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MrKn4rz
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany2153 Posts
November 22 2012 11:47 GMT
#1401
I didnt think it was possible for me to like Wolf even more than I do but I also really dont like Big Bang Theory.
"We don't take kindly to folks who don't take kindly around here..."
Gingerninja
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United Kingdom1339 Posts
November 22 2012 11:47 GMT
#1402
On November 22 2012 20:44 Flonomenalz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 22 2012 20:41 HaXXspetten wrote:
On November 22 2012 20:38 Fjodorov wrote:
On November 22 2012 20:36 HaXXspetten wrote:
On November 22 2012 20:35 Fjodorov wrote:
On November 22 2012 20:34 Dodgin wrote:
On November 22 2012 20:33 Flonomenalz wrote:
On November 22 2012 20:31 thepuppyassassin wrote:
Here's a question. How has Dream's play looked against other players in the CURRENT season? I can understand a player suddenly hitting his stride and realizing his true potential after a long period of terrible results.. But I cringe at the prospect that the best/consistent players can be defeated in such a dominant fashion by inconsistent, relatively much worse players, with preparation alone. There needs to be a stronger filter in place, like macro/economy management mechanics, that reduces the chance for an upset.

The better player today won.

There does not need to be any stronger filter, if you donate all your Templar to a player when going Templar before Colossus, and get out multitasked, you lose. There's nothing else about it.


The problem is no one is better than everyone else enough to make it so they can dominate.


L G - I M

StarTale raped them 5-1 in the IPTL finals tonight, sorry


What the hell is your definition of dominant? You have to win every game from the start to the end of time? Count the GSL championships between the players on that team, and check out this dude Mvp, and tell me its impossible to dominate in sc2.

eh, no we have not had anyone dominate sc2 yet, that's like the definition of a bonjwa, which last time I checked we haven't come very close to getting yet so no (even though Mvp said he might be one had he won his fifth, I definitely would not have seen him as such, maybe if Rain had won GSL/OSL/WCS all during his first season that would have been more promising)

How would you expect any sort of bonjwa to emerge in just 2 years? It's incredible MVP/Nestea even won as much as they did, considering Code S format.


They played a lot less games in the Kespa formats. In SC2 the top players play many more games and still have the same win ratio's as the top BW players had. It's just spread over more tournaments and a shorter period of time.
戦いの中に答えはある
Talionis
Profile Joined November 2010
Scotland4085 Posts
November 22 2012 11:47 GMT
#1403
On November 22 2012 20:45 sharkie wrote:
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On November 22 2012 20:44 Fionn wrote:
Just 4gate, dude. Flash is greediest player in SC2.



I agree. While I applaud Flash for trying to 14cc almost every game I dont understand why his opponents never go for early aggression or early game all ins.

He's been 4gated by multiple players a lot of times, and he always holds it off with ease no matter what he does.

Proxy robo would be nice though.
Severus_
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
759 Posts
November 22 2012 11:47 GMT
#1404
GolemMadness....ninja
Damn i guess since i linked last time everybody has it now.
AlternativeEgo
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden17309 Posts
November 22 2012 11:47 GMT
#1405
Khaldor confirmed hooligan
Mark Munoz looks like Gretorp
synapse
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
China13814 Posts
November 22 2012 11:47 GMT
#1406
khaldor kicking street lamps, why am i not surprised xD
:)
Flonomenalz
Profile Joined May 2011
Nigeria3519 Posts
November 22 2012 11:47 GMT
#1407
On November 22 2012 20:46 Jehct wrote:
Incredibly rigorous schedules, combined with a lack of OSL/team league in the earlier days (where MVP/MC would have unquestionably dominated), means we probably won't see a bonjwa.

And shit, the days of the bonjwa might be over all-together. Even in the later days of BW no one looked dominant (though given more time after his surgery Flash may have). The scene is bigger and competition is fierce so you have 4-5 giants instead of one untouchable player; not a bad thing.

Thank you.
I love crazymoving
Corrosive
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada3741 Posts
November 22 2012 11:48 GMT
#1408
On November 22 2012 20:46 Jehct wrote:
Incredibly rigorous schedules, combined with a lack of OSL/team league in the earlier days (where MVP/MC would have unquestionably dominated), means we probably won't see a bonjwa.

And shit, the days of the bonjwa might be over all-together. Even in the later days of BW no one looked dominant (though given more time after his surgery Flash may have). The scene is bigger and competition is fierce so you have 4-5 giants instead of one untouchable player; not a bad thing.

I never understood why people liked having 1-2 godlike players where you basically didnt even have to watch the tournament to know who was going to be in the finals.
Maruprime.
samurai80
Profile Joined November 2011
Japan4225 Posts
November 22 2012 11:48 GMT
#1409
I wish Brave just 4 gated Flash
zefreak
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States2731 Posts
November 22 2012 11:48 GMT
#1410
Jesus these L/R threads are shit now that its back to SC2 vs BW nonsense.. from regular posters as well.
www.gosu-sc.com - Starcraft News, Strategy and Merchandise
GolemMadness
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada11044 Posts
November 22 2012 11:48 GMT
#1411
On November 22 2012 20:46 bgx wrote:
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On November 22 2012 20:45 GolemMadness wrote:
On November 22 2012 20:43 Gamegene wrote:
The Basic Flash Strategy:

14 CC
???
200 Supply

The Basic Flash Tactics:
200 supply
Attack
Lose Battle
200 supply
Attack
Repeat until victory.


+ Show Spoiler +
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still does not beat kwanro full chart


Kinda inaccurate, though. There's an option that doesn't lead to an all in.
http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=FLABREZU
Malinor
Profile Joined November 2008
Germany4721 Posts
November 22 2012 11:48 GMT
#1412
On November 22 2012 20:46 Hider wrote:
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On November 22 2012 20:44 Malinor wrote:
That is one aspect of SC2 I could never appreciate. You misstep your army ones, and the game basically ends within 20 seconds, with no chance to recover whatsoever. Meh.


I agree generally, though that was more than just a small misstep.


Yeah, I guess you guys are right. That was a huge misstep that probably deserved to lose instantly. I just wish sometimes that when 2 large armies meet, the fight wouldn't be so onesided by positioning alone (on an open field that is, not talking about cliffs or defenders advantage).
"Withstand. Suffer. Live as you must now live. There will, one day, be answer to this." ||| "A life, Jimmy, you know what that is? It's the shit that happens while you're waiting for moments that never come."
bgx
Profile Joined August 2010
Poland6595 Posts
November 22 2012 11:48 GMT
#1413
On November 22 2012 20:46 Jehct wrote:
Incredibly rigorous schedules, combined with a lack of OSL/team league in the earlier days (where MVP/MC would have unquestionably dominated), means we probably won't see a bonjwa.

And shit, the days of the bonjwa might be over all-together. Even in the later days of BW no one looked dominant (though given more time after his surgery Flash may have). The scene is bigger and competition is fierce so you have 4-5 giants instead of one untouchable player; not a bad thing.

But it was due to poor play. In last years of BW its not like competition rised up to the TBLS its rather TBLS started to suck randomly at increasing ratio.
Stork[gm]
vthree
Profile Joined November 2011
Hong Kong8039 Posts
November 22 2012 11:48 GMT
#1414
On November 22 2012 20:46 Sapphire.lux wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 22 2012 20:44 vthree wrote:
Flash is lucky that SC2 is so coin flippy

Yeah, coz he was rubbish in non-coin flippy games like BW.


So when Flash wins, it is skill and not coin flippy and when he loses, it is coin flippy?
Coolhwip
Profile Joined March 2011
Sweden1381 Posts
November 22 2012 11:48 GMT
#1415
On November 22 2012 20:46 thepuppyassassin wrote:
Anyone have a problem with keeping dps the same and doubling the hit points of every unit? Sometimes I feel like even the best players, once they get caught out of position, can't micro fast enough to ever hope to rectify the situation. In a lot of these instances, a third of your stuff is dead before you even have time to think.


That would probably create chaos in ways we could never predict.
crack
Flonomenalz
Profile Joined May 2011
Nigeria3519 Posts
November 22 2012 11:48 GMT
#1416
On November 22 2012 20:48 zefreak wrote:
Jesus these L/R threads are shit now that its back to SC2 vs BW nonsense.. from regular posters as well.

It's really annoying to read.
I love crazymoving
TheBB
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Switzerland5133 Posts
November 22 2012 11:49 GMT
#1417
On November 22 2012 20:46 synapse wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 22 2012 20:45 TheBB wrote:
Flash vs. Brave

Flash wins (80.91%):
      2-1: 80.91%

Brave wins (19.09%):
      2-1: 19.09%

Most likely winner: Flash (80.91%)
Most likely outcome: Flash 2-1 Brave (80.91%)

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details, data source, code

Question-do these stats take into consideration the games that were just won/lost in the series?

They do in the sense that a 2-0 is now impossible for either player, but they do not in the sense that I update the probability of a player winning a given set. It's on the to-do list... sort of. At least on the to-think list.
http://aligulac.com || Barcraft Switzerland! || Zerg best race. || Stats-poster extraordinaire.
Taipoka
Profile Joined November 2012
Brazil1224 Posts
November 22 2012 11:49 GMT
#1418
On November 22 2012 20:46 Hider wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 22 2012 20:44 Malinor wrote:
That is one aspect of SC2 I could never appreciate. You misstep your army ones, and the game basically ends within 20 seconds, with no chance to recover whatsoever. Meh.


I agree generally, though that was more than just a small misstep.


Maybe cause your army should walk holdind each other hands, and a misstep when done
is done with all your army... GG
And in the 7th day, Flash stopped macroing the universe.
sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18398 Posts
November 22 2012 11:49 GMT
#1419
On November 22 2012 20:48 zefreak wrote:
Jesus these L/R threads are shit now that its back to SC2 vs BW nonsense.. from regular posters as well.


It doesn't help that staff is joining these discussions :p
HaXXspetten
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Sweden15718 Posts
November 22 2012 11:49 GMT
#1420
On November 22 2012 20:48 zefreak wrote:
Jesus these L/R threads are shit now that its back to SC2 vs BW nonsense.. from regular posters as well.

LR threads are pretty much never good unless they derail completely
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