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On December 30 2012 16:16 Caihead wrote:Show nested quote +On December 30 2012 16:14 vthree wrote:On December 30 2012 16:11 sc2superfan101 wrote:On December 30 2012 15:56 vthree wrote:On December 30 2012 15:54 sc2superfan101 wrote:On December 30 2012 15:52 Dosey wrote:On December 30 2012 15:50 fuzzylogic44 wrote:On December 30 2012 15:41 Sadist wrote:On December 30 2012 15:37 BretZ wrote:On December 30 2012 15:36 Sadist wrote:[quote] I obviously know this  I just am wondering how good these guys are because some of the games I watch look like my ladder games and there have to be players in korea better than this. How is ladder rank indicative of skill?.. ??????? it isn't but if you played the game at all you would imagine things like skyhigh making a critical composition mistake and this last game wouldn't happen. Its not indicative of the best players obviously but it would be indicative of a general/minimum level. Now that I realize it is basically KESPA only teams this makes sense. I'm still curious as to the skill level of the lowest players. The worst pros in BW who were only practice partners were still godly and would rape face vs just about anyone when you ran into them on iccup/pgt etc. They only looked bad by comparison to the top players. Some of these guys make mistakes that make you wonder how good they really are. Put it this way: GSL 2013 season 1 Code S Kespa players: Bogus, Soulkey, Roro, Baby Up and Down players: Flying, Trap. Flash, Jaedong, Fantasy, Bbyong, sOs I don't understand what you're trying to say...? I think he's saying that that is pretty good representation at the GSL level (highest esf). so obviously some Kespa guys are really competitive with the best GSL players. which means they are, in general, competitive as a whole against esf players, skill wise. That logic is so flawed. Yes, the top Kespa players can compete with the top eSF players. But right now, the 30th eSF player is much better than the 30th Kespa player. you're sure of that? Yes, if you look at results. There are 50 players in code S/Up and Downs. With 11 Kespa players and 30+ eSF players. Can the Kespa player take games off the eSF player? Sure. But so can the 30th rank foreigner. But overall, I would say the 30th eSF is the overall better player. "Taking games off" isn't indicative of anything. Combatex took a game off Parting in a Bo3. It's a poor standard to judge things by.
Caihead knows whats up
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On December 30 2012 16:16 Caihead wrote:Show nested quote +On December 30 2012 16:14 vthree wrote:On December 30 2012 16:11 sc2superfan101 wrote:On December 30 2012 15:56 vthree wrote:On December 30 2012 15:54 sc2superfan101 wrote:On December 30 2012 15:52 Dosey wrote:On December 30 2012 15:50 fuzzylogic44 wrote:On December 30 2012 15:41 Sadist wrote:On December 30 2012 15:37 BretZ wrote:On December 30 2012 15:36 Sadist wrote:[quote] I obviously know this I just am wondering how good these guys are because some of the games I watch look like my ladder games and there have to be players in korea better than this. How is ladder rank indicative of skill?.. ??????? it isn't but if you played the game at all you would imagine things like skyhigh making a critical composition mistake and this last game wouldn't happen. Its not indicative of the best players obviously but it would be indicative of a general/minimum level. Now that I realize it is basically KESPA only teams this makes sense. I'm still curious as to the skill level of the lowest players. The worst pros in BW who were only practice partners were still godly and would rape face vs just about anyone when you ran into them on iccup/pgt etc. They only looked bad by comparison to the top players. Some of these guys make mistakes that make you wonder how good they really are. Put it this way: GSL 2013 season 1 Code S Kespa players: Bogus, Soulkey, Roro, Baby Up and Down players: Flying, Trap. Flash, Jaedong, Fantasy, Bbyong, sOs I don't understand what you're trying to say...? I think he's saying that that is pretty good representation at the GSL level (highest esf). so obviously some Kespa guys are really competitive with the best GSL players. which means they are, in general, competitive as a whole against esf players, skill wise. That logic is so flawed. Yes, the top Kespa players can compete with the top eSF players. But right now, the 30th eSF player is much better than the 30th Kespa player. you're sure of that? Yes, if you look at results. There are 50 players in code S/Up and Downs. With 11 Kespa players and 30+ eSF players. Can the Kespa player take games off the eSF player? Sure. But so can the 30th rank foreigner. But overall, I would say the 30th eSF is the overall better player. "Taking games off" isn't indicative of anything. Combatex took a game off Parting in a Bo3. It's a poor standard to judge things by.
Did you read my post at all?
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startale would never lose a match in proleague, you're kidding yourselves ;o
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All this talk about eSF vs Kespa guys isn't really a legit comparison... once HotS comes out, meta games reset to zero then the real look at the two organizations will be legitimate.
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On December 30 2012 16:06 vthree wrote:Show nested quote +On December 30 2012 16:01 Taipoka wrote:On December 30 2012 15:59 Dosey wrote:On December 30 2012 15:54 Taipoka wrote:On December 30 2012 15:48 Sadist wrote:On December 30 2012 15:43 HanFuzi wrote:
The fact that we're used to ladder makes skill seem more static than it actually is.
The relative skill of pros varies even day to day, based on many things. thats obvious. But im curious as to why some of these guys are playing in televised matches if they arent very good. Im all for giving them a chance to get better and keeping them on the roster to work their way up to the team, but some of these guys I would bet you could grab people from bnet who would be more likely to get a win for your team. Maybe they all are really good and just look bad comparatively, thats why I was asking what the skill level of some of the players was because I have no point of reference. As I said, when I would play a progamer in BW, it was pretty obvious you were playing a pro just by the way they played, you could feel it because they were able to dictate the game and reacted much faster than most non korean players did. I haven't played any korean pros in SC2 (not that im very good at this game anyway) but I was wondering if it was kinda the same thing. The whole Kespa vs Esf thing makes me curious about the skill level of the average kespa player vs a guy who is on an esf team. Seems like the kespa guys can get by on reputation and potential so just because they are on a pro team doesnt mean they are very good. I would expect the opposite for esf teams since you basically had to earn your way on since the teams have been around for quite a while now. Think this way. Good kespa players are on par with good esf players. Bad kespa players are on par with bad esf players. I think whats confusing you is that bad kespa players need to play in this format, while esf focus more on individual leagues. And team play is all-kill format. I dunno man... I feel like a lineup of YongHwa, Yoda, First, Losira, Happy would pretty much destroy any KeSPA team. And that's not even playing their three champions. And ST could probably just play their ZeNEX lineup and still smash face. It doesnt change my point :D I dont see a bad player in this ST lineup :D Well, it is because you are defining the player already with good and bad. It is like saying a good Korean is on par with a good foreigner and a bad Korean is on par with a bad foreigner. Which is true as well. But you just have a lot more 'good' Koreans compare to 'good' foreigners. The only way to compare would be to see how the 20th, 30th, 40th, 50th players from both sides stack up against each other. Right now, you have to give the advantage to eSF. But I think when HoTS comes out, we will see that gap close a lot more.
Its fair. And thats my point about the original comment but with other point of view.
Not about quantity but just quality. bad = bad, good = good
But appart from ST, i dont see other esf team with a lineup with players on the same level.
Even if its a better level than kespa teams, it still have a big difference between players in the same team.
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On December 30 2012 16:16 GTPGlitch wrote:Show nested quote +On December 30 2012 16:01 Taipoka wrote:On December 30 2012 15:59 Dosey wrote:On December 30 2012 15:54 Taipoka wrote:On December 30 2012 15:48 Sadist wrote:On December 30 2012 15:43 HanFuzi wrote:
The fact that we're used to ladder makes skill seem more static than it actually is.
The relative skill of pros varies even day to day, based on many things. thats obvious. But im curious as to why some of these guys are playing in televised matches if they arent very good. Im all for giving them a chance to get better and keeping them on the roster to work their way up to the team, but some of these guys I would bet you could grab people from bnet who would be more likely to get a win for your team. Maybe they all are really good and just look bad comparatively, thats why I was asking what the skill level of some of the players was because I have no point of reference. As I said, when I would play a progamer in BW, it was pretty obvious you were playing a pro just by the way they played, you could feel it because they were able to dictate the game and reacted much faster than most non korean players did. I haven't played any korean pros in SC2 (not that im very good at this game anyway) but I was wondering if it was kinda the same thing. The whole Kespa vs Esf thing makes me curious about the skill level of the average kespa player vs a guy who is on an esf team. Seems like the kespa guys can get by on reputation and potential so just because they are on a pro team doesnt mean they are very good. I would expect the opposite for esf teams since you basically had to earn your way on since the teams have been around for quite a while now. Think this way. Good kespa players are on par with good esf players. Bad kespa players are on par with bad esf players. I think whats confusing you is that bad kespa players need to play in this format, while esf focus more on individual leagues. And team play is all-kill format. I dunno man... I feel like a lineup of YongHwa, Yoda, First, Losira, Happy would pretty much destroy any KeSPA team. And that's not even playing their three champions. And ST could probably just play their ZeNEX lineup and still smash face. It doesnt change my point :D I dont see a bad player in this ST lineup :D lists 5 Code S level players from ST then says T8 would beat them
Wat?
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On December 30 2012 16:11 Aerisky wrote:
Yaaay Khan fans emerging from out of the woodwork :3
Would be REALLY nice if it doesn't get to an ace match though, because Effort...wait...I traded him off my anti for Soulkey...who already won today...never mind ;___;
effort in ace match would be free win for khan
you just have to send a protoss
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On December 30 2012 16:17 sc2superfan101 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 30 2012 16:14 vthree wrote:On December 30 2012 16:11 sc2superfan101 wrote:On December 30 2012 15:56 vthree wrote:On December 30 2012 15:54 sc2superfan101 wrote:On December 30 2012 15:52 Dosey wrote:On December 30 2012 15:50 fuzzylogic44 wrote:On December 30 2012 15:41 Sadist wrote:On December 30 2012 15:37 BretZ wrote:On December 30 2012 15:36 Sadist wrote:[quote] I obviously know this I just am wondering how good these guys are because some of the games I watch look like my ladder games and there have to be players in korea better than this. How is ladder rank indicative of skill?.. ??????? it isn't but if you played the game at all you would imagine things like skyhigh making a critical composition mistake and this last game wouldn't happen. Its not indicative of the best players obviously but it would be indicative of a general/minimum level. Now that I realize it is basically KESPA only teams this makes sense. I'm still curious as to the skill level of the lowest players. The worst pros in BW who were only practice partners were still godly and would rape face vs just about anyone when you ran into them on iccup/pgt etc. They only looked bad by comparison to the top players. Some of these guys make mistakes that make you wonder how good they really are. Put it this way: GSL 2013 season 1 Code S Kespa players: Bogus, Soulkey, Roro, Baby Up and Down players: Flying, Trap. Flash, Jaedong, Fantasy, Bbyong, sOs I don't understand what you're trying to say...? I think he's saying that that is pretty good representation at the GSL level (highest esf). so obviously some Kespa guys are really competitive with the best GSL players. which means they are, in general, competitive as a whole against esf players, skill wise. That logic is so flawed. Yes, the top Kespa players can compete with the top eSF players. But right now, the 30th eSF player is much better than the 30th Kespa player. you're sure of that? Yes, if you look at results. There are 50 players in code S/Up and Downs. With 11 Kespa players and 30+ eSF players. Can the Kespa player take games off the eSF player? Sure. But so can the 30th rank foreigner. But overall, I would say the 30th eSF is the overall better player. but much better? I would say that they are better, but not much better. which means that my point stands that Kespa pros are competitive. and also, your logic is also flawed. less Kespa players have even attempted to get into GSL, and further, they have had less time to establish themselves in GSL. that doesn't mean their skill is any less.
Almost all the Kespa pros went to the Code B qualifiers for 2 seasons... Better and much better depends on interpretation as does competitive. Are Korean better or much better than foreigners?
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On December 30 2012 16:18 Harem wrote:Show nested quote +On December 30 2012 16:11 Aerisky wrote:
Yaaay Khan fans emerging from out of the woodwork :3
Would be REALLY nice if it doesn't get to an ace match though, because Effort...wait...I traded him off my anti for Soulkey...who already won today...never mind ;___; effort in ace match would be free win for khan you just have to send a protoss
OHAI Harem :D
Oh hm, didn't know toss was super effective against Effort >.< perhaps we have a chance after all~
Not sure what kind of mindgames would go on, but then I suppose herO would be the one to be afraid of.
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On December 30 2012 16:13 Dodgin wrote:Show nested quote +On December 30 2012 16:11 sc2superfan101 wrote:On December 30 2012 15:56 vthree wrote:On December 30 2012 15:54 sc2superfan101 wrote:On December 30 2012 15:52 Dosey wrote:On December 30 2012 15:50 fuzzylogic44 wrote:On December 30 2012 15:41 Sadist wrote:On December 30 2012 15:37 BretZ wrote:On December 30 2012 15:36 Sadist wrote:On December 30 2012 15:34 GhostKorean wrote:
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Kespa pros didn't ladder much in bw I obviously know this I just am wondering how good these guys are because some of the games I watch look like my ladder games and there have to be players in korea better than this. How is ladder rank indicative of skill?.. ??????? it isn't but if you played the game at all you would imagine things like skyhigh making a critical composition mistake and this last game wouldn't happen. Its not indicative of the best players obviously but it would be indicative of a general/minimum level. Now that I realize it is basically KESPA only teams this makes sense. I'm still curious as to the skill level of the lowest players. The worst pros in BW who were only practice partners were still godly and would rape face vs just about anyone when you ran into them on iccup/pgt etc. They only looked bad by comparison to the top players. Some of these guys make mistakes that make you wonder how good they really are. Put it this way: GSL 2013 season 1 Code S Kespa players: Bogus, Soulkey, Roro, Baby Up and Down players: Flying, Trap. Flash, Jaedong, Fantasy, Bbyong, sOs I don't understand what you're trying to say...? I think he's saying that that is pretty good representation at the GSL level (highest esf). so obviously some Kespa guys are really competitive with the best GSL players. which means they are, in general, competitive as a whole against esf players, skill wise. That logic is so flawed. Yes, the top Kespa players can compete with the top eSF players. But right now, the 30th eSF player is much better than the 30th Kespa player. you're sure of that? probably, considering there's at least 30 ESF players currently in code a/s and some other really good ones like Tear in code b.It's hard to say because not that many kespa players have broken into gsl yet.
that logic is also flawed in it's own way. less Kespa players have tried to go into GSL, and have had less time to establish themselves.
I might agree that esf players are better in general, but I don't think by any significant amount.
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hmm, it seems that I might have overstated that a bit (the bolded part of my post). though I wonder how many current Code S and Code A guys would be able to get through Code B.... again, not fair to compare the different situations.
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come on Shine come on, you can do it
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On December 30 2012 16:17 Taipoka wrote:Show nested quote +On December 30 2012 16:06 vthree wrote:On December 30 2012 16:01 Taipoka wrote:On December 30 2012 15:59 Dosey wrote:On December 30 2012 15:54 Taipoka wrote:On December 30 2012 15:48 Sadist wrote:On December 30 2012 15:43 HanFuzi wrote:
The fact that we're used to ladder makes skill seem more static than it actually is.
The relative skill of pros varies even day to day, based on many things. thats obvious. But im curious as to why some of these guys are playing in televised matches if they arent very good. Im all for giving them a chance to get better and keeping them on the roster to work their way up to the team, but some of these guys I would bet you could grab people from bnet who would be more likely to get a win for your team. Maybe they all are really good and just look bad comparatively, thats why I was asking what the skill level of some of the players was because I have no point of reference. As I said, when I would play a progamer in BW, it was pretty obvious you were playing a pro just by the way they played, you could feel it because they were able to dictate the game and reacted much faster than most non korean players did. I haven't played any korean pros in SC2 (not that im very good at this game anyway) but I was wondering if it was kinda the same thing. The whole Kespa vs Esf thing makes me curious about the skill level of the average kespa player vs a guy who is on an esf team. Seems like the kespa guys can get by on reputation and potential so just because they are on a pro team doesnt mean they are very good. I would expect the opposite for esf teams since you basically had to earn your way on since the teams have been around for quite a while now. Think this way. Good kespa players are on par with good esf players. Bad kespa players are on par with bad esf players. I think whats confusing you is that bad kespa players need to play in this format, while esf focus more on individual leagues. And team play is all-kill format. I dunno man... I feel like a lineup of YongHwa, Yoda, First, Losira, Happy would pretty much destroy any KeSPA team. And that's not even playing their three champions. And ST could probably just play their ZeNEX lineup and still smash face. It doesnt change my point :D I dont see a bad player in this ST lineup :D Well, it is because you are defining the player already with good and bad. It is like saying a good Korean is on par with a good foreigner and a bad Korean is on par with a bad foreigner. Which is true as well. But you just have a lot more 'good' Koreans compare to 'good' foreigners. The only way to compare would be to see how the 20th, 30th, 40th, 50th players from both sides stack up against each other. Right now, you have to give the advantage to eSF. But I think when HoTS comes out, we will see that gap close a lot more. Its fair. And thats my point about the original comment but with other point of view. Not about quantity but just quality. bad = bad, good = good But appart from ST, i dont see other esf team with a lineup with players on the same level. Even if its a better level than kespa teams, it still have a big difference between players in the same team.
IM?
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Show us what you can do, Shine! Make it a 4-1.
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On December 30 2012 16:17 vthree wrote:Show nested quote +On December 30 2012 16:16 Caihead wrote:On December 30 2012 16:14 vthree wrote:On December 30 2012 16:11 sc2superfan101 wrote:On December 30 2012 15:56 vthree wrote:On December 30 2012 15:54 sc2superfan101 wrote:On December 30 2012 15:52 Dosey wrote:On December 30 2012 15:50 fuzzylogic44 wrote:On December 30 2012 15:41 Sadist wrote:On December 30 2012 15:37 BretZ wrote:
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How is ladder rank indicative of skill?.. ??????? it isn't but if you played the game at all you would imagine things like skyhigh making a critical composition mistake and this last game wouldn't happen. Its not indicative of the best players obviously but it would be indicative of a general/minimum level. Now that I realize it is basically KESPA only teams this makes sense. I'm still curious as to the skill level of the lowest players. The worst pros in BW who were only practice partners were still godly and would rape face vs just about anyone when you ran into them on iccup/pgt etc. They only looked bad by comparison to the top players. Some of these guys make mistakes that make you wonder how good they really are. Put it this way: GSL 2013 season 1 Code S Kespa players: Bogus, Soulkey, Roro, Baby Up and Down players: Flying, Trap. Flash, Jaedong, Fantasy, Bbyong, sOs I don't understand what you're trying to say...? I think he's saying that that is pretty good representation at the GSL level (highest esf). so obviously some Kespa guys are really competitive with the best GSL players. which means they are, in general, competitive as a whole against esf players, skill wise. That logic is so flawed. Yes, the top Kespa players can compete with the top eSF players. But right now, the 30th eSF player is much better than the 30th Kespa player. you're sure of that? Yes, if you look at results. There are 50 players in code S/Up and Downs. With 11 Kespa players and 30+ eSF players. Can the Kespa player take games off the eSF player? Sure. But so can the 30th rank foreigner. But overall, I would say the 30th eSF is the overall better player. "Taking games off" isn't indicative of anything. Combatex took a game off Parting in a Bo3. It's a poor standard to judge things by. Did you read my post at all?
Given a high enough sampling size anybody with in reasonable range of skill level can take games over each other, it's the win rate that matters. We don't have a big sampling size with esf / Kespa so speculation isn't relevant. Even some random masters players can "take a game" off these guys, they didn't have perfect records going up to gm in ladder. I did read your post, it's just not a good example. Is Hero / Taeja top 30 esf? I would think so, they don't have perfect records.
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Is it just me or did Shine get a LOT fatter?! O_O
He's always been somewhat chubby but WHAT, I practically don't even recognize him anymore. Also yay ZvZ for Harem *__*b
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Why are people talking about eSF teams or GSL? This is Kespa league with Kespa teams. Go blog about it.
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On December 30 2012 16:18 Dosey wrote:Show nested quote +On December 30 2012 16:16 GTPGlitch wrote:On December 30 2012 16:01 Taipoka wrote:On December 30 2012 15:59 Dosey wrote:On December 30 2012 15:54 Taipoka wrote:On December 30 2012 15:48 Sadist wrote:On December 30 2012 15:43 HanFuzi wrote:
The fact that we're used to ladder makes skill seem more static than it actually is.
The relative skill of pros varies even day to day, based on many things. thats obvious. But im curious as to why some of these guys are playing in televised matches if they arent very good. Im all for giving them a chance to get better and keeping them on the roster to work their way up to the team, but some of these guys I would bet you could grab people from bnet who would be more likely to get a win for your team. Maybe they all are really good and just look bad comparatively, thats why I was asking what the skill level of some of the players was because I have no point of reference. As I said, when I would play a progamer in BW, it was pretty obvious you were playing a pro just by the way they played, you could feel it because they were able to dictate the game and reacted much faster than most non korean players did. I haven't played any korean pros in SC2 (not that im very good at this game anyway) but I was wondering if it was kinda the same thing. The whole Kespa vs Esf thing makes me curious about the skill level of the average kespa player vs a guy who is on an esf team. Seems like the kespa guys can get by on reputation and potential so just because they are on a pro team doesnt mean they are very good. I would expect the opposite for esf teams since you basically had to earn your way on since the teams have been around for quite a while now. Think this way. Good kespa players are on par with good esf players. Bad kespa players are on par with bad esf players. I think whats confusing you is that bad kespa players need to play in this format, while esf focus more on individual leagues. And team play is all-kill format. I dunno man... I feel like a lineup of YongHwa, Yoda, First, Losira, Happy would pretty much destroy any KeSPA team. And that's not even playing their three champions. And ST could probably just play their ZeNEX lineup and still smash face. It doesnt change my point :D I dont see a bad player in this ST lineup :D lists 5 Code S level players from ST then says T8 would beat them Wat?
In PL format, ofc. Assuming we take it by current player status, as long as baby got matched up against parting/curious and Jaehoon avoided bomber, Ryul2, speed, or terminator could take a game off of whoever is left. Terminator v Squirtle would be a pretty decent toss-up, with preparation ryul2 could come close against life or take out hack, and Speed could just pull a bravo and cheese. And alone could sixpool for the hell of it ^^
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On December 30 2012 16:21 vthree wrote:Show nested quote +On December 30 2012 16:17 Taipoka wrote:On December 30 2012 16:06 vthree wrote:On December 30 2012 16:01 Taipoka wrote:On December 30 2012 15:59 Dosey wrote:On December 30 2012 15:54 Taipoka wrote:On December 30 2012 15:48 Sadist wrote:On December 30 2012 15:43 HanFuzi wrote:
The fact that we're used to ladder makes skill seem more static than it actually is.
The relative skill of pros varies even day to day, based on many things. thats obvious. But im curious as to why some of these guys are playing in televised matches if they arent very good. Im all for giving them a chance to get better and keeping them on the roster to work their way up to the team, but some of these guys I would bet you could grab people from bnet who would be more likely to get a win for your team. Maybe they all are really good and just look bad comparatively, thats why I was asking what the skill level of some of the players was because I have no point of reference. As I said, when I would play a progamer in BW, it was pretty obvious you were playing a pro just by the way they played, you could feel it because they were able to dictate the game and reacted much faster than most non korean players did. I haven't played any korean pros in SC2 (not that im very good at this game anyway) but I was wondering if it was kinda the same thing. The whole Kespa vs Esf thing makes me curious about the skill level of the average kespa player vs a guy who is on an esf team. Seems like the kespa guys can get by on reputation and potential so just because they are on a pro team doesnt mean they are very good. I would expect the opposite for esf teams since you basically had to earn your way on since the teams have been around for quite a while now. Think this way. Good kespa players are on par with good esf players. Bad kespa players are on par with bad esf players. I think whats confusing you is that bad kespa players need to play in this format, while esf focus more on individual leagues. And team play is all-kill format. I dunno man... I feel like a lineup of YongHwa, Yoda, First, Losira, Happy would pretty much destroy any KeSPA team. And that's not even playing their three champions. And ST could probably just play their ZeNEX lineup and still smash face. It doesnt change my point :D I dont see a bad player in this ST lineup :D Well, it is because you are defining the player already with good and bad. It is like saying a good Korean is on par with a good foreigner and a bad Korean is on par with a bad foreigner. Which is true as well. But you just have a lot more 'good' Koreans compare to 'good' foreigners. The only way to compare would be to see how the 20th, 30th, 40th, 50th players from both sides stack up against each other. Right now, you have to give the advantage to eSF. But I think when HoTS comes out, we will see that gap close a lot more. Its fair. And thats my point about the original comment but with other point of view. Not about quantity but just quality. bad = bad, good = good But appart from ST, i dont see other esf team with a lineup with players on the same level. Even if its a better level than kespa teams, it still have a big difference between players in the same team. IM?
Back when nestea and LosirA was playing good, i can agree with you.
But now... idk
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On December 30 2012 16:22 Aerisky wrote:
Is it just me or did Shine get a LOT fatter?! O_O
He's always been somewhat chubby but WHAT, I practically don't even recognize him anymore. Also yay ZvZ for Harem *__*b
Yeah he looks even chubbier then last time he played lol
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On December 30 2012 16:24 Thinasy wrote:Show nested quote +On December 30 2012 16:22 Aerisky wrote:
Is it just me or did Shine get a LOT fatter?! O_O
He's always been somewhat chubby but WHAT, I practically don't even recognize him anymore. Also yay ZvZ for Harem *__*b Yeah he looks even chubbier then last time he played lol
He's been feasting on ladder points,, he's gonna smash!!
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