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Laryleprakon
Profile Joined May 2011
New Zealand9496 Posts
December 03 2012 04:57 GMT
#3881
This might be the worst possible time slot for a big finals, late night Sunday US time and super early Monday morning for EU
FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
December 03 2012 04:57 GMT
#3882
It's Vince McJamas >.>
NesTea | Mvp | MC | Leenock | Losira | Gumiho | DRG | Taeja | Jinro | Stephano | Thorzain | Sen | Idra |Polt | Bomber | Symbol | Squirtle | Fantasy | Jaedong | Maru | sOs | Seed | ByuN | ByuL | Neeb| Scarlett | Rogue | IM forever
Necro)Phagist(
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada6660 Posts
December 03 2012 04:57 GMT
#3883
On December 03 2012 13:57 Havik_ wrote:
I love Kevin's announcing voice.

Hes soo good at it. Like Bruce Buffer on steroids!
"Are you talking to me? Because your authority is not recognized in fort kick ass!"" ||Park Jung Suk|| |MC|HerO|HyuN|
bittman
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia8759 Posts
December 03 2012 04:57 GMT
#3884
Wow so much balance whine for Polt mistiming his attack and being notably behind the entire game =\

I mean, I like Polt far more than Violet, but there was nothing even balance-ish in that last game, which is frustrating in itself because Polt did mess up.

But people seem to think that any win with Infestors and BLs demonstrates imbalance haha.

On the actual topic: GO LEENOCK YOU LITTLE MONSTER EWOK GREMLIN OCTOPUS PRINCE OF WAR!!!
Mvp - Leenock - Dongraegu - MC - Gumiho - Keen - Polt - Squirtle - Jjakji - Genius - Seed - Life - sC - Dream || LG-IM - MVP - FXO
Xanderk
Profile Joined November 2010
United States51 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-03 04:58:18
December 03 2012 04:57 GMT
#3885
Is this guy serious announcing the finals like its a pro boxing match? What a joke. He sounds horrible.
templar rage
Profile Joined September 2010
United States2509 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-03 04:58:47
December 03 2012 04:57 GMT
#3886
To be fair, ZvZ isn't that entertaining unless it's two really good players because then it generally degenerates into a massive slugfest game. Otherwise it's just a lot of subtle stuff and not a lot of flashy stuff.
zhurai
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States5660 Posts
December 03 2012 04:58 GMT
#3887
On December 03 2012 13:56 sAsImre wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 03 2012 13:55 Mataru wrote:
On December 03 2012 13:48 monkybone wrote:
On December 03 2012 13:47 Mataru wrote:
On December 03 2012 13:43 TheDwf wrote:
On December 03 2012 13:43 Mataru wrote:
On December 03 2012 13:40 TheDwf wrote:
On December 03 2012 13:38 Mataru wrote:
A couple of cloaked ghosts EMPing those clumped up infestors would have made a big difference...

30 BCs would have made a big difference too; pity games don't always allow things which would make a big difference.


Yeah it was impossible for polt to make ghosts in that game.

Not enough economy, no time, no Ghosts.


Im not talking about like 12 ghosts here, 3-4 could nullify that initial wave of infestors. I don't see how thats impossible at that stage of the game. You know zerg is gonna be making Infestors.


3-4 ghosts delays his 3base timing by so much that there is no way Violet doesn't have broodlords to meet it by the creep front.


Ok I get it, you can't make Ghosts unless its 4base+, because skipping 1 marauder to build academy will insta lose the game. Its better to instantly lose 50+ infantry to fungals and have pretty much useless, unsieged tanks attacking broodlings.


you don't even know what a pre hive tech timing is, it's so sad.

Yeah
Pity him

On December 03 2012 13:57 Day9notdead wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 03 2012 13:54 Zebb wrote:
On December 03 2012 13:53 Fionn wrote:
Polt knew BL/infestor was coming. He was rushing to kill Violet before that. He got caught unsieged, traded, but lost all his tanks and then just tried to do that concave he used against DRG like six months ago on Entombed. Did not work.



Polt's instinct on BL timing was off the whole series.


not really he moved out in time but his 1st wave got crushed.. why everyone forgot that already?! O_O

everyone has short attention spans
Twitter: @zhurai | Site: http://zhurai.com
polishedturd
Profile Joined October 2010
United States505 Posts
December 03 2012 04:58 GMT
#3888
On December 03 2012 13:57 Xanderk wrote:
Is this guy serious announcing the finals like its a pro boxing match? What a joke.


nah bro, you don't get it, its like mainstream and cool and shit, not stupid at all >_>
http://i.imgur.com/EbrnM.jpg
TheDwf
Profile Joined November 2011
France19747 Posts
December 03 2012 04:58 GMT
#3889
On December 03 2012 13:55 Mataru wrote:
Ok I get it, you can't make Ghosts unless its 4base+, because skipping 1 marauder to build academy will insta lose the game. Its better to instantly lose 50+ infantry to fungals and have pretty much useless, unsieged tanks attacking broodlings.

More like skipping 24-32 Marines to have a semi-decent yet still unreliable 6-8 Ghosts count.
zhurai
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States5660 Posts
December 03 2012 04:58 GMT
#3890
On December 03 2012 13:57 templar rage wrote:
To be fair, ZvZ isn't that entertaining unless it's two really good players because then it generally degenerates into a massive slugfest game.

honestly it's only entertaining in the ling bane phase, which the queen's extra range apparently makes less effective anyways
Twitter: @zhurai | Site: http://zhurai.com
CScythe
Profile Joined June 2009
Canada810 Posts
December 03 2012 04:58 GMT
#3891
On December 03 2012 13:57 Xanderk wrote:
Is this guy serious announcing the finals like its a pro boxing match? What a joke. He sounds horrible.

Leave this place and never return.
eviltomahawk
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States11135 Posts
December 03 2012 04:58 GMT
#3892
On December 03 2012 13:57 Laryleprakon wrote:
This might be the worst possible time slot for a big finals, late night Sunday US time and super early Monday morning for EU

It was scheduled to be on earlier but was pushed back after the other games took too long.
ㅇㅅㅌㅅ
mith652
Profile Joined June 2012
Australia151 Posts
December 03 2012 04:58 GMT
#3893
On December 03 2012 13:51 revel8 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 03 2012 13:43 Qwertify wrote:
Ok I am very confused. I play zerg so please don't complain about me whining IMBA, etc.

But, is Violet just really good, or is Zerg just seriously OP a bit? Violet did have good engagements, but there didn't really seem like there was anything that Polt did wrong. He could have spread those tanks out better, but that wouldn't really change the outcome of the game. I also understand the upgrades were a bit different. But still, that all looked very easy.

And now we have a ZvZ finals for the second day in a row. First the GSL, and now the IPL. Not long ago we had Life vs. Leenock. Well whatever. HOTS comes out soon, and the whole meta-game is going to start anew, so .. I guess no real need to worry about any imbalance starting March or so.


I think that Polt actually took his third quite late and Violet took his third very early. Violet's early Roach aggression helped with both of those things. The Zerg took no harrass damage to his economy, Violet played pretty greedy to get his economy up and running. He also spread creep very aggressively giving him map vision over the central area.


The thing is, its so easy for a zerg to make a large amount of roaches like that, not do too much damage, and then pretty much get up to 70 drones while building almost no army and teching. The way injects work you can build either army or economy very fast, and if you do it right there isn't that much of a window to punish the zerg.

Zerg's ability to switch between army or econ makes those kinds of roach attacks very strong (too strong imo) because if the other player doesn't hard counter (which you need scouting to do) the zerg usually ends up at least even. If Polt didnt see all those roaches and cancel blue flame for siege mode Violet could have got a heap of SCV kills, and while Polt needs this massive commitment to hold, Violet has a third base and is droning.
ladyumbra
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Canada1699 Posts
December 03 2012 04:58 GMT
#3894
I love a good ZvZ and the leenocktopus rarely disappoints but I am seriously all zvz'd out right now. Life vs the world drained the last of my enthusiasm with every sweet sweet baneling hit. I'm gonna watch the finals but they better be fucking spectacular at this rate. Is it wrong for me to just want ling bane wars, not for the brevity but because I admire the skill on display during prolong ling/bling fights.
Ansinjunger
Profile Joined November 2010
United States2451 Posts
December 03 2012 04:58 GMT
#3895
I'm not a big fan of this hype yelling, as though it's required at finals or something, but CatzPajamas does it quite well. Does he just go by Kevin Knocke anymore?
FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
December 03 2012 04:58 GMT
#3896
On December 03 2012 13:57 templar rage wrote:
To be fair, ZvZ isn't that entertaining unless it's two really good players because then it generally degenerates into a massive slugfest game.


Good thing these two are really good at it.
NesTea | Mvp | MC | Leenock | Losira | Gumiho | DRG | Taeja | Jinro | Stephano | Thorzain | Sen | Idra |Polt | Bomber | Symbol | Squirtle | Fantasy | Jaedong | Maru | sOs | Seed | ByuN | ByuL | Neeb| Scarlett | Rogue | IM forever
Qwertify
Profile Joined September 2008
United States2531 Posts
December 03 2012 04:58 GMT
#3897
On December 03 2012 13:49 Chewbacca. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 03 2012 13:43 betaman wrote:
On December 03 2012 13:37 lowercase wrote:
Zerg gets a maxed, top-tier army, Terran gets upset he cannot beat him with tier two units...


So Polt should have got loads of battlecruisers and thors? LMAO


I still don't see why T decides to forget that they can get 1-2 ghosts and wreck a group of infestors that are bunched together the vast majority of the time.


yeah, but Ghost Academy, and upgrades cost a bit. It is like 2 tanks a few marines. Even then, if Terran screws up, then Z wins easy, since he is missing those extra units he would have had. If he does land it, then Z isn't ruined, they just have to retreat and reengage later. Z, if they scout the GA, can spread infestors out.

What they should do is make the Raven slightly less powerful, but somewhat cheaper. The Ghost as well. Just a tiny tweak. IE, make ravens cost less gas min, but make sentry gun more costly on energy, and make seeker missile do less damage, a lot less, but make it cheaper to cast. Also make research cheaper. In short they should make these higher tier units more accessible, but slightly less effective. That way it makes the transition a lot easier. I think it makes sense as a full tech tree maxed Terran army is stronger than Z. I mean viks, bcs, ravens, dropships with tanks, rhine, ghosts, nukes, and BF hellions.
CJ Entusman #24
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
December 03 2012 04:58 GMT
#3898
Hooray for Susie!
thuracine
Profile Joined February 2012
United States582 Posts
December 03 2012 04:58 GMT
#3899
On December 03 2012 13:55 beamingrobot wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 03 2012 13:55 thuracine wrote:
On December 03 2012 13:51 ref4 wrote:
On December 03 2012 13:49 LimitSEA wrote:
On December 03 2012 13:47 Mataru wrote:
On December 03 2012 13:43 TheDwf wrote:
On December 03 2012 13:43 Mataru wrote:
On December 03 2012 13:40 TheDwf wrote:
On December 03 2012 13:38 Mataru wrote:
A couple of cloaked ghosts EMPing those clumped up infestors would have made a big difference...

30 BCs would have made a big difference too; pity games don't always allow things which would make a big difference.


Yeah it was impossible for polt to make ghosts in that game.

Not enough economy, no time, no Ghosts.


Im not talking about like 12 ghosts here, 3-4 could nullify that initial wave of infestors. I don't see how thats impossible at that stage of the game. You know zerg is gonna be making Infestors.

Was it also Dwf who said Polt didn't have the economy for ghosts on Daybreak when he was on 4 bases for quite a while? I honestly can't remember.


well it's kinda hard to EMP the infestors, as somebody pointed out before.


so it hard to emp infestors and shouldn't be tried? way to give zerg and easy way out


you must not watch a lot of games. they've tried, and failed.


failed so much that they got nerfed
Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42411 Posts
December 03 2012 04:58 GMT
#3900
Leenock's transformation to Julyzerg is soon complete. MORE WINS NEEDED.
"If I had force-fields in Brood War, I'd never lose." -Bisu
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