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Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24422 Posts
November 22 2012 19:12 GMT
#1841
LOL wtf Mr.Bitter
Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France12933 Posts
November 22 2012 19:12 GMT
#1842
On November 23 2012 04:10 Hider wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2012 04:07 Supah wrote:
1) He had all that gas because he was making Zealots that got destroyed due to the high amount of Medivacs, and had limited Colossus count due to all the Vikings

2) You don't trade efficiently against that army comp of Terran's

3) Nani killed over 60 SCVs, the end of the game showed Thorzain rolling with 10 SCVs and 6+ Orbitals, harassing buildings takes too long and further they can lift

4) HTs seem like the only alternative and that requires a lot of positional play, something Nani doesn't really like to do, his style has almost always been to slug it out


You nailed it. Naniwa is not a positional player. That's why he lost. He is almost the marineking of foreign toss player. Someone who wants to timing attack and then attack and attack. He isn't a deep strategical/positional thinkiner. Thorzain just outplayed him last game.

Lol you should rewatch MLG MKP games, he knows a shit or two about positionnal play. (See the series vs DRG)
WriterMaru
Klyberess
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden345 Posts
November 22 2012 19:12 GMT
#1843
On November 23 2012 04:09 Pcgamer72 wrote:
Well, even the Swedish people in this thread seem to disagree about whether it was bm or a compliment.

That's because they disagree on whether he said "du" (you) or "de" (it).
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Dr.Sin
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada1126 Posts
November 22 2012 19:12 GMT
#1844
Awww poor Mr Bitter... We love you anyway.
udgnim
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States8024 Posts
November 22 2012 19:12 GMT
#1845
how Crank dealt with Thorzain's composition

http://www.twitch.tv/lonestarclash/b/339084387

2:47:30
E-Sports is competitive video gaming with a spectator fan base. Do not take the word "Sports" literally.
Derrida
Profile Joined March 2011
2885 Posts
November 22 2012 19:13 GMT
#1846
Mr Bitter, please stop casting as of this moment.
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mikedebo
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada4341 Posts
November 22 2012 19:13 GMT
#1847
holyshit TLO won!
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polpot
Profile Joined April 2012
3002 Posts
November 22 2012 19:13 GMT
#1848
Hilarious fail from MrBitter lol
Qwerty85
Profile Joined June 2012
Croatia5536 Posts
November 22 2012 19:13 GMT
#1849
So what did Naniwa actually say?
LaLuSh
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Sweden2358 Posts
November 22 2012 19:13 GMT
#1850
hahahahahaaha Rotterdam so funny. Bitter confusion hilarious as well.
WeedRa
Profile Joined February 2011
Germany815 Posts
November 22 2012 19:13 GMT
#1851
On November 23 2012 04:13 polpot wrote:
Hilarious fail from MrBitter lol


what happened?
Uni1987
Profile Joined September 2010
Netherlands642 Posts
November 22 2012 19:13 GMT
#1852
What did he say?
.............
BeyondCtrL
Profile Joined March 2010
Sweden642 Posts
November 22 2012 19:13 GMT
#1853
OK, lets say Naniwa warped in zealots into Thorzains base and Tzain had no income or SCV... warping in 20 zealots into Thorzains base would just make Thorzain go across map and kill Nani. His zealots would be attacking building building NOTHING...

It's really tough to say what Nani could have truly done to overcome so many Ghosts. I mean it wasn't as if Tzain actually played better.
jnd
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Czech Republic915 Posts
November 22 2012 19:13 GMT
#1854
You know, if Naniwa sneak one prism in Thorzain's main and warped in 10-20 Zealots instead of suiciding them into the 3rd, that would also either pull Throzain's army out of position or at least split it. Also with that bank he should killed some probes and get more units in his army.

BTW how many feedbacks were there? I don't remember hearing any. Would be better to try some instead of making tons of Archon which have 10 HP after EMPs and do no damage.
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Disarmed
Profile Joined April 2012
Austria721 Posts
November 22 2012 19:13 GMT
#1855
On November 23 2012 04:09 DarkLordOlli wrote:
Btw, can anybody tell me how Monchi beat Nerchio?


game one was failed 7pool into failed roach all in into risky double expand into too little army into good forcefields

didnt see game 2, watched t-bone use ghosts instead
broodmann
Profile Joined December 2011
604 Posts
November 22 2012 19:14 GMT
#1856
Thorzain is just gonna end up losing to every other player in his grp and get eliminated
Sabu113
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States11086 Posts
November 22 2012 19:14 GMT
#1857
On November 23 2012 04:08 Jockmcplop wrote:
I'm no expert i'm only a gold player, but could more storm have been a better idea than so many archons?


That many ghosts. And the way storm works. Theoretically a terran should land every emp. That said if they come in waves they can sneak in. You just need 2-3 money money storms. The thing is thorzain just got the absolute perfect composition. Right amount of medivacs to be an absolute pain in the ass without murdering his army's dps.
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Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States7081 Posts
November 22 2012 19:14 GMT
#1858
On November 23 2012 04:11 FakeDeath wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2012 04:09 travis wrote:
On November 23 2012 04:07 Redox wrote:
On November 23 2012 04:04 travis wrote:
It wasn't that bad by naniwa, im not really sure what he was supposed to do. He was building mass archon because he had 8 million gas. What are you supposed to build there to win?

Have more observers and spread them out. It was pretty obvious all the time that Thorzain was bent on taking out those observers.


yeah it just doesn't seem reasonable given how thorzain has literally infinite scans he can just spam them
i dunno man some things about this game just piss me off
props to thorzain for taking advantage of them i mean that is the point of the game lol


Speed Warp Prism with constant heavy harassment would destroy what Thorzain did.


I don't think so. With Vikings out, WP can get sniped. Also, you need to stay at like 170 supply to warp in, which means even if you do warp in, he can A move you.

Thorzain played VERY well. I think P has an advantage late game, and I think 9/10 P wins in those situations. Props to 'Zain.
krutopatkin
Profile Joined July 2012
Germany2612 Posts
November 22 2012 19:14 GMT
#1859
On November 23 2012 04:13 WeedRa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2012 04:13 polpot wrote:
Hilarious fail from MrBitter lol


what happened?


He thought there was an observer sight range in the game.
Hider
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Denmark9439 Posts
November 22 2012 19:14 GMT
#1860
On November 23 2012 04:12 Poopi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2012 04:10 Hider wrote:
On November 23 2012 04:07 Supah wrote:
1) He had all that gas because he was making Zealots that got destroyed due to the high amount of Medivacs, and had limited Colossus count due to all the Vikings

2) You don't trade efficiently against that army comp of Terran's

3) Nani killed over 60 SCVs, the end of the game showed Thorzain rolling with 10 SCVs and 6+ Orbitals, harassing buildings takes too long and further they can lift

4) HTs seem like the only alternative and that requires a lot of positional play, something Nani doesn't really like to do, his style has almost always been to slug it out


You nailed it. Naniwa is not a positional player. That's why he lost. He is almost the marineking of foreign toss player. Someone who wants to timing attack and then attack and attack. He isn't a deep strategical/positional thinkiner. Thorzain just outplayed him last game.

Lol you should rewatch MLG MKP games, he knows a shit or two about positionnal play. (See the series vs DRG)


Yeh you kinda miss the deeper meaning about positioning. Watch Ryung --> Positional strategical player. MKP = Great micro player, but just attack attack basically.

Neither Naniwa nor MKP are strategically positoinal players. They are timing attacks/micro players.
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