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On January 12 2013 05:32 pigmanbear wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2013 05:31 Snowbear wrote: Haha PERFECT! I want you zergs to spread the word and use this build A LOT. 90% of terrans go hellion banshee, and guess what they don't have around 10:00? AN ARMY. I wonder how long it takes before zergs start using this more, because this really hardcounters every hellion banshee build. Most hellion banshee builds try and do some damage. MVP just wasn't there for these games, a shame.
If those builds do damage, the zerg made a mistake. Maybe they could do damage a few weeks ago, but now zergs are used to these banshee hellion builds.
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On January 12 2013 05:31 PaperPrinter wrote:Terran has to play greedy vs zerg, but can be punished so easily  . Zerg can play greedy but cant be punished :/
This is true. Are you hinting that this is somehow wrong? That it should be some other way?
Surely you jest.
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On January 12 2013 05:31 iKill wrote: I can't decide if Gowser or Goswer is the most fun way to misspell his name. Goswswser could be another solution.
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Roach queen nydus is more common, because its faster, but that is still great, especially if he doesn't see the overlords.
where was the banshee that would normally be fussing around at the watchtowers? or the vikings that he made after scanning the lair? nothing watching the map except the hellions who got chased away, I guess.
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On January 12 2013 05:31 Seiniyta wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2013 05:30 justinpal wrote:On January 12 2013 05:29 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Wow. Really smart play by Goswser. I felt like that was a blind counter. I am not so sure that he saw anything that tipped him off that MVP was going mech. Gowser did his homework and studied what MVP does usually on this map. It's a calculated risk. If MVP scouts it early on it can backfire horribly. Oh really? And how are you supposed to scout this early?
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I used to play zerg when I did play starcraft 2, 1 year ago, and now all I hope for is zergs losing (except for Nestea). What is wrong blizzard, why did you do that to us ?
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On January 12 2013 05:32 DOUDOU wrote:goswer probably best french zerg Show nested quote +On January 12 2013 05:25 ragz_gt wrote:On January 12 2013 05:23 tabeatz wrote: I hope goswser can pull through against mvp but it seems unlikely. Why? He might not be favored but it would not even be that big of an upset. Goswser did beat MMA to get here. 2012 MMA, don't forget that He beat the 2012 MMA that is considerably weaker than 2011 MMA and even weaker than 2013 MMA
Is that a terminator reference ?
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On January 12 2013 05:27 TheDwf wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2013 05:23 Pandain wrote: He played really well that game, and MVP basically did a build that relied on him being 10x better than Goswser. You can tell that he thought he could just outplay Goswser because of the emphasis on multiple drops, trying to pull him out of position, and playing super incredibally safe. Love how you think you can deduce what Mvp was thinking just because he happens to drop at multiple places. Mentalist is your profession? There's a reason that the multiple non stop style of drops has sort of fizzed out of styles in exchange for more strategic type of drops.
MVP would just send medivacs despite Goswser having clear vision of everything and the fact that MVP wasn't doing a push at the same time. That style of play is something you do vs players you feel can't handle that, not on the pro level aka.
Couple that with the complete safety that he attempted to play with, as well as the fact that Goswser is unknown probably to most koreans and hasn't hit it big in any international tournaments, and I think it can be assumed more than 50% than MVP would simply try to outplay Goswser in an attempt to win, and I saw evidence of that in game.
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On January 12 2013 05:34 Oboeman wrote: Roach queen nydus is more common, because its faster, but that is still great, especially if he doesn't see the overlords.
where was the banshee that would normally be fussing around at the watchtowers? or the vikings that he made after scanning the lair? nothing watching the map except the hellions who got chased away, I guess.
I think he cancelled the banshee after scanning and seeing a spore in the main
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Starcraft 2: Wings Of Liberty is a lost cause, put this game in the garbage can right now and good luck with HotS instead.
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On January 12 2013 05:33 Snowbear wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2013 05:32 pigmanbear wrote:On January 12 2013 05:31 Snowbear wrote: Haha PERFECT! I want you zergs to spread the word and use this build A LOT. 90% of terrans go hellion banshee, and guess what they don't have around 10:00? AN ARMY. I wonder how long it takes before zergs start using this more, because this really hardcounters every hellion banshee build. Most hellion banshee builds try and do some damage. MVP just wasn't there for these games, a shame. If those builds do damage, the zerg made a mistake. Maybe they could do damage a few weeks ago, but now zergs are used to these banshee hellion builds.
Yeah, no amount of skill is gonna get a traditional hellion banshee opening any proper damage without the zerg making mistakes.
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On January 12 2013 05:33 Snowbear wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2013 05:32 pigmanbear wrote:On January 12 2013 05:31 Snowbear wrote: Haha PERFECT! I want you zergs to spread the word and use this build A LOT. 90% of terrans go hellion banshee, and guess what they don't have around 10:00? AN ARMY. I wonder how long it takes before zergs start using this more, because this really hardcounters every hellion banshee build. Most hellion banshee builds try and do some damage. MVP just wasn't there for these games, a shame. If those builds do damage, the zerg made a mistake. Well then most zergs make mistakes. See ForGG do this on ladder. 25% of the time he kills the zerg, but at least 50% of the other games he does enough damage to make it worthwhile. For a zerg to make themselves completely bulletproof to this attack would really set them back if the terran greedies.
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On January 12 2013 05:32 Snowbear wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2013 05:31 ShroudeD wrote:On January 12 2013 05:30 Qwerty85 wrote: That was like 20 + roaches 11min in the game. What build from terran can actually defend this? Bio lol Bio? How much bio do you think you can have if you follow your banshee hellion build up with a third CC, double grades, and raxes just finnishing making reactors? Well when you go bio,you usually don't go for banshees.then you have marines which kill overlords,fast.Then you have bunkers.There
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On January 12 2013 05:32 pigmanbear wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2013 05:31 Snowbear wrote: Haha PERFECT! I want you zergs to spread the word and use this build A LOT. 90% of terrans go hellion banshee, and guess what they don't have around 10:00? AN ARMY. I wonder how long it takes before zergs start using this more, because this really hardcounters every hellion banshee build. Most hellion banshee builds try and do some damage. MVP just wasn't there for these games, a shame.
A month ago or two yep, now they normally just die horribly to aggression in most maps.
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On January 12 2013 05:32 Snowbear wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2013 05:31 ShroudeD wrote:On January 12 2013 05:30 Qwerty85 wrote: That was like 20 + roaches 11min in the game. What build from terran can actually defend this? Bio lol Bio? How much bio do you think you can have if you follow your banshee hellion build up with a third CC, double grades, and raxes just finnishing making reactors?
Maybe you don't need to be doing all of those things if zerg doesn't take a 3rd base. consider making units instead.
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On January 12 2013 05:32 gillon wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2013 05:25 Schelim wrote:On January 12 2013 05:23 gillon wrote: I don't know guys, it simply feels like goswser is a league above Mvp, y'know. Maybe, in the future, he might stand a chance. But as it is right now the sheer discrepancy in skill between the two players is astounding. Goswser is truly displaying true RTS skill that Mvp simply cannot match. can one be warned for this kind of trolling? serious question. i've been warned for no particular reason several times on here so i don't really get the rules. What do you mean by trolling? Truly there first two games have demonstrated my point? The sheer dominance displayed. Goswer best Starcraft 2 player ever.
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On January 12 2013 05:34 Lixo wrote: I used to play zerg when I did play starcraft 2, 1 year ago, and now all I hope for is zergs losing (except for Nestea). What is wrong blizzard, why did you do that to us ? pfffff
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On January 12 2013 05:35 pigmanbear wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2013 05:33 Snowbear wrote:On January 12 2013 05:32 pigmanbear wrote:On January 12 2013 05:31 Snowbear wrote: Haha PERFECT! I want you zergs to spread the word and use this build A LOT. 90% of terrans go hellion banshee, and guess what they don't have around 10:00? AN ARMY. I wonder how long it takes before zergs start using this more, because this really hardcounters every hellion banshee build. Most hellion banshee builds try and do some damage. MVP just wasn't there for these games, a shame. If those builds do damage, the zerg made a mistake. Well then most zergs make mistakes. See ForGG do this on ladder. 25% of the time he kills the zerg, but at least 50% of the other games he does enough damage to make it worthwhile. For a zerg to make themselves completely bulletproof to this attack would really set them back if the terran greedies.
Completely unrelated, but shoutout to ForGG for being able to break people apart with ease and getting more out of his armies than most other terrans. He's quite the master of engagements
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On January 12 2013 05:32 Snowbear wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2013 05:31 ShroudeD wrote:On January 12 2013 05:30 Qwerty85 wrote: That was like 20 + roaches 11min in the game. What build from terran can actually defend this? Bio lol Bio? How much bio do you think you can have if you follow your banshee hellion build up with a third CC, double grades, and raxes just finnishing making reactors? Hellion banshee provides great scouting if used correctly, obviously you don't make third and double ups when you scout the two-baseing zerg. The best terran in the world didn't play his best, and that gets punished hard when you face the might of the swarm!
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On January 12 2013 05:34 Bagration wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2013 05:34 Oboeman wrote: Roach queen nydus is more common, because its faster, but that is still great, especially if he doesn't see the overlords.
where was the banshee that would normally be fussing around at the watchtowers? or the vikings that he made after scanning the lair? nothing watching the map except the hellions who got chased away, I guess. I think he cancelled the banshee after scanning and seeing a spore in the main
That's possible. I think he suspected 2 base muta when he saw the lair.
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