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era909
Profile Joined January 2012
Sweden139 Posts
November 22 2012 19:18 GMT
#1881
SaSe should not be marked as knocked out @ liquipedia. There's still a theoretical chance for him to advance as third place if MaNa and Socke and SaSe beat the BYOC player, while the BYOC player beats Bly. SaSe will have better mapscore than Bly and, depending on results, perhaps better than the BYOC player.

I still believe! ^^
Derrida
Profile Joined March 2011
2885 Posts
November 22 2012 19:18 GMT
#1882
Holy in-game gamma on stream 2
#1 Grubby Fan.
ES.Genie
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany1370 Posts
November 22 2012 19:18 GMT
#1883
On November 23 2012 04:14 Putty wrote:
The real problem is that Thorzain has almost no scvs, so he has like 190 supply of pure army. He can't replenish (no economy), but it was an invincible army. So what nani could have done ? Maybe sacrificing some probes, but i'm not sure...

Maybe not throw away his army like 3 times before?
No Mvp, no care. ~ the King will be back | Shawn Ray, Kevin Levrone, Phil Heath |
StarVe
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany13591 Posts
November 22 2012 19:18 GMT
#1884
Jookto 2-1 TitaN in the BYOC. Fuck this seeding.
TheSir
Profile Joined February 2012
1830 Posts
November 22 2012 19:18 GMT
#1885
On November 23 2012 04:18 MangoMountain wrote:
Where's the ret game?


check OP
krutopatkin
Profile Joined July 2012
Germany2612 Posts
November 22 2012 19:18 GMT
#1886
On November 23 2012 04:16 DarkLordOlli wrote:
Monchi best protoss in europe, has beaten mvp


GoOdy best terran in europe, has beaten Nestea
Lukeeze[zR]
Profile Joined February 2006
Switzerland6838 Posts
November 22 2012 19:19 GMT
#1887
On November 23 2012 04:18 krutopatkin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2012 04:16 DarkLordOlli wrote:
Monchi best protoss in europe, has beaten mvp


GoOdy best terran in europe, has beaten Nestea



and MMA
Terran & Potato Salad.
Hider
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Denmark9447 Posts
November 22 2012 19:19 GMT
#1888
On November 23 2012 04:16 Poopi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2012 04:14 Hider wrote:
On November 23 2012 04:12 Poopi wrote:
On November 23 2012 04:10 Hider wrote:
On November 23 2012 04:07 Supah wrote:
1) He had all that gas because he was making Zealots that got destroyed due to the high amount of Medivacs, and had limited Colossus count due to all the Vikings

2) You don't trade efficiently against that army comp of Terran's

3) Nani killed over 60 SCVs, the end of the game showed Thorzain rolling with 10 SCVs and 6+ Orbitals, harassing buildings takes too long and further they can lift

4) HTs seem like the only alternative and that requires a lot of positional play, something Nani doesn't really like to do, his style has almost always been to slug it out


You nailed it. Naniwa is not a positional player. That's why he lost. He is almost the marineking of foreign toss player. Someone who wants to timing attack and then attack and attack. He isn't a deep strategical/positional thinkiner. Thorzain just outplayed him last game.

Lol you should rewatch MLG MKP games, he knows a shit or two about positionnal play. (See the series vs DRG)


Yeh you kinda miss the deeper meaning about positioning. Watch Ryung --> Positional strategical player. MKP = Great micro player, but just attack attack basically.

Neither Naniwa nor MKP are strategically positoinal players. They are timing attacks/micro players.

Lol NaNiwa and MKP are good strategical positionnal players, the fuck are you saying o_o.
They all are at this level.


Wow? You really don't think about the differences of the players? Have you never noticed that players play differently and have different styles and different strenghts?

It almost surprises me that some viewers have such a limited game understanding.
MangoMountain
Profile Joined June 2011
Norway2044 Posts
November 22 2012 19:19 GMT
#1889
On November 23 2012 04:18 TheSir wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2012 04:18 MangoMountain wrote:
Where's the ret game?


check OP

Thanks, didn't know about that
Heartland
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Sweden24604 Posts
November 22 2012 19:19 GMT
#1890
What was the Nerchio/TLO banter? I just missed it except for the tail end.
m0ck
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
4194 Posts
November 22 2012 19:20 GMT
#1891
On November 23 2012 04:18 StarVe wrote:
Jookto 2-1 TitaN in the BYOC. Fuck this seeding.

I cry
4ZakeN87
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden1071 Posts
November 22 2012 19:20 GMT
#1892
On November 23 2012 04:12 Hider wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2012 04:10 mcc wrote:
On November 23 2012 04:07 Hider wrote:
On November 23 2012 04:06 Valikyr wrote:
On November 23 2012 04:04 travis wrote:
It wasn't that bad by naniwa, im not really sure what he was supposed to do. He was building mass archon because he had 8 million gas. What are you supposed to build there to win?

I'm guessing Naniwa would have to sacrifice workers to in order to get a similar army size. Either that or stretch Thorzain thin by warp prism harassment.

But not sure. I can't believe other terrans aren't building as many ghosts though because that's the counter to the entire protoss race.


No toss should never sack probes. Just build HT's, not archons lol.

HT's make no sense when terran has 300 scans and is using them as you will never win HT vs Ghost battle. Observers also are necessary, but they die constantly. Naniwa did not have bad composition. He did not play smart enough. WP harass, with zealots and DTs against production facilities and using that to get ThorZain to bad position and to have to multitask more.


Sure they do. Have 15 ht's spread out. Maybe he emp's half of them. Doesn't matter as long as you just get off 3-5 storms and you can killl 50%+ of his army. Then you rebuild at home; NOT IN FRONT of THorzains army. That was the biggest mistake he made last game and one of the most stupidest thing I have ever seen.


You are surprised that a protoss player warped in close to a battle? Well I guess it is nice to be surprised but well you think after seing it happen in 10000 protoss game it would start to lose its novelty.
"Everything should be made as simple as possible, but not simpler" Einstein
krutopatkin
Profile Joined July 2012
Germany2612 Posts
November 22 2012 19:20 GMT
#1893
http://i.imgur.com/1Jqel.jpg

de confirmed
TheBB
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Switzerland5133 Posts
November 22 2012 19:20 GMT
#1894
On November 23 2012 04:18 StarVe wrote:
Jookto 2-1 TitaN in the BYOC. Fuck this seeding.

Pretty much. Snute and Naama are in the same bracket.
http://aligulac.com || Barcraft Switzerland! || Zerg best race. || Stats-poster extraordinaire.
ChApFoU
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
France2984 Posts
November 22 2012 19:21 GMT
#1895
This echo is just horrible ><;
"I honestly think that whoever invented toilet paper in a genius" Kang Min
TheSir
Profile Joined February 2012
1830 Posts
November 22 2012 19:21 GMT
#1896
wow this caster thinks Ret comes from Sweden...is this guy new to SC2?
snam
Profile Joined February 2012
Sweden78 Posts
November 22 2012 19:21 GMT
#1897
On November 23 2012 04:20 krutopatkin wrote:
http://i.imgur.com/1Jqel.jpg

de confirmed


I stand corrected.
Killmouse
Profile Joined August 2010
Austria5700 Posts
November 22 2012 19:21 GMT
#1898
da hell is with the sound on stream 2???
yo
krutopatkin
Profile Joined July 2012
Germany2612 Posts
November 22 2012 19:21 GMT
#1899
On November 23 2012 04:20 TheBB wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2012 04:18 StarVe wrote:
Jookto 2-1 TitaN in the BYOC. Fuck this seeding.

Pretty much. Snute and Naama are in the same bracket.


While the second bracket only has Feast and Harstem
Hider
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Denmark9447 Posts
November 22 2012 19:22 GMT
#1900
To those people who think HT's werent the correct choice:

http://da.twitch.tv/lonestarclash/b/339084387

Watch this game from 2:50. Clearly Ht can work if you understand to position them correctly. Remember the key is not to be cost effective vs the terran. Just to kill 50-70% of his army during a battle.
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