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On December 16 2012 13:47 eGoRama wrote: Guys, can you give me small recap of the first 3 games, anything interesting to watch later or I can skip them?
All games have been good so far tonight. None have been standard, wacky stuff in all of them. They're all short-ish too.
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On December 16 2012 13:50 Arceus wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2012 13:46 nooboon wrote:On December 16 2012 13:45 BretZ wrote:On December 16 2012 13:44 Fionn wrote: Coca is pretty good. I lol'd. Other note: Kespa maps make starcraft 2 so much more interesting. Sc2 NEEDS new maps. NEEDS. Do you really want arkanoid in something like Dreamhack, MLG or even the GSL? why not? win rate for each race seem balance for the last two weeks, games are extremely interesting. viewers turn in just to see this map. The best thing is that I can still imagine a million more ways to play Arkanoid. you say it's balanced after like, six games?
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On December 16 2012 13:51 cravin74 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2012 13:49 stuchiu wrote:On December 16 2012 13:48 Zelniq wrote:On December 16 2012 13:46 Thinasy wrote:On December 16 2012 13:46 aRyuujin wrote:final fantasy music  Aw yeah:D Which ff piano song is this? Sounds like FF9 You're not Alone right now. Yes it is but I've never heard this remix before.
Good to see there is some FF fans here.
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On December 16 2012 13:50 TommyP wrote: I want to see arkanoid every where its games are so unconventional and different which is what I like to see rather than Antiga, Entombed, Daybreak, etc. Standard becoming too standard!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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On December 16 2012 13:48 nomyx wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2012 13:45 kaokentake wrote: zerg should rape protoss on this map as well. zero ability for protoss to harass. unkillable broodlord army WITH ULTRALISKS added in because zerg has no aggression against them Ain't no team going to see arkanoid and say to themselves "We're going to play a protoss on this map" It's only going to be ZvZ, TvZ, or TvT. well team8 and jaehoon disagree.
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On December 16 2012 13:51 opterown wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2012 13:50 Arceus wrote:On December 16 2012 13:46 nooboon wrote:On December 16 2012 13:45 BretZ wrote:On December 16 2012 13:44 Fionn wrote: Coca is pretty good. I lol'd. Other note: Kespa maps make starcraft 2 so much more interesting. Sc2 NEEDS new maps. NEEDS. Do you really want arkanoid in something like Dreamhack, MLG or even the GSL? why not? win rate for each race seem balance for the last two weeks, games are extremely interesting. viewers turn in just to see this map. The best thing is that I can still imagine a million more ways to play Arkanoid. you say it's balanced after like, six games?
Innocence until proven guilty.
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On December 16 2012 13:51 Daogin wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2012 13:50 TommyP wrote: I want to see arkanoid every where its games are so unconventional and different which is what I like to see rather than Antiga, Entombed, Daybreak, etc. Standard becoming too standard!!!!!!!!!!!!! exactly!!!
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On December 16 2012 13:50 Arceus wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2012 13:46 nooboon wrote:On December 16 2012 13:45 BretZ wrote:On December 16 2012 13:44 Fionn wrote: Coca is pretty good. I lol'd. Other note: Kespa maps make starcraft 2 so much more interesting. Sc2 NEEDS new maps. NEEDS. Do you really want arkanoid in something like Dreamhack, MLG or even the GSL? why not? win rate for each race seem balance for the last two weeks, games are extremely interesting. viewers turn in just to see this map. The best thing is that I can still imagine a million more ways to play Arkanoid.
Also its not like GSL hasnt had imbalanced maps in its pool before (or still).
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On December 16 2012 13:50 Arceus wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2012 13:46 nooboon wrote:On December 16 2012 13:45 BretZ wrote:On December 16 2012 13:44 Fionn wrote: Coca is pretty good. I lol'd. Other note: Kespa maps make starcraft 2 so much more interesting. Sc2 NEEDS new maps. NEEDS. Do you really want arkanoid in something like Dreamhack, MLG or even the GSL? why not? win rate for each race seem balance for the last two weeks, games are extremely interesting. viewers turn in just to see this map. The best thing is that I can still imagine a million more ways to play Arkanoid.
Yes, because we can tell balance from like 5 games?
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On December 16 2012 13:51 nomyx wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2012 13:47 eGoRama wrote: Guys, can you give me small recap of the first 3 games, anything interesting to watch later or I can skip them?
All games have been good so far tonight. None have been standard, wacky stuff in all of them. They're all short-ish too.
Thanks, then will check them later
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On December 16 2012 13:50 Rabiator wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2012 13:48 nomyx wrote:On December 16 2012 13:45 kaokentake wrote: zerg should rape protoss on this map as well. zero ability for protoss to harass. unkillable broodlord army WITH ULTRALISKS added in because zerg has no aggression against them Ain't no team going to see arkanoid and say to themselves "We're going to play a protoss on this map" It's only going to be ZvZ, TvZ, or TvT. With HotS and the "air focus" there it might become a viable idea ...
That's definitely true, HOTS is going to change a lot
But just look at it from an econ point of view, terran can CC first and relocate it later, zerg can put hatch down for free, protoss will have to kill the tumor (you don't need detection and I think the tumor only has 200 or so HP) but you won't be able to go nexus first, have to go gateway first
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Arkanoid is a proleague map. The entire point of PL and the Kespa map makers is for it to be rediculous and help show interesting games. The fact that it's a best of 1 and you are practicing a strat to take out ONE player on a single map is the reason all of this can work so well. It's why PL is so fun to watch and why the normal rules and commentary do not apply (nor should they).
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On December 16 2012 13:51 Daogin wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2012 13:50 TommyP wrote: I want to see arkanoid every where its games are so unconventional and different which is what I like to see rather than Antiga, Entombed, Daybreak, etc. Standard becoming too standard!!!!!!!!!!!!!
When standard play starts to become boring or stagnant it is IMPERATIVE that the tournaments utilize maps to change it up and keep things fresh.
The big reason I don't play ladder 1v1 anymore is because the map pool hasn't changed in nearly 6 months with some maps on it being there since 2010. I want new maps, keep the metagame shifting keep the game alive. This stagnant metagame we have now is not something I enjoy.
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On December 16 2012 13:51 Daogin wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2012 13:50 TommyP wrote: I want to see arkanoid every where its games are so unconventional and different which is what I like to see rather than Antiga, Entombed, Daybreak, etc. Standard becoming too standard!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Such a hipster.
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On December 16 2012 13:46 nooboon wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2012 13:45 BretZ wrote:On December 16 2012 13:44 Fionn wrote: Coca is pretty good. I lol'd. Other note: Kespa maps make starcraft 2 so much more interesting. Sc2 NEEDS new maps. NEEDS. Do you really want arkanoid in something like Dreamhack, MLG or even the GSL?
That's the problem with having such segregated tournaments all over the world. That everyone looks out for their own immediate future rather than long term future. Kespa have always made new and exciting maps because they have a long term league. They can patch it, and players can develop new strategies and create new metagames.
Take Arkanoid. We have reaper openings, mass mutas with air upgrades, different type of playstyle from the snorefest that has become reactored hellions into marine tank vs infestor delay into BLs.
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Current maps aren't balanced anyway. Maps are not supposed to be balanced. Current maps pool lack variety.
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Is it just me or are they zoomed out further than what I thought possible?
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United States23455 Posts
If Bogus beats Reality, Shine beats Trap, and then Bogus wins ace, I shall be in a good position Fantasy League wise.
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On December 16 2012 13:54 ZerglingTwins wrote: Current maps aren't balanced anyway.
I thought daybreak / CK were some of the most well-balanced maps around?
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I miss sayle
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