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mythandier
United States828 Posts
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Orval
Norway236 Posts
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SKYFISH_
Bulgaria990 Posts
I seriously don't understand why people aren't begginning to acknowledge ZvZ as a really good matchup. what is good about 2 base roach/infestor turtle vs 2 base roach/infestor turtle? occasionally someone gets sniped by a ling/bling timing and then you have no idea what is happening until the GG because of creep and the fact that Lings are so small 4g PvP was more enjoyable than ZvZ lol  | ||
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StarVe
Germany13591 Posts
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DaCruise
Denmark2457 Posts
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Boucot
France15997 Posts
On December 23 2012 03:16 SKYFISH_ wrote: what is good about 2 base roach/infestor turtle vs 2 base roach/infestor turtle? occasionally someone gets sniped by a ling/bling timing and then you have no idea what is happening until the GG because of creep and the fact that Lings are so small 4g PvP was more enjoyable than ZvZ lol No | ||
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TheDougler
Canada8313 Posts
On December 23 2012 03:07 Pandain wrote: By the way the only correct answer to the above poll was yes. I seriously don't understand why people aren't begginning to acknowledge ZvZ as a really good matchup. It's soooo positional with so many tactics like sniping queens and "fungal walloffs" and burrowed infestors and tunneling claw roaches and it's a really even matchup that rewards the better player. It requires immense micro but revolves around macro. It's also one of the few matchup's in the game where you can reguarly make comebacks. It's just the TvT of 2012 is all. Touraments have ended up fairly ZvZ top heavy lately and a lot of people are tired with it. Once balance shifts and we eventually see less of it people will relish it the way TvT is relished today (though TvT was way more fun to watch in late 2011 IMO). | ||
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zefreak
United States2731 Posts
On December 23 2012 03:07 Pandain wrote: By the way the only correct answer to the above poll was yes. I seriously don't understand why people aren't begginning to acknowledge ZvZ as a really good matchup. It's soooo positional with so many tactics like sniping queens and "fungal walloffs" and burrowed infestors and tunneling claw roaches and it's a really even matchup that rewards the better player. It requires immense micro but revolves around macro. It's also one of the few matchup's in the game where you can reguarly make comebacks. I'd say zvz is better than pvz and slightly better than pvp but way worse than the other matchups. You act like other matchups don't have these 'tactics' and positional play, when positional play is the definition of tvz and tvt. | ||
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SupLilSon
Malaysia4123 Posts
On December 23 2012 03:16 StarVe wrote: The thread really is slow today. People don't seem to be emotionally invested in ZvZ matches. Only so many times you can watch roach/infestor vs roach/infestor before it gets a bit old. | ||
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Dosey
United States4505 Posts
On December 23 2012 03:16 StarVe wrote: The thread really is slow today. People don't seem to be emotionally invested in ZvZ matches. Or maybe people are still sleeping from watching Blizzard Cup o_O | ||
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Boucot
France15997 Posts
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neocron
United Kingdom505 Posts
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Cokefreak
Finland8096 Posts
On December 23 2012 03:18 SupLilSon wrote: Only so many times you can watch roach/infestor vs roach/infestor before it gets a bit old. And what about tank/viking vs tank/viking? | ||
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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
On December 23 2012 03:17 zefreak wrote: I'd say zvz is better than pvz and slightly better than pvp but way worse than the other matchups. You act like other matchups don't have these 'tactics' and positional play, when positional play is the definition of tvz and tvt. TvZ to me is way too stale and a fragment of what it was. IT usually just focuses around a pre-hive push or a pre-spire/infestation pit push, which then determines the game. Creep makes it so that you either win or lose with that push. You don't see old 1-2 tank mairne medivac pushes or back and forth battles determining the game, it's pretty exciting when there are mutas but they only last for a while and then it gets into broodlord infestor where T loses. And TvT imo is the best matchup right now, followed by ZvZ, then TvP. And ZvZ is definitely wayyyy better than PvP, the only thing cool about PvP is micro and that happens in ZvZ | ||
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zefreak
United States2731 Posts
On December 23 2012 03:19 Cokefreak wrote: And what about tank/viking vs tank/viking? Way more interesting to be honest, because theres a lot more decision making in managing a tank/viking army and positioning correctly. Cant walk around in a ball with tank/viking. | ||
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Jakkerr
Netherlands2549 Posts
On December 23 2012 03:10 Tao367 wrote: ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/59Vt6.gif) My tournament stops here. qft | ||
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Zenbrez
Canada5973 Posts
On December 23 2012 03:17 TheDougler wrote: I didn't watch gsl when it was tvtvtvt, but I really like tvt. Zvz though, I'm not too intruiged by, no particular reason.It's just the TvT of 2012 is all. Touraments have ended up fairly ZvZ top heavy lately and a lot of people are tired with it. Once balance shifts and we eventually see less of it people will relish it the way TvT is relished today (though TvT was way more fun to watch in late 2011 IMO). | ||
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Artrey
Germany270 Posts
On December 23 2012 03:16 StarVe wrote: The thread really is slow today. People don't seem to be emotionally invested in ZvZ matches. It's more the personalities I think with Grubby, MKP and TLO out. Not many know much about Symbol, not many like Xlord (because of his general behaviour, just like Naniwa and Nerchio, mostly even back from wc3 times) and Snute is still relatively unknown. The only one who polarizes enough to gather a fanbase is Stephano. | ||
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NeonFox
2373 Posts
On December 23 2012 03:16 StarVe wrote: The thread really is slow today. People don't seem to be emotionally invested in ZvZ matches. Between the posts of people crying to hell about the amount of zergs the final stages (and I think the same, I'd rather watch some ZvT) you can actually see people following a game between two top foreigners. These games are good can we watch them instead of bitching every two posts? Anything is better than PvP or PvZ anyways. Blizzard is not reading this LR thread, if you want to tell them go to their forums, facebook or tweet them ffs. | ||
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decado90
United States480 Posts
On December 23 2012 03:19 Cokefreak wrote: And what about tank/viking vs tank/viking? TvT is best matchup in game by far. Better player wins more often than any other. Blizz ruined it in HOTS, but TvT in Wings is truly special. | ||
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