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On December 03 2012 13:48 lichter wrote: The worst part about that awesome Gumiho vs Life game is that some people think Ghosts counter infestors effectively now :o
Nah, zergs has always said that the top Terran players in the world were just too stubborn to use ghosts. That game just gave them 'proof'.
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On December 03 2012 13:49 LimitSEA wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2012 13:47 Mataru wrote:On December 03 2012 13:43 TheDwf wrote:On December 03 2012 13:43 Mataru wrote:On December 03 2012 13:40 TheDwf wrote:On December 03 2012 13:38 Mataru wrote: A couple of cloaked ghosts EMPing those clumped up infestors would have made a big difference... 30 BCs would have made a big difference too; pity games don't always allow things which would make a big difference. Yeah it was impossible for polt to make ghosts in that game. Not enough economy, no time, no Ghosts. Im not talking about like 12 ghosts here, 3-4 could nullify that initial wave of infestors. I don't see how thats impossible at that stage of the game. You know zerg is gonna be making Infestors. Was it also Dwf who said Polt didn't have the economy for ghosts on Daybreak when he was on 4 bases for quite a while? I honestly can't remember.
well it's kinda hard to EMP the infestors, as somebody pointed out before.
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On December 03 2012 13:51 aviator116 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2012 13:50 Elvin wrote: Reminder to all QQ'ers:
Globally, Zerg players don’t have a general advantage, especially at the highest levels of play. - Blizzard
Globally, Zerg players don’t have a general advantage, especially at the highest levels of play. - Blizzard
Globally, Zerg players don’t have a general advantage, especially at the highest levels of play. - Blizzard When the fuck has anything Blizzard said been correct.
Post of the year.
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On December 03 2012 13:45 vthree wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2012 13:43 playnice wrote:On December 03 2012 13:41 polishedturd wrote:On December 03 2012 13:39 negativedge wrote: the best part is everyone screaming about the lack of terrans. meanwhile, no protoss in the top 8. 2 terran, 2 terran in mlg fall 2 terran, 2 zerg in GSL ro4 2 terran, 2 zerg in IPL top4 no one cares about aiur  Sad Zealot fan club is back. Balance. PartinG and HerO winning WCS , WCG, DHW kind of make it a little better for Protoss for now. If a Zerg had won those as well, I think we would have Protoss complaints as well.
I dunno how much winning WCG and WCS means in terms of balance. If you look at the player pool, there would've been something wrong if the Koreans didn't win it. 80%+ of both tournaments were foreigners.
If anything though, there should be a sad Marine club. Feels like every Terran game I watch this weekend, it's always an uphill battle.
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On December 03 2012 13:50 CosmicSpiral wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2012 13:48 lichter wrote: The worst part about that awesome Gumiho vs Life game is that some people think Ghosts counter infestors effectively now :o But it does! When your opener gets countered! And he loses half his infestors for no good reason! And he doesn't protect his bases against drops!
it just allows you to place random nukes and pray. which is like the best option.
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On December 03 2012 13:46 ssxsilver wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2012 13:43 Qwertify wrote: Ok I am very confused. I play zerg so please don't complain about me whining IMBA, etc.
But, is Violet just really good, or is Zerg just seriously OP a bit? Violet did have good engagements, but there didn't really seem like there was anything that Polt did wrong. He could have spread those tanks out better, but that wouldn't really change the outcome of the game. I also understand the upgrades were a bit different. But still, that all looked very easy.
And now we have a ZvZ finals for the second day in a row. First the GSL, and now the IPL. Not long ago we had Life vs. Leenock. Well whatever. HOTS comes out soon, and the whole meta-game is going to start anew, so .. I guess no real need to worry about any imbalance starting March or so. Violet is good. I'm not even sure there's a significant difference in skill between Violet and Polt. The problem is that composition is just impossible to beat cost-effectively w/o overexposing yourself to a big tech switch... why are people even commenting on this.. the guy obviously just started playing lol
or even worse he might just be a troll
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On December 03 2012 13:51 Chewbacca. wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2012 13:50 beamingrobot wrote:On December 03 2012 13:49 Chewbacca. wrote:On December 03 2012 13:43 betaman wrote:On December 03 2012 13:37 lowercase wrote: Zerg gets a maxed, top-tier army, Terran gets upset he cannot beat him with tier two units... So Polt should have got loads of battlecruisers and thors? LMAO I still don't see why T decides to forget that they can get 1-2 ghosts and wreck a group of infestors that are bunched together the vast majority of the time. 1-2 ghosts to wreck a group of infestors? wat. E M P lol EMP hits like 2 infestors.
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Is there a thread that can serve as an emotional support outlet for all of the terrans who insist on complaining about balance and feel the need to do so in LR threads?
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On December 03 2012 13:51 ref4 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2012 13:49 LimitSEA wrote:On December 03 2012 13:47 Mataru wrote:On December 03 2012 13:43 TheDwf wrote:On December 03 2012 13:43 Mataru wrote:On December 03 2012 13:40 TheDwf wrote:On December 03 2012 13:38 Mataru wrote: A couple of cloaked ghosts EMPing those clumped up infestors would have made a big difference... 30 BCs would have made a big difference too; pity games don't always allow things which would make a big difference. Yeah it was impossible for polt to make ghosts in that game. Not enough economy, no time, no Ghosts. Im not talking about like 12 ghosts here, 3-4 could nullify that initial wave of infestors. I don't see how thats impossible at that stage of the game. You know zerg is gonna be making Infestors. Was it also Dwf who said Polt didn't have the economy for ghosts on Daybreak when he was on 4 bases for quite a while? I honestly can't remember. well it's kinda hard to EMP the infestors, as somebody pointed out before. people seem to think emps and hsms are magical hard counters with no draw backs
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Polt knew BL/infestor was coming. He was rushing to kill Violet before that. He got caught unsieged, traded, but lost all his tanks and then just tried to do that concave he used against DRG like six months ago on Entombed. Did not work.
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Anyone else going to watch Leenock own Violet?
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On December 03 2012 13:52 K3Nyy wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2012 13:45 vthree wrote:On December 03 2012 13:43 playnice wrote:On December 03 2012 13:41 polishedturd wrote:On December 03 2012 13:39 negativedge wrote: the best part is everyone screaming about the lack of terrans. meanwhile, no protoss in the top 8. 2 terran, 2 terran in mlg fall 2 terran, 2 zerg in GSL ro4 2 terran, 2 zerg in IPL top4 no one cares about aiur  Sad Zealot fan club is back. Balance. PartinG and HerO winning WCS , WCG, DHW kind of make it a little better for Protoss for now. If a Zerg had won those as well, I think we would have Protoss complaints as well. I dunno how much winning WCG and WCS means in terms of balance. If you look at the player pool, there would've been something wrong if the Koreans didn't win it. 80%+ of both tournaments were foreigners. If anything though, there should be a sad Marine club. Feels like every Terran game I watch this weekend, it's always an uphill battle. Sad Marine Dead Zealot
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On December 03 2012 13:44 openbox1 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2012 13:43 IshinShishi wrote:On December 03 2012 13:39 templar rage wrote: Lol Polt just guesses what Hive tech is going to be, and he guessed wrong in both games 3 and 5. actually, I don't think it's a guess. I think its more of "gotta kill before blords are out, gotta kill, GOTTA KILL!"
This is exactly right. Polt probably has had a lot of practice vs zerg trying to get vikings out in time to match the broodlord corruptor infestor but found it was a worthless battle because infestor is just so damn cost efficient that vikings are basically worthless.
Corruptors are the issue, they should not exist in the game and brood lords should come from mutalisks. Without corruptors it'd be split vikings vs infestor and mutas, which can be outranged by thors. It becomes way more strategical.
Also, blizzard please make ghosts cost 50/150 or something more gas than minerals because late game terran has too much gas.
CORRUPTORS KILLING ESPORTS!
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On December 03 2012 13:53 zerglingrodeo wrote: Is there a thread that can serve as an emotional support outlet for all of the terrans who insist on complaining about balance and feel the need to do so in LR threads?
That would probably be a good thing.
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On December 03 2012 13:50 Talack wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2012 13:49 Chewbacca. wrote:On December 03 2012 13:43 betaman wrote:On December 03 2012 13:37 lowercase wrote: Zerg gets a maxed, top-tier army, Terran gets upset he cannot beat him with tier two units... So Polt should have got loads of battlecruisers and thors? LMAO I still don't see why T decides to forget that they can get 1-2 ghosts and wreck a group of infestors that are bunched together the vast majority of the time. Because terran players have tried to emp infestors....It's insanely hard to do, insanely hard doesn't even begin to hard it is. It's borderline impossible if your opponent is paying attention. That's why the psionic fungal immunity change was good, you could actually use ghosts to emp infestors.
Gumiho showed that Ghosts are still very good vs Z. You can EMP and Snipe Infestors, and Nuke. I really don't get why more Terrans aren't trying his builds. It looked amazing both times he used similar builds and absolutely demolished the Zerg.
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On December 03 2012 13:51 Chewbacca. wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2012 13:50 beamingrobot wrote:On December 03 2012 13:49 Chewbacca. wrote:On December 03 2012 13:43 betaman wrote:On December 03 2012 13:37 lowercase wrote: Zerg gets a maxed, top-tier army, Terran gets upset he cannot beat him with tier two units... So Polt should have got loads of battlecruisers and thors? LMAO I still don't see why T decides to forget that they can get 1-2 ghosts and wreck a group of infestors that are bunched together the vast majority of the time. 1-2 ghosts to wreck a group of infestors? wat. E M P 1-2 ghosts hit 3-6 infestors maximum. so no, they don't wreck it because every good zerg has 10+ infestors. Not to mention, if the Zerg is a competent player, he will have overseers with his army and the broodlords will keep the infestors protected the whole time.
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One million dollar poll for Leenock winning IPL5? Wut. No way. Leenock does have better chances, but not nearly as much better. I'd say 60/40, or even 55/45. Violet is very good, people still underestimate him. And yes, I know Leenock has been on a tear, but streaks happen sometimes, I don't think he is suddenly significantly ultra mega giga better than everyone else.
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On December 03 2012 13:50 beamingrobot wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2012 13:49 Chewbacca. wrote:On December 03 2012 13:43 betaman wrote:On December 03 2012 13:37 lowercase wrote: Zerg gets a maxed, top-tier army, Terran gets upset he cannot beat him with tier two units... So Polt should have got loads of battlecruisers and thors? LMAO I still don't see why T decides to forget that they can get 1-2 ghosts and wreck a group of infestors that are bunched together the vast majority of the time. 1-2 ghosts to wreck a group of infestors? wat.
They do if you nuke them!!!! You just need to make the Zerg player take his hands off the keyboard for 10 seconds.
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On December 03 2012 13:53 tMomiji wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2012 13:53 zerglingrodeo wrote: Is there a thread that can serve as an emotional support outlet for all of the terrans who insist on complaining about balance and feel the need to do so in LR threads? That would probably be a good thing. the sad marine fan club was closed the day it opened
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