On January 09 2013 02:08 Dr.Sin wrote: Poor Grubby . Was cheering for him to win. Would it be possible to have TL recruit Grubby? He'd do really well in the lab.
Isn't the lab more EG? And I think Grubby is doing well with his own team/brand. But I think he could probably work something out with EG if that is what he wants.
On January 08 2013 22:31 Darkshark wrote: Well at least he was smiling after his lose. I hope, he doesn't take the 0:5 too serious. I really hope that he will imrpve a lot in Korea and comes back strong.
There is no coming back. Most fan favourite foreigners are just too old and not good enough to endure the same training that the countless players from esf/kespa do. When the korean players also prepare for a few specific people on known maps, i cant just see any foreigner winning. Maybe Stephano (under 20 years, and quite talented) has a slight chance to make an impact in GSL/SPL, but i really doubt that EG can provide the necessary training enviroment.
even stephano will have a hard time in gsl! i think i remeber him telling in an interview that he likes tournaments like MLG, IPL etc. more coz people cant prepare that much than. but in code s he will meet alot of top tier players that are prepared for his playstyle...
Yeah, it should be very hard for him to win games. I am really looking forward to see him play in GSL/SPL. (not a fanboy, just curiosity)
This "people will prepare for his style and crush him" argument is silly and quite old if you ask me. Stephano was the pioneer of ZvT and ZvP style for months/years, and noone figured it out(i remember Parting-Hero-MC saying pre-interview in some tournies that they made specific builds to counter Stephano but still got crushed), besides Stephano said he'll be more serious in his practice regime...
Mana got out of his up&downs group, Naniwa made it to ro8 twice, Stephano is more thann capable to do better.
You can't really claim an argument is silly and quite old and then imply that Stephano doesn't have a good practice regime. It's well known that Stephano just doesn't like the pressure of being favored in a match and just plays it off saying, oh I didn't practice, haven't played all week, etc etc. It works for him, and that's fine, but if you actually start believing Stephano doesn't practice, you're really gone off the deep end. He masses games as much as the next progamer. His practice regime is just fine.
I agree with this. Yeah he didn't practice much before WCS and still won, so? HerO hardly played any games at all before NASL and still won with arguably way harder competition so I wouldn't be surprised if that's similar for lots of players. Stephano practices just as much as others, he just doesn't prepare for specific opponents and that's something he's always said and that I actually do believe. It shows in his play. But what else shows in his play is that he does practice a lot.
What makes you think he practices as much as others? He says he doesn't. Most pro/caster agree with this statement. His accounts show very little practice. Of course you can say that everyone is lying to us and he has a secret account that nobody ever heard of, but that seems very unlikely to me.
Actually most players have secret smurf accounts, most of them barcodes. I'd be 0% surprised if Stephano had one.
You use your gut feeling and not facts. You are right to say that he may have one barcode account, but don't state he has one as a fact.
On January 08 2013 22:31 Darkshark wrote: Well at least he was smiling after his lose. I hope, he doesn't take the 0:5 too serious. I really hope that he will imrpve a lot in Korea and comes back strong.
There is no coming back. Most fan favourite foreigners are just too old and not good enough to endure the same training that the countless players from esf/kespa do. When the korean players also prepare for a few specific people on known maps, i cant just see any foreigner winning. Maybe Stephano (under 20 years, and quite talented) has a slight chance to make an impact in GSL/SPL, but i really doubt that EG can provide the necessary training enviroment.
even stephano will have a hard time in gsl! i think i remeber him telling in an interview that he likes tournaments like MLG, IPL etc. more coz people cant prepare that much than. but in code s he will meet alot of top tier players that are prepared for his playstyle...
Yeah, it should be very hard for him to win games. I am really looking forward to see him play in GSL/SPL. (not a fanboy, just curiosity)
This "people will prepare for his style and crush him" argument is silly and quite old if you ask me. Stephano was the pioneer of ZvT and ZvP style for months/years, and noone figured it out(i remember Parting-Hero-MC saying pre-interview in some tournies that they made specific builds to counter Stephano but still got crushed), besides Stephano said he'll be more serious in his practice regime...
Mana got out of his up&downs group, Naniwa made it to ro8 twice, Stephano is more thann capable to do better.
You can't really claim an argument is silly and quite old and then imply that Stephano doesn't have a good practice regime. It's well known that Stephano just doesn't like the pressure of being favored in a match and just plays it off saying, oh I didn't practice, haven't played all week, etc etc. It works for him, and that's fine, but if you actually start believing Stephano doesn't practice, you're really gone off the deep end. He masses games as much as the next progamer. His practice regime is just fine.
I agree with this. Yeah he didn't practice much before WCS and still won, so? HerO hardly played any games at all before NASL and still won with arguably way harder competition so I wouldn't be surprised if that's similar for lots of players. Stephano practices just as much as others, he just doesn't prepare for specific opponents and that's something he's always said and that I actually do believe. It shows in his play. But what else shows in his play is that he does practice a lot.
What makes you think he practices as much as others? He says he doesn't. Most pro/caster agree with this statement. His accounts show very little practice. Of course you can say that everyone is lying to us and he has a secret account that nobody ever heard of, but that seems very unlikely to me.
Actually no. Most pro's know he practices. The casters love blowing it up for dramatic effect, but most should know better. Edit: Hell, you can tell from his slump late November when he was playing tournaments/traveling too much. If normally he doesn't practice normally, you'd expect him to improve with a heavy tournament schedule, not vice versa..
Then again, where does your "most pros know he practices" comes from, except from your imagination? His former teammates said he was practicing like 3 or 4 hours and not every days. Same when he was in EG as a guest.
On January 09 2013 02:08 Dr.Sin wrote: Poor Grubby . Was cheering for him to win. Would it be possible to have TL recruit Grubby? He'd do really well in the lab.
Grubby has stated several times he doesn't want to be in a team, so unless that has changed it's not gonna happen. he's currently staying and practicing at the FXO house though, not exactly bad either.
Well, another day to sober up in the foreign starcraft 2 scene, where we realize that the vast majority of our "esport" heros are no match against the passion and dedication their Korean counterparts are approaching the game. Maybe we really should switch to a game with a low mechanical ceiling, where the relentless drive and overwhelming enthusiasm to grind practice games hours after hours do not make you that much better of a player. :-(
(and no, definitely NOT blaming everything on Grubby's performance today, but on the vast amount of Korean dominated tournaments e.g. TSL 4)
On January 09 2013 02:30 JustPassingBy wrote: Well, another day to sober up in the foreign starcraft 2 scene, where we realize that the vast majority of our "esport" heros are no match against the passion and dedication their Korean counterparts are approaching the game. Maybe we really should switch to a game with a low mechanical ceiling, where the relentless drive and overwhelming enthusiasm to grind practice games hours after hours do not make you that much better of a player. :-(
(and no, definitely NOT blaming everything on Grubby's performance today, but on the vast amount of Korean dominated tournaments e.g. TSL 4)
Well GOM was advertising ZooZooBubble pretty hardcore so maybe we can have the first GZZBL champion be a foreigner
On January 08 2013 22:31 Darkshark wrote: Well at least he was smiling after his lose. I hope, he doesn't take the 0:5 too serious. I really hope that he will imrpve a lot in Korea and comes back strong.
There is no coming back. Most fan favourite foreigners are just too old and not good enough to endure the same training that the countless players from esf/kespa do. When the korean players also prepare for a few specific people on known maps, i cant just see any foreigner winning. Maybe Stephano (under 20 years, and quite talented) has a slight chance to make an impact in GSL/SPL, but i really doubt that EG can provide the necessary training enviroment.
even stephano will have a hard time in gsl! i think i remeber him telling in an interview that he likes tournaments like MLG, IPL etc. more coz people cant prepare that much than. but in code s he will meet alot of top tier players that are prepared for his playstyle...
Yeah, it should be very hard for him to win games. I am really looking forward to see him play in GSL/SPL. (not a fanboy, just curiosity)
This "people will prepare for his style and crush him" argument is silly and quite old if you ask me. Stephano was the pioneer of ZvT and ZvP style for months/years, and noone figured it out(i remember Parting-Hero-MC saying pre-interview in some tournies that they made specific builds to counter Stephano but still got crushed), besides Stephano said he'll be more serious in his practice regime...
Mana got out of his up&downs group, Naniwa made it to ro8 twice, Stephano is more thann capable to do better.
You can't really claim an argument is silly and quite old and then imply that Stephano doesn't have a good practice regime. It's well known that Stephano just doesn't like the pressure of being favored in a match and just plays it off saying, oh I didn't practice, haven't played all week, etc etc. It works for him, and that's fine, but if you actually start believing Stephano doesn't practice, you're really gone off the deep end. He masses games as much as the next progamer. His practice regime is just fine.
I agree with this. Yeah he didn't practice much before WCS and still won, so? HerO hardly played any games at all before NASL and still won with arguably way harder competition so I wouldn't be surprised if that's similar for lots of players. Stephano practices just as much as others, he just doesn't prepare for specific opponents and that's something he's always said and that I actually do believe. It shows in his play. But what else shows in his play is that he does practice a lot.
What makes you think he practices as much as others? He says he doesn't. Most pro/caster agree with this statement. His accounts show very little practice. Of course you can say that everyone is lying to us and he has a secret account that nobody ever heard of, but that seems very unlikely to me.
Actually most players have secret smurf accounts, most of them barcodes. I'd be 0% surprised if Stephano had one.
You use your gut feeling and not facts. You are right to say that he may have one barcode account, but don't state he has one as a fact.
He doesn't, at all. The part about most pro players having a smurf account pretty much is a fact. The other part concerns his expectations.
On January 08 2013 22:31 Darkshark wrote: Well at least he was smiling after his lose. I hope, he doesn't take the 0:5 too serious. I really hope that he will imrpve a lot in Korea and comes back strong.
There is no coming back. Most fan favourite foreigners are just too old and not good enough to endure the same training that the countless players from esf/kespa do. When the korean players also prepare for a few specific people on known maps, i cant just see any foreigner winning. Maybe Stephano (under 20 years, and quite talented) has a slight chance to make an impact in GSL/SPL, but i really doubt that EG can provide the necessary training enviroment.
even stephano will have a hard time in gsl! i think i remeber him telling in an interview that he likes tournaments like MLG, IPL etc. more coz people cant prepare that much than. but in code s he will meet alot of top tier players that are prepared for his playstyle...
Yeah, it should be very hard for him to win games. I am really looking forward to see him play in GSL/SPL. (not a fanboy, just curiosity)
This "people will prepare for his style and crush him" argument is silly and quite old if you ask me. Stephano was the pioneer of ZvT and ZvP style for months/years, and noone figured it out(i remember Parting-Hero-MC saying pre-interview in some tournies that they made specific builds to counter Stephano but still got crushed), besides Stephano said he'll be more serious in his practice regime...
Mana got out of his up&downs group, Naniwa made it to ro8 twice, Stephano is more thann capable to do better.
You can't really claim an argument is silly and quite old and then imply that Stephano doesn't have a good practice regime. It's well known that Stephano just doesn't like the pressure of being favored in a match and just plays it off saying, oh I didn't practice, haven't played all week, etc etc. It works for him, and that's fine, but if you actually start believing Stephano doesn't practice, you're really gone off the deep end. He masses games as much as the next progamer. His practice regime is just fine.
I agree with this. Yeah he didn't practice much before WCS and still won, so? HerO hardly played any games at all before NASL and still won with arguably way harder competition so I wouldn't be surprised if that's similar for lots of players. Stephano practices just as much as others, he just doesn't prepare for specific opponents and that's something he's always said and that I actually do believe. It shows in his play. But what else shows in his play is that he does practice a lot.
What makes you think he practices as much as others? He says he doesn't. Most pro/caster agree with this statement. His accounts show very little practice. Of course you can say that everyone is lying to us and he has a secret account that nobody ever heard of, but that seems very unlikely to me.
Actually most players have secret smurf accounts, most of them barcodes. I'd be 0% surprised if Stephano had one.
You use your gut feeling and not facts. You are right to say that he may have one barcode account, but don't state he has one as a fact.
On January 08 2013 22:31 Darkshark wrote: Well at least he was smiling after his lose. I hope, he doesn't take the 0:5 too serious. I really hope that he will imrpve a lot in Korea and comes back strong.
There is no coming back. Most fan favourite foreigners are just too old and not good enough to endure the same training that the countless players from esf/kespa do. When the korean players also prepare for a few specific people on known maps, i cant just see any foreigner winning. Maybe Stephano (under 20 years, and quite talented) has a slight chance to make an impact in GSL/SPL, but i really doubt that EG can provide the necessary training enviroment.
even stephano will have a hard time in gsl! i think i remeber him telling in an interview that he likes tournaments like MLG, IPL etc. more coz people cant prepare that much than. but in code s he will meet alot of top tier players that are prepared for his playstyle...
Yeah, it should be very hard for him to win games. I am really looking forward to see him play in GSL/SPL. (not a fanboy, just curiosity)
This "people will prepare for his style and crush him" argument is silly and quite old if you ask me. Stephano was the pioneer of ZvT and ZvP style for months/years, and noone figured it out(i remember Parting-Hero-MC saying pre-interview in some tournies that they made specific builds to counter Stephano but still got crushed), besides Stephano said he'll be more serious in his practice regime...
Mana got out of his up&downs group, Naniwa made it to ro8 twice, Stephano is more thann capable to do better.
You can't really claim an argument is silly and quite old and then imply that Stephano doesn't have a good practice regime. It's well known that Stephano just doesn't like the pressure of being favored in a match and just plays it off saying, oh I didn't practice, haven't played all week, etc etc. It works for him, and that's fine, but if you actually start believing Stephano doesn't practice, you're really gone off the deep end. He masses games as much as the next progamer. His practice regime is just fine.
I agree with this. Yeah he didn't practice much before WCS and still won, so? HerO hardly played any games at all before NASL and still won with arguably way harder competition so I wouldn't be surprised if that's similar for lots of players. Stephano practices just as much as others, he just doesn't prepare for specific opponents and that's something he's always said and that I actually do believe. It shows in his play. But what else shows in his play is that he does practice a lot.
What makes you think he practices as much as others? He says he doesn't. Most pro/caster agree with this statement. His accounts show very little practice. Of course you can say that everyone is lying to us and he has a secret account that nobody ever heard of, but that seems very unlikely to me.
Actually no. Most pro's know he practices. The casters love blowing it up for dramatic effect, but most should know better. Edit: Hell, you can tell from his slump late November when he was playing tournaments/traveling too much. If normally he doesn't practice normally, you'd expect him to improve with a heavy tournament schedule, not vice versa..
Then again, where does your "most pros know he practices" comes from, except from your imagination? His former teammates said he was practicing like 3 or 4 hours and not every days. Same when he was in EG as a guest.
Uh, it has come up in conversations I've had with them. More importantly I'm kind of puzzled you're asking for some kind of proof after you made the claim in the first place. You're the one that stated "Most pro/caster agree with this statement". I personally don't care what you believe either way. You're welcome to discus which of us is more informed.
On January 09 2013 01:20 decado90 wrote: Huk will get 5-0'd, Stephano will drop from Code S and yet again I will scratch my head as to why seeds were given out when dozens of more talented Koreans are working their asses off day in and day out for no pay for a shot.
HuK won't lose all 5 games, he'll win the 1 against Flying as Flying is even worse then HuK.
On January 09 2013 01:20 decado90 wrote: Huk will get 5-0'd, Stephano will drop from Code S and yet again I will scratch my head as to why seeds were given out when dozens of more talented Koreans are working their asses off day in and day out for no pay for a shot.
HuK won't lose all 5 games, he'll win the 1 against Flying as Flying is even worse then HuK.
Don't be fooled by Flyings proleague record (which was only 4 single games). OSL was some time ago, but he did qualify and then beat Rain, Bogus, Mvp and Parting.
Flying is the favourite imo, but its close, HuK could win a PvP.
On January 08 2013 22:31 Darkshark wrote: Well at least he was smiling after his lose. I hope, he doesn't take the 0:5 too serious. I really hope that he will imrpve a lot in Korea and comes back strong.
There is no coming back. Most fan favourite foreigners are just too old and not good enough to endure the same training that the countless players from esf/kespa do. When the korean players also prepare for a few specific people on known maps, i cant just see any foreigner winning. Maybe Stephano (under 20 years, and quite talented) has a slight chance to make an impact in GSL/SPL, but i really doubt that EG can provide the necessary training enviroment.
even stephano will have a hard time in gsl! i think i remeber him telling in an interview that he likes tournaments like MLG, IPL etc. more coz people cant prepare that much than. but in code s he will meet alot of top tier players that are prepared for his playstyle...
Yeah, it should be very hard for him to win games. I am really looking forward to see him play in GSL/SPL. (not a fanboy, just curiosity)
This "people will prepare for his style and crush him" argument is silly and quite old if you ask me. Stephano was the pioneer of ZvT and ZvP style for months/years, and noone figured it out(i remember Parting-Hero-MC saying pre-interview in some tournies that they made specific builds to counter Stephano but still got crushed), besides Stephano said he'll be more serious in his practice regime...
Mana got out of his up&downs group, Naniwa made it to ro8 twice, Stephano is more thann capable to do better.
You can't really claim an argument is silly and quite old and then imply that Stephano doesn't have a good practice regime. It's well known that Stephano just doesn't like the pressure of being favored in a match and just plays it off saying, oh I didn't practice, haven't played all week, etc etc. It works for him, and that's fine, but if you actually start believing Stephano doesn't practice, you're really gone off the deep end. He masses games as much as the next progamer. His practice regime is just fine.
I agree with this. Yeah he didn't practice much before WCS and still won, so? HerO hardly played any games at all before NASL and still won with arguably way harder competition so I wouldn't be surprised if that's similar for lots of players. Stephano practices just as much as others, he just doesn't prepare for specific opponents and that's something he's always said and that I actually do believe. It shows in his play. But what else shows in his play is that he does practice a lot.
What makes you think he practices as much as others? He says he doesn't. Most pro/caster agree with this statement. His accounts show very little practice. Of course you can say that everyone is lying to us and he has a secret account that nobody ever heard of, but that seems very unlikely to me.
Actually most players have secret smurf accounts, most of them barcodes. I'd be 0% surprised if Stephano had one.
You use your gut feeling and not facts. You are right to say that he may have one barcode account, but don't state he has one as a fact.
On January 08 2013 22:31 Darkshark wrote: Well at least he was smiling after his lose. I hope, he doesn't take the 0:5 too serious. I really hope that he will imrpve a lot in Korea and comes back strong.
There is no coming back. Most fan favourite foreigners are just too old and not good enough to endure the same training that the countless players from esf/kespa do. When the korean players also prepare for a few specific people on known maps, i cant just see any foreigner winning. Maybe Stephano (under 20 years, and quite talented) has a slight chance to make an impact in GSL/SPL, but i really doubt that EG can provide the necessary training enviroment.
even stephano will have a hard time in gsl! i think i remeber him telling in an interview that he likes tournaments like MLG, IPL etc. more coz people cant prepare that much than. but in code s he will meet alot of top tier players that are prepared for his playstyle...
Yeah, it should be very hard for him to win games. I am really looking forward to see him play in GSL/SPL. (not a fanboy, just curiosity)
This "people will prepare for his style and crush him" argument is silly and quite old if you ask me. Stephano was the pioneer of ZvT and ZvP style for months/years, and noone figured it out(i remember Parting-Hero-MC saying pre-interview in some tournies that they made specific builds to counter Stephano but still got crushed), besides Stephano said he'll be more serious in his practice regime...
Mana got out of his up&downs group, Naniwa made it to ro8 twice, Stephano is more thann capable to do better.
You can't really claim an argument is silly and quite old and then imply that Stephano doesn't have a good practice regime. It's well known that Stephano just doesn't like the pressure of being favored in a match and just plays it off saying, oh I didn't practice, haven't played all week, etc etc. It works for him, and that's fine, but if you actually start believing Stephano doesn't practice, you're really gone off the deep end. He masses games as much as the next progamer. His practice regime is just fine.
I agree with this. Yeah he didn't practice much before WCS and still won, so? HerO hardly played any games at all before NASL and still won with arguably way harder competition so I wouldn't be surprised if that's similar for lots of players. Stephano practices just as much as others, he just doesn't prepare for specific opponents and that's something he's always said and that I actually do believe. It shows in his play. But what else shows in his play is that he does practice a lot.
What makes you think he practices as much as others? He says he doesn't. Most pro/caster agree with this statement. His accounts show very little practice. Of course you can say that everyone is lying to us and he has a secret account that nobody ever heard of, but that seems very unlikely to me.
Actually no. Most pro's know he practices. The casters love blowing it up for dramatic effect, but most should know better. Edit: Hell, you can tell from his slump late November when he was playing tournaments/traveling too much. If normally he doesn't practice normally, you'd expect him to improve with a heavy tournament schedule, not vice versa..
Then again, where does your "most pros know he practices" comes from, except from your imagination? His former teammates said he was practicing like 3 or 4 hours and not every days. Same when he was in EG as a guest.
Assuming you are talking about Stephano he has said before that he practices more than he used to.
Grubby getting roflstomped as I thought. He's not a bad player by any means, but he's not upto the level of those other guys. Glad to see LosirA back in Code S. Its been a long time.
. Was cheering for him to win. Would it be possible to have TL recruit Grubby? He'd do really well in the lab.
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