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Elite_
Profile Joined June 2012
United States4259 Posts
November 23 2012 07:42 GMT
#3021
Is day 2 anything other than BYOC players completing the groups?
Ryncol
Profile Joined July 2011
United States980 Posts
November 23 2012 08:06 GMT
#3022
On November 23 2012 16:12 dcemuser wrote:
Finding the schedule was actually extremely difficult, lol. Took me around 20 minutes, but I may have been unlucky and kept just missing it.

Anyway, http://open.dreamhack.se/news/2012/11/20/schedule.html. The first match is at 13:00 just like Day 1, so use the time indicator at the top of the OP of this thread to find out when it starts for your time zone (7:00 a.m. EST)


Thank you very much!
ReachTheSky
Profile Joined April 2010
United States3294 Posts
November 23 2012 08:12 GMT
#3023
I don't see dreamhack on the calendar for today or tomorrow or the next couple days. Am i missing something or was it just not posted yet?
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Kreb
Profile Joined September 2010
4834 Posts
November 23 2012 08:15 GMT
#3024
On November 23 2012 16:36 Trashman420 wrote:
I agree with previous sentiments that TLO's 7-5 should never trumph Nerchio's 6-3. Please fix this, Dreamhack.

They probably use a "mini-table" between the three people in the tie-breaker first. Then if its equal they count total map score against all players in the group. And....
TLO: Won 2-1 lost 1-2
Monchi: Won 2-0 lost 1-2
Nerchio: Won 2-1 lost 0-2
As such the table is correct.

Not sure what common practice is regarding this, but its certainly not a new thing. I know I've seen many other use it. It actually makes sense since you beating the last guy in the group 2-1 or 2-0 (possibly when the guy was alrady out)shouldnt have impact unless it has to.
JonIrenicus
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
Italy602 Posts
November 23 2012 08:20 GMT
#3025
--- Nuked ---
schaf
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany1326 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-23 08:36:18
November 23 2012 08:24 GMT
#3026
edit: stupid me, wrong thread
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TheBB
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Switzerland5133 Posts
November 23 2012 08:47 GMT
#3027
I can't find the rulebook for DHW12, but this is from DHS11:
The seed will be decided by won matches, won games and who won the group stage match between possibly tied players.

And from DHW11:
The groups are decided in the following order: points, maps +/-, internal match. In case of a three-way-tie of the previous criteria internal maps +/- will decide.

They have never used internal map score as first tiebreaker.
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TheBB
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Switzerland5133 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-23 08:59:01
November 23 2012 08:57 GMT
#3028
Anyway, here are the current predictions assuming sensible tiebreakers (namely match score, set score, internal matches, rematch, in that order). They seem to indicate that Feast and Nightend are the BYOCers with the best chances.

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Group 1

TaeJa
      Expected score: 4.76-0.24 (sets: 9.66-1.78)
      Probability of achieving top 3: 100.00%
      Most likely place: 1st (98.77%)

TheStC
      Expected score: 2.63-2.37 (sets: 7.46-7.02)
      Probability of achieving top 3: 68.47%
      Most likely place: 2nd (50.94%)

Fraer
      Expected score: 2.63-2.37 (sets: 6.46-6.02)
      Probability of achieving top 3: 65.56%
      Most likely place: 3rd (34.71%)

Stephano
      Expected score: 2.74-2.26 (sets: 5.62-6.82)
      Probability of achieving top 3: 41.33%
      Most likely place: 4th (37.15%)

Snute
      Expected score: 1.71-3.29 (sets: 4.84-7.51)
      Probability of achieving top 3: 24.64%
      Most likely place: 6th (31.31%)

elfi
      Expected score: 0.53-4.47 (sets: 4.30-9.20)
      Probability of achieving top 3: 0.00%
      Most likely place: 6th (68.69%)

details, data source, code

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Detailed placement probabilities

6th 5th 4th 3rd 2nd 1st
TaeJa: 1.23% 98.77%
TheStC: 8.73% 22.81% 17.52% 50.94%
Fraer: 12.68% 21.76% 34.71% 30.85%
Stephano: 21.52% 37.15% 36.11% 5.22%
Snute: 31.31% 25.77% 18.28% 11.65% 11.76% 1.23%
elfi: 68.69% 31.31%

Match score

0-5 1-4 2-3 3-2 4-1 5-0
TaeJa: 24.08% 75.92%
TheStC: 36.92% 63.08%
Fraer: 36.77% 63.23%
Stephano: 26.24% 73.76%
Snute: 11.81% 32.32% 33.95% 17.25% 4.30% 0.36%
elfi: 47.00% 53.00%

Set score

-10 -9 -8 -7 -6 -5 -4 -3 -2 -1 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10
TaeJa: 9.98% 14.10% 29.75% 46.16%
TheStC: 17.08% 19.84% 28.32% 34.76%
Fraer: 16.80% 19.97% 28.49% 34.74%
Stephano: 11.34% 14.90% 29.76% 44.00%
Snute: 0.67% 2.51% 4.07% 4.96% 8.26% 11.06% 10.34% 10.77% 12.32% 9.90% 7.29% 6.36% 4.84% 2.78% 1.75% 1.22% 0.56% 0.20% 0.10% 0.04% 0.01%
elfi: 23.22% 23.78% 26.07% 26.93%


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Group 2

Mana
      Expected score: 4.61-0.39 (sets: 9.43-4.07)
      Probability of achieving top 3: 100.00%
      Most likely place: 1st (71.80%)

Socke
      Expected score: 3.45-1.55 (sets: 8.16-4.33)
      Probability of achieving top 3: 100.00%
      Most likely place: 2nd (57.01%)

Feast
      Expected score: 2.59-2.41 (sets: 6.38-6.07)
      Probability of achieving top 3: 52.77%
      Most likely place: 3rd (24.62%)

Bly
      Expected score: 2.57-2.43 (sets: 5.37-7.13)
      Probability of achieving top 3: 38.62%
      Most likely place: 4th (41.88%)

SaSe
      Expected score: 1.49-3.51 (sets: 6.25-7.26)
      Probability of achieving top 3: 8.62%
      Most likely place: 5th (53.48%)

StarNaN
      Expected score: 0.29-4.71 (sets: 2.87-9.59)
      Probability of achieving top 3: 0.00%
      Most likely place: 6th (93.15%)

details, data source, code

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Detailed placement probabilities

6th 5th 4th 3rd 2nd 1st
Mana: 2.28% 25.93% 71.80%
Socke: 25.88% 57.01% 17.11%
Bly: 19.50% 41.88% 38.62%
SaSe: 53.48% 37.90% 8.62%
Feast: 6.85% 20.17% 20.21% 24.62% 17.06% 11.09%
StarNaN: 93.15% 6.85%

Match score

0-5 1-4 2-3 3-2 4-1 5-0
Mana: 39.00% 61.00%
Socke: 55.00% 45.00%
Bly: 42.61% 57.39%
SaSe: 50.56% 49.44%
Feast: 2.22% 13.51% 30.73% 33.75% 16.61% 3.19%
StarNaN: 71.43% 28.57%

Set score

-10 -9 -8 -7 -6 -5 -4 -3 -2 -1 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10
Mana: 18.00% 21.00% 28.55% 32.45%
Socke: 28.70% 26.30% 23.38% 21.61%
Bly: 20.40% 22.21% 27.36% 30.03%
SaSe: 24.77% 25.79% 24.84% 24.60%
Feast: 0.09% 0.30% 0.72% 1.04% 2.35% 4.22% 5.07% 6.86% 9.79% 10.86% 10.29% 11.33% 11.04% 8.09% 6.19% 5.36% 3.19% 1.49% 1.08% 0.54% 0.09%
StarNaN: 42.06% 29.37% 16.22% 12.35%


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Group 3

monchi
      Expected score: 3.61-1.39 (sets: 8.44-3.05)
      Probability of achieving top 3: 99.58%
      Most likely place: 1st (62.53%)

Nerchio
      Expected score: 3.74-1.26 (sets: 7.63-3.81)
      Probability of achieving top 3: 96.49%
      Most likely place: 2nd (50.37%)

TheLittleOne
      Expected score: 3.58-1.42 (sets: 8.38-6.12)
      Probability of achieving top 3: 81.59%
      Most likely place: 3rd (50.28%)

Bischu
      Expected score: 1.97-3.03 (sets: 5.32-7.10)
      Probability of achieving top 3: 22.34%
      Most likely place: 4th (34.31%)

DIMAGA
      Expected score: 1.54-3.46 (sets: 4.31-7.18)
      Probability of achieving top 3: 0.00%
      Most likely place: 5th (56.62%)

TargA
      Expected score: 0.56-4.44 (sets: 2.34-9.16)
      Probability of achieving top 3: 0.00%
      Most likely place: 6th (83.55%)

details, data source, code

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Detailed placement probabilities

6th 5th 4th 3rd 2nd 1st
monchi: 0.42% 20.86% 16.20% 62.53%
TheLittleOne: 18.41% 50.28% 26.43% 4.87%
Nerchio: 3.51% 18.02% 50.37% 28.10%
Bischu: 16.21% 27.14% 34.31% 10.84% 7.00% 4.50%
DIMAGA: 0.24% 56.62% 43.14%
TargA: 83.55% 16.25% 0.21%

Match score

0-5 1-4 2-3 3-2 4-1 5-0
monchi: 38.53% 61.47%
TheLittleOne: 42.41% 57.59%
Nerchio: 25.54% 74.46%
Bischu: 7.94% 26.41% 35.18% 22.55% 6.97% 0.95%
DIMAGA: 46.05% 53.95%
TargA: 44.50% 55.50%

Set score

-10 -9 -8 -7 -6 -5 -4 -3 -2 -1 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10
monchi: 17.81% 20.72% 28.14% 33.33%
TheLittleOne: 19.83% 22.58% 27.39% 30.20%
Nerchio: 10.96% 14.58% 29.67% 44.78%
Bischu: 0.36% 1.67% 2.58% 3.43% 6.17% 8.88% 9.19% 9.93% 12.34% 11.07% 8.52% 8.19% 6.75% 4.08% 2.86% 2.07% 1.07% 0.43% 0.29% 0.10% 0.02%
DIMAGA: 22.49% 23.56% 25.72% 28.23%
TargA: 21.83% 22.67% 26.64% 28.87%


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Group 4

HerO
      Expected score: 4.73-0.27 (sets: 9.61-1.84)
      Probability of achieving top 3: 100.00%
      Most likely place: 1st (96.99%)

ThorZaIN
      Expected score: 2.49-2.51 (sets: 6.24-6.26)
      Probability of achieving top 3: 69.27%
      Most likely place: 2nd (46.38%)

Naniwa
      Expected score: 2.56-2.44 (sets: 5.35-6.14)
      Probability of achieving top 3: 57.05%
      Most likely place: 3rd (34.59%)

NightEnD
      Expected score: 2.12-2.88 (sets: 5.57-6.85)
      Probability of achieving top 3: 44.57%
      Most likely place: 2nd (25.33%)

fOrGG
      Expected score: 1.67-3.33 (sets: 4.53-6.94)
      Probability of achieving top 3: 19.64%
      Most likely place: 4th (32.47%)

ret
      Expected score: 1.42-3.58 (sets: 5.12-8.37)
      Probability of achieving top 3: 9.48%
      Most likely place: 6th (51.80%)

details, data source, code

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Detailed placement probabilities

6th 5th 4th 3rd 2nd 1st
HerO: 3.01% 96.99%
ThorZaIN: 0.55% 8.86% 21.32% 22.89% 46.38%
Naniwa: 4.77% 21.30% 16.88% 34.59% 22.46%
ret: 51.80% 22.88% 15.84% 8.60% 0.88%
fOrGG: 17.74% 30.15% 32.47% 17.69% 1.95%
NightEnD: 25.15% 16.80% 13.48% 16.23% 25.33% 3.01%

Match score

0-5 1-4 2-3 3-2 4-1 5-0
HerO: 27.35% 72.65%
ThorZaIN: 50.70% 49.30%
Naniwa: 43.71% 56.29%
ret: 57.54% 42.46%
fOrGG: 32.78% 67.22%
NightEnD: 5.81% 23.06% 35.52% 25.56% 8.96% 1.09%

Set score

-10 -9 -8 -7 -6 -5 -4 -3 -2 -1 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10
HerO: 11.76% 15.59% 29.65% 43.00%
ThorZaIN: 25.45% 25.25% 24.78% 24.53%
Naniwa: 20.98% 22.73% 26.72% 29.57%
ret: 30.27% 27.27% 22.29% 20.17%
fOrGG: 14.61% 18.17% 28.93% 38.29%
NightEnD: 0.23% 1.07% 2.01% 2.59% 5.05% 7.83% 8.14% 9.40% 12.27% 11.44% 9.21% 9.22% 7.91% 4.94% 3.52% 2.70% 1.40% 0.55% 0.36% 0.15% 0.02%
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Mosoball
Profile Joined July 2012
Finland686 Posts
November 23 2012 08:59 GMT
#3029
No Day 2 thread yet?
Martijn
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Netherlands1219 Posts
November 23 2012 11:02 GMT
#3030
I was just told I'll be streaming nightend vs hero, feast vs mana, dimaga vs bischu, feast vs socke, snute vs fraer on glhf, in that order. But yeah, we need a d2 thread ;o
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TheBB
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Switzerland5133 Posts
November 23 2012 11:04 GMT
#3031
I'll be busy today, I can't keep an OP up to date.
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opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
November 23 2012 11:04 GMT
#3032
sorry, guys, i can't put much time into LR threads, hope someone can manage the rest of the LRs for IEM and DH!
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kochujang
Profile Joined July 2010
Germany1226 Posts
November 23 2012 11:33 GMT
#3033
opterown is killing Esports!
summerloud
Profile Joined March 2010
Austria1201 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-23 13:57:22
November 23 2012 13:55 GMT
#3034
tuned in too late, can someone tell me if thorzain used his hilariously passive style again against nightend?

also: whats up with the missing stream links?
FnaticPink
Profile Joined May 2011
Denmark324 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-23 17:49:46
November 23 2012 17:49 GMT
#3035
Naniwa: 2-3 - 5-7 -
Nightend: 2-3 - 5-7 -
H2H: Nightend

Why does liquipedia show otherwise? explain to me please
KingwAyz
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom16 Posts
November 23 2012 19:38 GMT
#3036
HerO is going to take this one home!
Elite_
Profile Joined June 2012
United States4259 Posts
November 24 2012 21:56 GMT
#3037
On November 20 2012 22:06 Elite_ wrote:
HerO is going to win DreamHack Winter 2 years in a row.

Called it two days before the tournament started.
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