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On January 10 2013 22:26 Rhaegar_tar wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2013 22:22 Gevna wrote:On January 10 2013 22:19 Rhaegar_tar wrote:On January 10 2013 22:18 Gevna wrote:On January 10 2013 22:12 Maesy wrote:On January 10 2013 22:10 BoxingKangaroo wrote:On January 10 2013 22:07 Scarecrow wrote:On January 10 2013 22:04 mengsk83 wrote:On January 10 2013 22:01 letian wrote:
Another day of kespa "I don't give a fuck about GSL" Another day of GSL actually being the hardest league in the world Nestea and Huk getting through doesn't say much about it being the hardest. More like the most random (in Up & Downs) with a bunch of bo1's that are hard to prep for. Still, the fact that no Kespa players have yet to make it (despite the hype), has to say something. If it was so random, then you'd expect some of them to make it. Yeah. I don't really understand the argument of them prioritizing team league. They're obviously strongest there and put full attention towards it, but this is where their spotlight in individual SC2 leagues begin. I thought that mattered to every player. They're not going to not try their hardest just because they can wave it off and try again next time. And proleague doesn't even gather all korean teams, so there isn't that much of legitimacy when you win it. Prioritizing SPL in sc2 makes no sense at all, when the most prestigious league is GSL. It makes sense for KESPA player... Maybe you can notice that I'm not a Kespa player, I'm not talking for them just pointing out from my point of view as a viewer, fan etc... that their decision doesn't make much sense. The moment Rain forfeited from code S because of MLG, i thought everyone would've understood that GSL doesn't mean much to KESPA players...why would they "try their very best" in their "enemy's"(by enemy i mean ESF) league more than their own league/tournies?
To crush the ESF players and show that Kespa players are superior?
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On January 10 2013 22:29 Rhaegar_tar wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2013 22:27 Dodgin wrote:On January 10 2013 22:26 Rhaegar_tar wrote:On January 10 2013 22:22 Gevna wrote:On January 10 2013 22:19 Rhaegar_tar wrote:On January 10 2013 22:18 Gevna wrote:On January 10 2013 22:12 Maesy wrote:On January 10 2013 22:10 BoxingKangaroo wrote:On January 10 2013 22:07 Scarecrow wrote:On January 10 2013 22:04 mengsk83 wrote:
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Another day of GSL actually being the hardest league in the world Nestea and Huk getting through doesn't say much about it being the hardest. More like the most random (in Up & Downs) with a bunch of bo1's that are hard to prep for. Still, the fact that no Kespa players have yet to make it (despite the hype), has to say something. If it was so random, then you'd expect some of them to make it. Yeah. I don't really understand the argument of them prioritizing team league. They're obviously strongest there and put full attention towards it, but this is where their spotlight in individual SC2 leagues begin. I thought that mattered to every player. They're not going to not try their hardest just because they can wave it off and try again next time. And proleague doesn't even gather all korean teams, so there isn't that much of legitimacy when you win it. Prioritizing SPL in sc2 makes no sense at all, when the most prestigious league is GSL. It makes sense for KESPA player... Maybe you can notice that I'm not a Kespa player, I'm not talking for them just pointing out from my point of view as a viewer, fan etc... that their decision doesn't make much sense. The moment Rain forfeited from code S because of MLG, i thought everyone would've understood that GSL doesn't mean much to KESPA players...why would they "try their very best" in their "enemy's"(by enemy i mean ESF) league. you know, for fame and money and because players want to be the champion of the best tournament in the world? Kespa players don't give a shit about politics, they just want to play the game. But those players have contracts with Kespa, they can't do whatever they want...
Are you saying Kespa tells them to lose? holy shit LOL
It would be even better for Kespa if their players dominate GSL, it would mean that they have the best players and everyone would want to watch Proleague instead of GSTL. Since the OSL is gone for a while they don't have " their own " individual league to play in.
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Does anyone know where GOM typically posts the maps? I'd like to go ahead and make the template for the wild card group but I don't know what the maps are
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On January 10 2013 22:30 Fragile51 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2013 22:27 vthree wrote:On January 10 2013 22:23 Fragile51 wrote:On January 10 2013 22:19 samurai80 wrote:On January 10 2013 22:04 Fragile51 wrote:On January 10 2013 22:03 DarkLordOlli wrote:On January 10 2013 22:03 Poopi wrote:On January 10 2013 22:01 letian wrote:
Another day of kespa "I don't give a fuck about GSL" They sure give a fuck about GSL. No one will remember you for some 3/4kills in PL if you get crushed in individual league -;-. But he still lives in 10 years ago and thinks PL actually indicates skill or anything You really do hate fun don't you? Every other post i see from you is either shitting on kespa players/proleague or any kind of new innovative map. Sorry but I didn't think so at all. A team league cannot reflect a player's level as well as GSL does, he's right. It's not about him being right, it's about him being overly negative about one of the most entertaining and innovating things in sc2 right now, basically shitting all over the players that work their ass off every week preparing for specific maps and specific matchups and brushes it off as not being as "skillful" as winning a bunch of bo1's in the up and down groups. They are different scenario's, and different kinds of players will thrive in each format. Nothing wrong with preferring one over the other as long as you're not being a negative nancy about it like he is. To be fair. The OP was kinda of negative about GSL and trying to make excuses with Kespa players not caring. I know and i didn't agree with the OP either but it's just that i can't stand people discrediting SPL performances because they aren't played by people they know and is not played on the same old tired mappool we've been seeing for the last year and a half. It's completely nonsensical. In my eyes SPL performance and Up and down performances are equally indicative of a players skill.
I wasn't talking about Up/Downs. I don't think Up/Downs really indicate skill at all.
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On January 10 2013 22:30 ragz_gt wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2013 22:29 Scarecrow wrote:On January 10 2013 22:26 Godwrath wrote:On January 10 2013 22:24 Scarecrow wrote:On January 10 2013 22:22 Anonymous_Coward wrote:
Kespa, your boys have taken one hell of a beating. meh congrats on winning a bunch of bo1's in a terrible format. I doubt the kespa players put in much prep at all for these. I should point you to the OSL lol. Yeah except you have an entire week to prepare for each Bo1 in the OSL. It produces better games and is more reliable in getting the best players through to the BoX's. Wait... are you seriously saying OSL produce better games? Even the most old school fans agree OSL game quality usually not that good, it's the atmosphere and storyline.
Yeah most people prefered MSL's format as far as i know, they felt the OSL format was much more random even though it was the more prestigious tournament.
+ Show Spoiler +Then again that might have just been bisu fangirls skewing the public opinion :p
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On January 10 2013 22:23 Fragile51 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2013 22:19 samurai80 wrote:On January 10 2013 22:04 Fragile51 wrote:On January 10 2013 22:03 DarkLordOlli wrote:On January 10 2013 22:03 Poopi wrote:On January 10 2013 22:01 letian wrote:
Another day of kespa "I don't give a fuck about GSL" They sure give a fuck about GSL. No one will remember you for some 3/4kills in PL if you get crushed in individual league -;-. But he still lives in 10 years ago and thinks PL actually indicates skill or anything You really do hate fun don't you? Every other post i see from you is either shitting on kespa players/proleague or any kind of new innovative map. Sorry but I didn't think so at all. A team league cannot reflect a player's level as well as GSL does, he's right. It's not about him being right, it's about him being overly negative about one of the most entertaining and innovating things in sc2 right now, basically shitting all over the players that work their ass off every week preparing for specific maps and specific matchups and brushes it off as not being as "skillful" as winning a bunch of bo1's in the up and down groups. They are different scenario's, and different kinds of players will thrive in each format. Nothing wrong with preferring one over the other as long as you're not being a negative nancy about it like he is.
No I meant I didn't think he was being too negative. Maybe I did not read all his posts but still.
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On January 10 2013 22:30 ragz_gt wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2013 22:29 Scarecrow wrote:On January 10 2013 22:26 Godwrath wrote:On January 10 2013 22:24 Scarecrow wrote:On January 10 2013 22:22 Anonymous_Coward wrote:
Kespa, your boys have taken one hell of a beating. meh congrats on winning a bunch of bo1's in a terrible format. I doubt the kespa players put in much prep at all for these. I should point you to the OSL lol. Yeah except you have an entire week to prepare for each Bo1 in the OSL. It produces better games and is more reliable in getting the best players through to the BoX's. Wait... are you seriously saying OSL produce better games? Even the most old school fans agree OSL game quality usually not that good, it's the atmosphere and storyline.
The shits that supposed to mean? The ONE SC2 OSL that we've had with a shitty sampling size and players struggling with a hybrid format? Or the multiple BW OSL's that we've had? You can shove it back up your ass if you dare insult BW OSL.
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On January 10 2013 22:29 Rhaegar_tar wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2013 22:27 Dodgin wrote:On January 10 2013 22:26 Rhaegar_tar wrote:On January 10 2013 22:22 Gevna wrote:On January 10 2013 22:19 Rhaegar_tar wrote:On January 10 2013 22:18 Gevna wrote:On January 10 2013 22:12 Maesy wrote:On January 10 2013 22:10 BoxingKangaroo wrote:On January 10 2013 22:07 Scarecrow wrote:On January 10 2013 22:04 mengsk83 wrote:
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Another day of GSL actually being the hardest league in the world Nestea and Huk getting through doesn't say much about it being the hardest. More like the most random (in Up & Downs) with a bunch of bo1's that are hard to prep for. Still, the fact that no Kespa players have yet to make it (despite the hype), has to say something. If it was so random, then you'd expect some of them to make it. Yeah. I don't really understand the argument of them prioritizing team league. They're obviously strongest there and put full attention towards it, but this is where their spotlight in individual SC2 leagues begin. I thought that mattered to every player. They're not going to not try their hardest just because they can wave it off and try again next time. And proleague doesn't even gather all korean teams, so there isn't that much of legitimacy when you win it. Prioritizing SPL in sc2 makes no sense at all, when the most prestigious league is GSL. It makes sense for KESPA player... Maybe you can notice that I'm not a Kespa player, I'm not talking for them just pointing out from my point of view as a viewer, fan etc... that their decision doesn't make much sense. The moment Rain forfeited from code S because of MLG, i thought everyone would've understood that GSL doesn't mean much to KESPA players...why would they "try their very best" in their "enemy's"(by enemy i mean ESF) league. you know, for fame and money and because players want to be the champion of the best tournament in the world? Kespa players don't give a shit about politics, they just want to play the game. But those players have contracts with Kespa, they can't do whatever they want...
Are you saying that Kespa is telling the players to lose in GSL? How does that make sense? It only makes the PL lose 'star' value when some of your best players are losing in U&D. Look, I think everyone gets that Kespa players care about PL more than GSL. But to say they don't give a shit about GSL is just wrong. I am sure the players are trying their best to win.
It is like EG-TL, they will focus on foreign events and some streaming besides practicing for PL. It doesn't mean they don't care about PL.
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On January 10 2013 22:25 Dodgin wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2013 22:23 Caihead wrote:
I think people have this illusion that BW fans like defending Kespa.
We don't. Many of us hate Kespa.
Kespa players on the other hand is a completely different story -_- I'm a " BW " fan and the people who say shit like " kespa players don't try in GSL " is just complete bullshit, of course they are trying. They're just not preparing enough or are not good enough. Those who try hard CAN succeed as shown by Rain and Bogus making the ro4 in the previous two seasons.
You assume "trying" and "preparing" to be different entities?
But yes, of course they do, it is just they play like shit, but on the whole, I agree, they try.
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On January 10 2013 22:28 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2013 22:26 Rhaegar_tar wrote:On January 10 2013 22:22 Gevna wrote:On January 10 2013 22:19 Rhaegar_tar wrote:On January 10 2013 22:18 Gevna wrote:On January 10 2013 22:12 Maesy wrote:On January 10 2013 22:10 BoxingKangaroo wrote:On January 10 2013 22:07 Scarecrow wrote:On January 10 2013 22:04 mengsk83 wrote:On January 10 2013 22:01 letian wrote:
Another day of kespa "I don't give a fuck about GSL" Another day of GSL actually being the hardest league in the world Nestea and Huk getting through doesn't say much about it being the hardest. More like the most random (in Up & Downs) with a bunch of bo1's that are hard to prep for. Still, the fact that no Kespa players have yet to make it (despite the hype), has to say something. If it was so random, then you'd expect some of them to make it. Yeah. I don't really understand the argument of them prioritizing team league. They're obviously strongest there and put full attention towards it, but this is where their spotlight in individual SC2 leagues begin. I thought that mattered to every player. They're not going to not try their hardest just because they can wave it off and try again next time. And proleague doesn't even gather all korean teams, so there isn't that much of legitimacy when you win it. Prioritizing SPL in sc2 makes no sense at all, when the most prestigious league is GSL. It makes sense for KESPA player... Maybe you can notice that I'm not a Kespa player, I'm not talking for them just pointing out from my point of view as a viewer, fan etc... that their decision doesn't make much sense. The moment Rain forfeited from code S because of MLG, i thought everyone would've understood that GSL doesn't mean much to KESPA players...why would they "try their very best" in their "enemy's"(by enemy i mean ESF) league. $$$$$ prestige as well. In fact, why wouldn't you try in your enemy's territory? Wtf, winning their league, in their home, is even more insulting than not trying if it's a rivalry thing.
He is just making shit up to argue that Fantasy didnt try hard enough to get into code s because its the enemy league (lol wtf haha), not because he played bad. Kespa players have openly stated that more individual leagues is better for them as well and he seems to be ignoring that.
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On January 10 2013 22:26 Rhaegar_tar wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2013 22:22 Gevna wrote:On January 10 2013 22:19 Rhaegar_tar wrote:On January 10 2013 22:18 Gevna wrote:On January 10 2013 22:12 Maesy wrote:On January 10 2013 22:10 BoxingKangaroo wrote:On January 10 2013 22:07 Scarecrow wrote:On January 10 2013 22:04 mengsk83 wrote:On January 10 2013 22:01 letian wrote:
Another day of kespa "I don't give a fuck about GSL" Another day of GSL actually being the hardest league in the world Nestea and Huk getting through doesn't say much about it being the hardest. More like the most random (in Up & Downs) with a bunch of bo1's that are hard to prep for. Still, the fact that no Kespa players have yet to make it (despite the hype), has to say something. If it was so random, then you'd expect some of them to make it. Yeah. I don't really understand the argument of them prioritizing team league. They're obviously strongest there and put full attention towards it, but this is where their spotlight in individual SC2 leagues begin. I thought that mattered to every player. They're not going to not try their hardest just because they can wave it off and try again next time. And proleague doesn't even gather all korean teams, so there isn't that much of legitimacy when you win it. Prioritizing SPL in sc2 makes no sense at all, when the most prestigious league is GSL. It makes sense for KESPA player... Maybe you can notice that I'm not a Kespa player, I'm not talking for them just pointing out from my point of view as a viewer, fan etc... that their decision doesn't make much sense. The moment Rain forfeited from code S because of MLG, i thought everyone would've understood that GSL doesn't mean much to KESPA players...why would they "try their very best" in their "enemy's"(by enemy i mean ESF) league more than their own league/tournies?
Because they are fucking competitors lol?
Because they were supposed to be better at BW than the eSF players, and now that both are on sc2 they are supposed to beat them? Like koreans were supposed to be better than foreigners so when the first koreans participated in overseas tourneys they had the incentive to do well, because ffs they were koreans competing against foreigners?
He forfeited his seed because of MLG yeah, but remember that KesPA is in contract with MLG. And forfeiting the GSL only to lose and finish like 10th place (maybe higher I don't remember but it wasn't top 4) doesn't make you look good.
I am pretty sure they take GSL seriously.
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i say this prioritization theory is bullshit, every player will try their hardest to play their best at whatever event, pride means more than it looks, also, bo1 is terrible but acceptable as OSL is aired on TV
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THIS IS DEFINITELY NOT HOW I EXPECTED THIS GROUP TO GO LOL
WHAT THE HUK???
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NesTea and HuK. It was a good day.
I would have liked finale getting the wildcard spot, but you can't get everything you ask for, huh?
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so statistically protoss is the most underpowered race of all time right now, TT. hopefully our protoss heros can do some work in the ro32
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if any zerg advances tomorrow, it will be the first time that terran is not the race with most players in code S ever.
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One thing is for shure, this Code S season will be absolutely amazing.
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On January 10 2013 22:29 Scarecrow wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2013 22:26 Godwrath wrote:On January 10 2013 22:24 Scarecrow wrote:On January 10 2013 22:22 Anonymous_Coward wrote:
Kespa, your boys have taken one hell of a beating. meh congrats on winning a bunch of bo1's in a terrible format. I doubt the kespa players put in much prep at all for these. I should point you to the OSL lol. Yeah except you have an entire week to prepare for each Bo1 in the OSL. It produces better games and is more reliable in getting the best players through to the BoX's. Also 2/4 not 2/6.
And this is only Code A qualifiers for code S, and not Code S itself. You are speaking about bo1's being a terrible format, but defending another horrible Bo1 system which produced really shitty games overall. You are biased, and that's ok man, but don't expect people to agree with you or not pick into your negative and biased feedback.
Edit - I hate Huk more now than ever. My precious liquidbets....
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On January 10 2013 22:34 X3GoldDot wrote:
i say this prioritization theory is bullshit, every player will try their hardest to play their best at whatever event, pride means more than it looks, also, bo1 is terrible but acceptable as OSL is aired on TV
Yea, but time allocation matters. A player has priorities. Trying the hardest while using 10% of your time vs using 90% of your time is a big fucking difference. No one is throwing games, but it's obvious when someone isn't spending enough time preparing for something. BW quality in hybrid proleague fell down to shit because players allocated the vast majority of time to SC2, if you don't have enough time then your training regiment and the type of play you are likely to do is vastly different. Has nothing to do with "trying hard enough" or "intentionally throwing a match". This isn't a conspiracy theory.
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