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Lukeeze[zR]
Profile Joined February 2006
Switzerland6838 Posts
November 22 2012 19:22 GMT
#1901
That was sick
Terran & Potato Salad.
Hider
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Denmark9405 Posts
November 22 2012 19:22 GMT
#1902
On November 23 2012 04:20 4ZakeN87 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2012 04:12 Hider wrote:
On November 23 2012 04:10 mcc wrote:
On November 23 2012 04:07 Hider wrote:
On November 23 2012 04:06 Valikyr wrote:
On November 23 2012 04:04 travis wrote:
It wasn't that bad by naniwa, im not really sure what he was supposed to do. He was building mass archon because he had 8 million gas. What are you supposed to build there to win?

I'm guessing Naniwa would have to sacrifice workers to in order to get a similar army size. Either that or stretch Thorzain thin by warp prism harassment.

But not sure. I can't believe other terrans aren't building as many ghosts though because that's the counter to the entire protoss race.


No toss should never sack probes. Just build HT's, not archons lol.

HT's make no sense when terran has 300 scans and is using them as you will never win HT vs Ghost battle. Observers also are necessary, but they die constantly. Naniwa did not have bad composition. He did not play smart enough. WP harass, with zealots and DTs against production facilities and using that to get ThorZain to bad position and to have to multitask more.


Sure they do. Have 15 ht's spread out. Maybe he emp's half of them. Doesn't matter as long as you just get off 3-5 storms and you can killl 50%+ of his army. Then you rebuild at home; NOT IN FRONT of THorzains army. That was the biggest mistake he made last game and one of the most stupidest thing I have ever seen.


You are surprised that a protoss player warped in close to a battle? Well I guess it is nice to be surprised but well you think after seing it happen in 10000 protoss game it would start to lose its novelty.


You shuoldn't warp in into a battle you are clearly losing. That's just a waste of ressources.
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18834 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-22 19:24:40
November 22 2012 19:23 GMT
#1903
Thorzain is playing quite well, I'm enjoying the spooning. Both Hero and Naniwa seem to be having trouble effectively engaging him. We'll see if Hero plays a better series.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
openbox1
Profile Joined March 2011
1393 Posts
November 22 2012 19:23 GMT
#1904
oh for the love of god. Thorzain grow a pair.
openbox1
Profile Joined March 2011
1393 Posts
November 22 2012 19:24 GMT
#1905
doesn't matter if thorzain outmines. He'll just defend all day long.
ACrow
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany6583 Posts
November 22 2012 19:24 GMT
#1906
On November 23 2012 04:23 openbox1 wrote:
oh for the love of god. Thorzain grow a pair.

A pair of spoons? Yeah, he got those.
Get off my lawn, young punks
MCDayC
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom14464 Posts
November 22 2012 19:24 GMT
#1907
yay Thorzain beat Nani, gogogog
VERY FRAGILE, LIKE A BABY PANDA EGG
Moxika
Profile Joined August 2011
Norway34 Posts
November 22 2012 19:24 GMT
#1908
happy to see ThorZaIN with a nice medivac count to heal his bioball, I feel it's rare to see him in lategame vs Protoss with more than 4. I think without that, those chargelots warpings would have been devastating.

Cattlecruiser
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States340 Posts
November 22 2012 19:25 GMT
#1909
What an innovating play by Thorzain. It was the first time I've seen a turtle terran win vs warp abusing protoss.

It wouldn't have been possible with the harassment, Terrans may start to abuse mules late game to counteract the larva/warp abuses. The x2 army count maxed out is what gave Thorzain such a cost efficient machine, Terrans in TvP try to maintain an economic lead then crush their opponents through macro in the late game, very similar to PvT in BW. Instead of trying to out macro the opponent, Thorzain found a way to out micro his opponent with a higher max supply army.

Abusing MULEs to get a higher supply count will be the only way for Terran to trade cost efficiently with tier 3 toss and zerg. I hope more Terrans will incorporate abusing MULEs in the late game to increase max army supply to try to out micro the max opponent army. If you think about it, Terrans only need 3 scvs on each gas in the extremely late late game situations, if they have enough orbitals to support minerals with MULEs.
StarVe
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany13591 Posts
November 22 2012 19:25 GMT
#1910
Wow, somehow supplies in Nerchio vs TLO have gone from 40-90 to 120-110 while I didn't watch.
ACrow
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany6583 Posts
November 22 2012 19:25 GMT
#1911
That was some nice control by HerO, gj
Get off my lawn, young punks
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18834 Posts
November 22 2012 19:26 GMT
#1912
Whelp so much for the spoons, Hero with the perfect engagement looks to take the first game of the set.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24420 Posts
November 22 2012 19:26 GMT
#1913
And now HerO wins.
Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
Jtom
Profile Joined January 2011
Ireland1044 Posts
November 22 2012 19:26 GMT
#1914
Fuck, Hero just barely had enough.


T_T
"Daddy, how did the Protossaurs go extinct?" "A giant EMP hit the earth" - Fionn
AlternativeEgo
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden17309 Posts
November 22 2012 19:26 GMT
#1915
On November 23 2012 04:24 ACrow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2012 04:23 openbox1 wrote:
oh for the love of god. Thorzain grow a pair.

A pair of spoons? Yeah, he got those.


And an occasional spork
Mark Munoz looks like Gretorp
iaretehnoob
Profile Joined June 2004
Sweden741 Posts
November 22 2012 19:26 GMT
#1916
shouldn't socke be through already in group 2?
Doublemint
Profile Joined July 2011
Austria8601 Posts
November 22 2012 19:26 GMT
#1917
HerO - so smexy.
StarVe
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany13591 Posts
November 22 2012 19:26 GMT
#1918
On November 23 2012 04:25 Cattlecruiser wrote:
What an innovating play by Thorzain. It was the first time I've seen a turtle terran win vs warp abusing protoss.

It wouldn't have been possible with the harassment, Terrans may start to abuse mules late game to counteract the larva/warp abuses. The x2 army count maxed out is what gave Thorzain such a cost efficient machine, Terrans in TvP try to maintain an economic lead then crush their opponents through macro in the late game, very similar to PvT in BW. Instead of trying to out macro the opponent, Thorzain found a way to out micro his opponent with a higher max supply army.

Abusing MULEs to get a higher supply count will be the only way for Terran to trade cost efficiently with tier 3 toss and zerg. I hope more Terrans will incorporate abusing MULEs in the late game to increase max army supply to try to out micro the max opponent army. If you think about it, Terrans only need 3 scvs on each gas in the extremely late late game situations, if they have enough orbitals to support minerals with MULEs.

Thorzain and EmpireHappy have done this (successfully)for ages.
Martijn
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Netherlands1219 Posts
November 22 2012 19:27 GMT
#1919
Dimaga 1-0 Targa on glhf.tv
http://www.glhf.tv fighting! Former WesternWolves & LowLandLions operations manager.
Hider
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Denmark9405 Posts
November 22 2012 19:27 GMT
#1920
On November 23 2012 04:25 Cattlecruiser wrote:
What an innovating play by Thorzain. It was the first time I've seen a turtle terran win vs warp abusing protoss.

It wouldn't have been possible with the harassment, Terrans may start to abuse mules late game to counteract the larva/warp abuses. The x2 army count maxed out is what gave Thorzain such a cost efficient machine, Terrans in TvP try to maintain an economic lead then crush their opponents through macro in the late game, very similar to PvT in BW. Instead of trying to out macro the opponent, Thorzain found a way to out micro his opponent with a higher max supply army.

Abusing MULEs to get a higher supply count will be the only way for Terran to trade cost efficiently with tier 3 toss and zerg. I hope more Terrans will incorporate abusing MULEs in the late game to increase max army supply to try to out micro the max opponent army. If you think about it, Terrans only need 3 scvs on each gas in the extremely late late game situations, if they have enough orbitals to support minerals with MULEs.


IT actually do surprise that this style isn't used more in KOrea. Too some extent Thorzain has to use this style because his mechanics aren't good enough to play the korean way. However, I would still expect this to be viable for many korean terrans. At least untill it gets figured out.
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