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On December 03 2012 13:52 K3Nyy wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2012 13:45 vthree wrote:On December 03 2012 13:43 playnice wrote:On December 03 2012 13:41 polishedturd wrote:On December 03 2012 13:39 negativedge wrote:
the best part is everyone screaming about the lack of terrans. meanwhile, no protoss in the top 8. 2 terran, 2 terran in mlg fall 2 terran, 2 zerg in GSL ro4 2 terran, 2 zerg in IPL top4 no one cares about aiur  Sad Zealot fan club is back. Balance. PartinG and HerO winning WCS , WCG, DHW kind of make it a little better for Protoss for now. If a Zerg had won those as well, I think we would have Protoss complaints as well. I dunno how much winning WCG and WCS means in terms of balance. If you look at the player pool, there would've been something wrong if the Koreans didn't win it. 80%+ of both tournaments were foreigners. If anything though, there should be a sad Marine club. Feels like every Terran game I watch this weekend, it's always an uphill battle.
Yes, the top tier Korean zergs weren't at that tournament. So balance is not really in play. However, at least Protoss players got to see Protoss players win which dials down the complaints.
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On December 03 2012 13:54 tMomiji wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2012 13:53 Shellshock1122 wrote:On December 03 2012 13:53 tMomiji wrote:On December 03 2012 13:53 zerglingrodeo wrote:
Is there a thread that can serve as an emotional support outlet for all of the terrans who insist on complaining about balance and feel the need to do so in LR threads? That would probably be a good thing. the sad marine fan club was closed the day it opened How about the sad SCV? SCVs are inherently more likable. Marketing, guys, marketing. ; D
Sad medic?
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On December 03 2012 13:55 Laryleprakon wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2012 13:53 Shellshock1122 wrote:On December 03 2012 13:53 tMomiji wrote:On December 03 2012 13:53 zerglingrodeo wrote:
Is there a thread that can serve as an emotional support outlet for all of the terrans who insist on complaining about balance and feel the need to do so in LR threads? That would probably be a good thing. the sad marine fan club was closed the day it opened We don't need one we have the LR threads ^_^
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=339852
Chill #1 hater D:
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On December 03 2012 13:53 fighter2_40 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2012 13:44 openbox1 wrote:On December 03 2012 13:43 IshinShishi wrote:On December 03 2012 13:39 templar rage wrote:
Lol Polt just guesses what Hive tech is going to be, and he guessed wrong in both games 3 and 5. actually, I don't think it's a guess. I think its more of "gotta kill before blords are out, gotta kill, GOTTA KILL!" This is exactly right. Polt probably has had a lot of practice vs zerg trying to get vikings out in time to match the broodlord corruptor infestor but found it was a worthless battle because infestor is just so damn cost efficient that vikings are basically worthless. Corruptors are the issue, they should not exist in the game and brood lords should come from mutalisks. Without corruptors it'd be split vikings vs infestor and mutas, which can be outranged by thors. It becomes way more strategical. Also, blizzard please make ghosts cost 50/150 or something more gas than minerals because late game terran has too much gas. CORRUPTORS KILLING ESPORTS!
Don't know about Corruptors, but they should definitely make Ghost a more gas heavy unit.
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On December 03 2012 13:54 jmbthirteen wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2012 13:53 sitromit wrote:On December 03 2012 13:50 Talack wrote:On December 03 2012 13:49 Chewbacca. wrote:On December 03 2012 13:43 betaman wrote:On December 03 2012 13:37 lowercase wrote:
Zerg gets a maxed, top-tier army, Terran gets upset he cannot beat him with tier two units... So Polt should have got loads of battlecruisers and thors? LMAO I still don't see why T decides to forget that they can get 1-2 ghosts and wreck a group of infestors that are bunched together the vast majority of the time. Because terran players have tried to emp infestors....It's insanely hard to do, insanely hard doesn't even begin to hard it is. It's borderline impossible if your opponent is paying attention. That's why the psionic fungal immunity change was good, you could actually use ghosts to emp infestors. Gumiho showed that Ghosts are still very good vs Z. You can EMP and Snipe Infestors, and Nuke. I really don't get why more Terrans aren't trying his builds. It looked amazing both times he used similar builds and absolutely demolished the Zerg. and look at all those tournaments Gumiho is winning!
He took his team to the GSTL finals with that build. I'd call that a pretty good win. It's pretty silly to dismiss the build because Gumiho lost games where he didn't use it.
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On December 03 2012 13:53 sitromit wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2012 13:50 Talack wrote:On December 03 2012 13:49 Chewbacca. wrote:On December 03 2012 13:43 betaman wrote:On December 03 2012 13:37 lowercase wrote:
Zerg gets a maxed, top-tier army, Terran gets upset he cannot beat him with tier two units... So Polt should have got loads of battlecruisers and thors? LMAO I still don't see why T decides to forget that they can get 1-2 ghosts and wreck a group of infestors that are bunched together the vast majority of the time. Because terran players have tried to emp infestors....It's insanely hard to do, insanely hard doesn't even begin to hard it is. It's borderline impossible if your opponent is paying attention. That's why the psionic fungal immunity change was good, you could actually use ghosts to emp infestors. Gumiho showed that Ghosts are still very good vs Z. You can EMP and Snipe Infestors, and Nuke. I really don't get why more Terrans aren't trying his builds. It looked amazing both times he used similar builds and absolutely demolished the Zerg.
gumiho has some of the best tvz in world.
correctly microing a late game terran army and utilizing spellcasters isn't easy when you have to constantly split bio and most terrans, even polt in his game vs violet on ohana, have shown in ipl5 that they cannot do it efficiently
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On December 03 2012 13:55 Laryleprakon wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2012 13:53 Shellshock1122 wrote:On December 03 2012 13:53 tMomiji wrote:On December 03 2012 13:53 zerglingrodeo wrote:
Is there a thread that can serve as an emotional support outlet for all of the terrans who insist on complaining about balance and feel the need to do so in LR threads? That would probably be a good thing. the sad marine fan club was closed the day it opened We don't need one we have the LR threads ^_^
least u have players in the top 8 
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On December 03 2012 13:55 SupLilSon wrote:
Seriously, nothing to even do with balance, people are fucking tired of seeing ZvZ. It's really not that fun or dynamic of a matchup as some people make it out to be...
I am not tired of it...I love it!
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On December 03 2012 13:55 Mataru wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2012 13:48 monkybone wrote:On December 03 2012 13:47 Mataru wrote:On December 03 2012 13:43 TheDwf wrote:On December 03 2012 13:43 Mataru wrote:On December 03 2012 13:40 TheDwf wrote:On December 03 2012 13:38 Mataru wrote:
A couple of cloaked ghosts EMPing those clumped up infestors would have made a big difference... 30 BCs would have made a big difference too; pity games don't always allow things which would make a big difference. Yeah it was impossible for polt to make ghosts in that game. Not enough economy, no time, no Ghosts. Im not talking about like 12 ghosts here, 3-4 could nullify that initial wave of infestors. I don't see how thats impossible at that stage of the game. You know zerg is gonna be making Infestors. 3-4 ghosts delays his 3base timing by so much that there is no way Violet doesn't have broodlords to meet it by the creep front. Ok I get it, you can't make Ghosts unless its 4base+, because skipping 1 marauder to build academy will insta lose the game. Its better to instantly lose 50+ infantry to fungals and have pretty much useless, unsieged tanks attacking broodlings.
you don't even know what a pre hive tech timing is, it's so sad.
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On December 03 2012 13:56 sAsImre wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2012 13:54 tMomiji wrote:On December 03 2012 13:53 Shellshock1122 wrote:On December 03 2012 13:53 tMomiji wrote:On December 03 2012 13:53 zerglingrodeo wrote:
Is there a thread that can serve as an emotional support outlet for all of the terrans who insist on complaining about balance and feel the need to do so in LR threads? That would probably be a good thing. the sad marine fan club was closed the day it opened How about the sad SCV? SCVs are inherently more likable. Marketing, guys, marketing. ; D TL only promoted protoss qq. Tho they really needed it back then.
Honestly I think we still kind of do. One race is always going to be at the bottom, right? Heh...it's always been Protoss.
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On December 03 2012 13:55 Mataru wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2012 13:48 monkybone wrote:On December 03 2012 13:47 Mataru wrote:On December 03 2012 13:43 TheDwf wrote:On December 03 2012 13:43 Mataru wrote:On December 03 2012 13:40 TheDwf wrote:On December 03 2012 13:38 Mataru wrote:
A couple of cloaked ghosts EMPing those clumped up infestors would have made a big difference... 30 BCs would have made a big difference too; pity games don't always allow things which would make a big difference. Yeah it was impossible for polt to make ghosts in that game. Not enough economy, no time, no Ghosts. Im not talking about like 12 ghosts here, 3-4 could nullify that initial wave of infestors. I don't see how thats impossible at that stage of the game. You know zerg is gonna be making Infestors. 3-4 ghosts delays his 3base timing by so much that there is no way Violet doesn't have broodlords to meet it by the creep front. Ok I get it, you can't make Ghosts unless its 4base+, because skipping 1 marauder to build academy will insta lose the game. Its better to instantly lose 50+ infantry to fungals and have pretty much useless, unsieged tanks attacking broodlings.
Even with 3-4 Ghosts, he'll still probably lose 50+ infantry to fungals because 1 EMP = 2 infestors, and BL range is greater than EMP.
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On December 03 2012 13:55 SupLilSon wrote:
Seriously, nothing to even do with balance, people are fucking tired of seeing ZvZ. It's really not that fun or dynamic of a matchup as some people make it out to be...
THIS!!!! I play random, so I'm not biased towards any race, but I'm just tired of seeing so many ZvZs this weekend. As a spectator TvZs are generally a lot more exciting to watch than ZvZs.
There's no balance whine, it's just pure entertainment value.
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On December 03 2012 13:55 SupLilSon wrote:
Seriously, nothing to even do with balance, people are fucking tired of seeing ZvZ. It's really not that fun or dynamic of a matchup as some people make it out to be...
rofl, says you. i still enjoy a good zvz
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On December 03 2012 13:53 sitromit wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2012 13:50 Talack wrote:On December 03 2012 13:49 Chewbacca. wrote:On December 03 2012 13:43 betaman wrote:On December 03 2012 13:37 lowercase wrote:
Zerg gets a maxed, top-tier army, Terran gets upset he cannot beat him with tier two units... So Polt should have got loads of battlecruisers and thors? LMAO I still don't see why T decides to forget that they can get 1-2 ghosts and wreck a group of infestors that are bunched together the vast majority of the time. Because terran players have tried to emp infestors....It's insanely hard to do, insanely hard doesn't even begin to hard it is. It's borderline impossible if your opponent is paying attention. That's why the psionic fungal immunity change was good, you could actually use ghosts to emp infestors. Gumiho showed that Ghosts are still very good vs Z. You can EMP and Snipe Infestors, and Nuke. I really don't get why more Terrans aren't trying his builds. It looked amazing both times he used similar builds and absolutely demolished the Zerg.
yes i wonder why more terrans can't drop in 4 places are once while having an additional 200 apm to micro MMM and emping ghosts... only like 0.1 percent of terrans actually have the apm to use mmm effectively, and even then it's insanely risky as 1 fungal can completely kill you.
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Russian Federation501 Posts
On December 03 2012 13:54 Zebb wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2012 13:53 Fionn wrote:
Polt knew BL/infestor was coming. He was rushing to kill Violet before that. He got caught unsieged, traded, but lost all his tanks and then just tried to do that concave he used against DRG like six months ago on Entombed. Did not work.
Polt's instinct on BL timing was off the whole series.
not really he moved out in time but his 1st wave got crushed.. why everyone forgot that already?! O_O
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I love Kevin's announcing voice.
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F YEAh! I've been waiting for knockey'es annoucment for 4 days
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aren't there presentation professionals who can advise people like kevin on how to exist?
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I love Kevin Knocke :D such a great guy
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