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Tsubbi
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany7996 Posts
January 25 2013 12:55 GMT
#801
from my experience brood infestor is pretty much dead in pvz unless you get an enourmous lead early in the game, cant hold 3 base pushes and has weaker late game army vs defensive toss, its 2010 all over again
vthree
Profile Joined November 2011
Hong Kong8039 Posts
January 25 2013 12:55 GMT
#802
On January 25 2013 21:51 dainbramage wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 25 2013 21:50 Waxangel wrote:
what's going on behind the scenes that leads to this madness?

has infestor-turtle into brood lords been getting record low win rates on ladder ?!

We've gone back to 2010 when zergs didn't know that infestation pits (and hive by extension) existed


Yeah, it seems zergs are trying everything else besides infestor/BLs now. Maybe their win rate is really low now after the nerfs. But it still seems better than some of these things they are trying.
Derez
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Netherlands6068 Posts
January 25 2013 12:55 GMT
#803
Interesting that the IT patch had such an impact on ZvP. Been a long time since 11 min roach maxes still worked I guess.
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
January 25 2013 12:55 GMT
#804
2012 Code S S5 final 8 are 0/4 to advance. I could see Ryung not making it to go 0/5
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Chandra
Profile Joined July 2011
United States123 Posts
January 25 2013 12:56 GMT
#805
This is weird to me. What's stopping zergs from going fast hive? Are they super scared of 3 base timings or something?
Deleted User 137586
Profile Joined January 2011
7859 Posts
January 25 2013 12:56 GMT
#806
On January 25 2013 21:55 Derez wrote:
Interesting that the IT patch had such an impact on ZvP. Been a long time since 11 min roach maxes still worked I guess.


And the IT nerf was meant to help with TvZ. Well done Blizz ^^
Cry 'havoc' and let slip the dogs of war
X3GoldDot
Profile Joined August 2011
Malaysia3840 Posts
January 25 2013 12:56 GMT
#807
On January 25 2013 21:55 vthree wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 25 2013 21:51 dainbramage wrote:
On January 25 2013 21:50 Waxangel wrote:
what's going on behind the scenes that leads to this madness?

has infestor-turtle into brood lords been getting record low win rates on ladder ?!

We've gone back to 2010 when zergs didn't know that infestation pits (and hive by extension) existed


Yeah, it seems zergs are trying everything else besides infestor/BLs now. Maybe their win rate is really low now after the nerfs. But it still seems better than some of these things they are trying.


i guess they want to prepare the transition faster, infestorBL is weak in hots and since this is the last season obviosly they want to try out better builds for the long term
prime/startale/[SexComaZerg, RoyalRoaderZerg, SirLifealot] ingame ID = GoodGame
scoww
Profile Joined June 2012
595 Posts
January 25 2013 12:56 GMT
#808
hyun back to mediocrity...
Derez
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Netherlands6068 Posts
January 25 2013 12:57 GMT
#809
On January 25 2013 21:56 Ghanburighan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 25 2013 21:55 Derez wrote:
Interesting that the IT patch had such an impact on ZvP. Been a long time since 11 min roach maxes still worked I guess.


And the IT nerf was meant to help with TvZ. Well done Blizz ^^

No it wasn't. The IT nerf was always ment for ZvP, mass IT spam has never been common in ZvT.
Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24422 Posts
January 25 2013 12:57 GMT
#810
On January 25 2013 21:56 Ghanburighan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 25 2013 21:55 Derez wrote:
Interesting that the IT patch had such an impact on ZvP. Been a long time since 11 min roach maxes still worked I guess.


And the IT nerf was meant to help with TvZ. Well done Blizz ^^


I thought it was like 70% directed at PvZ or something? I mean, it's obviously gonna affect that matchup the most, aside from ZvZ...
Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
WhX
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany778 Posts
January 25 2013 12:58 GMT
#811
On January 25 2013 21:54 Insoleet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 25 2013 21:51 WhX wrote:
On January 25 2013 21:50 Waxangel wrote:
what's going on behind the scenes that leads to this madness?

has infestor-turtle into brood lords been getting record low win rates on ladder ?!


I don't understand either... Someone should interview those desperate zergs


If you followed twitter, you'd read pro zerg players (especially Life) saying that with infestor nerfs, protoss is too hard lategame if the zerg played turtly.

Just watch MC vs Curious, Curious did the turtle into lategame tactic, but he got crushed by the mass air + HT of MC.


I do follow 'em and I did watch Curious vs. MC. Still, keep going for drop play and hydras isn't effective either it seems, right?
moofang
Profile Joined June 2011
508 Posts
January 25 2013 12:58 GMT
#812
On the whole great performance by Squirtle today Glad he advanced.
DaRKMaTT3r
Profile Joined November 2010
Brazil553 Posts
January 25 2013 12:58 GMT
#813
Liquipedia is showing: 1 protoss 3 terrans and 4 zergs on Ro16, when its actualy 2/2/4.
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2013_Global_StarCraft_II_League_Season_1/Code_S
Coolhwip
Profile Joined March 2011
Sweden1381 Posts
January 25 2013 12:58 GMT
#814
On January 25 2013 21:56 Ghanburighan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 25 2013 21:55 Derez wrote:
Interesting that the IT patch had such an impact on ZvP. Been a long time since 11 min roach maxes still worked I guess.


And the IT nerf was meant to help with TvZ. Well done Blizz ^^

No it wasn't. They made the egg nerf just for storm.
crack
coL.hendralisk
Profile Joined September 2009
Zimbabwe1756 Posts
January 25 2013 12:59 GMT
#815
there seems to be a direct correlation in making hydras (when not supremely ahead) and losing
Deleted User 137586
Profile Joined January 2011
7859 Posts
January 25 2013 13:03 GMT
#816
On January 25 2013 21:58 Coolhwip wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 25 2013 21:56 Ghanburighan wrote:
On January 25 2013 21:55 Derez wrote:
Interesting that the IT patch had such an impact on ZvP. Been a long time since 11 min roach maxes still worked I guess.


And the IT nerf was meant to help with TvZ. Well done Blizz ^^

No it wasn't. They made the egg nerf just for storm.


I might be wrong but I remember a b.net post that discussed this patch and said they are looking at TvZ. But I cannot find it anymore.
Cry 'havoc' and let slip the dogs of war
vthree
Profile Joined November 2011
Hong Kong8039 Posts
January 25 2013 13:04 GMT
#817
On January 25 2013 21:56 X3GoldDot wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 25 2013 21:55 vthree wrote:
On January 25 2013 21:51 dainbramage wrote:
On January 25 2013 21:50 Waxangel wrote:
what's going on behind the scenes that leads to this madness?

has infestor-turtle into brood lords been getting record low win rates on ladder ?!

We've gone back to 2010 when zergs didn't know that infestation pits (and hive by extension) existed


Yeah, it seems zergs are trying everything else besides infestor/BLs now. Maybe their win rate is really low now after the nerfs. But it still seems better than some of these things they are trying.


i guess they want to prepare the transition faster, infestorBL is weak in hots and since this is the last season obviosly they want to try out better builds for the long term


But since so many units are different from both races. Doesn't make sense to stay away from from it in WoL. Even if you make roach hydra work against WoL Protoss, doesn't mean it will work against HoTS toss.
vthree
Profile Joined November 2011
Hong Kong8039 Posts
January 25 2013 13:06 GMT
#818
On January 25 2013 21:59 NMxhendralisk wrote:
there seems to be a direct correlation in making hydras (when not supremely ahead) and losing


Hydras are decent when you are forcing trades and putting pressure on the 3rd (both vs toss and Terran). But if opponent can saturate and keep third up to make max army, hydras are pretty bad.
LiamBrady
Profile Joined June 2012
Singapore197 Posts
January 25 2013 13:06 GMT
#819
Squirtle is so awesome to watch, if he doesn't get picked up by a Kespa team I really hope Acer goes for him. Would be a really good fit, plus he'd be able to play for Axiom/Acer in the GSTL.
Scarlett and SEA Dota
vthree
Profile Joined November 2011
Hong Kong8039 Posts
January 25 2013 13:07 GMT
#820
On January 25 2013 21:58 WhX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 25 2013 21:54 Insoleet wrote:
On January 25 2013 21:51 WhX wrote:
On January 25 2013 21:50 Waxangel wrote:
what's going on behind the scenes that leads to this madness?

has infestor-turtle into brood lords been getting record low win rates on ladder ?!


I don't understand either... Someone should interview those desperate zergs


If you followed twitter, you'd read pro zerg players (especially Life) saying that with infestor nerfs, protoss is too hard lategame if the zerg played turtly.

Just watch MC vs Curious, Curious did the turtle into lategame tactic, but he got crushed by the mass air + HT of MC.


I do follow 'em and I did watch Curious vs. MC. Still, keep going for drop play and hydras isn't effective either it seems, right?


Well, drop play has worked but it is only really effective if it is a surprise attack or you are really far ahead. When you get scouted, there are just too many ways to counter it.
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