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Snowbear
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Korea (South)1925 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-11 20:34:05
January 11 2013 20:33 GMT
#541
On January 12 2013 05:32 pigmanbear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 12 2013 05:31 Snowbear wrote:
Haha PERFECT! I want you zergs to spread the word and use this build A LOT. 90% of terrans go hellion banshee, and guess what they don't have around 10:00? AN ARMY. I wonder how long it takes before zergs start using this more, because this really hardcounters every hellion banshee build.

Most hellion banshee builds try and do some damage. MVP just wasn't there for these games, a shame.


If those builds do damage, the zerg made a mistake. Maybe they could do damage a few weeks ago, but now zergs are used to these banshee hellion builds.
gillon
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Sweden1578 Posts
January 11 2013 20:33 GMT
#542
On January 12 2013 05:31 PaperPrinter wrote:
Terran has to play greedy vs zerg, but can be punished so easily . Zerg can play greedy but cant be punished :/


This is true. Are you hinting that this is somehow wrong? That it should be some other way?

Surely you jest.
www.teamproperty.net | "You should hate losing, but you should never fear defeat." - 이윤열
Boucot
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
France15997 Posts
January 11 2013 20:33 GMT
#543
On January 12 2013 05:31 iKill wrote:
I can't decide if Gowser or Goswer is the most fun way to misspell his name.

Goswswser could be another solution.
Former SC2 writer for Millenium - twitter.com/Boucot
Oboeman
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada3980 Posts
January 11 2013 20:34 GMT
#544
Roach queen nydus is more common, because its faster, but that is still great, especially if he doesn't see the overlords.

where was the banshee that would normally be fussing around at the watchtowers?
or the vikings that he made after scanning the lair? nothing watching the map except the hellions who got chased away, I guess.
TheDwf
Profile Joined November 2011
France19747 Posts
January 11 2013 20:34 GMT
#545
On January 12 2013 05:31 Seiniyta wrote:
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On January 12 2013 05:30 justinpal wrote:
On January 12 2013 05:29 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Wow. Really smart play by Goswser.


I felt like that was a blind counter. I am not so sure that he saw anything that tipped him off that MVP was going mech.


Gowser did his homework and studied what MVP does usually on this map. It's a calculated risk. If MVP scouts it early on it can backfire horribly.

Oh really? And how are you supposed to scout this early?
Lixo
Profile Joined May 2011
202 Posts
January 11 2013 20:34 GMT
#546
I used to play zerg when I did play starcraft 2, 1 year ago, and now all I hope for is zergs losing (except for Nestea).
What is wrong blizzard, why did you do that to us ?
Godwrath
Profile Joined August 2012
Spain10126 Posts
January 11 2013 20:34 GMT
#547
On January 12 2013 05:32 DOUDOU wrote:
goswer probably best french zerg

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On January 12 2013 05:25 ragz_gt wrote:
On January 12 2013 05:23 tabeatz wrote:
I hope goswser can pull through against mvp but it seems unlikely.


Why? He might not be favored but it would not even be that big of an upset. Goswser did beat MMA to get here.

2012 MMA, don't forget that
He beat the 2012 MMA that is considerably weaker than 2011 MMA and even weaker than 2013 MMA


Is that a terminator reference ?
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
January 11 2013 20:34 GMT
#548
On January 12 2013 05:27 TheDwf wrote:
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On January 12 2013 05:23 Pandain wrote:
He played really well that game, and MVP basically did a build that relied on him being 10x better than Goswser. You can tell that he thought he could just outplay Goswser because of the emphasis on multiple drops, trying to pull him out of position, and playing super incredibally safe.

Love how you think you can deduce what Mvp was thinking just because he happens to drop at multiple places. Mentalist is your profession?

There's a reason that the multiple non stop style of drops has sort of fizzed out of styles in exchange for more strategic type of drops.

MVP would just send medivacs despite Goswser having clear vision of everything and the fact that MVP wasn't doing a push at the same time. That style of play is something you do vs players you feel can't handle that, not on the pro level aka.

Couple that with the complete safety that he attempted to play with, as well as the fact that Goswser is unknown probably to most koreans and hasn't hit it big in any international tournaments, and I think it can be assumed more than 50% than MVP would simply try to outplay Goswser in an attempt to win, and I saw evidence of that in game.
Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
January 11 2013 20:34 GMT
#549
On January 12 2013 05:34 Oboeman wrote:
Roach queen nydus is more common, because its faster, but that is still great, especially if he doesn't see the overlords.

where was the banshee that would normally be fussing around at the watchtowers?
or the vikings that he made after scanning the lair? nothing watching the map except the hellions who got chased away, I guess.


I think he cancelled the banshee after scanning and seeing a spore in the main
Team Slayers, Axiom-Acer and Vile forever
prOpSnuffe
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden241 Posts
January 11 2013 20:34 GMT
#550
Starcraft 2: Wings Of Liberty is a lost cause, put this game in the garbage can right now and good luck with HotS instead.
Best starcraft 2 player of all time? INnoVation
gillon
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Sweden1578 Posts
January 11 2013 20:34 GMT
#551
On January 12 2013 05:33 Snowbear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 12 2013 05:32 pigmanbear wrote:
On January 12 2013 05:31 Snowbear wrote:
Haha PERFECT! I want you zergs to spread the word and use this build A LOT. 90% of terrans go hellion banshee, and guess what they don't have around 10:00? AN ARMY. I wonder how long it takes before zergs start using this more, because this really hardcounters every hellion banshee build.

Most hellion banshee builds try and do some damage. MVP just wasn't there for these games, a shame.


If those builds do damage, the zerg made a mistake. Maybe they could do damage a few weeks ago, but now zergs are used to these banshee hellion builds.


Yeah, no amount of skill is gonna get a traditional hellion banshee opening any proper damage without the zerg making mistakes.
www.teamproperty.net | "You should hate losing, but you should never fear defeat." - 이윤열
pigmanbear
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Angola2010 Posts
January 11 2013 20:35 GMT
#552
On January 12 2013 05:33 Snowbear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 12 2013 05:32 pigmanbear wrote:
On January 12 2013 05:31 Snowbear wrote:
Haha PERFECT! I want you zergs to spread the word and use this build A LOT. 90% of terrans go hellion banshee, and guess what they don't have around 10:00? AN ARMY. I wonder how long it takes before zergs start using this more, because this really hardcounters every hellion banshee build.

Most hellion banshee builds try and do some damage. MVP just wasn't there for these games, a shame.


If those builds do damage, the zerg made a mistake.

Well then most zergs make mistakes. See ForGG do this on ladder. 25% of the time he kills the zerg, but at least 50% of the other games he does enough damage to make it worthwhile. For a zerg to make themselves completely bulletproof to this attack would really set them back if the terran greedies.
ShroudeD
Profile Joined August 2012
Greece1333 Posts
January 11 2013 20:35 GMT
#553
On January 12 2013 05:32 Snowbear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 12 2013 05:31 ShroudeD wrote:
On January 12 2013 05:30 Qwerty85 wrote:
That was like 20 + roaches 11min in the game. What build from terran can actually defend this?

Bio lol


Bio? How much bio do you think you can have if you follow your banshee hellion build up with a third CC, double grades, and raxes just finnishing making reactors?

Well when you go bio,you usually don't go for banshees.then you have marines which kill overlords,fast.Then you have bunkers.There
Mvp,Fantasy 4ever
Godwrath
Profile Joined August 2012
Spain10126 Posts
January 11 2013 20:35 GMT
#554
On January 12 2013 05:32 pigmanbear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 12 2013 05:31 Snowbear wrote:
Haha PERFECT! I want you zergs to spread the word and use this build A LOT. 90% of terrans go hellion banshee, and guess what they don't have around 10:00? AN ARMY. I wonder how long it takes before zergs start using this more, because this really hardcounters every hellion banshee build.

Most hellion banshee builds try and do some damage. MVP just wasn't there for these games, a shame.


A month ago or two yep, now they normally just die horribly to aggression in most maps.
Oboeman
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada3980 Posts
January 11 2013 20:35 GMT
#555
On January 12 2013 05:32 Snowbear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 12 2013 05:31 ShroudeD wrote:
On January 12 2013 05:30 Qwerty85 wrote:
That was like 20 + roaches 11min in the game. What build from terran can actually defend this?

Bio lol


Bio? How much bio do you think you can have if you follow your banshee hellion build up with a third CC, double grades, and raxes just finnishing making reactors?


Maybe you don't need to be doing all of those things if zerg doesn't take a 3rd base. consider making units instead.
ES.Genie
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany1370 Posts
January 11 2013 20:35 GMT
#556
On January 12 2013 05:32 gillon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 12 2013 05:25 Schelim wrote:
On January 12 2013 05:23 gillon wrote:
I don't know guys, it simply feels like goswser is a league above Mvp, y'know. Maybe, in the future, he might stand a chance. But as it is right now the sheer discrepancy in skill between the two players is astounding. Goswser is truly displaying true RTS skill that Mvp simply cannot match.

can one be warned for this kind of trolling? serious question. i've been warned for no particular reason several times on here so i don't really get the rules.


What do you mean by trolling? Truly there first two games have demonstrated my point? The sheer dominance displayed.

Goswer best Starcraft 2 player ever.
No Mvp, no care. ~ the King will be back | Shawn Ray, Kevin Levrone, Phil Heath |
Anta
Profile Joined April 2012
Germany434 Posts
January 11 2013 20:36 GMT
#557
On January 12 2013 05:34 Lixo wrote:
I used to play zerg when I did play starcraft 2, 1 year ago, and now all I hope for is zergs losing (except for Nestea).
What is wrong blizzard, why did you do that to us ?

pfffff
"In short: stop bitching, change your tampons and up your game." mad respect to CloudNineLabs.com http://i.imgur.com/g5KGz.jpg ! I love Dreamhack!
n0ise
Profile Joined April 2010
3452 Posts
January 11 2013 20:36 GMT
#558
On January 12 2013 05:35 pigmanbear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 12 2013 05:33 Snowbear wrote:
On January 12 2013 05:32 pigmanbear wrote:
On January 12 2013 05:31 Snowbear wrote:
Haha PERFECT! I want you zergs to spread the word and use this build A LOT. 90% of terrans go hellion banshee, and guess what they don't have around 10:00? AN ARMY. I wonder how long it takes before zergs start using this more, because this really hardcounters every hellion banshee build.

Most hellion banshee builds try and do some damage. MVP just wasn't there for these games, a shame.


If those builds do damage, the zerg made a mistake.

Well then most zergs make mistakes. See ForGG do this on ladder. 25% of the time he kills the zerg, but at least 50% of the other games he does enough damage to make it worthwhile. For a zerg to make themselves completely bulletproof to this attack would really set them back if the terran greedies.


Completely unrelated, but shoutout to ForGG for being able to break people apart with ease and getting more out of his armies than most other terrans. He's quite the master of engagements
kyllinghest
Profile Joined December 2011
Norway1607 Posts
January 11 2013 20:36 GMT
#559
On January 12 2013 05:32 Snowbear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 12 2013 05:31 ShroudeD wrote:
On January 12 2013 05:30 Qwerty85 wrote:
That was like 20 + roaches 11min in the game. What build from terran can actually defend this?

Bio lol


Bio? How much bio do you think you can have if you follow your banshee hellion build up with a third CC, double grades, and raxes just finnishing making reactors?

Hellion banshee provides great scouting if used correctly, obviously you don't make third and double ups when you scout the two-baseing zerg. The best terran in the world didn't play his best, and that gets punished hard when you face the might of the swarm!
"NO" -Has
Oboeman
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada3980 Posts
January 11 2013 20:36 GMT
#560
On January 12 2013 05:34 Bagration wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 12 2013 05:34 Oboeman wrote:
Roach queen nydus is more common, because its faster, but that is still great, especially if he doesn't see the overlords.

where was the banshee that would normally be fussing around at the watchtowers?
or the vikings that he made after scanning the lair? nothing watching the map except the hellions who got chased away, I guess.


I think he cancelled the banshee after scanning and seeing a spore in the main


That's possible. I think he suspected 2 base muta when he saw the lair.
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