I would be a way better coach.
If the player performs worse in official match than in practice, it is still coach fault because they send him out. Coaches should account for player mental readiness as much as their actual house-practice results. Sure, players lose, but when you compare what they have on their team to results, something is not right. All-kill format is much worse for EG-TL than set matches by far.
On January 26 2013 17:58 letian wrote: funny thing though, every time I watch EGTL matches is because I hope JD or Taeja will play. I don't come to see Zenio or Revival.
Better email the sponsors. I'm sure they would like to know.
I think this should be obvious. And if sponsors don't give f... about what is going on and where they invest, then, who will?
Go ahead, I'm 100% sure sponsors would like to hear you, random internet guy, complaining about their coaches decisions. No doubt they would like to know.
So you think this is how it works)?
Ofcourse this is how it works. Sponsors would be stupid to trust their coaches, who watch the players 24/7 and know best how they perform. No way they would ignore the complains of the TL-armys.
Would you please buy some flowers to the coaches.
Nah, I'd rather complain about them on TL, because I have such good insight knowledge. They do this as a job? Come on, I watch Starcaft tournaments all week - I would be a way better coach.
From my observation since Stephano arrived for round two I have noticed that they only send him out when there are at least several non-kespa/proleague specific maps lined up. It is pretty obvious since the moment he arrived there that he had zero practice time on them and has likely not been practicing on them much because of GSL (although I do not know for sure). I would say at this point it is safe to say they will not send him out unless its on a non-kespa map if he remains in the current gsl tournament for a while.
JYP so bad stalker controll ... Hero: if you want to contain, you should actually have the apm to do it if your enemy wants to move out Revival: no words for that ling runby..
the only guy who played half decent is Zenio and he just isnt on the same level as Innovation.
On January 26 2013 17:58 letian wrote: funny thing though, every time I watch EGTL matches is because I hope JD or Taeja will play. I don't come to see Zenio or Revival.
Better email the sponsors. I'm sure they would like to know.
I think this should be obvious. And if sponsors don't give f... about what is going on and where they invest, then, who will?
Go ahead, I'm 100% sure sponsors would like to hear you, random internet guy, complaining about their coaches decisions. No doubt they would like to know.
So you think this is how it works)?
Ofcourse this is how it works. Sponsors would be stupid to trust their coaches, who watch the players 24/7 and know best how they perform. No way they would ignore the complains of the TL-armys.
Would you please buy some flowers to the coaches.
Nah, I'd rather complain about them on TL, because I have such good insight knowledge. They do this as a job? Come on, I watch Starcaft tournaments all week - I would be a way better coach.
well, we all have our little soft spots ^_^
The classic "I've lost the argument, try to annoy the other person" Grow up.
Worst series from EG-TL since they entered proleague imo... JYP was atrocious (even in the game he won), Hero was surprisingly poor and Revival's ling run-by just emphasised how badly the series had gone! Incredibly disappointed, can't afford to have showings like this when only mid-table.. sorely missing Taeja and sorely missed Stephano ><
Seems like revival had those lings that ran by still binded to his main army.. And was really thrown off by protosses chase and being unable to run infestors fast enough
Man, Revival having NO creep spread on a map where all the bases are so disjointed is just.... I don't know what. He had no excuse for not winning that game and seemed to fall further and further apart after losing 4 roaches to pheonix lifts.
I really couldn't believe how bad JYPs control was (in the game he won, lol), Hero made some questionable mistakes, and Revival basically threw that game away. :|
On January 26 2013 17:58 Albinoswordfish wrote: With Taeja out for at least round 3
Hyperbole much? TaeJa is playing Code S next week.
I thought I read an article that doctor's advised Taeja not to play for round 3 in Proleague. Is that not true?
Well, provide the link of the article? Are you sure it wasn't just for round 2?
As for anything official, all we got out of Liquid was the team's content manager eventually saying, "It's a week by week thing, we don't always know ourselves, but TaeJa is playing it safe. His wrists hurt, that's all." And all Liquid's actual player manager keeps talking about is DotA.
On January 26 2013 17:58 Albinoswordfish wrote: With Taeja out for at least round 3
Hyperbole much? TaeJa is playing Code S next week.
I thought I read an article that doctor's advised Taeja not to play for round 3 in Proleague. Is that not true?
Well, provide the link of the article? Are you sure it wasn't just for round 2?
As for anything official, all we got out of Liquid was the team's content manager eventually saying, "It's a week by week thing, we don't always know ourselves, but TaeJa is playing it safe. His wrists hurt, that's all." And all Liquid's actual player manager keeps talking about is DotA.
Basically the article is from FOMOS, a pretty reputable korean site, which states that from doctors advice Taeja should not play for a month, this was posted 11 days ago.
On January 26 2013 17:58 Albinoswordfish wrote: With Taeja out for at least round 3
Hyperbole much? TaeJa is playing Code S next week.
I thought I read an article that doctor's advised Taeja not to play for round 3 in Proleague. Is that not true?
Well, provide the link of the article? Are you sure it wasn't just for round 2?
As for anything official, all we got out of Liquid was the team's content manager eventually saying, "It's a week by week thing, we don't always know ourselves, but TaeJa is playing it safe. His wrists hurt, that's all." And all Liquid's actual player manager keeps talking about is DotA.
Basically the article is from FOMOS, a pretty reputable korean site, which states that from doctors advice Taeja should not play for a month, this was posted 11 days ago.
Well, it doesn't say anything specific about the entirety of any rounds. A Chinese website is also a questionable source when it doesn't even link to the original FOMOS article. TaeJa did play in the online IPL6 qualifiers recently and so far hasn't cancelled his Code S matches this coming Friday. Thankfully his team is keeping us from speculating.
On January 27 2013 01:54 EvanC wrote: I really couldn't believe how bad JYPs control was (in the game he won, lol), Hero made some questionable mistakes, and Revival basically threw that game away. :|
Yes, lets not give Dear any credit for playing well.
Very questionable to send HerO into a PvP when it's his worst match up and it's Dears best. I think that JD or Stephano could've taken him down and that it should be easy clean up of the rest of STX.
I remember the last time I seen a tied game in proleague...that PvT on the map with the destructible temples. Was that Light vs Tempest? The one where the ref paused it, but Tempest wanted to continue cause he thought his goons could hit the floating CC, but turns out they couldn't. That was fun.
Oh no, it was this one. It was still a Tempest game. + Show Spoiler +
On January 27 2013 09:57 Talionis wrote: lol a tied game.
I remember the last time I seen a tied game in proleague...that PvT on the map with the destructible temples. Was that Light vs Tempest? The one where the ref paused it, but Tempest wanted to continue cause he thought his goons could hit the floating CC, but turns out they couldn't. That was fun.
Oh no, it was this one. It was still a Tempest game. + Show Spoiler +
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HcqBeDDlsnk
I think Pure had one against some either Sea or LighT a while ago.
Man I get kinda annoyed watching EGTL in proleague sometimes. I can understand using JYP lately because he at least will usually pull you 1 win which is what you expect of a player when in AK format. Zenio though? Zenio out of almost the whole EGTL squad (for proleague) is the least achieving of players. Hero I can understand for obvious reason but why Revival for your ace? Regardless of skill putting someone who has nerve problems as your ace is ridiculous. Even if he is better then JD, you can't deny that JD has the most experience of being in pressure oriented situations. Also you had Stephano on the bench. Either of these picks would've been way better. This isn't the first time either that it seems the coaching has been a mega blunder when choosing who to start and finish, it almost feels like they'd rather have their players get experience rather then win sometimes. The thing I love about most of the kespa teams is they play cutthroat. What I mean by this is usually they will always play their best 2-3 players and have their ace players always play the ace position regardless. Sigh I really hope EGTL learns to be more cutthroat in who they play in their lineups since the season isn't over yet for them, they just really got to get it together.
On January 27 2013 13:36 Havik_ wrote: So apparently there was a draw in one of the games? lol. How did that one turn out?
i didnt see it but if i had to guess it was probably a base trade into each player had like a pylon left and no one was willing to move out. thats just a guess though
HerO and Dear went for proxy DT's (next to each other, too), and when they attacked there was no detection. The game ended with both players building cannons and sitting all of their units around them.
On January 26 2013 17:58 Albinoswordfish wrote: With Taeja out for at least round 3
Hyperbole much? TaeJa is playing Code S next week.
I thought I read an article that doctor's advised Taeja not to play for round 3 in Proleague. Is that not true?
Well, provide the link of the article? Are you sure it wasn't just for round 2?
As for anything official, all we got out of Liquid was the team's content manager eventually saying, "It's a week by week thing, we don't always know ourselves, but TaeJa is playing it safe. His wrists hurt, that's all." And all Liquid's actual player manager keeps talking about is DotA.
I know I'm not tweeting much about StarCraft, but I can assure you that my focus on StarCraft isn't weakened and still is a high priority for me.
On January 26 2013 17:58 letian wrote: funny thing though, every time I watch EGTL matches is because I hope JD or Taeja will play. I don't come to see Zenio or Revival.
Better email the sponsors. I'm sure they would like to know.
I think this should be obvious. And if sponsors don't give f... about what is going on and where they invest, then, who will?
Go ahead, I'm 100% sure sponsors would like to hear you, random internet guy, complaining about their coaches decisions. No doubt they would like to know.
So you think this is how it works)?
Ofcourse this is how it works. Sponsors would be stupid to trust their coaches, who watch the players 24/7 and know best how they perform. No way they would ignore the complains of the TL-armys.
Would you please buy some flowers to the coaches.
Nah, I'd rather complain about them on TL, because I have such good insight knowledge. They do this as a job? Come on, I watch Starcaft tournaments all week - I would be a way better coach.
well, we all have our little soft spots ^_^
The classic "I've lost the argument, try to annoy the other person" Grow up.
It is not my intention to win arguments, my intention is to express my point of view. Whether it is wrong or not is another question. I can't be 100% wrong in the argument above and even if I am, I don't fucking care. What I care for is the opportunity to come and watch the games of the players I want to watch and who are in fact better and more entertaining to. When I come and see how practice partners play and lose the match I think I can elaborate on this for some time, can I?
I think I have a right to express my rage or praise, depending on the situation too. By saying "we all have out little soft spots", I acknowledge that I can be wrong, but is being right important to me? It is important for those who are trying to boost their self-esteem by winning arguments. So, if it was your attempt at showing how mature your are, then I can tell you, the only thing you've been successful at is being stupid enough to make that kind of post.
On January 28 2013 00:19 shid0x wrote: Overall bad decision by the coach. I mean,not sending stephano against a protoss when you are at your last card ???? Really ?
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