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synaptik
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada644 Posts
December 03 2012 04:59 GMT
#3901
is it just me or did susie put on some weight?
dreamseller
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
Australia914 Posts
December 03 2012 04:59 GMT
#3902
On December 03 2012 13:58 polishedturd wrote:
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On December 03 2012 13:57 Xanderk wrote:
Is this guy serious announcing the finals like its a pro boxing match? What a joke.


nah bro, you don't get it, its like mainstream and cool and shit, not stupid at all >_>


i'm pretty sure we're about to see boxing
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Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
December 03 2012 04:59 GMT
#3903
GSL Tour Finals Race Distribution
5
3 (probably 4 since Seed will get the 2nd spot of PartinG for GSL point total)
1
so at least you guys will have more players in the top 8 than Terran at that tournament if it makes you feel better
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ssxsilver
Profile Joined June 2007
United States4409 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-03 05:01:51
December 03 2012 04:59 GMT
#3904
On December 03 2012 13:52 Day9notdead wrote:
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On December 03 2012 13:46 ssxsilver wrote:
On December 03 2012 13:43 Qwertify wrote:
Ok I am very confused. I play zerg so please don't complain about me whining IMBA, etc.

But, is Violet just really good, or is Zerg just seriously OP a bit? Violet did have good engagements, but there didn't really seem like there was anything that Polt did wrong. He could have spread those tanks out better, but that wouldn't really change the outcome of the game. I also understand the upgrades were a bit different. But still, that all looked very easy.

And now we have a ZvZ finals for the second day in a row. First the GSL, and now the IPL. Not long ago we had Life vs. Leenock. Well whatever. HOTS comes out soon, and the whole meta-game is going to start anew, so .. I guess no real need to worry about any imbalance starting March or so.

Violet is good. I'm not even sure there's a significant difference in skill between Violet and Polt. The problem is that composition is just impossible to beat cost-effectively w/o overexposing yourself to a big tech switch...

why are people even commenting on this.. the guy obviously just started playing lol

or even worse he might just be a troll


What in my statement suggests I'm trolling?? The guy asked a question and as both Violet and Polt are among my favorite players, I gave my opinion on how they rank against one another.
lowercase
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada1047 Posts
December 03 2012 04:59 GMT
#3905
On December 03 2012 13:56 playnice wrote:
Don't know about Corruptors, but they should definitely make Ghost a more gas heavy unit.

Ghost used to be 100/200, but it was changed to 150/150 in Patch 6. This was because the balance team felt they were not being built enough in all matchups. They also nerfed EMP range from 3 to 2 in this patch.

Funny, they will patch ghosts so they see more play, but they have never patched the carrier even once...
That is not dead which can eternal lie...
R3DT1D3
Profile Joined January 2012
285 Posts
December 03 2012 04:59 GMT
#3906
All these ZvZ finals make me miss the days of GomTvT. This honestly saps any interest I have in playing SC2 when zerg so easily rolls over the other two races with the same composition every series.
ref4
Profile Joined March 2012
2933 Posts
December 03 2012 04:59 GMT
#3907
On December 03 2012 13:53 fighter2_40 wrote:
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On December 03 2012 13:44 openbox1 wrote:
On December 03 2012 13:43 IshinShishi wrote:
On December 03 2012 13:39 templar rage wrote:
Lol Polt just guesses what Hive tech is going to be, and he guessed wrong in both games 3 and 5.

actually, I don't think it's a guess.


I think its more of "gotta kill before blords are out, gotta kill, GOTTA KILL!"


This is exactly right. Polt probably has had a lot of practice vs zerg trying to get vikings out in time to match the broodlord corruptor infestor but found it was a worthless battle because infestor is just so damn cost efficient that vikings are basically worthless.

Corruptors are the issue, they should not exist in the game and brood lords should come from mutalisks. Without corruptors it'd be split vikings vs infestor and mutas, which can be outranged by thors. It becomes way more strategical.

Also, blizzard please make ghosts cost 50/150 or something more gas than minerals because late game terran has too much gas.

CORRUPTORS KILLING ESPORTS!


IMO this is what I think Polt should have done:

Build supply depot walls
Build Planetary behind depot walls, siege tanks around planetary, and couple of vikings too
Build ghost academy, build nukes, start to drop nuke harass everywhere
build starports, fusion core, start building dem ravens vikings cattlebruisers

if Violet tried to engage with his zerg deathball, Polt pre-empitively nuke to prevent them from engaging
Then after 3/3 air upgrade finished for Terran, Polt moves out for an easy win

That's how I win most of my silver league TvZ games.
alwinuz
Profile Joined September 2011
Netherlands77 Posts
December 03 2012 04:59 GMT
#3908
CatsPajamas is fun to introduce the players!
tMomiji
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States1115 Posts
December 03 2012 04:59 GMT
#3909
On December 03 2012 13:58 zhurai wrote:
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On December 03 2012 13:57 templar rage wrote:
To be fair, ZvZ isn't that entertaining unless it's two really good players because then it generally degenerates into a massive slugfest game.

honestly it's only entertaining in the ling bane phase, which the queen's extra range apparently makes less effective anyways


Ling bane is always entertaining...not really sure why but it is.
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Laryleprakon
Profile Joined May 2011
New Zealand9496 Posts
December 03 2012 04:59 GMT
#3910
Gogo Leenock!!
TheDwf
Profile Joined November 2011
France19747 Posts
December 03 2012 04:59 GMT
#3911
On December 03 2012 13:57 bittman wrote:
Wow so much balance whine for Polt mistiming his attack and being notably behind the entire game =\

Behind after holding a pressure which achieved nothing...
imre
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
France9263 Posts
December 03 2012 04:59 GMT
#3912
On December 03 2012 13:57 tMomiji wrote:
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On December 03 2012 13:56 sAsImre wrote:
On December 03 2012 13:54 tMomiji wrote:
On December 03 2012 13:53 Shellshock1122 wrote:
On December 03 2012 13:53 tMomiji wrote:
On December 03 2012 13:53 zerglingrodeo wrote:
Is there a thread that can serve as an emotional support outlet for all of the terrans who insist on complaining about balance and feel the need to do so in LR threads?


That would probably be a good thing.

the sad marine fan club was closed the day it opened


How about the sad SCV? SCVs are inherently more likable. Marketing, guys, marketing. ; D


TL only promoted protoss qq. Tho they really needed it back then.


Honestly I think we still kind of do. One race is always going to be at the bottom, right? Heh...it's always been Protoss.


yup but you were really really low back then. The problem is that P are getting crushed in TvP nowadays and with the state of 3b/immo sentry vZ...
Zest fanboy.
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18866 Posts
December 03 2012 04:59 GMT
#3913
I am so glad Kevin Knocke got a chance to do some Michael Buffer announcing
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-03 05:00:01
December 03 2012 04:59 GMT
#3914
On December 03 2012 13:59 tMomiji wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 03 2012 13:58 zhurai wrote:
On December 03 2012 13:57 templar rage wrote:
To be fair, ZvZ isn't that entertaining unless it's two really good players because then it generally degenerates into a massive slugfest game.

honestly it's only entertaining in the ling bane phase, which the queen's extra range apparently makes less effective anyways


Ling bane is always entertaining...not really sure why but it is.

because you can micro against it so it's more exciting
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vthree
Profile Joined November 2011
Hong Kong8039 Posts
December 03 2012 04:59 GMT
#3915
On December 03 2012 13:54 templar rage wrote:
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On December 03 2012 13:53 sitromit wrote:
On December 03 2012 13:50 Talack wrote:
On December 03 2012 13:49 Chewbacca. wrote:
On December 03 2012 13:43 betaman wrote:
On December 03 2012 13:37 lowercase wrote:
Zerg gets a maxed, top-tier army, Terran gets upset he cannot beat him with tier two units...


So Polt should have got loads of battlecruisers and thors? LMAO


I still don't see why T decides to forget that they can get 1-2 ghosts and wreck a group of infestors that are bunched together the vast majority of the time.



Because terran players have tried to emp infestors....It's insanely hard to do, insanely hard doesn't even begin to hard it is. It's borderline impossible if your opponent is paying attention.

That's why the psionic fungal immunity change was good, you could actually use ghosts to emp infestors.


Gumiho showed that Ghosts are still very good vs Z. You can EMP and Snipe Infestors, and Nuke. I really don't get why more Terrans aren't trying his builds. It looked amazing both times he used similar builds and absolutely demolished the Zerg.


Because it's hard to do and people are lazy.


Lol, I love when people use 1 game as example. That is like saying that because Nestea and Leenock beat Mvp and Bogus with a Queen roach rush that TvZ is now unwinnable for T since all zergs can just use that rush now and get auto win.
Qwertify
Profile Joined September 2008
United States2531 Posts
December 03 2012 04:59 GMT
#3916
On December 03 2012 13:58 CScythe wrote:
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On December 03 2012 13:57 Xanderk wrote:
Is this guy serious announcing the finals like its a pro boxing match? What a joke. He sounds horrible.

Leave this place and never return.


lol Exactly.

If you can't take SC seriously, why are you here?
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zhurai
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States5660 Posts
December 03 2012 05:00 GMT
#3917
On December 03 2012 13:59 ref4 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 03 2012 13:53 fighter2_40 wrote:
On December 03 2012 13:44 openbox1 wrote:
On December 03 2012 13:43 IshinShishi wrote:
On December 03 2012 13:39 templar rage wrote:
Lol Polt just guesses what Hive tech is going to be, and he guessed wrong in both games 3 and 5.

actually, I don't think it's a guess.


I think its more of "gotta kill before blords are out, gotta kill, GOTTA KILL!"


This is exactly right. Polt probably has had a lot of practice vs zerg trying to get vikings out in time to match the broodlord corruptor infestor but found it was a worthless battle because infestor is just so damn cost efficient that vikings are basically worthless.

Corruptors are the issue, they should not exist in the game and brood lords should come from mutalisks. Without corruptors it'd be split vikings vs infestor and mutas, which can be outranged by thors. It becomes way more strategical.

Also, blizzard please make ghosts cost 50/150 or something more gas than minerals because late game terran has too much gas.

CORRUPTORS KILLING ESPORTS!


IMO this is what I think Polt should have done:

Build supply depot walls
Build Planetary behind depot walls, siege tanks around planetary, and couple of vikings too
Build ghost academy, build nukes, start to drop nuke harass everywhere
build starports, fusion core, start building dem ravens vikings cattlebruisers

if Violet tried to engage with his zerg deathball, Polt pre-empitively nuke to prevent them from engaging
Then after 3/3 air upgrade finished for Terran, Polt moves out for an easy win

That's how I win most of my silver league TvZ games.

ref4 the next ipl10 champion
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beamingrobot
Profile Joined October 2010
United States685 Posts
December 03 2012 05:00 GMT
#3918
On December 03 2012 13:58 thuracine wrote:
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On December 03 2012 13:55 beamingrobot wrote:
On December 03 2012 13:55 thuracine wrote:
On December 03 2012 13:51 ref4 wrote:
On December 03 2012 13:49 LimitSEA wrote:
On December 03 2012 13:47 Mataru wrote:
On December 03 2012 13:43 TheDwf wrote:
On December 03 2012 13:43 Mataru wrote:
On December 03 2012 13:40 TheDwf wrote:
On December 03 2012 13:38 Mataru wrote:
A couple of cloaked ghosts EMPing those clumped up infestors would have made a big difference...

30 BCs would have made a big difference too; pity games don't always allow things which would make a big difference.


Yeah it was impossible for polt to make ghosts in that game.

Not enough economy, no time, no Ghosts.


Im not talking about like 12 ghosts here, 3-4 could nullify that initial wave of infestors. I don't see how thats impossible at that stage of the game. You know zerg is gonna be making Infestors.

Was it also Dwf who said Polt didn't have the economy for ghosts on Daybreak when he was on 4 bases for quite a while? I honestly can't remember.


well it's kinda hard to EMP the infestors, as somebody pointed out before.


so it hard to emp infestors and shouldn't be tried? way to give zerg and easy way out


you must not watch a lot of games. they've tried, and failed.


failed so much that they got nerfed


huh? we're talking about post nerf amirite? or are we gonna just go back to whatever patch that is convenient for you?
SoniC_eu
Profile Joined April 2011
Denmark1008 Posts
December 03 2012 05:00 GMT
#3919
Open a sad marine club!
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imre
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
France9263 Posts
December 03 2012 05:00 GMT
#3920
On December 03 2012 13:59 lowercase wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 03 2012 13:56 playnice wrote:
Don't know about Corruptors, but they should definitely make Ghost a more gas heavy unit.

Ghost used to be 100/200, but it was changed to 150/150 in Patch 6. This was because the balance team felt they were not being built enough in all matchups. They also nerfed EMP range from 3 to 2 in this patch.

Funny, they will patch ghosts so they see more play, but they have never patched the carrier even once...


they killed ghost vZ too.
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