• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 00:21
CEST 06:21
KST 13:21
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL22] Ro4 Preview: Mirror Mirror4[ASL22] Ro8 Preview: Within Reach5[ASL22] Ro8 Preview: In A Tizzy11[ASL22] Ro16 Preview: Holy Diver5[ASL22] Ro16 Preview: Rough Waters10
Community News
Weekly Cups Results (Sep 28-Oct 4)0SC4ALL: II SC2 Complete Invited Player Lineup10StarCraft II 5.0.17 PTR Patch Notes (Sept 30, 2026)77Weekly Cups (Sept 21-27): herO and ByuN double2Weekly Cups (Sep 13-20): herO scores triple3
StarCraft 2
General
How do you feel about the mass reverts in the 5.0.17 PTR? [Old] StarCraft 3 Reportedly in Development StarCraft II 5.0.17 PTR Patch Notes (Sept 30, 2026) Weekly Cups Results (Sep 28-Oct 4) SC4ALL: II SC2 Complete Invited Player Lineup
Tourneys
Stellar Fest TWO the Moon (Dec 16-20) ISSL (IntoTheTV x SOOP SC2 League): Premier Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament 2026 GSTL Grand Finals Sea Duckling Open (Global, Bronze-Diamond)
Strategy
[H] ZvP Mid-Late Game: Stalkers Collossi HT
Custom Maps
[M] (2) Sweltering Sands [M] (2) Frigid Storage
External Content
Mutation # 546 Catch the Train The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 545 And Drops and Rifts Mutation # 544 Double Trouble
Brood War
General
Sagi.gg Launcher Released BW General Discussion SC4ALL II Brood War Complete Invited Player Lineup 20-year-old Valorant player starting StarCraft Bot on ladder
Tourneys
[ASL22] Semifinal B [ASL22] Semifinal A [Megathread] Daily Proleagues [ASL22] Ro8 Day 4
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Cliff Jump Revisited (1 in a 1000 strategy) Replay Review Process - What do you do?
Other Games
General Games
General RTS Discussion Thread Nintendo Switch Thread Warcraft III: The Frozen Throne Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Total Annihilation Zero
Dota 2
Dota 2 Champions League Season 3 Begins April 25! Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
[TL LoL EUW IHs] Teemo shall perish
Heroes of the Storm
Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread Artificial Intelligence Thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Dating: How's your luck?
Fan Clubs
Serral Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Movie Discussion! Diablo Animated Series on Netflix
Sports
Football (Soccer) Thread MLB/Baseball 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
Recent Gifted Posts
Blogs
[ASL22] Ro4 Day1 Ticket Giv…
bITt.mAN
Escaping Into Video Games: G…
TrAiDoS
38 yo Retired SWE loo…
PurE)Rabbit-SF
Can Bots Beat Pros?? Starcr…
namkraft
[meme] I finally understa…
LUCKY_NOOB
Regacy Esports:Our Goa…
regacyesports
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 7369 users

[GSL] Blizzard Cup Grand Finals - Page 174

Forum Index > StarCraft 2 Tournaments
Post a Reply
Prev 1 172 173 174 175 176 191 Next
Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
December 22 2012 12:19 GMT
#3461
On December 22 2012 21:18 Salteador Neo wrote:
I lost the first games. Has Life gone for any other build than turtle on x bases in this series?


He went for 2-base the first game and tried to get sneaky with his infestors, but was caught out and has, logically, been much more cautious since.
AdministratorBreak the chains
rasnj
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1959 Posts
December 22 2012 12:19 GMT
#3462
On December 22 2012 21:15 Dodgin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 22 2012 21:13 GhostKorean wrote:
On December 22 2012 21:12 Dodgin wrote:
On December 22 2012 21:09 rasnj wrote:
On December 22 2012 21:06 Dodgin wrote:
On December 22 2012 21:05 Goibon wrote:
On December 22 2012 21:04 Sc2Null wrote:
On December 22 2012 21:03 goswser wrote:
On December 22 2012 21:03 Sc2Null wrote:
On December 22 2012 21:02 goswser wrote:
In other news, when the entire time you're doing an allin you have 1100-2000 minerals you're doing something wrong. Good micro, but his macro was lacking in that game.


you can't warp in and micro the immortals

I don't know, make 10 gateways instead of 8 then, so when you do use warpins you can spend more of your money?


it is all about the timing; 10 gates would throw the timing off and wouldn't be as potent, you can only support 8 gates off of two bases.

the point is as soon as he lost his forward pylon, he needed to realise he wouldn't be able to warp in as much, so each warp in needed to be bigger, so he should have made ~2 more gates


It's so risky to go back to your base and build 2 more gates, even with the APM of a pro gamer. you look away for two seconds, miss FF's and you lose.

Then learn to put down gates faster (like Parting would need more than 1sec). Learn to watch minimap. Learn to react. Learn to recognize when you are in minimal danger. This is supposed to be the highest level of play surely we can expect Parting to be able to build 2 gates just like we expect zerg's in zvz to inject and tech during ling-baneling wars.


I don't think you understand how much micro and apm goes into these pushes, you don't have time to go back to your base, and you never have your camera leave the area where your units are once you start fighting unless you need to make pylons to un supply block yourself.

then play faster so you can do it


there are human limitations to APM

But they are not reached, and even then that just means we won't reach a skill ceilling. In any case it is a matter of trade off. I refuse to believe that if Parting focused on this aspect of his game for 6 months he wouldn't be able to train himself to recognize the right time to go back to his base and put down 2 gates. It may not be without cost and there may be risk, but so is there to wasting resources and not having enough units.
Flonomenalz
Profile Joined May 2011
Nigeria3519 Posts
December 22 2012 12:19 GMT
#3463
Life could possibly just cripple him with an Infestor attack, he could get all the sentries.
I love crazymoving
Megabuster123
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada1837 Posts
December 22 2012 12:19 GMT
#3464
On December 22 2012 21:18 Salteador Neo wrote:
I missed the first games. Has Life gone for any other build than turtle on x bases in this series?

He opened 11 Pool on daybreak into 2 base infestor and got stomped.
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
December 22 2012 12:19 GMT
#3465
On December 22 2012 21:17 Megabuster123 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 22 2012 21:16 Boiler Bandsman wrote:
I like how Stephano's winstreak is just ignored in terms of balance, but Parting's build is "NERF NAO"

That's because back when Stephano was the end all be all of ZvP, every other zerg was shit at ZvP...>_>

most other protosses are pretty bad at ZvP
ModeratorRetired LR Bonjwa
TL+ Member
hookyelyak
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Egypt184 Posts
December 22 2012 12:19 GMT
#3466
those forcefields
life.parting.mkp.hero.rain.
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
December 22 2012 12:19 GMT
#3467
On December 22 2012 21:19 GhostKorean wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 22 2012 21:15 silent_owl wrote:
On December 22 2012 21:15 Dodgin wrote:
On December 22 2012 21:13 GhostKorean wrote:
On December 22 2012 21:12 Dodgin wrote:
On December 22 2012 21:09 rasnj wrote:
On December 22 2012 21:06 Dodgin wrote:
On December 22 2012 21:05 Goibon wrote:
On December 22 2012 21:04 Sc2Null wrote:
On December 22 2012 21:03 goswser wrote:
[quote]
I don't know, make 10 gateways instead of 8 then, so when you do use warpins you can spend more of your money?


it is all about the timing; 10 gates would throw the timing off and wouldn't be as potent, you can only support 8 gates off of two bases.

the point is as soon as he lost his forward pylon, he needed to realise he wouldn't be able to warp in as much, so each warp in needed to be bigger, so he should have made ~2 more gates


It's so risky to go back to your base and build 2 more gates, even with the APM of a pro gamer. you look away for two seconds, miss FF's and you lose.

Then learn to put down gates faster (like Parting would need more than 1sec). Learn to watch minimap. Learn to react. Learn to recognize when you are in minimal danger. This is supposed to be the highest level of play surely we can expect Parting to be able to build 2 gates just like we expect zerg's in zvz to inject and tech during ling-baneling wars.


I don't think you understand how much micro and apm goes into these pushes, you don't have time to go back to your base, and you never have your camera leave the area where your units are once you start fighting unless you need to make pylons to un supply block yourself.

then play faster so you can do it


there are human limitations to APM


Exactly.

Everyone thought defilers were impossible to use in Brood War until savior did it and everyone learned to use them

savior didn't make them good due to APM though, iirc his apm was never that high
ModeratorRetired LR Bonjwa
TL+ Member
Laryleprakon
Profile Joined May 2011
New Zealand9496 Posts
December 22 2012 12:20 GMT
#3468
Gogo Life, finish it!
Goibon
Profile Joined May 2010
New Zealand8185 Posts
December 22 2012 12:20 GMT
#3469
Parting's forcefields are just so delicate and precise. Like a surgeon.
Leenock =^_^= Ryung =^_^= Parting =^_^= herO =^_^= Guilty
GreyKnight
Profile Joined August 2010
United States4720 Posts
December 22 2012 12:20 GMT
#3470
On December 22 2012 21:19 opterown wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 22 2012 21:17 Megabuster123 wrote:
On December 22 2012 21:16 Boiler Bandsman wrote:
I like how Stephano's winstreak is just ignored in terms of balance, but Parting's build is "NERF NAO"

That's because back when Stephano was the end all be all of ZvP, every other zerg was shit at ZvP...>_>

most other protosses are pretty bad at ZvP

IE they dont practice immortal sentry enough.
Lazzi
Profile Joined June 2011
Switzerland1923 Posts
December 22 2012 12:20 GMT
#3471
I just love how Parting doesn't waste his FF.
It's good to be back
Zane
Profile Joined January 2011
Romania3916 Posts
December 22 2012 12:21 GMT
#3472
Parting's army control is godlike.
yrt123
Profile Joined October 2012
Singapore1246 Posts
December 22 2012 12:21 GMT
#3473
Yea. the speed and accuracy of those forcefields.. ridiculous
GhostKorean
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States2330 Posts
December 22 2012 12:21 GMT
#3474
On December 22 2012 21:19 opterown wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 22 2012 21:19 GhostKorean wrote:
On December 22 2012 21:15 silent_owl wrote:
On December 22 2012 21:15 Dodgin wrote:
On December 22 2012 21:13 GhostKorean wrote:
On December 22 2012 21:12 Dodgin wrote:
On December 22 2012 21:09 rasnj wrote:
On December 22 2012 21:06 Dodgin wrote:
On December 22 2012 21:05 Goibon wrote:
On December 22 2012 21:04 Sc2Null wrote:
[quote]

it is all about the timing; 10 gates would throw the timing off and wouldn't be as potent, you can only support 8 gates off of two bases.

the point is as soon as he lost his forward pylon, he needed to realise he wouldn't be able to warp in as much, so each warp in needed to be bigger, so he should have made ~2 more gates


It's so risky to go back to your base and build 2 more gates, even with the APM of a pro gamer. you look away for two seconds, miss FF's and you lose.

Then learn to put down gates faster (like Parting would need more than 1sec). Learn to watch minimap. Learn to react. Learn to recognize when you are in minimal danger. This is supposed to be the highest level of play surely we can expect Parting to be able to build 2 gates just like we expect zerg's in zvz to inject and tech during ling-baneling wars.


I don't think you understand how much micro and apm goes into these pushes, you don't have time to go back to your base, and you never have your camera leave the area where your units are once you start fighting unless you need to make pylons to un supply block yourself.

then play faster so you can do it


there are human limitations to APM


Exactly.

Everyone thought defilers were impossible to use in Brood War until savior did it and everyone learned to use them

savior didn't make them good due to APM though, iirc his apm was never that high

he still used them effectively and showed everyone you could use them
Loxley
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Netherlands2480 Posts
December 22 2012 12:21 GMT
#3475
On December 22 2012 21:20 Goibon wrote:
Parting's forcefields are just so delicate and precise. Like a surgeon.


Stupidly godlike idd
월요 날 재미있
xAdra
Profile Joined July 2012
Singapore1858 Posts
December 22 2012 12:22 GMT
#3476
Wolf just mentioned (jokingly) that parting has a forcefield practice map (in the same vein as the marinesplit challenge). Someone should really make this, and someone should really slap me awake if it already exists, as I would go play it until tomorrow morning if it does.
Boiler Bandsman
Profile Joined February 2012
United States391 Posts
December 22 2012 12:22 GMT
#3477
On December 22 2012 21:17 Megabuster123 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 22 2012 21:16 Boiler Bandsman wrote:
I like how Stephano's winstreak is just ignored in terms of balance, but Parting's build is "NERF NAO"

That's because back when Stephano was the end all be all of ZvP, every other zerg was shit at ZvP...>_>


Isn't that exactly what we have now, just in reverse?
A soft answer turneth away wrath. Once wrath is looking the other way, shoot it in the head.
Goibon
Profile Joined May 2010
New Zealand8185 Posts
December 22 2012 12:22 GMT
#3478
special tactics !
Leenock =^_^= Ryung =^_^= Parting =^_^= herO =^_^= Guilty
silent_owl
Profile Joined March 2011
Philippines3098 Posts
December 22 2012 12:22 GMT
#3479
Oh man. Not looking good for Life.
"If you know your enemy and yourself, you need not fear the results of a hundred battles." - Sun Tzu
MonDeW
Profile Joined June 2011
Denmark369 Posts
December 22 2012 12:22 GMT
#3480
Getting so much lag!
Prev 1 172 173 174 175 176 191 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 5h 40m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
ProTech131
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 16715
Rain 1416
GuemChi 653
sSak 46
Bale 23
Icarus 8
Dota 2
NeuroSwarm219
League of Legends
JimRising 557
Counter-Strike
Coldzera 1133
minikerr35
Super Smash Bros
hungrybox1068
Mew2King89
Other Games
summit1g7892
WinterStarcraft584
C9.Mang0184
ViBE86
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick1168
Dota 2
PGL Dota 2 - Main Stream48
[ Show 17 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Light_VIP 30
• Letter1410
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• Migwel
StarCraft: Brood War
• Azhi_Dahaki6
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• lizZardDota252
League of Legends
• Lourlo1126
• Rush567
• Stunt333
Other Games
• Scarra912
• Shiphtur730
Upcoming Events
The PondCast
5h 40m
INu's Battles
6h 40m
Percival vs SHIN
Zoun vs herO
OSC
8h 40m
OSC
17h 55m
Replay Cast
18h 40m
OSC
1d 18h
Big Brain Bouts
2 days
Rex vs INexorable
GgMaChine vs HeRoMaRinE
Reynor vs herO
AI Arena Tournament
2 days
BSL: Ladder Tournament
2 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
3 days
[ Show More ]
Patches Events
3 days
BSL Open Qualifier
3 days
BSL Open Qualifier
3 days
WardiTV Weekly
5 days
PiGosaur Cup
5 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

CSL 2026 AUTUMN (S22)
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
Copium Cup

Ongoing

ASL Season 22
Super Anchor Qualifying S3
Acropolis #5
Acropolis #5 - GSB
ESL Pro League Season 24
Stake Ranked Episode 4
1win Private Club #1
Logitech G Play Connect 2026
SL StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #3
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual

Upcoming

Acropolis #5 - GSC
BSL Season 23
SC4ALL II: Brood War
BSL 23: Non-Korean Championship
HSC XXX
Stellar Fest 2: Lunar Cup
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Offline Finals
HCC Season 3
eXTREMESLAND 2026
PGL Major Singapore 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 6
BLAST Rivals Fall 2026
IEM Beijing 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 5
PGL Masters Bucharest 2026
1win Private Club #2
Thunderpick World Champ. '26
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.