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On January 10 2013 22:26 Rhaegar_tar wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2013 22:22 Gevna wrote:On January 10 2013 22:19 Rhaegar_tar wrote:On January 10 2013 22:18 Gevna wrote:On January 10 2013 22:12 Maesy wrote:On January 10 2013 22:10 BoxingKangaroo wrote:On January 10 2013 22:07 Scarecrow wrote:On January 10 2013 22:04 mengsk83 wrote:On January 10 2013 22:01 letian wrote:
Another day of kespa "I don't give a fuck about GSL" Another day of GSL actually being the hardest league in the world Nestea and Huk getting through doesn't say much about it being the hardest. More like the most random (in Up & Downs) with a bunch of bo1's that are hard to prep for. Still, the fact that no Kespa players have yet to make it (despite the hype), has to say something. If it was so random, then you'd expect some of them to make it. Yeah. I don't really understand the argument of them prioritizing team league. They're obviously strongest there and put full attention towards it, but this is where their spotlight in individual SC2 leagues begin. I thought that mattered to every player. They're not going to not try their hardest just because they can wave it off and try again next time. And proleague doesn't even gather all korean teams, so there isn't that much of legitimacy when you win it. Prioritizing SPL in sc2 makes no sense at all, when the most prestigious league is GSL. It makes sense for KESPA player... Maybe you can notice that I'm not a Kespa player, I'm not talking for them just pointing out from my point of view as a viewer, fan etc... that their decision doesn't make much sense. The moment Rain forfeited from code S because of MLG, i thought everyone would've understood that GSL doesn't mean much to KESPA players...why would they "try their very best" in their "enemy's"(by enemy i mean ESF) league.
you know, for fame and money and because players want to be the champion of the best tournament in the world? Kespa players don't give a shit about politics, they just want to play the game.
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On January 10 2013 22:25 739 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2013 22:25 Yello wrote:On January 10 2013 22:24 Shellshock1122 wrote:Poll: Is the KeSPA Up and Down curse real?yes (40) 82% no (9) 18% 49 total votes Your vote: Is the KeSPA Up and Down curse real? (Vote): yes
(Vote): no
nope, the better players win. Soon enough we will see Kespa-players playing good enough to actually advance from the Up&Downs. How can You call anyone better player in bo1 format?
Because they play better and win more?
Of course Bo1 is not as meaningful as a Bo7 but there's still some meaning to it or else Proleague and the last OSL would be completely pointless.
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And as I said after Group A, Flash is the only player with 3 wins in Up&Down matches that didn't even get Wild Card group. 
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Good news: At least one Zerg will be eliminated in U&D.
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On January 10 2013 22:26 LittLeD wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2013 22:24 Scarecrow wrote:On January 10 2013 22:22 Anonymous_Coward wrote:
Kespa, your boys have taken one hell of a beating. meh congrats on winning a bunch of bo1's in a terrible format. I doubt the kespa players put in much prep at all for these. Haha wow. Some people here are so mad. Just accept your elephants weren't quite up to the task and leave it at that. Code A will be tight though, TIGHT TIGHT TIGHT.
People are upset that their favorite player didn't win. Has nothing, nothing to do with Kespa, both of you should take that shit out of here. Notice that no one is upset that flying didn't make it. Everyone is upset that Fantasy didn't make it. It's player dependent.
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On January 10 2013 22:26 LittLeD wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2013 22:24 Scarecrow wrote:On January 10 2013 22:22 Anonymous_Coward wrote:
Kespa, your boys have taken one hell of a beating. meh congrats on winning a bunch of bo1's in a terrible format. I doubt the kespa players put in much prep at all for these. Haha wow. Some people here are so mad. Just accept your elephants weren't quite up to the task and leave it at that. Code A will be tight though, TIGHT TIGHT TIGHT.
Especially since these are the same guys that put pro league and OSL on the olymp of esports, while both of them having way more Bo1 rounds... ^_^
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haha gratz huk xD nice to see you back
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Congrats Huk! Didn't think he'd have a chance honestly, but glad he proved me wrong!
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On January 10 2013 22:26 Rhaegar_tar wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2013 22:22 Gevna wrote:On January 10 2013 22:19 Rhaegar_tar wrote:On January 10 2013 22:18 Gevna wrote:On January 10 2013 22:12 Maesy wrote:On January 10 2013 22:10 BoxingKangaroo wrote:On January 10 2013 22:07 Scarecrow wrote:On January 10 2013 22:04 mengsk83 wrote:On January 10 2013 22:01 letian wrote:
Another day of kespa "I don't give a fuck about GSL" Another day of GSL actually being the hardest league in the world Nestea and Huk getting through doesn't say much about it being the hardest. More like the most random (in Up & Downs) with a bunch of bo1's that are hard to prep for. Still, the fact that no Kespa players have yet to make it (despite the hype), has to say something. If it was so random, then you'd expect some of them to make it. Yeah. I don't really understand the argument of them prioritizing team league. They're obviously strongest there and put full attention towards it, but this is where their spotlight in individual SC2 leagues begin. I thought that mattered to every player. They're not going to not try their hardest just because they can wave it off and try again next time. And proleague doesn't even gather all korean teams, so there isn't that much of legitimacy when you win it. Prioritizing SPL in sc2 makes no sense at all, when the most prestigious league is GSL. It makes sense for KESPA player... Maybe you can notice that I'm not a Kespa player, I'm not talking for them just pointing out from my point of view as a viewer, fan etc... that their decision doesn't make much sense. The moment Rain forfeited from code S because of MLG, i thought everyone would've understood that GSL doesn't mean much to KESPA players...why would they "try their very best" in their "enemy's"(by enemy i mean ESF) league more than their own league/tournies?
Because they are professional gamers? That is like saying EG-TL isn't trying their best in PL...
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On January 10 2013 22:26 Rhaegar_tar wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2013 22:22 Gevna wrote:On January 10 2013 22:19 Rhaegar_tar wrote:On January 10 2013 22:18 Gevna wrote:On January 10 2013 22:12 Maesy wrote:On January 10 2013 22:10 BoxingKangaroo wrote:On January 10 2013 22:07 Scarecrow wrote:On January 10 2013 22:04 mengsk83 wrote:On January 10 2013 22:01 letian wrote:
Another day of kespa "I don't give a fuck about GSL" Another day of GSL actually being the hardest league in the world Nestea and Huk getting through doesn't say much about it being the hardest. More like the most random (in Up & Downs) with a bunch of bo1's that are hard to prep for. Still, the fact that no Kespa players have yet to make it (despite the hype), has to say something. If it was so random, then you'd expect some of them to make it. Yeah. I don't really understand the argument of them prioritizing team league. They're obviously strongest there and put full attention towards it, but this is where their spotlight in individual SC2 leagues begin. I thought that mattered to every player. They're not going to not try their hardest just because they can wave it off and try again next time. And proleague doesn't even gather all korean teams, so there isn't that much of legitimacy when you win it. Prioritizing SPL in sc2 makes no sense at all, when the most prestigious league is GSL. It makes sense for KESPA player... Maybe you can notice that I'm not a Kespa player, I'm not talking for them just pointing out from my point of view as a viewer, fan etc... that their decision doesn't make much sense. The moment Rain forfeited from code S because of MLG, i thought everyone would've understood that GSL doesn't mean much to KESPA players...why would they "try their very best" in their "enemy's"(by enemy i mean ESF) league.
$$$$$
prestige as well. In fact, why wouldn't you try in your enemy's territory? Wtf, winning their league, in their home, is even more insulting than not trying if it's a rivalry thing.
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On January 10 2013 22:23 Fragile51 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2013 22:19 samurai80 wrote:On January 10 2013 22:04 Fragile51 wrote:On January 10 2013 22:03 DarkLordOlli wrote:On January 10 2013 22:03 Poopi wrote:On January 10 2013 22:01 letian wrote:
Another day of kespa "I don't give a fuck about GSL" They sure give a fuck about GSL. No one will remember you for some 3/4kills in PL if you get crushed in individual league -;-. But he still lives in 10 years ago and thinks PL actually indicates skill or anything You really do hate fun don't you? Every other post i see from you is either shitting on kespa players/proleague or any kind of new innovative map. Sorry but I didn't think so at all. A team league cannot reflect a player's level as well as GSL does, he's right. It's not about him being right, it's about him being overly negative about one of the most entertaining and innovating things in sc2 right now, basically shitting all over the players that work their ass off every week preparing for specific maps and specific matchups and brushes it off as not being as "skillful" as winning a bunch of bo1's in the up and down groups. They are different scenario's, and different kinds of players will thrive in each format. Nothing wrong with preferring one over the other as long as you're not being a negative nancy about it like he is.
I love watching PL, it's certainly fun and we get to see some fresh stuff but people arguing that Kespa players are superior based on PL results are annoying. Nowhere in my post did I say anything about them being bad. I'm arguing that they're extremely overhyped based on results that shouldn't be held as high from a more rational point of view. And somehow magically, there's only a handful kespa players who are performing decently outside of PL.
I like watching PL more right now too, nothing to do with that.
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On January 10 2013 22:27 Dodgin wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2013 22:26 Rhaegar_tar wrote:On January 10 2013 22:22 Gevna wrote:On January 10 2013 22:19 Rhaegar_tar wrote:On January 10 2013 22:18 Gevna wrote:On January 10 2013 22:12 Maesy wrote:On January 10 2013 22:10 BoxingKangaroo wrote:On January 10 2013 22:07 Scarecrow wrote:On January 10 2013 22:04 mengsk83 wrote:On January 10 2013 22:01 letian wrote:
Another day of kespa "I don't give a fuck about GSL" Another day of GSL actually being the hardest league in the world Nestea and Huk getting through doesn't say much about it being the hardest. More like the most random (in Up & Downs) with a bunch of bo1's that are hard to prep for. Still, the fact that no Kespa players have yet to make it (despite the hype), has to say something. If it was so random, then you'd expect some of them to make it. Yeah. I don't really understand the argument of them prioritizing team league. They're obviously strongest there and put full attention towards it, but this is where their spotlight in individual SC2 leagues begin. I thought that mattered to every player. They're not going to not try their hardest just because they can wave it off and try again next time. And proleague doesn't even gather all korean teams, so there isn't that much of legitimacy when you win it. Prioritizing SPL in sc2 makes no sense at all, when the most prestigious league is GSL. It makes sense for KESPA player... Maybe you can notice that I'm not a Kespa player, I'm not talking for them just pointing out from my point of view as a viewer, fan etc... that their decision doesn't make much sense. The moment Rain forfeited from code S because of MLG, i thought everyone would've understood that GSL doesn't mean much to KESPA players...why would they "try their very best" in their "enemy's"(by enemy i mean ESF) league. you know, for fame and money and because players want to be the champion of the best tournament in the world? Kespa players don't give a shit about politics, they just want to play the game.
But those players have contracts with Kespa, they can't do whatever they want...
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On January 10 2013 22:27 Ch3rry wrote:And as I said after Group A, Flash is the only player with 3 wins in Up&Down matches that didn't even get Wild Card group.
First could have gotten 3 wins if his last match had been played.
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On January 10 2013 22:26 Godwrath wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2013 22:24 Scarecrow wrote:On January 10 2013 22:22 Anonymous_Coward wrote:
Kespa, your boys have taken one hell of a beating. meh congrats on winning a bunch of bo1's in a terrible format. I doubt the kespa players put in much prep at all for these. I should point you to the OSL lol.
Yeah except you have an entire week to prepare for each Bo1 in the OSL. It produces better games and is more reliable in getting the best players through to the BoX's. Also 2/4 not 2/6.
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On January 10 2013 22:26 Fragile51 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2013 22:25 Hopelessnoob wrote:
Wait... 2 people get out?...
oh Polt's slot + 1 empty slot right? Polt's slot was taken by stephano, tomorrow will decide the last 2 players that make code S.
err... well haha its the same thing. :D
sad that naniwa was not seeded though...
i Think GOM wants to force him to try Code A qualifers at least 1 once since the time he was knocked out before giving him the seed.
I also feel that it is great GOM is giving so many foreigners chances to get into GSL, They know that KESPA is going to catch up with them and they will catch up very soon, so they try to attrect views by getting more foreigners in
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On January 10 2013 22:29 Scarecrow wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2013 22:26 Godwrath wrote:On January 10 2013 22:24 Scarecrow wrote:On January 10 2013 22:22 Anonymous_Coward wrote:
Kespa, your boys have taken one hell of a beating. meh congrats on winning a bunch of bo1's in a terrible format. I doubt the kespa players put in much prep at all for these. I should point you to the OSL lol. Yeah except you have an entire week to prepare for each Bo1 in the OSL. It produces better games and is more reliable in getting the best players through to the BoX's. Also 2/4 not 2/6.
not necessarily. The first sc2 osl was fucking awful imo.
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On January 10 2013 22:27 vthree wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2013 22:23 Fragile51 wrote:On January 10 2013 22:19 samurai80 wrote:On January 10 2013 22:04 Fragile51 wrote:On January 10 2013 22:03 DarkLordOlli wrote:On January 10 2013 22:03 Poopi wrote:On January 10 2013 22:01 letian wrote:
Another day of kespa "I don't give a fuck about GSL" They sure give a fuck about GSL. No one will remember you for some 3/4kills in PL if you get crushed in individual league -;-. But he still lives in 10 years ago and thinks PL actually indicates skill or anything You really do hate fun don't you? Every other post i see from you is either shitting on kespa players/proleague or any kind of new innovative map. Sorry but I didn't think so at all. A team league cannot reflect a player's level as well as GSL does, he's right. It's not about him being right, it's about him being overly negative about one of the most entertaining and innovating things in sc2 right now, basically shitting all over the players that work their ass off every week preparing for specific maps and specific matchups and brushes it off as not being as "skillful" as winning a bunch of bo1's in the up and down groups. They are different scenario's, and different kinds of players will thrive in each format. Nothing wrong with preferring one over the other as long as you're not being a negative nancy about it like he is. To be fair. The OP was kinda of negative about GSL and trying to make excuses with Kespa players not caring.
I know and i didn't agree with the OP either but it's just that i can't stand people discrediting SPL performances because they aren't played by people they know and is not played on the same old tired mappool we've been seeing for the last year and a half. It's completely nonsensical. In my eyes SPL performance and Up and down performances are equally indicative of a players skill.
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On January 10 2013 22:29 Scarecrow wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2013 22:26 Godwrath wrote:On January 10 2013 22:24 Scarecrow wrote:On January 10 2013 22:22 Anonymous_Coward wrote:
Kespa, your boys have taken one hell of a beating. meh congrats on winning a bunch of bo1's in a terrible format. I doubt the kespa players put in much prep at all for these. I should point you to the OSL lol. Yeah except you have an entire week to prepare for each Bo1 in the OSL. It produces better games and is more reliable in getting the best players through to the BoX's.
Wait... are you seriously saying OSL produce better games? Even the most old school fans agree OSL game quality usually not that good, it's the atmosphere and storyline.
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Too bad about Fantasy, hope Jaedong can code S it at least. Surprised by Huk and Nestea for sure, great!
The players in proleague need to make an appeal, map wise to have consistency between proleague and ESL events. It's kind of ridiculous to have to prepare for twice the set of maps. I'm sure it's not this bad, but I'm sure it's comparable to playing on clay court & grass court in tennis intermittently.
The only reason I feel this is an important factor is because as demonstrated in proleague, EG-TL is taking losses against KESPA teams. The only exception to this is Taeja who did make it to Code S, I don't recall if someone else made it.
Also, isn't Stephano in the wild card groups, or does he get free code S?
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